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Yikes.. Witcher3 gets to 84c on the GPU and 99c on the CPU at stock settings.. Maybe my repaste is bad? Not sure if @Talon has Witcher3 to do the same test to confirm is something is up on my end.

 

Is that at stock or undervolted :O

 

Stock.

 

Some weird behavior.. You can't lock the 6700K to 800mhz.. it just pins to 1600mhz no matter what you do. Even with XTU and ThrottleStop. Oh well, makes for an easy "Power save" profile in this case.

Undervolting helps CPU temps tremendously.. But Prime95 will still get it to 90+C.. I crashed at -165 on the core at stock clocks.. Having a hard time finding the right amount of undervolt though.

 

The flexibility of the 6700K is amazing though.. I set it to 3.1ghz under max load like the 6700hq and netted the same exact temps as my other 6700HQ GT62VR with the same undervolt settings.

And surprisingly, it's still stable up to 3.4ghz under max load with very low temps up 70c (Prime95 Blend). So now i'm at 6700T stock settings but probably can't match the voltage of that CPU.

Ultimately the best thing about this setup is that you can be a low power CPU, you can be a high power and anything in between.

Sad to say, my thoughts are that the 6700K at 4ghz at stock settings is kind of a half acceptable, half unacceptable. When you factor in a triple A game that is taxing the CPU and the GPU at the same time.. The temperatures are pretty bad. It looks like undervolting and downclocking the CPU a bit still nets you the same FPS but saves on temps a great deal.

I guess it's much like those folks with 6820HK running at 4ghz+ where yes, it's doable and "stable".. but the temps can be a problem when mixed with gaming.

The upside, the unit is very quiet like the GT62VR.. And when you set it to a meager 3.1ghz like the 6700hq model, it gives me the "best of all worlds" type of scenario.. I can do what I want with this machine and that's the biggest plus.

I'm going to repaste the GPU tomorrow as my temps seem higher than desirable.. Still hitting 84c in Witcher3 when I set the cpu to 3.1ghz to try to match the GT62VR. I should be able to get down to 78C with the same setup.

 

@Diversion
I was getting 81/83° on CPU/GPU with the GT60 on really demanding games (Crysis 3, Arkham Knight, GTA V). And it was a 4700mq plus 980m combo. The 6700k is higher than normal but the 1070 seems fine for what it packs.

 

Is there an app to control the fan curve? The laptop seems to run extremely quiet, but I wonder if it's because the fan curve is too conservative at stock settings.

 

MSI Dragon Center will let you create custom curves.

 

You are hitting these temps with a higher than stock fan profile and an undervolt? No way. I am able to game at a full 4.0ghz and 1070 and keep temps way under control, even very acceptable levels.

Just got back from a repaste and got my intel 8260 installed. Whew that was a process to say the least lol. Took me a lot longer than my old GT60 but there are twice as many fans and a serious amount of screws on those heatsinks. I also took my time to make sure I didn't fumble anything.

 

Does a notebook cooler help at all with temps?
It's a bummer that temps are so much higher with a K series CPU but that's what I suspected.
Can you guys test out settings of a stock i7-6700 ( base 3.4GHz-turbo 4.0Ghz at 65W) on your K series if possible?
Was wondering what to expect if I order with the 6700.
Thanks

 

seriously those temp is great, especially given cpu at 4.2ghz and only at 2600 rpm for fan. i'd assume max fan can go upwards 3500 or even 4000. MSI laptop got some good fans. are they 12v or 5v?

 

@Diversion

If you can't manage to keep the 6700k at 4ghz and reasonable temps, and instead switched to the old 3.1 / 3.4 Ghz, what's the point of upgrading over a 6700HQ? I mean, yes, you can OC again to stock freqs but wouldn't those temps damage the CPU in the long run?

 

No that mostly stock.. Although even with an undervolt Prime95 Small FPU will still get it incredibly hot but outside of that test, it's relatively decent temps at 4ghz.. Do you notice it's actually running at 3.990ghz? I don't know why, but the BCLK is set to 99.797 or something.

I'm still working on a stable undervolt at 4-4.2ghz but again, like I said, most people will buy this laptop and starting triple A gaming with the CPU at stock settings and they will be probably concerned/flipping out with their CPU hitting in the upper 80s, lower 90s..

Undervolting is almost required on this laptop.. But it sure is fun! I'm going to delid as I expect it to help a lot in our setup with temps.

 

Temps get extremely better once you start downclocking/undervolting. I matched a 6700T, and 6700(non-K) and it was easily 15 degrees or more.

 

I never said I was permanently switching, I just wanted to know that is it 100% possible to downclock to match the wattage of other CPUs in the line up while also achieving nearly the same exact temperatures under the same exact loads.

This is a good way to test the thermal capacity of the heatsink/fans on both the GT62 and 16L13.

And so far if you don't undervolt, the thermal capacity of the heatsink/fans is about 3.7-3.8ghz tops. You have to also factor in a gpu load as there's a shared heatpipe which lowers capacity.

If you undervolt, things obviously change a lot.. I can hold 4ghz in the 80s with Prime95 Small FPU and in the upper 70s everything else..

So I would switch to 4ghz when I need to encode videos/render. And probably switch down to 3.4ghz or so for normal use/gaming. That's the beauty of a K series CPU.. It's a do it all.

 

I'd rather have the barebones over the GT62 any day of the week just knowing I can do what I want with the CPU.. I'm not knocking the barebones in any way other than the 6700K at stock settings is a bit rough on the unit.. and to be honest, it's exactly what I expected. There's probably only a few laptops that can handle the 6700K at stock settings as if it were in a desktop though.

@Talon is there a "Audio manager" type program that we have for our units? We have the Soundblaster Cinema suite but there's no actual audio panel to tune treble/bass, etc. yet.

 

Ye, I get your point. The barebones ensures not only the flexibility of the CPU usage, but also future upgradability.
You just made it seem like undervolting is a bit tricky on high freqs and that keeping the 6700k under high temps is not healthy for the laptop. And that's why I assumed you'd hardly be back to 4ghz, knowing that is the main purpose of a desktop CPU.

 

Not too tricky, I seem to be stable around -150mv at 4-4.2ghz and shaved off about 10c in the process. I feel like as long as you're either doing only CPU stuff at 4+ghz, it's a good way to use the extra cpu.. but for gaming, I just don't see the point of it.. I know some games are CPU bottlenecked but so far i've seen 3.0ghz being just fine with no bottlenecking problems with the games i've tried and you save on temps a ton.. Again, it's just nice being able to switch up the wattage/heat on the fly with the 6700K.

If anything, a 6700K is a better choice over a 6820HK because it's guaranteed to do 4.2ghz whereas people can get a bum 6820HK and only do a 3.8ghz stable.

 

Glad I waited to place my order on the gt62vr. I think I'll go for this model haha.

Intel XTU can be used with this model to tweak the cpu or it needs to be TS only?

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Edit: Throttlestop or XTU will work on the 6700HQ for undervolting..

What makes you glad? Running the 6700K at even a few hundred mhz higher than the GT62VR's 6700hq is about the same temps. You get more speed at the same power draw because of the flexibility of the 6700K.

But you get better warranty on the GT62VR, and it does just run cold and quiet more often than the 6700K barebones.

 

I mean, I though that the 6700k would be too hot to handle for the barebone. But I was wrong and the notebook is indeed a great performer, so I'll go for the barebones instead of the msi gt62vr

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Man, I'm starting to wish Eurocom was few miles away so I can go grab one.
I want the F5 so bad. If it wasn't for the shipping fees and taxes I must pay to get myself a tornado F5 (price jumps from 1550 Euros to 1990), I would have instantly gotten one. Warranty could also prove troublesome for barebones, but that wouldn't turn me off. I just can't afford it.
A spanish reseller however is only 25 miles away, and they confirmed selling GT62VR in the future. I can grab one for 1400EUR, fully equipped with a 256GB SSD.

 

I mean, i'm not going to sugar coat what i'm experiencing with the 6700K in the MSI.. Even if I de-lid and repaste and achieve 8C off temps, it's not going to completely alleviate that it *CAN* get hot in the unit..

I'm probably a rare use case type of person that can be rendering/encoding content for up to 4+ hours at a time which uses light AVX functions so long term temperatures at XXXX speeds are very important to me. I don't think there's any point in trying to achieve a daily driven 6700K over stock speeds.. Every 100mhz more CPU core speed added is about 10-15 more watts so that's also equally a lot more heat you need to somehow handle.

That being said, a heavily undervolted 6700K at stock speed is probably the safest way to do it if you HAVE to HAVE 4ghz speeds. I bought the 6700K not expecting to be able to just hammer the CPU at it's stock speeds.. I already knew it wasn't going to be something you could bench 24/7 and not expect high temperatures with some throttling. I bought it knowing I could create a flexible performance flow on my machine at any instant.. If i'm plugged in and need to re-encode a video before a flight, I know that I can run my 4+ghz profile and get the job done about 30-35% faster than the 6700HQ can do it. Then I can back off to a meager 3ghz (or even less) to extend my battery life..

Speaking of battery life, I got almost 3.5 hours lounging around with the 6700k (at stock clocks even) with stock voltage.. just downloading a ton of apps and installing those apps.. I saw no battery life difference from the barebones to the GT62VR.

 

The GT62VR is a wonderful machine still.. It's just if you're okay with BGA cpu or not is really the only deciding factor. If you're okay with the 6700HQ (unless you can score a 6820HK) for a while then you're good to go.

Honestly I don't need and nobody else needs a 6700K or desktop level cpu.. It's just about having fun and tinkering with it and seeing what you can get it to do.

 

Does the bios allow you to disable hyperthreading? If you're just gaming and don't anticipate heavily threaded workloads, you could try disabling hyperthreading to drop temps even more.

 

The GPU being MXM in the GT62VR is satisfactory enough. I have been using a Dual i5 2430M for 5 years and it is still never breaking a sweat during daily use and heavy applications, and it is clocked at 2.4ghz. The 6700HQ will smash my current CPU anytime and it even has 2 additional cores. I'll be fine.

 

You can just get 6600K too it might overclock better thanks to lower temps overall.

 

I'm not sure, I was in the bios briefly and it's very much the same setup as the GT62.. very locked down and basic settings..

Thanks for remind me of the bios, apparently the Fangbook 4 has a fully unlocked BIOS and is on the Z170 platform as well.. I bet we could flash it.

 

Yes not sugar coating it the 6700K in this 15" can get warm at stock levels for me. The default BIOS is applying way too much voltage and as such you need to undervolt it to get it to acceptable/normal levels for the stock clock speeds. Looking online confirms this. I run my 6700k at stock 4.0ghz with an undervolt of -160mV. Hasn't crashed yet. Typing this out with fans at stock/silent I am at 35-45C fluctuating.

While playing BF4 I keep the CPU at stock 4.0ghz and bump my fans up and the system can game for hours with CPU around 65-70C with fluctuations here and there, and GPU around 66-69C also fluctuating. So with the proper undervolt and the fans ramped up yes you can comfortably keep it under control for gaming at 4.0ghz.

Simply put I am very happy with the performance and cooling capability. The system is far from overheating and no where near throttling when tuned. If you didn't have the ability to tune it and keep performance then yes I would be mad and not wanting it. As it stands the laptop is what I've been looking for. Great performance in a fairly portable package.

@Diversion Yes I also notice 3990+-. The BCLK for whatever reason is slightly lower.

Also when I repasted last night after install of the wifi card I noticed my 1070 has a little green wire soldered on to it. What could that be? gsync? If you removed the 1070 you would most definitely break the little cable.

 

Yes you can.

 

I'm sure we can cross flash and alternatively could ask SVET at MSI to get us an unlocked BIOS. That would allow for more fine tuning of the 6700k.

 

I shared the Barebones picture over at PCMR reddit sub and it got quite a few responses and questions. A lot of people love the discrete look, the price and performance of this laptop. Many wanting to know where to buy it.

 

Can you please share your undervolt settings at 4ghz and give me a test/situation (free app or bench) so I can compare my CPU to yours to see if we're both getting the same temperatures.. It could be that my paste job is bad.. or something else.

I may end up repasting when I get home from work because something doesn't sit right with me.. I feel like i'm experiencing higher temps than you are.

 

Link? I'm on Reddit I'll contribute my photos over there as well.

 

Before I go bugging those awesome guys for a modded bios, i'll see if I can get my hands on a flashable stock one from CyberpowerPC which is the same as our unit. Apparently it has a "more" unlocked bios at least.. We should be able to set a static tune in the bios like a desktop.. so that would be nice.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterra...attlefield_1_ready_laptop_gtx_1070_and_6700k/

 

Simply have Intel XTU installed and running -160mV on core voltage offset, which also offsets the cache voltage the same amount. All other settings are default.

I'll run a firestrike normal bench (without demo) right now at stock fan profile. This will give me us a baseline.

My house is fairly cool around 70-71F with AC

A stock fan profile firestrike run with undervolt gave me:

CPU Max Temps:
78
80
75
76

GPU Max Temp:
67

Max CPU Voltage: 1.249v
.

 

Use Cinebench R15 to measure general CPU load. Prime95 is unreasonably hard on the system, and most of anything will never push the CPU as hard. Cinebench is a more "realistic" load.

 

Happy Birthday @Talon

 

I'll download that.

 

Wow, 100% CPU usage "problem" solved - it's a performance feature of MSI Dragon Center to improve performance - it fools the system into thinking there is high usage when there isn't - see 04:00 forward to 4:57

This feature is on other MSI laptops too... a simple toggle off.

 

Oh wow, excellent find. I had seen other videos about performance "issues" with GE63 and part of the solution was to simply get rid of dragon center and other MSI apps. Which means this toggle thing might actually hurt performance over sustained gaming etc.

 

Products can always be further defined to suit someone's needs, but if I am going with mobile then I wouldn't consider a desktop processor in it. Besides, CPUs nowadays don't bottleneck gaming performance but GPU.

 

Agreed!

GT62VR is one of the most balanced, well done machines in recent times. 6700HQ is a great processor, I just wish MSI USA would at least give us the option for 6820HK

That being said, The barebones is for the more specialized user, as you can custom build it and really shine if you tweak it. Otherwise, most folk might be better off with the branded and 6700hq version, to ensure absolute low temp even under load.

 

Went ahead and de-lid the 6700K and re-did my paste jobs..

 

Well that's shocking.. Temps dropped about 15c maybe a little more on the CPU side from the de-lid.. I can actually run prime95 small FPU at about 85c whereas before it was hitting 100c. On stock voltage and clocks.

Now with an undervolt, i'm however around 80c.. Looking good so far.. Very impressed.

 

Oh wow, I've heard deliding helped but that's a sizable drop in temps. Congrats!

 

Wow! 15° is a lot..what paste did you use? The liquid metal one?
Should be more stable now that you got lower

 

Cool labs Liquid Pro on the IHS, the actual CPU cooler, and the GPU.

Well I can certainly see using it at 4ghz without as much "worry/fear".

 

More peace of mind yeah
Why on the IHS if you removed it? Maybe you ment in the die itself