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Besides breaking personal benchmark records was there any benefit clocking the CPU that high for gaming?
Reason I ask is there is a point of diminishing returns where you have to balance temps and power , was a stable 4ghz not good enough?and what difference in temps do you see at 4ghz when gaming?
Besides going to the extreme and doing the whole delliding thing ( not for the weak of heart) I'm guessing a stable 4ghz is more than enough to handle every game smoothly while keeping temps in check.
I get why some people want to push the hardware to the limits what I'm trying to figure out is if it's worth it or not.
Thanks.

 

I tried configuring the Tornado F5 again (this time so I can match the GT62VR I'm eyeing from a spanish reseller), and the price with shipping fee and tax included is around 1962 EUR (6700k - GTX 1060 - 16GB DDR4 - 1TB + 256 SSD - Win10 Home). Btw, I know I can order the SSD and RAM myself so the price will be a lot lower if I configure 8GB DDR4, no SSD and no Win 10.

But let's get to the point. A reseller in Spain is offrering the GT62VR-6RD for 1500 Euros with the 6700HQ - GTX 1060 -16GB DDR4 - 1TB + 256SSD - Win 10 and 1700 Euros with the GTX 1070.

My question is the following: Considering the only benefit from having a barebone is the amazing CPU clock jump from 2.6Ghz to 4.0 while stock, is it worth it to pay almost 500 Euros (or, let's say 150 Eur less if I order parts myself) to jump from a 6700HQ to 6700K?

 

This makes me want a 6700T more than anything now :/ But I don't think the Z170 in the barebones would allow us to OC it anyways.

 

@SkidrowSKT
It might be depending on what your primary use is for it.
The best part of the barebones is you get a swappable BGA CPU and MXM GPU for potential future upgrades which in my opinion is more future proof than the standard GT62.
I would definitely at least get one with a GTX 1070, the 6700HQ will bottleneck some games ( is good enough for most ) and will be get more limited as time goes by.
@Diversion
How the heck did he get the 6700T to clock so high?
If you can use XTU to get full Turbo clocks on all four cores it would still be pretty darn good for such a low power CPU.
I know the new AW Alpha has the option for the 6700T so maybe we can find more info looking into that.

 

You have to overclock the BCLK with an enthusiast type motherboard.. You can't do it via software unfortunately. You can overclock any non-K series the BCLK method.

http://overclocking.guide/overclocking-non-k-intel-skylake-cpus-performance-tests/

 

The laptop will be a full desktop replacement, as I'll be moving for the next 2-3 years for studies.
At the moment I still own a 5YO Acer laptop with the i5-2430M, clocking at 2.4Ghz, and as far as I can recall, it has never been bottlenecked by the apps and games I've run. No dGPU is present.

Now, the primary stuff I'll be running are Photoshop/Vegas Pro (for club purposes, those run pretty fine on my current laptop, so I assume the 6700HQ won't break a sweat), demanding games like GTA V, Need For Speed, Forza Horizon 3, The Crew... I won't be running extremely demading games like the witcher 3, so the GTX 1060 will be sufficient (I've checked benchmarks and I don't need the extra horsepower and heat generated by the 1070).
And even the 6700HQ is said to not cause bottleneck, at least for the GTX 1060 (excluding CPU intensive games). I can't even be sure whether it'll handle the tasks I'll be doing on a daily basis. What do you guys think?
Daily use, nothing spectacular nor intensive apps and game wise. Will the 1060 and 6700HQ (or probably 7700HQ if I wait for some more time) be enough?

 

Would a Sharp LQ156D1JW04 panel work in the M16L13? I'm researching for a 4K panel I can put in this thing later.

 

Unless the game is very heavy CPU dependent then you're right I probably wouldn't realize any gain in the game or at least it may be minimal. Games like Arma 3 or Squad would most likely net me some sort of measurable gain though.

Right now I am testing 4.2ghz at -150mV as my 24/7 driver.

One thing is for sure you need to undervolt MY CPU as I discovered at stock voltage I saw it spiking to over 1.4v! That is insane amount of voltage for stock 4.0ghz. No idea why it's set that high or if its some sort of BIOS thing. If I had access to more bios options maybe I could tweak that a bit more. Usually stock or auto settings in BIOS for CPU are trash and far too conservative.

I've tested -170mV for me to be stable so far. No crashes yet. -180mV crashed eventually and -200mV was a fairly quick crash.

At stock CPU freq and -150mV yields excellent cpu temp gains and allows to the CPU to run on auto fans with 70-80C and temps damn quiet. Max fans yield around 60sC on CPU which for a 15" laptop with a gtx 1070 I find to be very good.

The answer to whether this laptop can handle the desktop 6700k is most definitely a yes for me. With liquid metal or possibly a better paste job (it may be good for me already) you might even shave off a few more degrees like @Diversion has shown.

 

Honestly I had the 6700hq and 1060 and it worked great. The 1060 I had was an excellent chip and overclocked +225mhz core without breaking a sweat or having access to the voltage and power. It ran everything I threw at it max details and settings 1080p. The 6700hq IMO is no where near sufficient for the gtx 1070 however.

You could build the barbones with the 6700k and 1060 if thats what you're looking for. It would shave off some costs. I highly recommend you do.

 

It has ARRIVED!

 

Where is the double like?

 

Kitty investigating..

 

http://imgur.com/EBR1LD8

4.2ghz idle/spotify open on desktop.

 

Let it play in the box after haha?

 

Screen looks identical between the two, picture just makes the barebones look pinkish on the side. Barebones does feel slightly lighter, but then again, I don't have my SSDs in it yet. And it seems I need to get in there to remove the 8gb stick from UNDER the mobo.. Not a fun job :/ Means I have to repaste this thing TODAY already.

Edit: Just kidding thankfully the 8gb stick was accessible under the cover.

 

I put a note for them to install the 8gb under the back cover and not below the keyboard.

Great pictures.

 

I'm so glad mine was the same because that is not a fun job.

 

The Barebones CPU heatsink:

Dual m2 slots:

 

You can find the "tornado " in Europe and so avoid import taxes

 

@Talon it looks like you can swap the headphone jack setup from the GT62 (which look nice) but I think the downside is that you have to remove the system board to do it.. Lol.

 

These photos are great Great comparison. Love seeing that beefy CPU heatsink for comparison.

 

Seriously, I had no idea the CPU heatsink on the barebones was so much larger. Makes more sense now how they are able to compensate going from 45W to 91W TDP.

 

1 extra CPU pipe over the 6700HQ model i'm sure helps a lot as well.

 

Are you repasting today? I am debating tearing mine down and getting it done. Been putting it off all weekend and I have to leave for a trip soon so its now or never. I don't have anything other than PK-3 and Thermal Grizzly on hand.

 

Yeah I likely will after I do some preliminary testing on their paste job to see what i'm working with first. Just got Win10 installed.. Thing is just as quiet as the GT62 lol.

 

She's as quiet sure, but the 6700k will warm her up fast. The fan tables are the same. Curious what you're stock cpu voltage is. Mine was hella high and I undervolted it to a normal level for the 4.0ghz clock.

 

Guys, UV noob here.sorry that i am changing a subtopic.
I am out of ideas.i browsed the google but not able to find some simple example in there.

That power limit throttling, what does it mean and how it's impacting the performance?
Should i play with max turbo and max turbo short values and increase the W values?
Could.somebody share the xtu stable setup/screenshot i can try to replicate?i mean some reasonable MPs around max Turbo = 36/37.
Thanksss.
I am playing with this all day... Either thermal or power throttle on P95 ..it's running thru my nose yet.

 

Power limit throttling usually indicates the BIOS stopping the CPU from getting the power it wants.. And or an underpowered PSU (but this isn't the case for you). Try undervolting the core and cache by -100mv and then running a bench and see if you're throttled.. I bet it clears it up. My GT62 power limit throttled until I undervolted. Lots of laptops do unfortunately.

 

Power limiting throttling means you're bouncing off the power limit. It appears you're already undervolted -105mV which is one way like @Diversion recommended to get under that hard limit. The other way you try and get a better overclock is to simply up the turbo boost power max. It looks like you're at 45w, set something like 60-70w.

 

@Talon
Thank you for the advice.
Unfortunately taking the 1060 over the 1070 only shaves around 82Euros. If I wanted to order from Eurocom, I might as well just take a 1070.

 

O I 100% agree. I would never recommend it, it just sounded like thats what you wanted. I would 100% get the 1070 as the performance difference is substantial for the price.

 

Of course I'd take a 1070 everytime. It's just that the pricing of the GT62VR in Spain is absymal for the 1070. A difference of over 300 Euros just to move from a 1060 from a 1070, and that's not something I can afford. Eurocom is making a massive great deal for those wanting a 6700k and a 1070. I'd definitely go for it if I happen to find a way to avoid the import tax. It's killing the price.

(im talking about the import tax because I do not live in Europe, but in very close to Spain).

 

as mentioned before, you can find it in Europe, for instance http://laptopparts4less.frl/15.6-in...r/MSI-MS-16L1-game-Pascal-laptop-samenstellen and http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Fangbook_4_XTREME_G-SYNC_1060/ 1060 and 1070

 

As I recall, when this all came out, the motherboard makers all(?) issued BIOS updates that turned off the ability to change the BCLK.

I suppose you could downgrade the BIOS, but you might miss out on some fixes and features.

IDK if the makers pulled the original BIOS's and only ship the modded ones in new motherboards, but it's definitely something to check out before buying a motherboard, if you plan to mod the BCLK.

 

The GT62VR also has an MXM GPU:

https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GT62VR-6RE-Dominator-Pro.html#hero-overview

 

@viw
Ill check those out, thanks!

Btw, I'm well aware the GPU in the standard GT62 is MXM. The point here is the massive difference in prices between the barebone and the standard unit for what you get. If MSI were to sell the barebone, it'd cost over 2500 bucks.

 

I'm not so sure that's true, as the 1070 is on average 26% faster than the 1060 @1440p and @1080p, which pushes the frame rate in high frame rate games up much higher than the refresh rate.

So if you rate limit the FPS to the refresh, you aren't generating so many FPS - erasing the CPU limiting factor at 1080p. If you run at 120hz you should be ok, 144hz or 165hz-200hz might be problematic.

If you use the power of the 1070 to run at 1440p or 4k, you are dropping the frame rate from the 1080p framerate, and there for reducing the CPU load.

I think the 1070 + 6700HQ could be a good match if you adjust your resolution to take advantage of the GPU, and keep the frame rate at your refresh rate, and at or below 120hz - but real measurements would be needed to be sure - @Diversion

Spoiler: Video with above graph

 

Times like these where living in the USA has its benefits.

 

I couldn't agree more.
Bleh, it looks like I'll just settle with the 6700HQ (or the 7700HQ if I wait) and the GTX 1060. It's the best option I can afford here for 1500EUR, and it suits my needs just fine (I need a daily user able to play games, not interested in overclocking or extra horsepower) and the reseller is only few miles away. Ordering from Eurocom or other barebone resellers will only bring me more hassle should anything wrong happen.

 

I have a pretty useless question but do you have a decent scale that can weigh a laptop by any chance? I was curious if both the gt62vr and the backbone are actually the same weight.

 

The 6700hq and 1060 are a great laptop. You won't be disappointed. I loved mine and would have been happy with it.

 

Thanks bruh.
I too was very happy with the choice I'm taking, but not after the wild barebones appeared. xD
I guess there will always be a degree of regret when buying a gaming laptop. It could prove to be a great option anytime, but something more superior always exists, and I must pay a lot more to have one.
Welp, since you say I won't be disappointed while you owned one, I guess it'll exceed my expectations as well. Thanks again!

 

Testing out a new device for cooling this beast. Not exactly a cooling pad but definitely something portable I can take with me that has the potential to really cool this laptop off.

 

I don't have a scale that can weigh over 4.5 lbs or so accurately, sorry. Working on getting one though.

 

So I repasted tonight with the CLP and I may have done a bad job because it almost seems worse on the CPU side.. But perhaps better on the GPU side. I wanted to de-lid the 6700K but didn't have a flat square blade razor.. I'll revisit again but the repaste was easy and man Eurocom used way too much IC Diamond on the CPU/GPU.. Just nasty.. That stuff smells terrible too.

Anyways..

Prime95 Small FPU AVX will TDP throttle the 6700K with stock voltage.. It will drop down to about 3.4-3.7ghz.

And running Prime95 Small FPU + Furmark will cause the CPU to almost hit 100C and throttles back to 3.3-3.4ghz.. And temps on the CPU side will still be around 95C :/

About to do my Witcher3 test for a gaming load..

 

@Talon I don't have the keyboard space issue at all so far! Seems much better if not completely fixed over here.

 

Mine occasionally will miss, but its very few and far between. Have you tested a undervolt? My stock voltage was hella high and way too high for a stock 6700k. Remember we don't have access to the same BIOS options a desktop would and it applying way way too much voltage for 4.0ghz. Most reviews I've read say 1.2v should yield 4.3ghz on nearly every 6700k they tested. I would start with a 150mV undervolt or whatever gets you around or below 1.2v under load.

 

I'm about to repaste my out of necessity to replace that damn wifi card. Bugs me because my temps are fine.

 

I feel like there's no way they can be the same weight... if anything the barebones should be heavier due to the beefier cooling.