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Another question, mainly for gamers, doesn't matter the laptop: what are the best (and best means least cables but also good quality) headphones and controllers to play steam games? Right now I have a wired xbox 360 (does wireless work or do i need to get an xbox one controller for that?) and a turtlebeach earforce x12 headset. Both work great. I was on GTA V last night and sound was amazing and playing with a controller is better BUT the headphones and the xbox controller have like 12-16 foot cords. So it is just a gangly mess. Then of course the headphones you got to plug in the earpiece jack, the microphone jack and then also a USB to power it.

So my question is: are there any headphones out there that i just plug in ONE cord to my laptop? and is there any controller out there that i can play wirelessly all my steam games with? I know people have gotten PS4 controllers to work with special software but not sure if they are plugged in as well. Any help would be appreciated Thanks!

 

@Diversion @Talon @hmscott
Guys, you got ur book repasted recently.
I guess i will be OK with MX4 cream on this unit.
Anyhow, what method had you used? Rice drop for CPU and x for GPU or spread the cream manually and then reseat the HS?
I have seen too many videos on this topic and read so many articles that i've made a decision to trust you guys on this.i repasted only desks via mid-drop so far, but 6820 and 1700 seem to have rectangle heatspreader.can you confirm?
Thanks.

 

I bought the 8tb external Seagate.. it works great.. you'll only notice some lag when it needs to spin up (from being in standby mode). I also have a 4tb laptop portable drive where I store all my games on.

 

I always prefer the spread over entire area method.. I've done the almost pea drop sized one in the middle before a lot and it was also fine but sometimes it left some iffy coverage. Yes it's a rectangle die on the CPU.. It's not a heat spreader.. You only get Intel Heat Spreaders on desktop CPUs.

 

So they are practically delidded yet, correct? thanks

 

BGA cpus are bare die, so it would be the same as delidded.. But actually better than a delid because you don't have to use a IHS.. Whereas on a de-lid desktop cpu, you still have to use the lid because heatsinks are designed to rest on the IHS (lid).

Wonder if someone makes a copper lid replacement for the IHS.. something that conducts better than the aluminum lid would be nice.

 

Hmm, the patent seems to be registered: Some Ni-Cu based one.
https://www.google.ch/patents/US8030757

 

If I shaved off the edges of the stock IHS so that it just rests on the die, it would do a lot better at heat transfer but the issue is possibly too much pressure on the die.. I'm just gonna have to use what I got.

 

I use GameCom 780 headset which is a single USB port and for controller I recently got a used Xbox One for cheap, which works great. Otherwise I used to use a razer sabertooth (xbox 360 controller) but the quality of the buttons left a lot to be desired during intense play (the coating was too close to the button, causing random slightly sticky buttons sometimes). But if you can find a cheap XBO controller, it is better.

 

Thanks. I actually already have the XBO controller but i wired it. So i just bought the $20 dongle off amazon and the official xbox stereo headset that plugs into the controller. So i should just have one dongle and that's it. Thanks!

 

That's ok, you can get the PS4 Pro *too*

 

@andross77

Yup, that's the kind of lag I was talking about, if it happens at game startup it's no biggie, but if the heads / drive needs to wake up in game to load new content, it'll be frustrating.

Turning off all sleep / power save / head parking modes - several layers of tuning to catch them all - is the solution - go back to my other post for details, and then ask questions if you can't find the switches to flip or the tools needed.

 

Stock pasting crime scene i'd say...
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOUCEPlhamyhcZYFpTc8w93RrCvYg

 

If IHS had been made of aluminum, you couldn't use Liquid metal You're welcome
Also read
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussions-lounge.797128/page-17#post-10368070

 

What is made of? Can't watch video right now lol...

 

Yeah looks terrible! Let us know what happens..

 

Ok, so:
xtu stress:
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AiOUCEPlhamyhcZkqQSg8rgswcLcfQ
Cpuz stress:
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AiOUCEPlhamyhcZlV11GLXqwS0EEXg
Occt stress:
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AiOUCEPlhamyhcZmTstaoJnnl1bmcQ
P95 stress:
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AiOUCEPlhamyhcZnzDXwVis3pKXtUg
Cpu 0 and 2 are still warmer but temps are muuuch better.
Opportunity for 38,39 or 40 maybe if required.

 

No, you have a real problem with core 0 / 2, at minimum temp they are 10c-15c apart, check the P95 stress. I see that differential in all the hwinfo images.

You can't OC with 2 cores leading by that much, they will thermal throttle ahead of the other 2 cores leaving you with no useful OC potential - cores 0 / 2 will thermal throttle ahead of the other 2 cores even if the CPU appears to be stable at the OC.

You see an overall improvement for all cores, but the differential between 0/2 and 1/3 is still pronounced.

Time to return it.

You can't fix it with re-pasting, the problem is the CPU itself. It's not going to get better.

I know it sucks, been there myself, it's an unexpected problem to deal with that you couldn't plan for, but now that you have it it can't be ignored - not if you want to have the performance you expected.

 

Duuuuuudes, how do i turn GSYNC on? I'm getting serious tearing on WoW and other games and i'm way over 60fps. And this is a 60hz screen right? so there should be no tearing? is it as simply as turning vsync on in each individual game? I thought i could turn gsync on somewhere and then there would be no tearing in any game?

 

New GT62VR user here, I'm having NO issues playing BF1 @ 4k Ultra settings no aa. CPU is not holding back the 1070 guys.

 

From two different AW reviews See temp difference between cores
1) http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/new-alienwares-2016.795625/page-160#post-10368963

2) The video review of AW15R3

 

It help's if you add words to explain your point, rather than provide links to long postings or reviews and expect someone to catch the same info that caught your eye

You can find CPU core's hotter / cooler than the others in some tests. That's normal expected variance.

When that temperature differential variance is higher than 5c, it's time to consider returning the CPU or laptop.

Once you notice such a large CPU core temperature differential, it's best to test for it specifically, on idle and under load.

You can often see Core 0 showing higher temps than the other 3 cores, as Core 0 is the default core to run threads on - and Core 0 is usually clocked higher than the other 3 cores.

If you consistently have one to three cores running 10c+ hotter than the other cores - idle or under load - you have an imbalance that will interfere with stability under load - causing premature thermal throttling of the hot cores.

1 or 2 cores running consistently hot is the point most people realize there is something wrong. Many people don't know enough to return the CPU or laptop, but they should

3 cores running too hot is also a problem, but for some reason people just assume that 1 core is running cooler. It's also a situation where you should return the CPU / laptop to get a balanced 4 core same temp CPU.

A typical "normal" core temp imbalance is 2c-5c range - that's considered "normal". Kinda like the 2-3 bad pixel guidance for returning an LCD panel.

Anything above a 5c core differential is an easy return. The worst I have personally returned were 8c-10c 2 core differentials, and those were LGA CPU's; a 980x and a 2700k.

@encheels 10c-15c 2 core imbalance is the worst I have seen, and he should definitely return it.

 

Quite interesting comparison. AW15 oc'd and tested with Cinebench R15, while @encheels machine tested with Prime95 (lower processor clockspeed). Look at the temperature. Prime95 stress the processor more than Cinebench R15, but the processor in the P95 test is clocked lower. About the same temp differences between cores on both.

 

That is interesting

@encheels tested using more than one program, and the temperature differential shows up in the Cores there too:

The other odd thing, is that @encheels has a 6820HK in a GT62, which we don't have in the US....

The doubly odd thing is that AW has slyly made it so that the 6820HK isn't an option except in the 4k model, making the 6820HK a more rare option. Maybe the reason they reduced the 6820HK options is due to not having enough "good" 6820HK's?

How is it that 2 6820HK's, in 2 different laptops - from 2 different laptop brands, both have the same temperature differential in the same cores??

Something is up... but what is it?

At default the 6820HK isn't running the same multiplier on all 4 cores, and should be cooler as the core number goes up, with the Core 0 running at the highest speed - running the hottest potentially, and Core 3 running at the slowest speed and coolest.

Logically Core 0 would be hotter than Core 1, which would run hotter than Core 2, lastly running coolest on Core 3.

Here we see the 2 hottest cores are Core 0 and Core 2.

@encheels - can you please go into the BIOS and set all 4 cores to the same multiplier, like 3.6ghz is a good start - we just want to see if the 4 cores can get tuned to run at the same temperature differential - at least 5c or less difference between cores.

What do you think @Papusan - have any good tests in mind to put an even load on all 4 cores?

@encheels be sure to clear the readings in hwinfo between runs, and don't have any other apps loaded and running besides the benchmark and hwinfo so that there isn't an off chance something else is also heating up the cores, besides the test app.

@iunlock had you noticed any correlation between hot cores for Core 0 and 2 with 6820HK's? Please read through these last few posts about @encheels results and compared against @Papusan 's post noticing a similar temperature differential with a new AW 15 with a 6820HK. Thanks!

 

on 36x:
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AiOUCEPlhamyhcZt4tMeLt589SJPew

All tests were performed without additional app load.

additional IDLE load information:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOUCEPlhamyhcZuTn22W3hCusRnAg

 

That's so strange, Core 0 / 2 are too High on load test, but even Minimum temp differential is high. Then on Idle test the cores are all in line aok.

Maybe go from Idle temps - all 4 cores at same temp, then run one course of benchmark so the Minimum temps match up with low temps.

Your load temps look like you ran more than 1 benchmark run, and didn't let the cores/CPU cool down to Idle before running the test again

Still hot on Cores 0/2 with all 4 cores at same multiplier.

Do you have other monitoring software? Don't uninstall hwinfo64, but don't run more than 1 monitor at a time. See if you are seeing the same differential in other monitoring tools.

I find it hard to believe that so many 6820HK's have this temperature differential.

Hopefully @iunlock will check in and review this, as he has seen a lot of 6820HK's results, and he should know if this is "normal" or not

Typically you don't have 2 cores running hotter than the others by 10c-15c, that just doesn't work right in the long run.

And, your 3.6ghz test Thermal throttled on Core 0, that's not good either, it shouldn't thermal throttle at low clock rate.

Did you undervolt yet, by how much on the cores and cache?

I wonder if there is a "bad batch" of 6820HK's running around out there...

 

That's awesome! Can't wait to buy that game! Speaking of the CPU, did anyone see the Razer Blade Pro announcement and thinknit was crazy that they put the same 6700HQ CPU in a $3,700-$4,500 top of the line laptop that we have?

Either the 6700HQ is a very capable CPU and the naysayers in this thread have way overblown its possible bottlenecking OR Razer just screwed over its customers badly and made a huge mistake on an otherwise amazing machine.

 

By pairing a 6700HQ with a 1080, Razer are screwing over their customers majorly. And unless magic is real, that thing is going to overheat and throttle. Badly.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

 

Any educated guesses on what will be the price of MSI GT62VR (16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, currently $1,699) on Christmas?

 

Then it's super weird they made that choice even understanding that companies like this are all about profit margin. If the CPUs are just like $100 cost difference that's not much on a $4k computer. Does Razer think they are Apple and can get away with exorbitant price gouging?

 

Sold out or hard to find due to xmas demand?

Likely not on sale for less... generally laptop prices stay high for good gaming laptops, they are scarce and hard to find due to demand.

Sometimes retailers will put them up on sale with other items, but you can't count on the good ones to be discounted.

I'd save your $ for what you want, and get it when you find it in stock.

 

2 more questions: 1) anyone found a "perfect case" for this laptop? Mine sits at home like a desktop most of the time but I should have a case for it eventually. 2) for RAM upgrades, are all 4 slots easily accessible? Or is it 2 on each side of the mobo? I think I read that somewhere which then my question would be, is the other side even accessible? Not that I'm gonna do 64gb anytime soon but maybe if I keep this 6 years like my last laptop I will.

 

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answe...p-difference-intel-cpu-considered-faulty.html

 

Duplicate. Delete please.

 

2 hidden inside, you need to demount nearly whole machine to get in there.remaining 2 are normally accessible.
You won't need 64 GB, not even in 6 years...unless you run 2-3 VMs simultaneously, though you will run into CPU allocation shortage in such case.

 

so are the 2x8 gb currently in there in the "hidden" 2 slots or the easy ones? Want to know how hard it would be to put 2x16gb in there in a year or 2.

 

Yeah, his temperature differential is even higher at 20c... that's the worst we've seen now...

It looks like the 6820HK owners need to look for this problem when getting a new laptop, so they can realize it and return it before the return period expires.

If there are a lot of 6820HK's with this problem that get built into systems, you might run into trouble getting the maker to RMA a replacement motherboard with a good 6820HK - they aren't going to make it easy.

So it will be best to find the 6820HK Core heat differential problem and return the laptop to the retailer quickly, before you run out your return window and need to fight it out with the laptop maker.

 

2x8 installed inside, 2 easily accessible ones are free.

 

Remember the cores is packed different in Skylake Die than Haswell. On Haswell they was packed in a straight line, but with Skylake they are packed Two and two. I would do a re-paste one more time and test again(Also see how the current paste was spread). Test with both 4 and 8 threads in Wprime. As well Cinebench R15. Use the log function in Throttlestop, high power in Win power plan and not use settings from any obscure OEM software, same multi on all cores And download and use Core parking utility. But the temperature difference between the cores isn't good.

Spoiler: SKYLAKE DIE

 

When you haven't dealt with these before, it does seem that the solution is to "paste one more time", but after 4x pasting, with different pastes, only to find that a new CPU installed in the same set up works just fine, it's clear its the CPU and not the paste

 

And I really hope buyers of BGA filth Test the machine properly before the time window is closed for returning their new purchased gaming book. If not they are screwed Test, test and test. Yeah, I love benchmark. But will people who don't like benching find out that they are screwed before the returning Window close?

 

It's a good idea. I guess you saw the PM's, I put you into the original conversation, but didn't see any response from you...

The result of the PM's so far is @iunlock is starting a 6820HK thread to warn new owners to test for the core temperature differential during the return period, so they don't get stuck

 

I saw the pm When will the new thread be created? A thread like this will only save a few poor BGA owners from Intel's desire for creating Trash People should talk with their resellers - OEM's in social media about this!! A thread here isn't enough

 

Better to do something than nothing, and from a small seed grow large results.

Better to save the drowning soul within reach, than out reach yourself and save noone.

Let the souls you save, reach out further, and save the rest.

 

I trying every day bro Also my good friend @Mr. Fox trying as good he can I hope we can make a difference!!

 

Thanks encheels! So if I left those for convenience sake and out 2x8 or 2x16 in the easily accessible slots do I need to make sure I match them in anyway? Or is the only thing that they be DDR4 and 2400mhz? And they can be any brand, CL, etc? Also would it mess up the dual channel aspect or is that fine because the 2 in there are the same and whatever I buy will be the same?

 

Hello fellow tech warriors, iunlock here from the other side haha. @hmscott, asked me to take a look at the 6820HK uneven temp issue and I might have some insight on the issue. I'll also comment on some of the posts that caught my eye as well. Looking good in here though guys...smokin' through the threads! Great stuff.

When repasting laptops with an exposed die, I would recommend to spread the paste evenly as oppose to using any type of spreading methods. Those are more so for high pressure mounting desktop heat sinks, whereas the light pressure heat sinks on our laptops coupled with the small surface area of the die won't benefit too much if at all with any type of application method. ie...spreading is best IMO. However, you could get away with a line method on the cpu die, but on the GPU die, since it has a larger surface area, I would recommend spreading the paste evenly.

Also due to the nature of laptops we have to be a little more generous with the paste to compensate for any intolerance of unevenness of the heat sink against the die(s) of the chips. When using traditional paste, I usually take my Gelid Extreme applicator tool and spread a nice even layer across the die making sure to cover the whole surface. Now...here's a little tip that I've developed over the years when spreading paste over the die and/or the surface of an IHS.

Once you have complete coverage of the paste, if there seems to be a little too much (which is okay) create a little mountain toward the center of the die. ie...work some of the excess paste toward the center so that when you put on the heat sink, it'll spread evely. This has always worked like a charm because the pressure is usually on the center of the die (point of contact) so it's nice to have plenty in the central area and let the pressure do the rest...

Roger that and I agree.

Oh I hear ya...take a look at AW's toothpaste from my 17R4 lol...just crazy right? Spend all this money on R&D only to end up using crap paste? Yikes...
(These are from my repaste guide that just went live yesterday.)

See below...

The go to app to test the CPU is OCCT. It's awesome and you can choose different size data sets for your test. Here is a screen shot of one my 2 Hour runs at 40x on stock voltage. (The bare minimum to run it is ~30mins...if it can pass that then you should be golden. Sometimes I just leave mine running to to see if temps rise....2 Horus is a long time I know...that can for sure be written off as a PASS.

Okay so here's my take on the whole 6820HK issue. From my experience anytime the temps were off by a lot on some of the cores, it was almost always due to there not being enough paste on the die. The core order is kind of like the firing order on an engine so 0 is diagonal from 3 and 1 is diagonal from 2.

It could be that the heat sink is warped to where it is only making good contact across the die, diagonally, which is causing cores 0 and 3 or 1 and 2 or heck even 0 and 2 depending on which angle the uneven contact of the heat sink lies.

I would try repasting and using a healthy amount of paste to make sure that you have a nice thick even layer on there to ensure even coverage and to test the temps again. If the two cores are still miles apart from the other two, then it's likely a hardware issue. Also, just so we're on the same page, make sure that you're setting all the multipliers to the same number, ex. 36x on all four cores...

Another thing to try is to go into BIOS, set everything to defautl/factory stock, restart and enter BIOS again. -> Then make your changes on the OC profile or whatnot and reboot. Often times if you just set your settings without bringing it back to default, it can act very strange....BIOS is weird to begin with so it's good to make it a habit of always setting it back to default first, restart and to re-enter BIOS again on a fresh clean slate. Hope that makes sense..

Also.....I did notice something strange on the die of my 6820HK yesterday when repasting it. There seem to be a little bubble on the die that was underneath the surface? Let me see if I have a pic of it....but it could be possible that there are defected batches of these chips? Who knows....so far everything seems fine though temp wise. All my cores are pretty even and sometimes exactly even...

I'm really interested to get down to finding out what the issue is so count me in to help....I'll figure out what the best thing to do in regard to creating a thread about this issue.

Stand by...I'll report back...

Razer....6700HQ and GTX 1080? SMH...I know right? Also, remember that not all GTX1080's will be created equal. I'm curious how much they'll tune that down....it'd be pathetic if it ends up being >150W or something. That would be a total waste of a GTX1080 card in there....might as well go with a 1070 or 1060 at that point if OEM's are going to gimp their cards that much.... I'm just assuming, but we'll see...

The Razer is a direct RIP off of Apples MacBook Pro design to begin with. How they call that laptop a Pro as well? When I see stuff like this by OEM's it just urks me....just copy cats with no innovation. I still don't now how they got away with ripping that unibody design of the MBP lol...

 

It sounds like @encheels has already repasted, perhaps working with him closely to do it one more time - or 2x - to make sure it's not a misfit cooling element or paste is required to move forward.

Thanks for taking this on @iunlock

Maybe connect with the AW owner to work out the paste/fitment as well as possible solutions too?

 

OK so just tried using the HDMI pass through to my 60" Vizio for GTA V and there is a TON of screen tearing. VSYNC is turned on. Any ideas? No screen tearing in game when just played on laptop.

 

Check on the TV the details of the connection, and on the Nvidia control panel, make sure it's 60hz or whatever it's supposed to be, that it is as expected.

If there is tearing it's a mismatch of frame rate and refresh.