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I am really tempted to try and pick up a used 6820HK and see if it will work in this unit on the stock bios given the recent postings of the overclock results.

 

The GT62 has a bga soldered CPU it's not swappable.

 

The "H" in the CPU names denotes soldered CPUs. Since the second wave of haswell CPUs, all mobile CPUs are soldered.

 

Good to know, thanks for the info. So it sounds like no upgrade options for this unit outside of getting the desktop ver.

 

GPU is upgradable. There is a decent chance whenever the 1100 series come out it may be compatible since these laptops were changed to support higher tdp GPUs. Of course this is all speculation. The CPU won't be the limiting factor for quite some time for gaming.

 

That's been the dream (Clevo), and the promise (MSI), but the reality is we are left with...

Spoiler

 

Bunch of BS games being played, but being as we have limited choices with laptops you're left with either taking it or going desktop. I went desktop a couple years ago but with my job always taking me away from home I actually like gaming on the road more now and spending time with family when home. My desktop doesn't get the workout it deserves.

 

Well that's my issue with ANY laptop.. You have to spend an exorbitant amount for a decent smaller gaming laptop only to find out the new ones are the same price (again) but with 2x faster gpus and no way to upgrade your previous one :/

 

Right and this time it's slightly better for us. You have a desktop class card in your laptop and it should easily last you 2+ years of 1080p gaming. Hell even a 680 desktop card can still play 1080p decently. Considering the 970m/980m area released almost 2 years ago and still going strong. I'd say you're set for quite awhile with a 1060/70/80 card at least at 1080p.

 

Hi guys, I'm from Argentina and I'll be travelling to the States in two weeks. I'm thinking about getting this laptop with a 1070 and 32 gigs of ram and a HTC Vive. Since I'll be spending 2.8k on this setup, am I making the right choice? Thanks

 

Witcher3 tests are in.. Everything on Ultra, even hairworks and other stuff they don't set to ultra I had to manually set to ultra.. 84c GPU/70c CPU. Yikes hottest i've seen the GPU run.

When fans set to full speed, temps drop down to 76c GPU and 56c CPU (fans do a great job on full blast).

But no throttling on CPU or GPU during the auto fan test.

And you don't get quite 60 fps on ultra everything at 1080p lol.. That game hurts the 1070 still.

When I OC the Gpu, you can get a solid 60 fps though.

 

The GPU runs so much cooler than previous GPUs, I remember AMD GPU that used to run like 100+ Celsius when maxed out.

 

Seems 1070 runs a tad warmer, regardless those temps are still great for a near silent profile. The max blast is still very quiet and you could always setup a more aggressive fan curve using the MSI software. Something I'm worried about with the barebones is the lack of software that I had access to with this retail unit.

 

You guys think the cooling will be good enough with the 6700K?
I was thinking unless you really need a unlocked CPU the standard 6700 might be a better fit, it would be much better than the mobile 6700HQ and still give you a little more juice to OC the GPU, it theoretically should run cooler than the K version and looking @Diversion's Withcher test shows the CPU cooling is very well managed on the GT62.
@Talon
Congrats on with the 6700K , will be waiting for your review.

 

Anyone have any positive or negative feedback about Computer Upgrade King? They will do up a GT62VR with 1070, 32GB RAM, 1TB M.2 SSD and 2TB HDD for USD $2021. However, their page says "Coming Soon".

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You can till download it all from MSI, but you may have to poke around for some of it.

Maybe someone can do a screen shot of the installed software out of the box, that should give you a nice shopping list.

IDK how the MSI software will run on the barebones; if it needs to find something in the BIOS to enable support.

Please let us know if you find any of the MSI tools refuse to run.

 

Ohh I remember those days. Great times back then
I went from a GX660 to a GT780DX to finally a GT60-2OD. Now I'm back on desktops. All of my previous notebooks belong to my friends now: GX660 to a programmer, GT780DX to one of my childhood friends (a gamer at heart) and the GT60 to another enthusiast like us

What the new GT62VR needs now is a 120Hz screen and the 6820hk otherwise it seems a pretty good value.

 

Was it the GX660R that had that issue with the motherboard not being able to use the USB plugs? I remember buying that laptop only to RMA it a few days later to get a replacement. Luckily, there weren't any further problems although it did cost me another $50 (sending it from Canada). The replacement served me well for me years, then I switched to the GT60-2OD, which will most likely be replaced by the GT62VR next year.

 

There are actually a LOT of reviews of 16L1 with 6700k and 980m/970m in chinese website. Here is one
To be honest the cpu cooling is not as good as a P750dm but is still ok, under aida64 fpu only cpu stress test which I believe is the most demanding stress test, 16L1 with 6700k cannot maintain a 4.0 ghz since it will hit 98C and underclocking to like 3.8 and after manual set fan to max, it can maintain a 4.0 at about 90C. Meanwhile P750dm can just maintain 4.0 in this stress test at 85C, with a manual max fan the temp will even drop 5-10C BUT the fan is much louder. I said the cooling is still ok because no task will be that demanding like in that stress test. Normal gaming will just hit ~75C for cpu.
The gpu cooling was not that good as well (I mean compare to p750dm) but I believe with the upgraded module for pascal it is better, if you look at GT62VR gpu temp isn't bad.

I am planing to get a 16L1 from eurocom too just because I cannot bear the fan noise of P750dm2 even it is better in many other aspects.

 

And that's why I was asking about the i7 6700 it's rated at 65W so it should rub cooler then the 95W i7 6700K.
My heart says go with the K version but my head says the nope.

 

@Talon
Can't wait for your Youtube video about the barebones GT62. (I'm already implying you will upload a review )

I have a question for actual GT62 owners:

1- Is the 6700HQ and GTX 1060 combo good enough for 2-3 years of 1080p gaming? I heard some lads here saying the 1070 is too much for the less powerful BGA CPU, but how good is it for a 1060?

2- I'm pretty aware the 15 inch model can only have its panel's refresh rate overclocked by 3 to 4 Hz. But what about the resolution? Provided it runs wired with the 1060/1070 all the time, can the resolution be set to 1440p at least? Or anything close?

Thanks in advance.

 

Hmm, had to translate the review to english but it seems under AVX benchmarks it gets pretty hot, to be fair, even my liquid setup on my desktop will hit upper 80s with a AVX benchmark. I'm actually kind of impressed with it's other performance though, it only hits upper 70s on the CPU during gaming. And it looks like he used the stock thermal paste/pads.. I bet a real liquid metal pro job would do nice here.

Still tempted to grab that 980M version off Ebay because it's so cheap to use as another machine.

 

Well it's entirely possible to bring even the 1070 to it's knees at 1080p with Witcher3/GTA5.. So i'm going to say there will be newer graphics functions that will continue to make GPUs look underpowered even at 1080p. If you're okay with forgoing some of the newer crazy graphics functions like Render Scaling, and insane antialiasing methods then sure, it should last a while. The 1060 is a perfect match to "ultra" level 1080p gaming right now, but knowing that even the 1070 can't max out 1080p in GTA5/Witcher3/many others.. you just need to know you'll be lowering settings down the road to keep up.

 

Got an email this morning regarding my order. Was told to expect it to ship Monday or Tuesday next week.

I did Fedex 1-3 business days. Should have it by Thursday when I get home.

 

Wow so fast.. I'm actually thinking about ordering the 980M model from Ebay and swapping my 1070 to it

Should work, can't imagine the 1070 and 980M having a MXM card where the die is in a different place.. And I have a friend that would buy my current unit with 980M swapped in.

 

I'm still holding out hope a 4K model will appear in the US. I'll wait till Q1 if I have to

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This 980m model on Ebay has the 4k G-Sync on it. Swap in my 1070 and i'm golden lol. Also, I think the best desktop CPU to use would be the i7-6700T which is lower TDP at 35watts! Even colder than the 6700hq! Yet i'm not sure of it's clock speeds under 4 core loads.. If it drops to 3.1ghz just like the 6700hq or not .. Hmm.

 

It's official, I ordered the MSI 16L1 Barebones with 980M + 4K screen from Ebay.. Since I have a friend who agreed to pay the full price of the MSI with 980M inside the GT62VR it seemed like a reasonable way for me to swap into a LGA MSI.. Should get here by Friday or next Monday. Now I need to order a CPU for it :/ 6700T is tempting for the low TDP.

 

Darn, I was just replying to an earlier message about this 16L1, and the idea of swapping GPU's, and you already pulled the trigger.

The Pascal GPU's aren't supposed to be backwards compatible.

MSI has told us GT72/GT80 owners that they can't provide us upgrades because it would take a motherboard replacement - along with boosted power and thermal cooling parts - but the backward compatible thing is what I think is a gotcha in this case.

You might spend some time researching the MXM compatibility before swapping the cards around, I'd hate to see you kill off 2 machines like that.

 

What hmscott said. I don't think it will be exactly compatible, and at the very least you will need a new heatsink, maybe for both CPU and GPU.

If you get it working correctly, it will be great, but as it is, I don't think it is a good idea to buy the older 16L1

 

Well crap, I just submitted to cancel the order :/ This sucks! I thought it would just pop right in with no problems.. Wonder if they are only "saying" this to get people to buy new units though.. And it would really work.. To a standardized motherboard, it should know the difference from a 980M to a 1070.. so I don't know what power requirements they are speaking of.. being the 980M shares the same TDP as a 1070.

It looks to me they are using the same Z710 motherboard in the new and old models.. And almost 100% sure MSI is just pulling a fast one on the community but i'll just cancel and order a 1070 unit from Cyberpower/Eurocom instead.. My friend said he'd spend the extra on a 1070 so he'll get a 1070 either way now.

 

Well thanks.. I guess I won't even try to take the chance at this point and cancel it (hopefully the Ebay guy is cool about this).

 

AFAIK noone has tested this, but we were told there were motherboard changes and MXM changes which made them incompatible.

Like I said, do some research and see if it's possible before putting in the order, it might work and it might not.

You also need to take into account BIOS support for CPU's and the 1070. It's possible updating to the newest 16L1 BIOS might work. You might also need to order a new heatplate to match the 1070 layout vs 980m.

If you call the vendor and work out the details with them, get all the right stuff to swap around verified as working with them, and get a guarantee to allow return without restocking fee's should the implementation not actually work, then it's worth a shot.

 

Agreed. It looks as if Eurocom has some sort of retrofitted heatsink. You're best bet is to return your GT62 and just buy a cheaper 16L1 from them if that's what you're wanting. Not worth the risk of warranty and headaches while inside the return window for most stores. I returned my GT62 to microcener this morning citing the space bar issue. Very excited for my 16L1 delivery.

If you look at the pictures for some reason their retrofit isn't painted and is slightly different.

 

I canceled the order and will just leave it that way and order one from Cyberpower/Eurocom with a 1070 already in to not have any issues.. I really don't want to get the 980m one in and find it it won't work because the die is in a different spot on the MXM card or that the BIOS just rejects the 1070, etc. I'm sure the Ebay guy will be pissed but it wasn't an auction, it was a Ebay store front so i'm sure he can just cancel it.

 

Well I have a friend that will buy the GT62VR from me so no need to return it luckily Going to put in a order at Cyberpower or Eurocom soon.

 

Ebay guy was cool and is canceling order.. Thankfully no hard feelings there.

And ordered a 1070 + 6700K + 8gb model from Eurocom! Now @Talon and I will be laptop brothers. I'll be swapping in my 32gb and SSD over from the GT62VR.

 

Get us some REVIEWS. I need it in my veins hahaha

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Is that basically the Tornado F5? It looks alot like the GT62 (still no 4K display option).

 

The one on Ebay with 970m/980m does indeed have a 4K panel. But correct, no 4K option on the Eurocom/CyberpowerPC ones. It's really easy to swap a eDP screen though, i'm not sure why anybody would hold off on purchasing a laptop when it's so easy (and cheap) to replace the screen. 4K screens are about $80 over on laptopscreen.com

And the Tornado F5 is just Eurocom's name for the MSI 16L1. And CyberpowerPC calls it the Fangbook 4.

Even cheaper than I imagined:

Compatibility:
MSI GT62VR 6RE DOMINATOR PRO
Replacement Part Type
LCD Screen Only

4K DISPLAY
Size:
15.6-inch WideScreen (13.6"x7.6")
Resolution:
UHD (3840x2160)
Surface Type:
Glossy
Condition:
New Grade A+
Warranty:
3 Years

$74.99

 

I want a 1070.

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Read previous post, easy and cheap to get 4K

 

I wonder why the 6700HQ draws 12-13~watts just idling..

 

yeah I am actually debating this too. since it has a 83$ difference

 

Aside from undisputed resale value of any Intel i7 K chip value of the 6700K there are other great reasons why to go i7 6700K.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the fully unlocked 6700k can be tweaked to basically mimic any of the CPU options listed including the i5 as hyper threading can be disabled. The K version will offer tweaking and tuning to extract the most performance for the least power and thermals. You can limit things like power draw, tune the multiplier and shave voltage.

If you don't plan on getting the K i5 or i7 I see very little reason to get the barebones. The i7 6700HQ would serve your purposes great. For $83 get the i7.

I'll look into the 6700T more later but my guess is that with such a low TDP. that chip is basically a gimped 6700hq.

 

yeah make sense but if you are underclocking 6700k to a 6700 not k anyway why not save some money? (83$ I can upgrade for ssd maybe)

well I guess I am thinking this because I am on a budget.

 

What is unknown is if gsync will continue to function swapping out panels. I'm patient I'll wait to see if MSI releases something official.

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In fact there's not much point in going with the 6700T. It might run a bit cooler than the 6700HQ but performance should fall in the same range.

If I were to get the notebook I would prefer a 6700K + 1070 + FHD 120Hz G-Sync screen. I would reserve the 4k option for an external 24" screen (or better a 1440p for more performance)

 

Hey guys a heads up about the fan noise in the p775dm3 with desktop cpu (6700k - stock clocks) 56db avg with an under volt of - 150mV and Temps stay at 76c - 80c.

Maybe MSI can work something out to get by with a few db less even with a desktop cpu, but don't expect the quiet system you already have

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If the barebones uses the same fans and fan profiles of the GT62 fan noise should be the same, the only difference should be temps with the desktop CPU.
@Talon
I get what your saying about the CPU being tweaked and mimicking a "reg" 6700 on the K version but the way I'm thinking is that the "reg" i7-6700 should still be far better than the i7-6700HQ, I'm not looking to break any benchmark records or anything but doing a little bit of research it seems the mobile HQ bottlenecks the GTX 1070 a bit for some games, not by much but it's still there so the desktop 6700 should help with that while saving a bit of money and run cooler than the K version.
Saying that after getting your Tornado with a K CPU and we find out temps are fine while still being relatively quiet like the stock GT62 well that changes everything and will look at getting a K CPU also
I also thought for a second or two about getting the 35W T CPU but its basically like getting the same performance of a mobile 6700HQ so it would be a lateral move and not a boost.
Can't wait to see what you find next week and good luck bro!

Question on the Eurocom F5 screen, does anyone know if it's the same screen used on the GT62? If not does anyone have any clue as to how good the Eurocom screen is?
Thanks.