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That's exactly why I opted for the 6700K.. Because I was about to go with the 35wattt 6700T but then realized that the K can be undervolted/underclocked to match pretty much anything.

Although being there's like literally NO reviews on the 6700T I believe this may be some sort of golden CPU from Intel which is why there's a small $60 premium when buying it that it has such a strong undervolt from the factory allow for a 35watt TDP at 3.6ghz. However, I can't seem to find the specs on how much turbo clock it can hold when all 4 cores are loaded up.. But over on Passmark the 6700T is 11% faster than the 6700HQ so it must hold slightly more turbo, maybe 3.2-3.3 under load. Which is still an amazing CPU since people have reported max temps of 45C on them. That CPU would still be my favorite to put in our MSI but we MAY be able to underclock/undervolt to match this TDP to Clockspeed.

It still takes 45 watts to run 3.1ghz full load on my 6700HQ so i'm not sure that it's 100% guaranteed to match all SKUs Intel offers but there's some special magic going on with the 6700T. The normal 6700 is literally a cut down K model so we can easily shave off the watts to match that 65watt CPU.

 

Agreed. The screen should be the same screen used on retail. The SPB1 is a greatbscreen and I've used it in the past. One of the brightest and fastest response time IPS laptop screens. The part number is the same as what mine reported on my old Dell.

@Joichiro a clevo system has no bearing on our sound levels. If fans used are the same the barebones will be just as quiet. Even at max fans the gt62vr is very quiet and not annoying. While I agree the system is going to run hotter and OC may be limited it won't affect the DBs of the system.

 

It looks like the fans are the same make as GT62VR so therefore I expect quiet still.. Even at max speed on the GT62VR its not overbearing.

 

Eurocom seems to think my system should be shipping about next Wednesday. The waiting is no fun!

I'm planning on De-lidding and using Coollaboratories Liquid Pro compound between the die and the IHS and on the GPU to help things out..

 

Gotcha - the approved panels are actually in the Nvidia drivers and the driver just checks to make sure the panel model and the lockbit is found on the motherboard for G-Sync. If someone could dump that panel list out (it's probably encrypted though) we would know for sure what panel models to go for to ensure G-sync operation is supported.

 

Yes, the screen is identical to the GT62VR on the Tornado F5/CyberpowerPC models. It's the same LG and Eurocom actually lists the matching panel model number as well on their specs.

LG LP156WF6-SPB1 across all models.

 

Does the GT62VR work fine with external G-Sync monitors?

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Yes, I connected it to my PG279Q 144hz G-Sync and it's fine.

 

Today I got the MSI Barebone of the GT62. I ordered that with the 6700(non K), but they didn't have it in stock so I got the 6700k. Got it from a Swedish reseller.

First impression
Big, but quite light when you lift it. No MSI dragoon logo or anything, just plain black. Keyboard feels good, and a plus is that it doesn't have the spacebar "bug" like GS63VR had. When I have my tumb far right, spacebar will register an space.

It's much quiter than GS63VR for sure, have just tested 3d mark Fire strike with stock everthing, got around 14k Score. The temp was 88C CPU and GPU 80C. But have just started to tweaks the fans.

Did one more test with -150 mV undervolt, and CPU went down to around 76-77C. It's quite warm inside here, around 25-26 C. Will do some more tweaking with the fans, as I think I can get a good ratio between temps and noise. I have the MX-4 paste on CPU/GPU.

Not much bloatware. Got "Silent Option" program, like MSI Dragon Center, when you can set your fans how you like it. Some other programs for keyboard light and stuff.
Coming from GS63VR, this is bigger but damn much quiter. Don't have the high pitch sound either like GS63VR had.

Think I will keep this machine and will test more in the weekend.

 

This is great news as now there will be 3 of us with 6700K models! So can you run Prime95 small FPU torture test and see what your temps do and see if the CPU throttles? Are you seeing if it can actually hold 4.2ghz on all 4 cores? Etc.etc...

You can't really judge the CPU/GPU temps based off 3dmark Firestrike because the tests only run for about 30 seconds at a time with a break in between.. Need something like Unigen Heaven and let it run for 10+ minutes to see where the temps stabilize.

Get HWInfo64 so you can monitor everything! And thanks a lot for posting your thoughts it will definitely be helpful for those trying to decide between the 16L1 and GT62VR.

 

@Diversion did small FPU test, all cores went to 4Ghz and stayed there. No throttling, did the test for 10 mins. CPU temps was 81-84C on all cores. Fan speed was not "Turbo boost", but was 3500 RPM. This is with -160 mV undervolt i Throttlestop.

Fans was loud, but not high pitched.

 

Amazing! Even better results than I expected. This machine continues to amaze me. Great news about the keyboard issue. I am very excited to get my hands on this. This machine will be a keeper for me for a couple of years. It checks all of the boxes I've been looking for aside from the high refresh rate monitor.

 

Well isn't that impressive.. Was hoping it could hold it's turbo clocks but it seems to back off to base blocks which is still fast! Thanks for doing the test! Good stuff.

 

We can fix that when the 15" 120hz comes out

 

The Sharp IGZO models LQ156D1JW04 (matte) and LQ156D1JX01B (glossy) AFAIK do not support G-Sync. The Samsung LTN156FL02-101 does and it's a matte panel. The LG LP156WF6-SPB1 does too but we already know that

Now I need to find out the Alienware 15 panel model

 

Fifflarn - can you put laptop on balanced power profile with screen around 40% and let us know how long battery last surfing net/listening to music or a movie?

 

Somehow Alienware got exclusive access to these panels before they were released as a replacement part.. OR.. Alienwarei fibbed and there really is no 15" 120hz :/

 

Just discovered today that this thread exists :O I've been looking everywhere for discussion on this laptop (I had no idea the Eurocom version was based off an MSI barebones). I purchased the Eurocom version with the 6600k. Even though both the 6700k and 6600k are rated at the same TDP, the 6600k often runs much cooler and draws less power. My dream scenario would be to have the CPU over 4.0 GHz with both GPU/CPU temps under 80C... but we'll see. I should be receiving it sometime next week if anyone is curious about comparing numbers. Cheers!

 

Nice another one joining the ranks. Well if you don't need the extra threads for compute then the 6600k is a good choice. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on your unit when it arrives!

 

Wonder if someone can change the thread title to include MSI 16L1(2) so people can easily find this thread?

 

@ryzeki can we get MSI 62VR and 16L1 added to the thread?

Maybe..

"MSI GT62VR and 16L1 Official Owners Lounge"

 

Let's wait first. Depending on how things pan out, the barebones might have enough audience to warrant its own thread, as it has happened with other barebones. They might look the same, but support (msi drivers etc) are different for both machines and we might need separate threads in the end.

 

Seems the barebones will be a very popular option. I think with the desktop CPU this laptop is going to be very popular.

 

Agreed. When are you joining us?

I look forward to your detailed review.

 

I am tempted.

And so far, I am like 80% inclined to go the barebones route. I am in no hurry right now, so I am waiting a bit to see how the upgrade program will end up working for the GT80 before I get the 16L1.

Desktop CPU and GPU, with magnificent temps and low fan noise... seems like a dream haha

 

Question for you guys - Is it worth getting CLU for the GT62VR since I have heard that MSI QC is better than Clevos QC? If I do get it, will it be able to go 3 years without a repaste? If not, will MSI's stock paste go 3 years without a repaste? @hmscott

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Hey, not trying to offense but are you sure you did the fpu test properly? Here is a trustful review I found and the cpu does hit 97-98C and throttle a bit.
The correct way: when you test, only check stress FPU.
If so, It will be better if you can provide a screenshot.

 

not recommend to be lazy, any paste will need to be replaced at least every year to maintain performance.

 

Not laziness, simply no decent thermal paste available where I'm from. Also, even if I had a decent paste, worried about my lack of knowledge and 0 experience in repasting a laptop.

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oh, well you can definitely leave the original paste there for several years. I just believe it will impact the performance later.
Anything has a first time right?

 

Agreed, just quite nervous to potentially have to practice on a $2000+ machine

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Yes, MSI's paste is tough stuff, it should last more than 3 years

Again, it's possible to re-paste to get lower temps, but unless you are in a temperate environment that puts the CPU / GPU into thermal throttling regularly such that it's making a definite negative performance effect, you shouldn't have a need to re-paste.

As a further finer point, even thermal throttling won't absolutely kill performance.

Quite often when digging deeper into a owner complaining that he was hitting thermal throttling, it turns out that looking at the detailed logging with hwinfo64 during hours of gaming it rarely hit the thermal throttling point.

Usually only when first starting to game - the Asus / MSI fan curve's prefer quiet operation over cooling and initially it's slow to respond to the heat and only kicks in the fans for added cooling when the high temps sustain during constant game play - hitting thermal throttling may kick it off as well.

Then the thermal throttling point isn't hit again unless he went idle and started up again, then it ramped up again and kept things cool.

So, if you look at the details from logging it may show that even if you hit thermal throttling, it's unimportant as it's a brief transient point.

All things to consider *before* pulling a laptop apart and re-pasting it.

It's always sad when I hear someone re-pastes right out of the box before profiling the operation at stock out of the box configuration.

 

Right now I am running on a machine I built in 2006-7, 10 years on the first pasting with Noctua NT-1, CPU's at 33c right now. Another 980x built in 2010 is still running on the original AS5.

If you aren't bumping and shifting the device much over the years, and you do a good job to seal the paste against the air, it can last a long time.

I wouldn't want to get involved in re-pasting a laptop, it seems to need re-re-pasting at anywhere from 3 months - 8 months - 12 months.

If you don't move it around much I guess you would be able to get it to last years as well. But, that's a bit of luck and a lot of skills built up over time, after making lots of "learnings".

If you want to do re-pasting on a laptop, I would start out with desktop pasting, and practice on an older relatively cheap laptop - something that might actually need it, first.

 

Thanks a lot, man. Both your posts were informative and very useful.

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Anyone has any idea when the GT62VR with 1070 releases? HIDevolution has not got a date, CUK just says "Coming Soon", so anyone has a clue when it's out?

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Okey, got a screen shot when I'm doing Stress FPU test in Aida64, this is with -160 mV i ThrottleStop. A bit high on temps but you can tweak the fans even more. Temps inside here is around 24-25.

 

Ehmmmm.....sorry where are you from?it's already out for a few weeks.

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No problem. Thanks for the info.

However, HIDevolution and Computer Upgrade King don't seem to have it in stock.

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With 40% screen brightness and Balanced power profile, From 100% battery to 20%, I got 2 hours and 30 mins of surfing the web and watching youtube(for around 40 mins), with WiFi. Can sure be better with power saving profile.

 

Interestingly, those temps are similar to what the 6700HQ gets at stock. Although, what I think is happening in the case of the 6700HQ is that since the GPU and CPU do not have independent cooling systems (i.e. they share a heatpipe), you can get even higher temps if you stress both the CPU and GPU at the same time. Funnily enough, on the flip side, you could theoretically cool the CPU by undervolting the GPU.

 

About what I was expecting, thanks for checking!

 

I don't know if Aida64 uses AVX for their stability tests.. so if this is a non-AVX test, those temps are really scary because a Prime95 (version 27 and higher) uses AVX with the Small FPU Torture test .. If you give Prime95 (latest version I believe is 28,xx) another go and make sure you're doing the SMALL FPU torture test (first window that pops up when you launch Prime95 and the top choice for Small FPU).

Thanks!

 

Not even close.. My GT62VR with 6700hq gets to about 65C under that same test. But all things considered, the barebones model is doing a great job keeping the 6700K under control.

 

I downloaded prime95 28,9. This is with turbo boost function. If Aida64 telling the thruth it was no throttling. Did the test for 10 minutes.

 

Thanks! I guess -160 mV really help reduce temp a lot, have you tried without undervolting?

 

Thanks bud, those temps are actually really good for a 6700K inside a smallish laptop

 

Yes it really helping, without undervolt you will see throttling.

Yeah looking good, of course the fans are loud at that point. But not high pitched like GS63VR.

The only thing I don't really like with the laptop is the touch pad, kinda wonky on register my finger. Not a huge thing cause I use a mouse like all the time anyway.

 

Have you by chance been able to compare the barebones to the GT62VR on the fan noise front? I expect them to sound the same.. But likely the 6700K equipped one probably spins up more to keep the higher temps down. What does the 6700K idle at? in the 30s?

 

Glad you chimed in because I was scratching my head on his analysis of the 6700hq. Mine rarely see's 70 degrees with undervolt.

I'd say the Talon is comparable to the Clevo 15" desktop p750dm with a 1070. The real question is which is more quiet.

 

People seem to think the MSI is quieter I have no first hand experience.