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Doubt it can compare to liquid metal though :/ The factory paste MSI used looked like a silver based one, definitely better than most OEM uses and still had a pretty great improvement over that.

 

Eurocom won't delid and do a TIM job.. But i'll be doing one

 

A comprehensive test of the 6700t (in Czech but with a lot of graph: http://pctuning.tyden.cz/hardware/procesory-pameti/40659?start=1). Google translate of the conclusion: 'Core i7-6700T processor is interesting that surprised. I feared that paper specifications with low bars will mean significantly less power than the Core i7-6700 (K). It was not confirmed, performance is lower on average only about 11 to 13% reduction in consumption of 54 W. And it is absolutely great result. Also clocking option (albeit bastlířským way) is great and can be useful. The ideal issue for most compact and efficient machine gaming or high-end HTPC. The price is higher, but it is rather a premium product for a specific use and users - and that a better performance pay extra.' Seems no that bad. ( @hmscott ?)
[edit: used manly in AIO it seems https://nl.hardware.info/producten/2563/13431-intel-core-i7-6700t-systemen?page=1)

 

This is a great thread, I had fun reading about how amazing the Barebone actually is!
I tried configuring a Tornado F5 with pretty much all the necessary components (since I have none saved), no OS, and the price quote I got was 1900 Euros with the 20% tax. I'm too poor to afford it.

 

@Talon
When tearing down your laptop how good/bad was Eurocom's paste job?
I know every laptop will be not be done exactly the same but it would be good to get an idea how they got the job done.
Really considering getting the K version of the CPU since temps seem decent enough while still having the same relatively silent fans of the stock GT62.
@Diversion
Nice to see you getting your laptop soon and CLU works as good as advertised.
Is it easy to work with like your more typical TIM?
Never tried the stuff myself but with liquid in the name I picture it looking like mercury rolling around at room temp, but I'm weird like that.
I know ICD is a good enough TIM that Eurocom uses but it would be great to see them offer more options like CLU even if you had to pay a couple of bucks more.
Before you guys say "well you can easily repaste your hardware yourself " I'm a lazy bastard and can but would rather not have to do it.
Only thing I want to do when I get my laptop is slap a spare M2 500 GB SSD and extra Samsung 500 GB SSD and be up and running ASAP!

Quick question about the optional 330W power supply, with the K series CPU is it really needed or can you get away with the stock 230W power supply even if you want to push it a bit by OCing?
Anyway to see the power draw of all components under full load?
Would be interesting to see how much of a difference over the stock GT62.
Congrats guys! will be joining you guys soon enough after deciding on my final build.

 

I emailed Eurocom about the PSU a while ago, and they recommended the 330W. However, clearly the notebook runs just fine on 230W as seen in Talon's case. I would say, get the 330W if you're paranoid (like me), but the 230W will probably do fine. In my particular case, the extra cost of the 330W PSU (+$67) was offset by the fact that I downgraded my CPU to the 6600k (-$83). Combined with the student program, I walked away with quite the deal...

 

Sounds like the MSI 16L13 will be my holiday gift to myself.

Plan on just going the cheapest route (EDIT: 1070 + 6700K from Eurocom) and buying m.2, RAM, OS, etc. (EDIT: separately from either NewEgg or Amazon) and upgrading the storage drive and laptop screen down the line.

Is the 8GB default stick behind the keyboard as well or in the memory slots?

 

A little dated, from 2014, but it's interesting that Corsair sponsored a 16F4 barebones notebook build, early history of the 16 series



How to Build a Barebones Gaming Notebook
By Dustin Sklavos, on April 16, 2014 08:52 PM
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2014/april/how_to_build_a_barebones_gaming_notebook

 

Not sure myself but you can always ask the reseller to put the RAM behind the keyboard and leave the others empty for easy access.

 

Did you ask Eurocom what connector was on the PSU / laptop, and if they supplied an adapter or is the PSU natively set up with the same connector as on the laptop (or the other way around)?

We need to get a Kill A Watt® meter on the 16L13 at full CPU + GPU load, and find out the maximum wattage used - on both the 230w and 330w power supplies.
http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html

I think the maximum load would be approximately 90w + 50w + 120w = 260w, but that would only show accurately when drawn from the 330w PSU.

 

Or hopefully I can ask them to cut the 8GB module for an additional price-cut? How flexible is Eurocom when it comes to that?

 

It makes a difference, as the enthusiast paste is focused on lowering the temperature, not long life.

The trade-off is you are now married to re-pasting on a schedule to keep the same temperatures. Even CLU / CLP will oxidize over time causing a temperature increase.

With the MSI / Asus / ? stock paste you are sacrificing some temperature for no-maintenance consistency over the entire life of the laptop.

It would be an unusual situation where that repasting temperature improvement made a measurable performance improvement, or to extend the life of the parts in any measurable way.

This doesn't apply to the barebones MSI 16L13 because it's CPU is added by the boutique dealer during assembly, so the paste they use isn't going to be that long-lasting MSI paste... so either way you will likely need a repaste in the future anyway, you might as well upgrade to CLU

 

Gents I haven't abandoned the thread. Just been busy and had a wedding last night for a family friend.

Did a bit of testing again today and a few things I'm noticing.

The 230w power adapter while adequate to play with without fear of shutdown the laptop GPU isn't boosting properly or I got a crap sample. My GTX 1060 boosted wel beyond stock boost value out of the box and when overclocked it did 1880-2000+MHz.

This 1070 is boostinf below stock boost value when under load. It does go beyond when overclocked but I haven't been able to get above 1800mhz. even above 1700mhz seems to be a challenge and is taking +160mhz core.

I watched a strix 1070 laptop video and that card stock was doing 1750mhz and above. I think it was stock.

Battery is draining during gaming which means the 230w is being supplemented by the battery.

This could be the reason the 1070 can't boost and maybe I need a 330w adapter. It could also be I got a crap 1070. Either way the performance is great and your mileage may vary. Maybe I'll need to get another MSI laptop and swap the 1070s lol.

It's not temp related as with a -150mV on CPU and max fan I was at 60-65C CPU and 66C GPU when overclocked. The strix laptop for comparison was 78C on GPU.

I'll do more testing and update.

 

Thats the one thing I was a bit worried about getting a K series CPU and the stock PSU, I guess Eurocom recommends the 330W PSU with good reason.

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15213041?

Completely Stock.

 

MSI True Color profiles are accessible through Dragon Center. Unfortunately it seems you are set with only the stock 5 profiles and do not have the ability to set user profiles or tweak them.

 

Interesting they are saying the 6700T can be overclocked in this review to 4.8ghz lol.

 

So, is the 6700T really a 6700T K ?

Although you could OC to 4.8ghz, what would be the sustained power draw with that 35w limit?

Would you be able to overshoot that 35w in a sustained usage? Or is there a timeout/limit that applies?

(no I didn't read the whole article yet )

 

Cool video.. everything looks so dated even though it's from 2014 lol. I didn't realize MSI was making barebones back then.. I wonder what their "original" barebones was.

 

I have a Kill-A-Watt.. so I can at least test the 230watt.

 

Seems normal, my 1070 does the same thing.. It rarely boosts.. Only on light games to be honest. the only way to get counter is to overclock the core so that you can just run higher base clocks.. And it works a treat.. I think it's the vBios they are using on the 1070 in the MSIs making them more conservative? I really can't explain it but with a small overclock, we are faster than desktop 1070s at stock speed.. so I feel that we're not slow by any means, it just seems these don't like to easily boost clock after a certain gpu load is there.

 

They overclocked it using the BCLK instead of multipliers since those are locked.. Speaking of BCLK overclocking.. Can you OC the BCLK using Throttlestop/XTU? I can't figure it out unless it's this Clock modulation percent but I don't think that's it.

 

this could be a nice laptop for travelling purposes. its small in size and got power too, i'd say for 1070 is more than it needs for pretty much anything else. hows the battery in this thing?

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15214797?

Completely stock.. You're normal bruh. And killing it on the CPU side

 

And my max 1070 oveclock:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15214886?

 

Acer Predator with the weak flimsy 6700Hq and 1070 pumps out 223w. 6700K and 1070 does not allow for much pranks with a weak flimsy 230W PSU http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Predator-17-G9-793-Notebook-Review.173668.0.html

 

Someone source a decently priced 330watt.. lol. I want to keep the 230watt in my backpack and keep the 330watt at my house where I dock to!

 

Cheaper with a 330W first time, than obtain a replacement PSU after warranty expired

 

Thank you @Papusan !!

That 223w will likely increase another 45w+ as the 6700k is pushed to it's limits - maybe much higher as I recall the 6700k has been measured to draw more than 100W on it's own.

223w+45w = 267w , maybe more - that's why we need to measure it.

 

Acer BGA run stock. How about a serious OC on a 6700K and 1070? Briefly... Say goodbye to this flimsy 230W

 

16f4(not L4) is a pretty old one, barebone for GT60. Back to that time, cpu are still socket and msi have nearly barebones for every model they sell, like ge60, gt60, gt70.

 

Fixed my post

 

6700T is not 6700TK, otherwise any skylake cpu can be called 6___K since they can OC BCLK in supported motherboard. LINK
So I think you need motherboard support to oc BCLK which I believe barebone z170 wont be able to..

 

Maybe not the barbone model, but Z170 can.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3083043_pkbo_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_6700t_11.96_points

@Talon Have you OC options in the bios? Is it fully unlocked or is bios locked like a virgin?
Time for overclocking of your 6700K

 

I had no idea this thing even at stock is such an impressive beast. The 6700k unlocks the performance. I'm extremely pleased with it so far. It's handling the 230w fine, but with you're right I'll run out of room if not already with this 230w PSU. Thankfully this thing is for travel and I'm not looking to break any records. I'll leave my desktop to the heavy overclocking.

 

I have a kill-a-watt and a 330W PSU. Now if only my laptop would kindly arrive faster

 

BIOS looks like your typical locked down MSI crap. I'm sure I can get SVET over at MSI to unlock me. I had him unlock my GE62, but this time it will finally make sense. Overclocking is supported VIA XTU and Throttlestop I'm sure.

 

@Papusan You're at 4.8ghz

 

Yeah figured it was a regular non enthusiast BIOS.. Maybe someone can figure out how to allow us to flash an unlocked BIOS on the units one day!

 

Did you check the link in my reply? It's not about Z170 or H170, its a external clock generator that must be on the motherboard.

 

Tomorrow is the day Diversion. I'm expecting great things from you.

 

Msi should awoke from their dormancy and launched laptop models with desktop processors. More meaningful in laptops designed for high performance. 6700Hq / 6820Hk should only been used in laptops in 15 inches size or smaller. A 6700T can nicely replace the junky 6700HQ in the larger models if people don't want maximum performance or pay higher price.

Edit @Aisaka Taiga

 

I think if more people knew this laptop existed with the desktop CPU it would be a lot more popular. All we can do is spread the word and convert people and MAYBE MSI will take notice.

 

Wice words. Rep added

 

Yeah. Done bench for you @4.8GHz and 4.5GHz

4.5GHz Maxed 48C degrees in Cinebench R15


@4.8GHz


LIQUID METAL IS

 

Those results are... ridiculous

I am way too much of a scaredy cat to delid my CPU though, so I can only dream of such clock speeds

 

@Papusan that CPU has to be delidded yes? Those temps are insane. It's making me think I should go that route. I was going to use either my PK-3 or Thermal Grizzly that I have on hand when I repaste. The laptop came with ICD7 from Eurocom. I've never really been a fan of ICD7 as it can scratch the **** out of a die if removed improperly or without patience.

 

Yeah, Delidded and with Liquid Metal. Everything else is not usable. That's me And I can not understand why people complaining about ICD (A very good thermal paste). Use time during the cleaning and everything will be good Same if you use Liquid metal.

 

I clocked up to 4.4ghz on all 4 cores and holy hell. Hot potato! There is simply no way I can use that unless I delidd and use liquid metal. Not only that the voltage required was insane. I left voltage at stock but it was pulling upwards of 1.4 something. Wayy too much voltage.

I run my 5820k @4.2ghz on 6 cores with 1.17v in bios and it fluctuates in windows real world usage.

 

Maybe you should go into TS guide and pick up Throttlestop from @unclewebb 's sig.
Yeah, 1.4 is more for [email protected]/4.9 GHz. + 1.4 smells like 6820BGA at 4.1 GHz