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Except that I confirmed the fans are identical between the GT72 and GT62/Barebones.. Therefore will sound the same.. However, there is an extra pipe for cooling on either the CPU or GPU don't remember which one on the GT72.

 

The extra physical volume, extra length pipes, larger exhaust ports, and new CPU plate/pipes for LGA CPU should give more air-flow and lower temps.

But, I was more thinking about the 17.3" screen, 15.6" is just too small for my viewing comfort for long hours of use.

 

Notebookcheck's review of the GT72VR was pretty much lined up with the temps of the GT62 though

 

The GT72VR seems to be a downgrade from last generations GT72S, so I wouldn't be surprised to find the cooling is downgraded too... I haven't read the articles yet, will check them out later, thanks.

I would like a like for like comparison between a GT72VR and GT73VR, maybe a 1060 or 1070 would be better.

Hopefully the barebones 17.3" would be based on the GT73VR

 

Absolutely. If they can get out a Kaby Lake + Pascal 17.3" monster, and keep it cool the way they seem to have with the 16L13, it will be a big hit with power users. Maybe even @Mr. Fox will buy one. I hope that if they make one, it comes with a 1080 and a 330W power brick.

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I was only just asking if svet also modified the firmware. Firmware holds the fan speed for both cpu and gpu.

As for the bios mod. I want to know if some merchants there allow unlocked bios. because some merchants are sensitive when you have an unlock bios.

 

We already have control over the CPU and GPU fan speed individually. There are sliders, or you can create custom fan curves in the dragon center app. You can alternatively just force max fans with a button or in the app as well.

 

Would make more sense if MSI did the 17" Barebones based on the GT73 instead since it can do SLI making it a bigger differentiating factor between 15" and 17". The sad thing is how bad the review of the new GT83VR .. Supposedly it's louder and runs hotter than the GT62/72/73.. wtf?

 

Link to review of the new GT83VR?

 

Nevermind I guess I was looking at the older Maxwell review on Notebookcheck.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT80S-6QF-Titan-SLI-Notebook-Review.157615.0.html

They were complaining about noise up to over 50db. and up to 60db!

"The CPU does not throttle in the stress test, but up to 97 °C (~207 °F; according to HWMonitor) are pretty high."

 

I've seen this review. But more the new Msi BGA machine with 1080 SLI. Was more interested in knowing the sound level from the 1080 Sli setup. I'M not interested the machine, LOL
You know, Will never ever touch BGA

 

Another successful BIOS mod by Svet

 

Awesome! Congrats!

 

Hey guys,

like many others I have been lurking here for a while, but sometime soon I will have to take a decision and I hope that your collective wisdom can help me out.

In just a few weeks I'll most probably be leaving for Australia for several months and the 16L13 seems like everything I need: portability, power, silence, LGA etc.

Knowing this, I need help with the following questions:

1) why do configurators mention "desktop" when choosing the gpu? Is it because they assume most people have no clue pascal mobile gpus are as powerful as desktop cards so they advertise them as desktop grade GPUs?

2) It's pretty hard to find European places selling these, at least at a decent price... so far, the only one seems to be Laptopparts4less, mentioned in this thread somewhere earlier. And even then, even if I'm purchasing through a company (no VAT), the prices are still way above Eurocom's
Now, since I have someone waiting for me in Australia, would it be wiser to buy this beast from Eurocom and ship it to Australia? The question really being this: would I need to pay customs fees just like I would if I were shipping to Europe?

2b) I'm pretty sure that hardware prices in Australia are even worse than Europe compared to the US, but just in case I'm wrong... is it even worth checking some Australian resellers?

3) The only doubts I have with this machine is the screen, and even then it's not like there were better options in other 15,6 machines... has there been word of when 1080p@120hz screens (gsync ofc) will be available? I read things about Alienware being first or something. What's the status?

Thank you in advance for any help you can provide guys!

 

Can't speak to the rest but for #1 that's exactly what they're doing. The lack of an "M" doesn't turn on a light bulb above enough peoples' heads.

 

Hey guys,

First off thanks a lot for this thread, it's been really informative and helped me discover a laptop I probably wouldn't have found otherwise in the 16L13 barebones!

I already posted over in the what laptop should I buy section but was wondering if you guys that own the 16L13 could offer any extra insight.

All the really positive stuff I have read on the 16L13 here has really made me want to get one but I also have a 15% discount code for Dell / Alienware which is tempting me toward the new 15.

Basically it ends up being about £200 more expensive for the MSI over the AW with the only real difference being the 6700k in the MSI vs the 6820hk of the AW.

Is the extra £200 worth it for the extra power of the 6700k vs 6820hk? Would I notice much differnce in day to day use and gaming? Is it going to be more future proof?

My only concern so far with the MSi is that it seems there has to be quite a bit of tweaking done to get those good temps on the 6700k? I'm pretty inexperienced with OC'ing / undervolting etc and have never done a repaste before. I'd be quite keen on learning this stuff though if it gets me a more powerful machine.

Thanks for your help.

 

2) You can find it here also: http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Fangbook_4_XTREME_G-SYNC_1060/ (with 1060 or 1070). Prices are similar (for less guarantee). Maybe you can try to profit from the Brexit... I think someone talk about a polish seller earlier in the post (but same price). If you find a better way to get it in Europe... I'am in the same boat ;-)

 

I had asked this concern too a few pages back and @Diversion commented about the difference between the 6700K and 6820HQ:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.793857/page-122#post-10361611

Basically the CPU isn't/won't be a problem for awhile with either Desktop/Mobile Processors. I don't know about the new Alienwares, but so far the results on the MSI 161L3 / GT62VR have been fantastic in regards to cooling/fan noise/lack of throttling at stock settings due to the larger fans it uses.

 

Thanks. I guess if there's not a difference between the two CPU's worth worrying about then it will come down to build quality / temps / performance between the MSI and AW. I'll hold off for now until some reviews and more impressions of the AW come in. I feel like the MSI is probably the safer / more solid choice out the two but the >£200 difference has me stuck a bit.

 

From what I have seen... You must re-paste with better thermal paste, also if you go for these new thin AWbooks. I have seen High maximum temperature with subsequent throttling. This with a wimpy 3.5 GHz and without the use of Dell's announced preinstalled dynamic overclocking profiles So expect a fully teardown.

 

Yeah I also saw that, which is pretty worrying and another reason i'm swaying toward the MSI barebones. If more poor reports like that come in on the AW my decision will be made a lot easier! Thanks.

 

The same as all out of the box reviews, they didn't undervolt the CPU and Skylake needs it more than it's predecessors - otherwise the CPU runs hot.

My GT80 SLI-263 didn't *need* full / max fans, but to eek out the last drop of performance by getting the highest volume cooling, turning fans on Max/Full on was loud.

I never needed that for gaming or normal use, except during long batch job runs. I was happy to have max cooling then.

The 1080's are running hot in all laptops, and even gaming they seem to need the max 100% fans to keep them tamed.

Only the GX800 water-cooled laptop can be run 1080 SLI at full performance with quiet operation.

 

All of the 16L13 laptops are getting re-pasted too, so you aren't going to avoid that by skipping the AW. And, with the 16L13 you should "delid" the CPU for best cooling, so keep that in mind too.

Rockit 88 - Black Body
https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/products/rockit-88

The 6820HK / 6700HQ are laptop CPU's without a "lid", so you don't need to worry about delidding them

 

I wouldn't worry too much about a delid just yet, seems like that is the last resort in the event that you absolutely are hammering the hell out of the CPU. The repaste on a MS161L3 is a breeze compared to AW I imagine.

 

As long as it's a breeze to re-paste, why chintz out on the delid?

You can get a delidding tool cheap:
https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/products/rockit-88

And, reports are that you drop temps 10c by using Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra for the IHS.
http://www.coollaboratory.com/

10c drop is a big improvement, I would think it's mandatory when going through the extra effort to get a MSI 16L13 barebones laptop that uses a desktop CPU, instead of a MSI GT62.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-517#post-10363127

"...I used the rockit 88 delid and relid tools, best $38 I've ever spent.

The instructional video on the website was great.To sum up, delid your cpu if you can it makes a huge difference."

 

is there a nonfan based cooling solution for laptops? something small that vents out cold air just like an air conditioner?

 

I think the risk of the two are a bit different, but again that probably depends on skill level/comfort. I've done lots of repastes so I'm very comfortable with that. A bad repaste doesn't kill the processor, a bad delid can. I myself would only delid if A.) a repaste doesn't solve the problem, or B.) can't exchange the processor and have nothing else to loose. But again, that is just me.

 

The comfort level is an illusion, they are both dangerous operations that can fail even for those with lots of previous experience.

Things can always go wrong when pulling things apart and putting them back together.

The Rockit 88 takes the "safer" of the 2 delidding methods and makes it even safer by adding stability and control to the "vise-method".

Getting a good vise grip is crucial to success, and the Rockit 88 looks to be fool proof.



The Razor blade method...

 

I think it's a bit early to compare the new Alienwares to the 16L13. I was actually about to pull the trigger on a AW15 6820HK myself with 1070. Until I came across the 16L13.. And realized that it's a far cheaper unit (if you're in the USA) vs what you get on the AW.. And it's BGA vs LGA..

Plus at this point in time, I had the MSI GT62VR and found it to be a super quiet, cold running machine.. I couldn't be happier with the 16L13 and really don't think the new AWs could even compete on the sound front/CPU side..

And plus, i'd rather have a 6700K Desktop CPU over the 6820HK because of binning and quality of the CPU. The 6700K runs at up to 4.2ghz STOCK.. There is ZERO guarantee a 6820HK will run at any speed higher than it's default 3.6ghz clocks. Plus it's also only designed to run at 3.2ghz under a 4 core load.

That being said, it's easier to work upwards and downwards on clock speed on the 6700k than it will be working with a 6820HK.

So far from reading the experience of the early people with AW15s..the GPU runs cold (but the fans are probably nearly maxxed out on speed to achieve it and loud) and the CPU side runs hot..

Lastly I'm hearing reports that the AW's fans are quite loud under load (which is not something i'd ever deal with). If I run my fans on my 16L13 on max settings, its still pretty tolerable and I get the same if not better temps than the AW15 is getting on the gpu side.

One guy reported 68-70c on GPU temps with auto fans with Firestrike. I got 65c with a single Firestrike run myself last night (I repasted my 1070 with CLU).

Just food for thought.. AWs are nice, but the 1" frame is obviously the trade off .. The other thing to note is that the AW15 is HEAVIER than the 16L13 by OVER 1 POUND!

6.4lbs (16L13) vs 7.8~ lbs (AW15)

 

Yeah I think this was my main concern, I've never even done a repaste before so delidding is pretty terrifying to me haha. Does anyone have one of these and not done a delid yet? Would temps be ok with just a repaste?

The tool does look handy though if it absolutely had to be done.

 

Thanks a lot for this, very informative.

If I didn't have the 15% discount on the AW I think the 16L13 would be a no brainer, the AW would normally be more expensive than it. Though from what yourself and others are saying it's sounding like the extra £200 would probably be worth it for the 16L13 anyway.

Yeah I saw those first few temps on the AW thread and it didn't look promising CPU side, especially when they were just running 3.5ghz or something, makes me worry about any chance of it hitting that claimed 4.1 OC.

And yeah the weight is one of the biggest other factors for me, I won't notice a few mm extra thickness when carrying a laptop in my backpack but i'll definitely notice that extra weight.

 

Is there a BIOS hack or update for the MSI GT62VR that allows manual MUX switching between intel GPU and nvidia?

 

Also the footprint of the 16L13 is considerably smaller than the AW as well.. The AW15 fits into the old AW17 weight/size class.. And the new AW17 fits into the old AW18 class.

The 16L13 is pretty much identically sized to the previous outgoing AW15.. which is pretty compact for the power they crammed inside.

 

Not yet..

 

Have you the noise numbers from GX800? You say the laptop with water dock isn't noisy. Notebookcheck said GX700 was pretty noisy, and said the solution wasn't good!! And need a water dock for cooling is Crazy Crap. Rather buy a desktop if you need to be tethered to your desk home... The Acer laptop isn't portable!! I use my laptop several places home and also take it with me to my cabin on the mountain and the sea. I hate such crippled solution. Same crippled **** as the eGPU dock from AW. I prefer always big laptops.., I can handle a heavy weight laptop, but I don't want an extra package where ever I go.

 

Start listening at 7:00, he says the GX800 was near silent.

Note the GX800 air temps are better than the P870DM3, and of course the GX800 runs even cooler on water.

Idle temps


Heavy load temps


You really should watch the whole GX800 video this time, I have posted this for you a few times and you keep asking new questions

Note: This is a review on the pre-production GX800 model, and he only had 2 x 230w PSU's instead of the production 2 x 330w PSU's

 

Manual MUX switch implies hardware. Bios update is software. You can't add hardware with software. Sadly optimus reduces gaming performance and imposes the iGPU limits onto the dGPU which is why MSI opted to remove it.

It would be great as a switch, but I think they did away with them with Skylake notebooks.

 

The GT73VR and GT83VR have the MUX switch for this generation

The GT72VR and other models are either dGPU only, or Optimus... be careful

 

I'm only interested in the noise numbers, not looking on videos of different BGA books Please rather give me the numbers bro Thanks

 

Which is strange.. Why did MSI feel that their largest laptops needed a MUX switch for better battery life/efficiency? Lol. Sounds like a better choice to put it on their smaller units being more laptop-like.

 

"Near silent" isn't enough for you?

There are no noise numbers yet - production reviews haven't even been released.

So you can close your eye's knowing the P870DM3 is still the noisiest, hoping against hope a "Near silent" GX800 will measure higher "noise numbers" than those turbine engine fans in the P870DM3

 

An owner of the new Evo P650 posted a concise and very short description of the fan noise on his unit. You can read it here

Kindly can you compare that with your MSI GT62VR experience?

 

I agree, all the MSI models should have a MUX switch, and kill Optimus forever. It would save MSI money on support questions and make all MSI's laptop customers truly happy.

 

It's wild isn't it? We only talk about the MSI 16L13 here now, which isn't anywhere near a GT62VR...

@Diversion maybe add 16L13 to the title, or move all the 16L13 posts to a new 16L13 thread?

 

I rather prefer noisy fans than dealing with a big box and soldered hardware. Looking on bench runs done by Intel i7 BGA is almost the same as see paint dry on the wall. I can't get a kick out of this

You remember.. The @Papusan TS edition have a new package power feature. Bench with +-45w isn't fun Neither Or +-75w if you are lucky in the BGA lottery!!

 

hmscott, I did not get your response. I think you did not get my question.

 

I wasn't responding to your question, I was responding to the fact that your post was the first in a while that actually talked about the subject of this thread, the GT62VR.

Maybe someone with a GT62VR that's still hanging around can answer your question?

@ronferri - A number of video and written reviews of the GT62VR were posted early on in this thread, and some later as well, go back and read through the thread and you will find lots of useful information.

 

I don't know how to get the title changed.. I'll see if @Talon can get the title changed since this thread is half and half or nowadays more of a 16L13 thread lol.

Or perhaps we can start a new thread? Any suggestions?

 

I sent a mod request to create a new MSI barebones 16L13 Owners Lounge, and to move all the 16L13/barebones posts there, maybe if you ask as well, and @Talon does too, they will do it.

I think it would help if we gave the mods a list of the posts to move... do you or @Talon want to do that?