The Official MSI GT62VR Owners and Discussions Lounge

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well... i'm pretty much sold then.

i'll have to make up my mind between this and the Wingman p751dm2 since they are almost the same price haha

 

Just ordered my GT62VR.. 1070 + 32gb + 256 model. Arrives on Wednesday. So done with the GS63VR.. Hopefully this one is the ONE for me!

Well, two totally different machines.. If you want a quiet, yet portable machine, you'd go for the MSI. If you want a real DTR and desktop CPU, then go with that. I'm over large laptops but really value their quietness during normal and gaming use so it sounds like the GT62VR gives you that according to reviews. A fresh Windows install should fix the weird fluctuations in performance reviews are seeing. It fixed all performance issues on the GS63VR but it's still too damn loud and high pitched under load.

At the end of the day, 6820HK isn't worth the hassle of running an extra 50 watts out of your PSU to push them to 4ghz.

Not to mention IF your PSU can even provide the extra wattage to support it which apparently the overseas GT62VRs with 6820HK option can't even overclock well because of lack of power from the brick to support it! It's a waste.

So I agree with you, the 6700HQ is a solid upgrade from my 4870HQ in my Asus.. I benched a 6700HQ vs it in a few of my video encoding tests and the 6700HQ wins easily so I was surprised by that actually since the 4780HQ is supposed to hold higher 4 core clocks but it still got beat.

Plus, having a 6700HQ is better because now instead of going hotter/more watts/heat with a 6820HK, we can provide a small undervolt to the 6700HQ to keep things even cooler at the same clocks!

 

Which video review(s) did you watch for the GT62VR 1070?

I just noticed that the @GenTechPC review has an anomaly in the 3dmark11 test.

It looks like G-sync/V-sync was left on - all the FPS numbers are 59.xx, which is suspiciously close to 60hz - V-sync on would do that.

Of course that's less than the maximum unlocked frame rate you would get from G-sync off testing, so the temps are too low - a "full speed" test would show much higher temps.

This results in way lower CPU/GPU temperature readings than I would have expected, 71c/68c are shown but can't be realistic for a full speed 3dmark test on a 1070, in a laptop especially.

I checked for a GTX1070 desktop score to compare, and found one that got a score of P18127 vs the @GenTechPC GT62VR 1070 score of P11844, way too low.

3DMark11 GTX 1070 BENCHMARK FAST AS GTX 980 SLI !!!
Results at 3:37


MSI GT62VR Full Detailed Review w/ Benchmarks (Nvidia GTX 1070)
3dmark11 results starting at 11:58.


@GenTechPC if that 3dmark11 score is indeed G-sync limited, perhaps you can re-run it and re-post an updated video? Otherwise the score is poor, and the temps are uncharacteristically low for such a test.

@Diversion please run your own 3dmark11 test when you get yours in house and let us know what the results look like. Don't forget to disable G-sync and V-sync

 

Will do! Of course leaving G-Sync on is a misrepresentation of max TDP from the graphics and heat handling. I would never do that.. Gotta let the FPS fly with g-sync off.

I feel like ComputerShoppers review of the GT62vr with 1070 was accurate showing that the unit is capable of hitting low 80s on GPU and CPU at the same time without any throttling evidence. I expect to see the same numbers..

And even though it's possible to make the unit run HOT without g-sync on.. Most people will have it on and it will keep the units probably in the low 70s cpu/gpu at 60hz/60fps.

I tested my outgoing GS63VR with vsync on and off and even with that machine being so thin/light, most games were also in the low 70s on cpu/gpu at 60 fps capped.

If you're mindful about the panel Hz you have, (in this case 60hz/60fps) you're just overworking your machine if it's able to process more than 60fps.. Where i'm going with this is that stay mindful and always use g-sync and the GT62VR will run cool as a cucumber in pretty much any game.

While I will be testing theoreticals of uncapped FPS temperatures and fan noise (and hoping to come out impressed here still). Real life usage on the unit will see far lower temps.

So it seems GenTech was probably saying "Hey, these are real life expectations of the GT62VR seeing as you should be using G-Sync on 100% of the time".

A better daily usage test is Unigen Heaven with G-Sync on = temps you should expect all the time in heavy gaming.

More to come!

 

Sounds good.

@GenTechPC usually runs tests all out, I think they forgot to switch off G-sync this time

And, yes, most of the time when running G-sync on the internal display you are going to experience limited FPS, but some games are gonna fully tax the CPU / GPU even at 60 FPS - causing high CPU / GPU temps - so you want to find out how much the GT62VR can handle in it's fully loaded CPU / GPU state.

Some new owners don't test these limits, and might not run a AAA game that does load their laptop until after the return period, only to find the laptops limits are reached - and exceeded by tasks they want to perform, then it's too late to return it.

Just a heads up, but I know from your own previous test results reports, you will find the GT62VR limits just fine

 

Looking forward to it!

It seemed kinda strange the video review of gentechpc. Now I know why haha

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Great to hear, I'm hoping to finally find the GT62VR to make me far less angry (or rather, extremely happy) than the GS63 does.. I feel like i'm yelling in the GS63 thread about it's shortcomings on the fan side of things (and I hate laptops that have side-blowers). Otherwise that machine is pretty great, but the lack of G-Sync is a dealbreaker (I didn't think that it would be) but after seeing the tremendous amounts of tearing in my games was enough to say I *require* gsync now. Spoiled by it.

I have enough AAA titles that should make the CPU hurt even with G-Sync on.. so I get what you're saying. I can bring my SLI Titan-X desktop to it's needs (under 60 fps) in some games just based on crazy graphics settings (render scaling, etc.) so i'll have the full gamut of testing methods to work with.

 

G-Sync being on will not limit you to 60fps or to your refresh rate unless you tell it to. They changed hat awhile back and in order to make it do that you also have to turn on vsync.

Gsync will be on and allow you to run above native refresh rate with higher than native FPS. If fps dips below 60 then Gsync kicks in and keeps the fps and refresh syncd up.

You can alternatively run Gsync and fast sync which is what I do and hat will smooth out both below and above native refresh rates.

 

Yeah, for those of us sensitive to fan noise, looking for a machine under 17 inches, the GT62VR has to be the front runner.

I really wanted a 120hz, low response time panel this time around, but so far it seems this MSI is the -ONLY- sub 17" laptop that doesn't sound like a hair-dryer.


It looks like this model also has the same rounded wrist area seen on the GT72. It's a small thing, but I always really appreciated it.

The GT62VR has a lot going for it this time around. I just wish the "Gaming Series" badge was removable. Or there was a black sticker available online to place over it.

 

Make your own decal.. I was thinking about how I could make the machine less gamey as well.

 

In some retailers you can pay to get it covered or removed IIRC.



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Xotic has the "Stealth Wrap" that looks interesting, but I'd like to see that in person before I plunked down the cost of it.

 

Unfortunately, buying from Xotic and shipping to Australia is more trouble than it's worth

But yeah, I've thought for a while that someone could make some easy money if they sold "stealth" stickers to cover the overwhelming bling seen on gaming laptops.

Razer and Clevo (P640/P650/P670) are the only machines I genuinely like the look of. Gigabyte/AORUS aren't bad... but for how loud they are, they don't have the overwhelming sexiness of the Razer which makes people think "I just want one - no matter the flaws".

 

Eurocom has the barebone of the GT62VR, EUROCOM Tornado F5.

Seems like they have only desktop CPUs, but have thunderbolt 3. http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,384,0)ec

Looks clean at least.

 

Yeah, that's why I said turn off G-sync and V-sync - I think Nvidia recommends both on, probably for that very reason, so G-sync acts like it did before the split.

Good point though, that they are indeed separate

 

Didn't even know this thing existed.. Should have ordered this instead lol.

 

@Fifflarn
Ha you posted it before me

I've known the existence of the F5 since when MSI introduced the 16L1 motherboard model but (for a friend's sake) couldn't spill the beans. Not only TB3 but also a Z170 chipset, 2 NVMe slots (RAIDable), 4K G-Sync IPS LCD and up to a 6700K CPU.
It even supports a 330W PSU

 

I don't see a 4K display option in the dropdown.

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So why would MSI produce two motherboards for the GT62VR.. One that's BGA (cpu) and one that is not? Doesn't make much sense... Especially when I just configured one with 6700K (desktop) and 32gb mem and it was about the same cost as a 6700HQ model with 1070. AND you get HDMI2.0 and TB3.0? Seems like the perfect machine now. I may have to cancel my GT62VR order.

Edit: I've been wrong before..

Also I'm starting to think this isn't a real MSI made unit it looks like a clone to me.. If you look at the subwoofer it's completely different and lower quality than the one on MSI it's also missing a USB port on the left side and the keyword isn't RGB and possibly not even backlit.

Eurocom Tornado F5 for $1625 shipped without SSDs.. sign me up!

If this is the real deal with same good cooling system, why wouldn't anybody do this? I guess the wait time is probably a month long though :/

6700K (Desktop)
GTX 1070
330watt PSU

Pop in your own ram and SSD from Amazon (for way cheaper than Eurocom wants) and score.

 

The reasons I didn't pull the trigger on this F5 is warranty only being a year and possibly difficult to even get support. I don't think it's the same dimensions. The older unit had a thicker chassis than the gt62. I'm not willing to go any larger as the Gt62 is already at my limit. Wait time for build and I'm not a fan of their checkout/almost seems shady. If the dimensions turn out to be smaller on this unit I may reconsider it. But lack of 2 year warranty on such ba pricey unit is troubling.

 

The specs on Eurocom and Xotic (for last year's MSI Force model) are the exact same as the current GT62VR.

The 1 year is a bummer but the value is better and you get a desktop grade CPU and two m2 slots for raid.. What you lose is the RGB Steelseries although it may still be a unlabeled Steelseries with a single color backlit from what i'm finding out. The speakers might be worse on the MSI barebones too.

 

MSI doing an obscure barebone, with better features than the production model, is seriously baffling. Borderline insane.

Why?

 

MSI catering to the rare crowd in weird ways I guess. I figure there's more risk mass producing it with a desktop CPU in it possibly? It peaks my interest for the price being roughly the same price as the GT62VR.

 

Verify it's really got HDMI 2.0, as although one of the drop down "option" list items says HDMI 2.0, the Specs for the laptop at the top says in BOLD HDMI 1.4...it happens all the time with these Boutique listings, little errors that confuse - always verify all specs by comparing listings between boutique builders for the same frame / model, and the source manufacturer. And, get specs in writing as part of the purchase.

Ports: 3x USB 3.0; 1x USB 3.1 type C (Thunderbolt 3); 1x DP 1.2; 1x HDMI 1.4; 1x Headphone; 1x Microphone-in; 1x S/PDIF (digital); 1x Line-in; 1x RJ-45 LAN; 1x DC-in

The MSI GT62VR product listing says:
*GT72 / GT62 : HDMI @60Hz
*GE / GP62MVR : HDMI @30Hz
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GT62VR-6RE-Dominator-Pro.html#hero-overview

They don't say HDMI 1.4 or 2.0, but from that spec it looks like GT62VR has HDMI 2.0 - so you might already be getting it, check out the box inventory details and use a monitoring tool like hwinfo64 to look deep into the hardware specs when you get it.

 

When I get my GT62 on Wednesday I'll be testing the hdmi on my 4K panel to put the mystery to rest.

 

I've asked Eurocom : QUOTE This is Eurocom specific system. Where did you hear that? QUOTE

 

What did you ask them?

 

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Hello,
I've understand that the Tornado F5 is the MSI GT62 barebone, right?
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Answer
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This is Eurocom specific system. Where did you hear that?
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That's cute

Comparing the GT62 exterior shots they look the same, but I haven't compared interior shots.

 

The specs looks tempting but don't know what to expect with support and drivers. I saw it in this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...2-wingman-2-0-batman-3-0-lounge.794538/page-6

pc-konsulten.se is a swedish clevo reseller They have the MSI barebone too. They listed it with HDMI 2.0.

It got my attention, but it's a lot of money and if the support and drivers are bad, then you are kinda skrewed. Will contact pc-konsulten and ask some question next week.

 

They haven't added a 4k option. I don't know why. They do list it in the specs tab... It does support it, I'm sure as the motherboard has an eDP connector.

I don't know their reasoning my friend. The Eurocom F5 and the Xotic Force both use a 16L1 motherboard. The GT62VR uses a 16L2. The chipset and the CPU are different. One is desktop and the other a mobile platform. Hence some features are different.
Probably because sellers asked for and they were left customizing and supporting it themselves. The keyboard is backlit and the same steelseries but not branded and probably with only white fixed lighting.

PS: please make one long post instead of 3-4. It gets easier for us on mobile phones

HDMI 2.0 from the USB-C port. That port does TB 3.0 HDMI 2.0 and USB 3.1. The normal HDMI port is 1.4b

At this point I don't know more than you guys. I only was told about its existence as a laptop and that it used a desktop chipset (Z170) and CPU on a MSI 16L1 motherboard (not Clevo..).

 

Don't understand how drivers could be bad all of those components have readily available drivers and frankly are very common components. With these systems you are pretty much responsible getting them to work but it wouldn't be a problem for me. If someone's wanting the reseller to handle the Windows install I suppose there might be issues.

Where are the reviews on the previous MSI 161l models with 970m? Wonder how well it handles a 6700K.

 

Yes drivers are pretty much generic ones. Don't know about more proprietary stuff like Dragon Center or other MSI tools. It needs testing
Better let the user choose the OS. Especially for those who have Win7 licences left (not converted to Win10).

There aren't any reviews AFAIK. We should as @Tanner@XoticPC or @pat@XOTICPC about it

 

I´m interested in buying a GT62VR/ GT72VR, and I was hoping to get Win7 running on it (for playing older games, and so on).
Has anyone already tried out if you can get Win7 running on this machines? (win10 will be the main OS for sure, but Win7 as backup and for older games would be nice)
How is the noise on the GT62VR ? Notebookcheck claims that its pretty quiet for a gaming laptop with a 1070 . How is your opinion?

 

This looks very interesting but wondering how hot the 91W CPU gets under load?
That's twice the TDP of the 6700HQ !
Overall it looks pretty slick but the downside is you don't get some cool MSI features like you do on the stock GT62.
The one thing has me worried is that it might be using different fans sounding louder and the profiles are different, I love the fact the the GT62 runs so relatively quiet when gaming.
Quick someone find a review of this laptop, even if it's with last gen GPU's.
Man this just made my decision harder!

Short vid of the internals


I hope no one gets mad I sort of went off subject but this is as close to a GT62 as your going to get without being the real deal, you can sort of call it it's more brutal and less refined older brother

 

According to the dimensions it's the same exact footprint and weight but some things appear different. Subwoofer looks cheaper quality on the barebones. Keyboard possibly cheaper and or just s single color. No left USB port.. I agree with you though I'm seriously considering ordering one so I can do a side by side review with the GT62.

Eurocom emailed me back saying they are shipping on the 23rd this month by the way. I'll submit an order around then.

I'll then be selling whichever model I cannot get refunded on the forums

Also I don't like having a Eurocom label .. Xotics version is completely brand less, it looks amazing.

 

Agree with Eurocom logo it's a bit much but yeah overall it's a pretty potent setup.
Now I'm not sure how much performance gain you'll get going from a mobile to desktop CPU in gaming but there will be a boost, how much a boost is the question.
Pretty sure the keyboard is a single color or even steelseries but I can live with that.
Looking forward to your opinion on both laptops.
The other option is CLEVO but I'd prefer going with MSI since build quality is generally better ( not saying CLEVO is bad but from my experience just materials used and feel is a better with MSI).

 

One would only consider the barebone GT62 if they're interested in the following:

LGA components
Desktop class CPU for CPU-intense activities
MXM 3.0b GPU
RAID capabilities as the real deal only offers one SSD slot.
Entire customizability for die hard enthusiasts

But want to sacrifice:

Probably no official driver support. But I assume anyone getting a customizable unit can take care of the drivers.
Probably no more flashy dragon center and tools to adjust the fans and color profiles. Will they work in barebones?
Reading the previous comments and seeing the Eurocom page, it does not offer a multi-million colors backlit keyboard.
Probably not the same cooling effectiveness with more powerful components and a bigger power supply? The real deal does a great job keeping the CPU and GPU warm and is not noisy.

We will however need reviews to ensure it is the case.

 

According to this seller (Europe): http://laptopparts4less.frl/15.6-in...-SYNC-laptop-zelf-samenstellen-build-to-order
multi-color backlit keyboard is available
depending what CPU you choose, it's not necessary more powerful

 

Cyberpower has the RGB and no logos.. pretty much the perfect one:
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Fangbook_4_XTREME_VR_200_Gaming_Laptop

 

Also suggests that 1080p is UHD

 

I saw that.. :/ Well, what I don't like is that i'm forced to get SSDs and memory.. and it's still a lot more costly than Eurocom's build.

Also e-mailed the Ebay guy selling the barebones 980M ones to see if it's getting the 1070s anytime soon. I bet he can sell them a lot cheaper.

 

MSI marketing gives me the sh_ts.

Impossible to tell whether any of the models in Australia are IPS and/or G-sync.

Different retailers all give different answers (despite the same model number).

No answer from email/facebook query's to MSI direct.

 

Check the driver page for the model you want to get. The driver page of the gt62vr does not even have a link to download Intel integrated VGA, so no Optimus in that model. Gsync is guaranteed

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Are you sure it works like that? Still needs the G-sync cookie in the BIOS. Which isn't free (for MSI).

My understanding is that MSI is offering G-sync and non G-sync GT62's... with no Optimus options.

=|

 

It's not exactly like that but everywhere I checked the screen specifications said g-sync available so I didn't bother too much

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Never heard of a gsync cookie in the BIOS but i've heard of a lock-bit on the mobo that the Nvidia drivers look for to make sure it's licensed for G-Sync.

 

Ok got into contact with Eurocom. Keyboard fixed colour white backlight. Both internal ports support PCIe x4 so a nice RAID 0 setup. Shipping is around Sept 23.
Looks like a good candidate.

 

I don't think the tornado f5 will deliver. We are seeing mid 80°C in a BGA 6700hq with an 1070. If you add up a desktop 6700k then that laptop is going to be hotter than hell. Also, the fans will be like jet engines

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