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Seems my laptop will not be arriving.. First time in at least 10+ years that UPS hasn't delivered when the status said "On Vehicle for Delivery Today".. of course this happens when I'm most excited to receive it :/

And still says "On Vehicle for Delivery Today" but I'm in a apartment complex that is gated so the driver won't be able to get in after 5pm now since the front office is closed.. This sucks. I'll miss delivery tomorrow because i'll be in the office too. Probably won't get it until Friday/Sat.

Edit: Guess it takes whining about it on the forum.. He just pulled up, got the laptop!

 

First things first while I make the USB recovery drive.

I hit the max fan speed hardware button (which is awesome to have btw) and OMG.. At max fan speed it's literally very quiet still.. It's a soothing woosh sound, yes you can hear it but it's not even a little bit annoying.. Seriously and i'm the most anal person about fan noise on laptops.. It sounds like a beefy big 17" or larger laptop.

Update 1: I have the same keyboard issue as Talon.. I tend to hit the space bar on the right side and it's missing space bar keystrokes a lot for me as well.

Update 2: The OEM Windows10 install runs like complete GARBAGE on this thing.. It's so laggy and slow.. Hence why i'm about to perform a fresh Windows 10 install!

 

Hey! If it's possible, could you please look into whether this laptop has the iGPU completely disabled? And can the display refresh rate be overclocked?

 

Good to hear. Bad to hear about the keyboard issue. Seems to be an issue for guys that hit the space bar in that area. It has improved over the last week for me. I think it almost breaks in a bit. Since I don't use the keyboard for typing a lot compared to using it as a mobile gaming machine it bothers me less. If I used it as my daily driver or I typed a lot then it would be a no go. I did read some guys fixed it on thier machines by using a small piece of double sided tape or something and putting it under that corner of the space bar.

 

It is completely disabled (the iGPU). I was only able to overclock the panel to 63hz. Flickers at 64+

 

I'm just missing a lot of keys in general.. Seems you have to hit these keys a bit harder than i'm used to but yeah i'm getting better with less space bar now...

 

@Talon

I ran Prime95 (latest version and ran the Small FPU max heat test) and my CPU throttles back to about 2.7-2.8ghz entire time.. Did you run this test or did you run the Blend test?

If you can run the Small FPU again and see if you're holding 3.1ghz the entire time.. When I track the CPU codes, i'm getting TDP Throttling on the CPU during that test really bad.. pretty much entire time.

TDP throttling usually means the BIOS is locking out the ability for the CPU to receive more power, might need a bios mod to overcome this.

 

Ran a stress test. Not sure what that is but I will run the same test as you vet soon. I'll report back with my findings.

 

For those curious on the 1070 + 6700HQ model, idle about 32c on CPU and 39C on 1070 doing nothing on a fresh install.

Prime95 (which is a unrealistic CPU test as it's purely AVX mixed with other cpu instructions) makes my CPU cores run at 2.7ghz-2.8ghz and temps only reach about 65C-68C tops .. This laptop is amazing at keeping temps down! Not sure why I can't get 3.1ghz on all cores here, definitely some TDP throttling issue going on. Not sure if TDP throttle means Power Limit throttle.. Probably though.

Furmark for the GPU heats it up to about 79-80c but is throttling the core GPU clock down to 1200mhz~ from the max boost clock of 1645mhz. This kind of sucks being over 400mhz difference from a perfect situation. It looks like the GPU is being power throttled.

Furmark + Prime95 going at the same time heats the GPU to 81c and the CPU to up to 89C until the fans ramp up a little more and levels things out around 81C/87C. This is a decent result for ANY laptop and quite normal.. The interesting thing is the CPU is holding higher clocks now at 2.9ghz-3ghz on all 4 cores probably because it's processing the Prime95 cycles at a far slower pace, therefore letting the cores breath more. The upside is that the GPU is still at 1200mhz as well. But the CPU is thermal throttling at this point.

The keyboard and palm rests are slightly warm but nothing to worry about.. very comfortable to use still. Tons of heat shooting out the rear of the notebook.

Also, the fans are impressively QUIET with these crazy serious tests going on.. This is one seriously quiet machine. The HYPE IS REAL FOLKS. Probably the quietest 15" 1070 machine you will ever find (for now).

 

Too bad about the Gpu throttling. But the hype is real haha

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Yeah once I get some games going here in a bit i'll see if the GPU throttles as much.. Furmark really is unrealistic.. I'm about to plot out Unigen Heaven and see if it throttles there.

 

If there's no throttle in long sessions of gaming (2 - 3 hs) then you're golden. Gaming performance is all that matters in the end haha.

Too bad about the throttling on the cpu. However, it's quite common among most of the manufacturers to clock down the cpu when reaches 65c through Bios.

What I'm curious about is if the throttle is really being triggered by temps threshold or if under heavy load on the Gpu / cpu the board cant keep pumping enough juice on the components.

BTW, you did some undervolting on the cpu, right?

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The trick with the high load tests like Prime95 is to tune the CPU to the average boost drop point and undervolt it like crazy for long term compute.

You pick a number, I think I tried 30x first, then went up until 36x started power throttling, then dropped back down to 35x and sure enough it was stable for continuous operation.

The actual stable point seen through hwinfo 64 at 36x was 35.6x, unfortunately we can set that as a multiplier

For example, the 5950HQ and 4xxxHQ series can hold 3.5ghz @ 45w/47w long term, but you need to pre-set the CPU cores multiplier at 35x on all 4 cores to start and then work the undervolt way down.

When you undervolt at 35x to start instead of 40x or stock you can undervolt much further.

Otherwise if you start @ 40x on all 4 cores (or stock settings), the CPU massively under boosts like you have seen, and won't ratchet up again from there.

Give that 35x tuning with undervolt a shot later on when you have worked out all the other fun stuff you do, that lower setting is useful for batch job renders and other long running compute work.

 

Ok the Small FPU test for 10 minutes at stock fan profile while web browsing and listening to spotify.

CPU Temps hovered around 71C with max temps reported as:

CPU0 - 77c
CPU1 - 73c
CPU2 - 78c
CPU3 - 73c

Keep in mind I am in a hotel room now vs my relatively cool house, but it seems my temps are very much the same.

CPU STAYED PEGGED AT 31x on all 4 cores the entire test, and still pegged at 31x on all cores as type this message out. Are you on high perf? Are you on sport mode with dragon center? It's entirely possible the 1070 version is different from the 1060 as far as CPU power available.

My CPU is getting quite the artificial workout lately.

 

Undervolting cpu core, cache, igpu, system agent, and analog to -125mv fixed the throttling in Prime95 and kept my temps around 75c tops.

I'm thinking having the 1070 allows less power to the cpu since Talons 1060 machine won't throttle at all with stock voltage. Or my system is just wonky but it seems to undervolt extremely well and CPU temps are amazing.

Gpu temps are pretty good and started playing with overclocking.. so far I've able to match desktop 1070 graphics scores in 3dmark with +200mhz on the core and +200mhz to memory. I think I can push it more!

Have to sleep now .. more to discuss tomorrow!

 

Making me want that 1070! From what I have researched it's possible we won't ever see the $1799 1070 GT62.

I am also highly considering getting the 6700k 1070 barebones. The tweaker and tinkerer in me demands it lol.

 

coud you explain that in more detail? you can config that kind of settings using Intel XTU? i'm kinda noob on this regards haha

 

I am concerned a 6700k in this frame might have TDP throttling issues too but that's mostly down to the board and bios. But I am convinced now that this frame can handle the heat easily now with these cold temps! Easily know why MSI decided to reuse the chassis again this year.. It's a great design that works.

 

Let's put the myth to rest!

HDMI IS 2.0, proof with 4K @ 60hz:


I have no way of testing Thunderbolt 3.0 (no TB3.0 devices) so i'm not sure.. But it seems that it's not supported.

 

1070 is quite the overclocker!

Was able to add +280mhz to core and +650mhz to the memory. Netted me right at, sometimes a little better than the desktop 1070 counterpart during 3dmark Firestrike and 3dMark11 scores (comparing online to desktop 1070 averages).

Edit: Just kidding, the memory was unstable at 650.. +580mhz seems stable.. no crashes after 30 minutes in Furmark so far.

The 6700HQ is a little bit of a performance bottleneck for the 1070.. Somewhere around 5%.. A 6700K would realize better potential out of the 1070.

 

I suspect it's way more than just a 5% cpu bottleneck.

I saw 10% - 25% on real world usage in cpu intensive games. Such a shame that this machine does not come with an 6820hk. Since it would be pretty much a safe overclocker for mobile chips.

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Yeah I was trying to be optimistic but depending on heavy CPU games, yeah probably way more than 5%.

 

Ok I've done more digging on the barebones desktop CPU GT62.

A 330w power adapter is available for purchase separately.

I asked about the TDP/power limit and was simply told they support overclocking via XTU and that you can tune the CPU with it.

What I really need to know is how much power is available through the BIOS.

Regardless I have no doubt you can get at least 3.5-3.8ghz stable. That would limit the additional cooling needed while helping out that bottleneck.

 

Good news, I would hope MSI wouldn't gimp the Z710 chipset and just allow full voltage/watts/etc. to the cpu.
Are you thinking about skipping the 1070 GT62VR and just ordering a barebones with 1070 now?

I think the unit I have is pretty great, it's perfect in terms of heat management, fan noise is low to none.. Only thing that is bothering me is not knowing how a 6700K would perform in this.. And having the two m2 slots and raid functionality would be very nice to have.

 

The Synaptics Touchpad on the GT62VR is WAYYYYY better than the garbage Elan touchpad on the GS63VR too.. That thing was useless.. This one is very smooth and never jumps away from your finger.. Always tracks your fingers perfect, not too far off from a Mac even.

 

That's the real problem. The chassis may be able to have under control a desktop cpu but without proper software / Bios support then its pointless.

Sure thing, it might be possible to buy a 6700k and clock it down to 3.5ghz - 3.8ghz and undervolt the **** out of that thing, but that won't be any better than a 6820hk with a mild overclock

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Thus, if you're downclocking a 6700K lower than factory, it's pretty pointless to buy the entire unit IMO. Might as well keep a 6700HQ. But we're only speculating that a) the bios may not be able to provide the power and b) it can't cool the cpu properly.

Cooling will be an issue while the GPU is getting hammered and pretty sure this is FACT because my unit will run at 85c gpu/95c CPU when Furmark/Prime95 are going at the same time. If it's having a problem cooling the 6700HQ in this scenario, imagine the 6700K.. It will be thermal throttling almost immediately.

However, where you'd see more gains out of the 6700K is when you're using only CPU sided applications and probably gaming where the loads are more realistic than furmark/prime95 at the same time.

 

You could be streaming a match of SC2 or any other rts / RPG / strategy game that could screw you up haha.

BTW does the steel series keyboard come with any other layout besides the regular English version?

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100% yes. The touchpad is absolutely the best I have ever used on a laptop. Very smooth and accurate. The two finger scrolling is also very good and accurate. The GT62 for me is a home run aside from that space bar issue. Although I am getting used to it and it seems with time it has broken in a bit.

@Prema is requesting some high res photos of the GTX 1060 on front and back of card. Although I am not 100% sure I'm keeping my 1060 unit. May be getting that barebones, or the 1070 $1799 version of it ever arrives.

 

Personally after seeing how the 1070 is being handled in my unit, I think you should get the 1070 and send the 1060 back.. 1070 although not as cold running as your 1060, still well within limits and NEVER throttles.. With my extreme OC, i'm only hitting 82c.. which isn't even high for a laptop.. I was hitting 1750mhz core and 4600mhz memory with stock vBIOS.. pretty impressive.. Although whats interesting is memory OC provides more gains in performance return than clock speed.. So i'm not sure if that's a Pascal thing or maybe my results are wrong.
Edit: Go for a 6700K Barebones imo.. cheaper overall. And perhaps you can get that before I get one and let us know what's up with it.

 

Hi guys.

Diversion and others are writing here how amazingly silent this system is...well, options are the following:

• you should visit doctor because you are about to have the ears problem
• you owned some NB based upon some russian hovercraft
• i am old nervous bastard which is nervous from any unexpected noise ☺

which shift mode and fan setup you do use please?
what machine you owned before please?
thanks.
i am pretty nervous from the tiny right CPU fan whistling.when i manually reduce CPU fan to 0% , it's away.anybody else?
it's definitely not the airflow.. It s higher frequency sound from the cpu fan.i did the same excercise on Gpu fan and that sound is not obvious or not present at all.

 

It could be the fan robbing against the fan housing which causes such noise.
Other than that, a high pitch noise can also be an electronic noise from the MOSFET on the main board, which does not mean that it's defective.
However, if this is an annoyance to you then you should exchange it with vendor.

 

Don't forget to uninstall MSI Gaming Center, or whatever other vendor supplied software is used to get in to Sport/ECO/etc modes, it will interfere with the manual XTU and Afterburner, CPU and GPU, tuning tools.

You don't want two tools loaded trying to set the CPU settings, or two tools loaded trying to set the GPU settings. They will randomly interfere with each other.

Set your Power Plan to High Power, go into Advanced and set the CPU to 100%/100%.

Download Intel Extreme Tuning Utility, install As Administrator, reboot, then open it to set the configuration.

Slide the CPU Core multipliers up so all 4 cores are at the same value. Pick a number under the maximum boost for that CPU. If the maximum boost is 3.8ghz, set all cores to 37x.

Apply that setting change.

Then Save those settings as a Profile, name it, so you can select it later from the growing list of test profiles you create.

The Apply immediately set the new settings, and your CPU is responding accordingly.

You passed the first steps in tuning with XTU

Find your fan controls so you can set 100% fans for benchmarking - you want maximum cooling.

Now run a benchmark that has long computational duration, where your CPU will downclock due to power or thermals.

If you are having thermal throttling, unlikely at these settings, you need to undervolt first to get rid of this underclocking variable.

The Skylake CPU's lately have had a wide range of undervolting, from about -125mv to -200mv, it will take some time to find the lowest stable setting, so for now set it to something like -125mV or even more conservative -100mV, which at this clock rate should be cool enough to stop thermal throttling.

Now run the benchmark and watch hwinfo64 in real-time to see what the average multiplier stabilizes at. That's the target for the XTU setting for the multiplier for long term CPU load / calculation work.

If for example it is 33.5x, then go back into XTU and set the all 4 CPU sliders to 33x, Apply, Save to a Profile name, and come out and try again.

You should now see the CPU stay stable at 3.3ghz for long term calculations, with the CPU package power draw right under 45w - or whatever the programmed TDP max is for your CPU.

You could also try 34x and let the CPU constantly power throttle to keep it at 33.5x.

That's one setting to name for long term use.

Now you can optimize the undervolt for that setting to lower temps to ridiculously low levels

And, you can now go the other direction and try to find the top multipliers your CPU will support for short duration benchmarks, otherwise known as the maximum stable OC for the CPU.

Once you have done that, you can work on finding the optimal gaming settings for the CPU, which will be down from the maximum OC - gaming is somewhere between short term duration benchmarks and long duration computation.

Have fun

 

Amazing guide.. also just a personal preference I love using Throttlestop which a very lightweight utility that does everything XTU does.

 

XTU has been more comfortable for newbies to understand and guide them through, but TS will work too

If you are comfortable with TS and it works for you, the same steps and suggestions apply.

Maybe you can post your equivalent tuning steps using TS for others to see and use?

BTW, after boot you can exit XTU and Afterburner's systray component, to stop the monitoring they do, I do that as I use hwinfo64 as my monitoring tool.

Then XTU and AB use no system resources

 

I use HWInfo64 as well with Throttlestop.. There's a toggle in Throttlestop that will allow your settings to work after you close TB.. I found XTU to be a memory hog and just be weird overall on the system.. I didn't like the system service it used.. TB even when running uses literally no resources too though. I also prefer NvidiaInspector over Afterburner (also very light in comparison). Lol, different strokes! Good stuff either way, all of it gets the job done.

I use AfterBurner for the Riva stats OSD though when I need them.

 

Both of those tools, TS and NVI are great tools, but not something I want to give detailed explanations over and over for

XTU and AB + Rivatuner work fine, and their system load is negligible.

I doubt benchmarking using either set of utilities exited after applying settings will show a marked difference in results.

I do use NVI to do SLI tweaks for apps that don't scale well yet, but it's a fleeting use as once the Nvidia drivers come out with SLI support for the new games - takes them a couple of tries usually, then I don't need NVI any longer.

Some swear by EVGA Precision X as well, then there are some vendor tools that can be used ok too, as long as you don't want complete control over the settings.

I think the newest Asus / MSI tools have a custom section, but they aren't fully fleshed out yet, maybe someday we can rely on those alone

 

How could the CPU be a 5% bottleneck if your 1070 scores for your laptop are better than desktop scores for the 1070?

Those desktops *are* using desktop CPU's, like the 6700k, and your scores are better.

Where's the logic in that?

Are you thinking you could beat those desktop scores even more if you only had a desktop CPU too?

It's not worth the power and thermal issues involved with feeding a desktop CPU in a laptop. The trade off's for a few FPS in games wouldn't be worth it.

Would a 6820HK be more *fun* to have, definitely, another thing to tune and play with.

But, it won't make enough of a difference in game FPS to worry about not having it.

 

I don't use any fan profiles.. The GT62VR does an amazing job at being quiet even when it spins the fans up, it's just a low wooshing sound.. I do hear maybe what might be coil whine but it's very low and not very noticeable under load on the GPU side.

 

It would also completely eliminate the advantages of getting the desktop CPU in the first place

That's what I keep trying to say, matching the performance of the laptop / desktop CPU they will both draw the same amount of power, with the desktop CPU generating more heat while not giving any additional performance.

You don't see the benefit of the desktop CPU unless you push it to it's limits, over the power draw of the laptop CPU, and then you have massive amounts of additional heat to dissipate.

If you want your laptop to run cool, and not have noisy fans, don't get a desktop CPU - if you detune it to quiet it down you are back at the laptop CPU performance levels.

 

Well I suppose just upping the clocks to desktop 1070s pretty much evens them out score wise. You have to compare graphics scores (not the total score 3dmark uses) and i'm on par and exceeding a stock desktop 1070 so all in all, this is a nice powerful laptop with no dealbreakers (yet). Hoping to not come across a dealbreaker though.. Although i'm having second thoughts about ordering a 1070 barebones.. Although they are CHEAPER configured identically :/ That's probably my issue with the whole thing.. You get more for less.

 

What is there besides the desktop CPU that's in the barebones 16L1 vs the MSI GT62VR?

All you are getting is more heat and higher power draw, I don't think in real use you will notice a difference, except for the added fan noise.

How much cheaper? Isn't the standard warranty 1 year, so you have to pay for another year warranty bump to even them out? That should bring the price close to even.

It will be fun to see the side by side comparison

 

You can get the full setup for around $1800, so about $200 cheaper.. Umm you also get two m2 slots with raid capability instead of one. And supposedly TB3.0 but nobody knows for sure.

We really won't know how the 6700K will perform.. There was only like ONE person I found who commented on his 980M + 6700K version MSI 16L1 that said while he was gaming he never saw the CPU going over 65c or something, but he didn't provide any CPU intensive testing specifically..

I find it odd there's not more people around with the 980M + 6700K version since it's been around since earlier this year.

 

Overclocked 1070 in the GT62VR:

Firestrike:
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14866772?

3dmark11:
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11580962

Some beefy scores!

 

Diversion - You jinxed me man, UPS delivered my laptop (tried to anyways) at 12:01pm yesterday and I wasn't home and now today it is 7:50 and they still aren't here. Can you do me a favor and run some battery tests? I am really on the fence between keeping the GT62VR vs. the Titan vs. the Desktop verison of this laptop. I have completely ruled out all the Sagers due to fan noise and temp issues, too much headache with them this time. If the battery life in the GT62 isn't that great, might as well go for the 17.3" with the 120hz screen.

 

Dang! That is crazy. I just pulled the plug on my unit and i'll test the life for you.. Right now it says 4hours34min remaining at 97%.

Update: 50% brightness, got a very high bitrate MKV playing and just surfing the web like a mad man.. Says 3hours30~minutes left.

Update 2 : 56% remaining, says 2.5 hours left

Update 3: It's still on but it's about 10% left.. I'm plugging it in.. Looks like around 3 hours to be expected.. I think my clean Windows 10 install helped give another 30~ish minutes to the test.. Pretty good I'd say for a laptop with a fulltime 1070 running!

 

I'm noticing my 6700HQ will not just use 1 thread at max speed of 3.5ghz.. It will only do about 3.3~ghz with one thread for a CPU benchmark.. But the quad core 3.1ghz is achievable easily. My single threaded benches are lower than others that have been reviewed on Notebookcheck so i'm not sure what's going on. Probably a BIOS problem on the unit.. But when I kick off a single thread, all 4 cores fire up to the same speed for some reason :/

 

You are awesome Diversion, ty for battery test. I set mine up and ran overwatch for 30 min, 68 max cpu temp (-120mv) and I used your 1070 OC and temps were 78-80c. Did you happen to repaste your unit? Fans on this thing are low, even in fan turbo mode I clearly heard the game over the fans. I am with you that I think this unit can handle a desktop cpu if undervolted, not sure if the heat/battery life tradeoff is worth it though. I think at least 2-3 degrees can be shaved off with a different thermal paste.

What are you using to oc your cpu? All my multipliers are locked out in xtu. Any issues with drivers or keyboard software with the fresh install?

 

I'm undervolting the crap out of the CPU.. -150 and -125 on everything else except analog can only do -80.. Which helps GPU temps a lot as well because they share a pipe. I'm not repasted.. Everything stock still. Go back and undervolt your cache, system agent and go a full -1 volt on the IGP since it's not used but I wonder if it's still causing heat.

I'll try Overwatch and see what my temps are like.. Are you using G-Sync? There's no point in running games on this thing without g-sync on which will cap your FPS to 60 should keep the GPU temps down.

I only saw a max of 83-85c when running furmark + prime95 at the same time.

 

Comparison with stock / OC GT73VR 1070 and GT80 980m SLI
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/5697742/fs/5708173/fs/10174461/fs/10174530/fs/10173792

It looks like your GPU scores are right up there against the GT73VR 1070 - even higher actually, but your CPU score could use a little help - if you are going for numbers - it's the same as the stock 6820HK CPU score, they bumped it up with a bit of an OC.

Have you tried installing XTU to see if you can adjust anything?

Maybe you two should compare game scores? See if the CPU bump in OC for the 6820HK makes any FPS difference. @Atma