The Official MSI GT62VR Owners and Discussions Lounge

In my understanding of G-Sync, it doesn't turn on at 60hz because at 60hz/60fps you shoudln't be getting any input lag/tearing. Everythign is synced up and should look perfect. The moment you drop below that though you're going to get a tear in the image and thats when G-Sync comes to the rescue to prevent that tear all while minimizing any sort of input lag that would be associated with using something like vsync.

Fast Sync is there for the times you have FPS that are higher than your native refresh rate. On most G-sync monitors this would probably be above 144/120fps as they are mostly high refresh rate gaming monitors. However for us only being 60hz, we are quickly above that refresh rate. That is why you've been experiencing tearing above the range G-Sync can even work. Fast Sync does not introduce input lag like vsync, it also won't limit you to 60hz/60fps like vsync would either.

Fast Sync and G-Sync are there to complement each other and allow you to have a smooth, tear free experience above and below your native refresh rate with little to no input lag. Hope that helps.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/13

 

@ Diversion:
UPDATE for 6820HK:
Core @4GHZ :
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOUCEPlhamyhKob6WZuDia5S6xqiQ

I tried to Reset the unit via Windows Setting Recovery option, per inet articles it should bring pure Windows on, but instead i got full blown MSI customized OS with all the crap preinstalled.Do i need to pull the w10 install bits from MS site?Nothing like puro OS is embedded with system recovery partition?
HP envy had this feature to put puro OS on...

btw. My unit will go to service soon.that cicade noise or leaking steam sound which comes out of CPU fan is driving me crazy...RPM from 1500 and above...

 

Could someone please tell me the max CPU and GPU temps before and after undervolting for the 1070 version? And anything else I should look for before purchasing?

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If you are still within the return period it's easy to ask the vendor to take this one back and get another unit.

It's quicker than RMA'ing a unit with a problem out of the box, let the vendor RMA it and deal with it.

You shouldn't need to wait for a working unit longer than the turn around for shipping

 

This is strange as the main reason tearing appears is when the game exceeds your monitors refresh and you end up drawing partial frames as the monitor can't keep up.

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I'm super interested in fan noise impressions on the barebones (desktop CPU) version with the 1070, on the 16L1 platform. Any owners here?

 

No when you're using the recovery partition it's identical to starting fresh out of the box with MSI it will still have the bloat ware and all the garbage again.

Your CPU fan is definitely not right if it sounds annoying my unit is perfectly silent especially under CPU loads.. only time I start to hear anything is when the GPU kicks up to about 77c+ and it's just a wooshing sound with no high frequencies.

 

@Talon has one on order we will find out soon hopefully!

 

I'm busy most of the day but can test this for you later tonight.

 

Great. Noise is one of the primary factors for me, as I do a lot of audio work without headphones and I really don't want to get into separate machines for home and work. I had high hopes for mobile Pascal, but the reviews have been disappointing so far. The thinner (mobile CPU) Clevos are loud, the thicker (desktop CPU) Clevos seem no different, the 15.6" Asus ROG is noisy as well; right now the GT62VR or its barebones sibling seem to be the only real options if I want it powerful, portable and quiet.

 

I'm home now and ready to test.. Tell me what kind of tests you want.. A gaming test with G-sync on or a Prime95 + Furmark test? Let me know what you had in mind.

Overwatch on EPIC settings.. CPU undervolted = 75c/76c.. Pretty good i'd say here. Well just kidding it reached 79c on certain stages.

Doing a stock voltages now on CPU test..

Overwatch on stock cpu voltages also 79c in Overwatch.. Doesn't seem like undervolting helped much in Overwatch.

Now with a undervolted CPU and Furmark + Prime95 small fpu torture test this is impressive.. 83c GPU/83c CPU.. No throttling on either GPU or CPU!

 

Diversion beat me to the punch, similar results. I put my CPU voltage back to stock, no OC on the GPU and just hit the turbo cool button on the laptop and it kept things running extremely cool after an hour of OW with no throttling.

Even with the default paste this unit cools fine unless you don't use the higher cooling profiles.

 

Yeah not much point in repasting this laptop but I could see a couple more degrees shaved off with some Coollaboratories Liquid Pro maybe.

 

Great, thanks a lot! Those temps seem good! It seems that the GT62VR can handle a 1070 quite well.

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Oh absolutely can handle it.. Technically the GPU would never throttle until it hits 91c anyways because the vBios is locked at a thermal threshold at 91c. That's much higher than most notebooks... Since the absolute highest temps i've seen is 80c with a +240 mhz overclock on the 1070 with fans on AUTO! With fans on full blast it only reaches 69-70c!!..

The GT62VR is an absolute beast in terms of cooling and lack of annoying fan noise (of which even at full blast to me is a low roar).

 

Anybody know if there's a way to make the keyboard backlight turn off when the screen goes to sleep? For example, I have my screen turn off at 10 minutes while on power, but the KB is still illuminated and it looks meh.. Steelseries Engine seems to act like it has a "Sleep" profile but it doesn't work or do anything..

I liked that my Asus had a BIOS setting to set the time out on the keyboard.. This is just a small minor annoyance.. That and i'm still missing the space bar keystroke all the time.. Apparently a pretty known issue since like 2013+! Wtf MSI, should have addressed this.. Or Steelseries if they made the kb :/

 

Thanks for the info. Great stuff.

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And another thing, it's easy to dump the vBIOS.. So if you wanted to undervolt (in the future) the 1070/1060.. That should be pretty easy to do and save quite a bit at temps. But apparently the certificate check to flash a flagged MODIFIED bios hasn't been bypassed yet for Pascal.. I'm sure it will be figured out soon.

 

It's great to see more people get there laptops and temps and fan noise kept in check.
@Talon
I can't wait to see your results with a desktop CPU!
Congrats man.

 

It's great to hear about the low noise level, this will be my next laptop after the GT60-2OD.

Could someone post the partition layout of the SDD/HDD? Would it be possible to migrate the recovery partition to the HDD and use it successfully after completely clearing the SSD?

 

All you have to do when you get the laptop is create a USB recovery drive using MSI's own software and it will restore all the partitions back to the system if you want to later.. Then I destroyed all partitions and started fresh and no problems.

 

Thx, I wonder whether it would be possible to use the USB recovery drive on the HDD instead of the SSD - probably not due to the different sizes.

 

Shouldn't matter, as long as the partitions it's creating fit.

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I believe it lets you pick where to restore to anyways, so you could move them to the HDD if you wanted.

 

@Talon
I'm curious about something: some reviews are saying that the dynaudio speakers on this generation (GT62VR) are not as loud and with not as much bass as the previous one (GT60). Having owned both, what's your opinion on this?

 

That's good, I'd hate to waste space on the SSD but still would like to keep the recovery partition somewhere.

 

I would say the speakers are on par loudness with the GT60, but it is my opinion they sound better/clearer? I guess what I mean is the audio stays very clear even at highest volume settings. TBH I haven't had a GT60 in like 2 years so my memory could be failing me.

 

Slight update on my barebones GT62.. I placed an order online with Eurocom but their checkout process is extremely weird and almost freaked me out a bit. I had to enter my credit card, but I selected PayPal as my checkout option. Thinking it would eventually prompt me or take me to PayPal (it never did). I never heard back from them other than a generic email afterwards. After sort of freaking out for a day I decided something was up and emailed them to cancel the order. I heard back saying my order was already in production which was odd as I was never charged and I never got my PayPal invoice to actually PAY! I emailed them back to inform them of this and was eventually sent over a PayPal invoice, but was also told they would cancel the order.

At this point I am bit hesitant to order from them. Partly because they're sort of a small brand, their company website isn't the most professional and I can't seem to find much on them. Addtionally the whole checkout and order process has weirded me out a bit. I am worried about possible RMA/warranty needs down the road. I still have the PayPal invoice and I am sure I can fire it off over the next day or so after more thought. I was told my order was in process and could be shipped out by Wednesday (at least thats what I was told).

What do you guys think? At this point I am thinking I'll be safer going with the GT62 w/1070 I found at $1699 that is supposed to be in stock at a few places at the end of this month. The 6700HQ is a fine CPU and because gaming is my primary use I highly doubt it will fail me long before the 1070.

 

I've heard the Eurocom is a pretty reputable company by those that have used them in the past but personally I've never bought a laptop from them just a GPU and they shipped it pretty quick with no problems.
I would give them a call and talk to them if I had any reservations and see what they say.
Good luck with your decisions bro!

 

I've owned a Clevo D40EV in the past and it was an Eurocom model. Bought it from a friend who had a good opinion on them. I don't have personal experience unfortunately. Maybe checkout the Clevo forum section?

 

Update after playing with this laptop all weekend, my thoughts:

Pros:
-Awesome speakers (lack bass) though
-Unit is light enough to move room to room
-Screen is gorgeous (no light bleed at all)
-System runs cool after you undervolt and adjust fan profiles (or just use boost cool while gaming)
-Played 95% of what I threw at it max settings with gsync enabled @ 60fps
-Fans are VERY quiet compared to Sager units
-Love the keyboard on this unit
-Love the mousepad on this unit (absolutely 0 mis-clicks or accidents from palm/typing)
-GPU overclocks to desktop levels with ease
-Wireless has good range and throughput (301 mb/s down and 287 mb/s up on 1gb connection)
-Mechanical drive is quiet

Cons:
-Unit looks outdated with a thick screen bezel
-Bottom of unit flexes depending how you hold it
-Not a good "lap" laptop, gets hot after awhile as most gaming ones do
-Battery life on my unit is a joke coming in around 1 1/2 hrs listening to music/idle with brightness around 45-50%
-Keyboard does not light up until you are in windows and I had wonky issues where it wouldn't change colors to my presets
-Wireless takes awhile to reconnect to network after being put in sleep mode
-Unit is thick but price you pay for cooling
-My wife thinks it is ugly (good thing she isn't using it!)

More than likely going to buy a GT73VR this week and end up returning one. I was going to wait on Alienware to see what they offer but I can't imagine it being better than this unit outside of thickness and possibly the 120hz screen.

 

Agree with most of those cons.. of course i'd rather have the body of the GS63VR with the quiet and temps of the GT62VR but we're not there yet technology wise lol. GT62VR is a "fat" little guy.. Def thick but SAME footprint on the table as a GS63VR so at least it's not bigger in length and width for no reason. I'll take the thickness for quiet fans and better cooling any day of the week.

Yeah the bottom flexes in the middle where the vents are.. I found if you carry it by the back area where the hinge to the screen is it seems very strong there. The unit does feel lighter than it looks lol.

I have the same "issues" with the keyboard and more.. I don't like how it isn't lit up until the Steelseries program is started in Windows. Whereas the GS63VR would be lit up red the moment you powered the unit on, seems like they literally carried over the GT60 problems/old tech to the GT62VR in the keyboard area. I'm also constantly missing the space bar (like many other MSI laptops)... I will be taking off the space bar to apply the "paper fix" which is supposed to help even out the pressure of the keyboard to actuate the sensor better. Otherwise, I also wish the keyboard backlight would just turn off when the screen sleeps.. This can be fixed via Steel Series software but they could care less i'm sure.

I don't have any wireless problems coming back from Sleep though. My girlfriend hated the fan noise of the GS63VR and now she says she NEVER hears my GT62VR so that right there seals the deal for me that this laptop is the one for me. I sit next to her on the couch with my laptops so being quiet while she reads/watches tv is important to her

 

I haven't heard any laptop with "real" bass but the sub on the GT62VR adds depth to the speakers, it definitely is noticeable. They don't sound very good until you start tuning the Nahimic(sp) software and turn up the bass and treble a little. They sound a lot like my previous Asus G751 imo.. And the GS63VR is a complete joke where your cell phone has better speakers than that thing.

I've only had a few laptops in my day that had what's I'd consider really good speakers.. the older Samsung's with JBLs were pretty awesome. Or from what i'm hearing, any JBL branded speakers on laptop are really good. MSI Dynaudio isn't as good as the older models.. Apple still makes great laptop speakers for such small units.. etc.

But at the end of the day, the GT62VR speakers are quite nice and pleasant compared to the other crap i've heard.

 

Eurocom is good people, i've talked to Garry over there a lot via e-mail. And i'll page @woodzstack who I believe works for them or knows them closely who can comment on this for you.

I would keep the laptop order and go on with it.. I'd still rather have a 6700K at this point just because

 

My old Toshiba X200 from 2008 with its Harman/Cardon speakers was just fantastic in this regard. Of course, this was a 17" laptop and I haven't seen Harman/Cardons on any other gaming laptop since then.

 

Yeah i've heard about the X200/X300 being real performers.. Too bad no laptop makers truly care about audio quality anymore.. Probably because it adds weight and takes up space.

 

@Diversion

i've got dilemma.i've found you as the right guy for my query as the the former G751JY owner, i think.
why you switched to MSI?
Don't you regret?
Is it truth about about epic G75x serie cooling performance?
As i read the G752vs noise levels are identical with G751 models.
i look that i will probably get option to return my gt82vr tomorrow when i described my fan issues to my reseller.The salesguy said: I don't understand why you had not gone for G752VS we received yesterday.. They have much better cooling and quiet even under the load.

i'd appreciate your POV really.
i love the silent machines, i was tunning my desk till i heard that to barely breath.i know that desk and notebook still cannot be equal in this aspect , especially under the load but i still believe...
thanks.

 

I don't regret selling the G751.. It was a 17" like 10 lb+ laptop.

The fans are extremely quiet on the G751/752.. But the MSI GT62VR's cooling is actually BETTER than those. Under just a CPU load my G751 would still hit high 80s easily and fast.. my GT62VR laughs at CPU temps with about 70c tops... Only the GPU temps are about even between the MSI and the G751.

I think the G751 fan's do win on overall fan noise mostly being nonexistant until a super heavy load then it was an even lower fan noise than the MSI but barely.. For how small the MSI is overall, it's extremely quiet and compares well to the big Asus'.

So after using the about 3 Asus 17" models over 3 years, I require a very silent machine, under idle and load and the MSI is the first "smaller" machine that can actually compete with a Asus G 17" series. It's THAT quiet..

Believe the hype, the GT62VR is the truth. The MSI is pretty much inaudible until you fire up a AAA game. Whereas my two previous GS63VRs would just spin up and be a vacuum cleaner just copying files around in Windows and web browsing.

 

Just got mine,coming from a Lenovo Y510P and the beast is incredible. No lag what so ever and 60FPS on ultra for almost all games. Only downside is that the sound I find is terrible, I think I need to tweak with the utility.

 

Alright boys. The GT62VR barebones has been officially ordered and paid for. I did some thinking this morning about it and for the performance potential the price just cannot be beat. Pictures seem to suggest it has the same chassis aside from the gold plated/painted audio jacks. Not a big deal, but damn those colored ones are ugly lol. Maybe I'll take a sharpie to them.

The thought of having a GTX 1070 and a 6700k in a 15.6" well organized beast is something that has me very excited. This laptop should last me at a minimum of 2 years of very good gaming and still checks the box of being portable. I've carried my GT62 w/1060 for a month now and it's easily one of the best and most portable laptops I've ever owned.

The hype on this laptop is real. I would say to anyone thinking about jumping on this MSI train to not hesitate. You're getting a great laptop in a tidy and mostly (I'm looking at you UBS ports) well thought out package.

The only things MSI should have offered and will do so very soon IMO is a 120hz screen and 6820hk CPU on 1080p G-Sync screen.

I figure I'll upgrade to a 120hz screen if possible in the future. If not I've been fairly happy with my slightly overclocked g-sync display. Using G-Sync and Fast Sync offer a great visual experience.

 

The Audio utility helps a lot.. It does sound kind of hollow without it running.

 

Good stuff man, can't wait to hear about your thoughts and experience with the 6700K version.. Your decision on it will decide if I get one myself or not

And yeah, most of these new eDP laptop screens are interchangeable these days so if a 120hz comes out in 15" flavor, we should be able to use it! Which is nice. Moreover, the reason I want a 6700K/swappable CPU is because then you change the GPU/CPU and keep the unit for longer than a few years if you wanted.. I hate that the 6700HQ feels too similar to the 4700HQ two years ago.. I crave more power :/

 

Definitely. I was actually NOT considering the stock GT62 mainly because of the CPU which is actually a tad slower than my 4720HQ. But the barebones with desktop CPU definitely has my interest in spades.

Looking forward to your impressions. And I agree that a 6820HK option would have been great.

 

@ryzeki it will be like the old GX660 and GT60 days haha.

 

No worries bud. I will be putting her through the paces and checking for any issues I can find. I'm pretty good about finding issues pretty fast so it won't take me long to report back with major flaws. I have a feeling I won't be able to push that CPU too hard on a 230w PSU, but maybe with enough undervolting and power shaving I can get it to a stable clock that satisfies me. They also have a 330w PSU available for purchase. At this moment that doesn't have me very interested because I just don't want to lug around any additional weight.

 

Excited to see your results Talon. If this unit can keep the desktop process cooled accordingly it will be a very tough choice between it and the GT73 with 1080. The portability and lack of noise this unit makes is very hard to deny, although I hear the GT73 is quiet as well. Also curious how bad battery life will be (expecting under 2 hours).

Please tell me you ordered overnight shipping.

 

Yeah that's what I have an issue with.. I had a 4700HQ, a 4710HQ, 4720HQ, and 4870HQ .. Pretty dumb on MSI to go with a 6700HQ when the 6820HQ has the same tray price. Heck, I would have paid an extra $150 for 6820HK :/

6700HQ stock is probably overflowing that MSI was able to purchase 6700HQ CPUs at a massive discount.. I feel like the 6700HQ is good and efficient but underwhelming when you have a 1070 in the system..

 

What I would do is 330watt at the house, 230watt stays in my bag when I need to travel.. Done and done

 

@Talon you'll have to upload some gaming vids once you've got your 1070 all setup. I'm curious to see what differences you notice between the two systems (especially between the 6700HQ and the 6700K). I'm still holding out till the holidays, maybe the 6820HQ/display options will make it's way to the US.

 

Yeah, I still have very positive memories from back then. GX660R was probably the best laptop I bought at the time. Everything worked great, no throttling, great OC room etc. Sound was better too. My GX660R is still alive and well, used by a friend I sold it to.

Same for the GT60, my wife uses it and she is extremely happy with it. Great machines and the perfect balance of power/cooling and performance. The new GT62 seems to bring the best of those days with even better cooling and performance.

Yeah exactly. The 6700HQ should be fine for most games at 60fps, but its definitely a small step back to unleash the full potential of 1070, as well as using it for high refresh rate. Like with the HTC vive etc. I would have loved a stronger CPU as an option, but the best possible scenario is a desktop CPU so I am very excited about it.