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Won't be an issue keeping this thing under control and not thermally throttling. Especially when using coooer boost. I was able to overclock the 1070 already. Will play with it more later after dinner.

 

I'm constantly refreshing this thread to get the latest update i love it 8D

 

Stopping to eat at a time like this!!!!

 

Monday can't come fast enough haha never wanted to nearly dismiss a weekend to get my new shiny toy before.

 

Ok updates:

The keyboard is multicolored and exactly the same as the one in the GT62, minus that space bar issue that is on the GT62 for some users. However, Steel series Engine thus far seems no go. This isn't an issue as MSI Dragon Center installs perfectly, recognizes the Tornado F5 and even allows you pair you laptop to that dragon gaming app on your phone.

MSI SCM manager also works perfectly. MSI True Color is a NO GO.

@Diversion I think you're going to be very happy with this thing man. It's a total beast when you need it, and can be tamed and tuned down when you don't. I can't wait for you to get yours and give me your opinion. So far its all the positives of the GT62 with a cleaner look and a beast under the hood.


I did make one total mess up when ordering mine. I ordered the cheapest Realtek wifi card planning to install my own. Well installation requires you totally remove the heatsink assembly as the wifi card is located under it. Ugh. I decided for today I will test the system before I decided to tear down heatsink to install my 8260. It will require me to repaste and clean it all up. No biggie, but I was too excited to put myself through that right off the bat. In addition I wanted to ensure the system worked fine before I got tearing it apart haha.

Bottom line so far is that the system does run a bit warmer than my 6700HQ, but not ridiculously warmer. It's totally acceptable for the level of performance and the extra 900mhz on all 4 cores when loaded up. Under gaming load it was about 10C hotter on both the CPU/GPU than my GT62VR with 6700hq and 1060. This could easily be attributed to the fact I had a 1060 and now have a much hungrier 1070. This machine easily handles the 6700k at 4.0ghz on all 4 cores and the 230w power supply allowed me to game with zero throttling or issue and even had the 1070 overclocked +150mhz on the core.

 

Yikes, but I hate using Dragon Center.. It messes with the Embedded Controller bios (EC) and the fan curves.. But I guess i'll have to learn to live with it if it's the only thing that makes the Keyboard work.

Well i'm stoked to hear you're loving it and it sounds like a true portable desktop powerhouse.. And yep, when you need to use it on battery you can just run a massive underclock/undervolt and probably get 3+ hours.. As long as you can net the same wattage or lower than the 6700HQ it should get the same or more battery life!

Also sounds like gaming with pretty intense games with the CPU going at 4ghz and the 1070 with an OC doesn't seem to give you problem with the 230watt.. even more impressive!

And about the Realtek card, oops! Well - when you tear it down, you get to use some quality paste/liquid metal now! Probably find some better temps along the way Perhaps if you're feeling gutsy, a de-lid and repaste on the TIM.

 

Here's a thought.. Where do we get the latest updates/bios for the barebones? There's nothing official out there so I guess we'll have to bug Eurocom to contact MSI for updates?

 

Edit: So actually this isn't a GT62 - if it's got a different motherboard chipset and the BIOS isn't compatible, it's only related to the GT62 by general form factor similarities.

Don't do this => Has anyone tried flashing the MSI GT62 version?

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/support/GT62VR-Dominator-Pro-6th-Gen-GTX-1070.html#down-bios

 

What kind of fixes does the bios update offer? Anything major?

I had to email Eurocom to get the updated bios for my M5 Pro. They sent me a download link and very detailed instructions. I think they don't trust the average user with bios flashing lol.

 

I am pleasantly surprised, looks like the notebook is performing beyond my expectations, I'm shocked how power efficient the i7 and 1070 are. By chance, is there any noticeable battery drain when under load? I remember reading about how some laptops with small PSUs would start drawing from the battery when under max load (CPU + GPU load).

 

I wouldn't even try that.. it would likely reject the update knowing it doesn't match.. Plus the GT62VR is on a mobile Intel chipset and the barebones is on a desktop Z170 platform.

It *might* take a MSI bios made for desktop motherboards (the non Enthusiast versions).

 

Can definitely improve various CPU problems/issues that may come to light down the road.. Normally it's not a huge deal but sometimes it can improve battery life, system stability and or interrupt requests in the OS that are clashing with other components come to mind. Always running the latest is a good idea.

 

So actually this isn't a GT62 - if it's got a different motherboard chipset and the BIOS isn't compatible, it's only related to the GT62 by general form factor similarities.

FYI, I did find a "Barebones" tab in the Warranty Section:
https://us.msi.com/page/warranty

 

I'll be exploring the bios setup and see if it has a safe guard system to allow you to revert back to stock if you manage to flash an unauthorized bios to it.. I was able to acquire the latest bios for the 980M Z170 bios from the previous MSI 16L11. It very well could be the same motherboard (with power modifications).

 

Correct, this is a full DTR setup in a GT60/62 body. It's a custom Z170 board.. I'll check out the link, thanks!

 

wow amazing MSI housing a desktop CPU? thumbs up. put this into a flag ship laptop GT83 next gen and im all game.

@hmscott msi can do it if they try . the extra performance is AWESOME. thanks for posting this info.

@Mr. Fox @Papusan @TBoneSan @mason2smart @Cass-Olé

 

I believe the MSI 16L1/1/2/3 are the only MSI barebones they've made as a full DTR setup inside a 15" frame. They started with the Maxwell GPUs with 970M/980M last year. Not much info from those models as nobody wanted to take the plunge, probably scared it would be too extreme in such a small frame.. but as we're proving, it's a great setup and runs safe and cool "enough".

Prime95 AVX + Furmark would probably shut the system down with the 230watt PSU.. but outside of that unlikely scenario.. @Talon seems to be experience nothing but good things and feelings about it. Can't wait to get mine!

 

with the 1070 is that soldered? GPU soldering imho is worse than cpu soldering lol.
also where can we find to purchase this barebone?

 

No. The 1070 is MXM.

 

MXM.. fully upgradeable little machine!! Are you in the USA? Right now only Eurocom.com and CyberpowerPC.com carry the MSI barebones.

 

Is the 1060 version MXM? Could i buy the 1060 now and upgrade later when needed? I will probably just go for the 1070 version as Witcher 3 at 60 FPS with Hairworks on seems like a very attractive option :x

Part of me feels that the 1060 probably destroys 1080p for the most part. 150 extra dollars for the 1070 is almost too good to pass up though

 

Yes, the 1060 is MXM, but MXM graphic cards are typically way more expensive than their desktop counterparts. You would be paying quite a premium if you got the 1060 now, then upgraded to a 1070 later.

 

Don't get the 1060 version.. not worth it when it's a small price to bump to 1070.

 

Yea i think you guys are right, i realised when i was rereading that the cost of upgrading will probably be far more than 150. At the moment the 1070 version goes for around 2000 English pounds which is about 2600 dollars ( my home country and where i will be returning in a year and a half ) but because I'm living in Japan and can buy from the US i will be saving a huge amount of money.

Actually i expect i could get within 10-20% when i come to resell in a year and a half depending on other circumstances due to the difference in cost, this makes it one hell of an investment. I might be missing something here but the costs of importing a Laptop to japan are fairly minimal, my friend who got an apache for as similar price paid 50 quid shipping and about 70 dollars for what ever tax it was they charged him for.

I look forward to hearing what you guys have to say about your new laptops when they arrive.

Check out this review guys, i felt it was not only a poor review but also factually incorrect (made my feelings apparent in the comments section like some dam white knight defending his potential purchase) - for reference they gave the GT62VR with a 1070 a 2 and a half star rating and basically said it was completely immobile (3kg, really!?) whilst praising the GL502 despite it's incredibly high temps.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...books/msi-gt62vr-dominator-pro-1329537/review
Just curious as to what you guys feel about that review

Nvm seems like my comment got deleted, free speech **** ye!

 

if this barebone had been going on for awhile then we prob wont see a desktop cpu in their flagship laptop. donno what msi is afraid of tbh.

 

waiting for the internal...

 

You don't need using Dragon Center. You will get a program called KLM, that program adjust the keyboard. For the fans you can use "Silent option". You will get that too, it's for adjusting the fans. I got all the drivers on a CD, but you can download all drivers and stuff on Eurocom homepage.

 

Super exciting times for you guys, keep the reviews/impressions coming! Wish I could join the happy club of barebone testers.

My current situation:

1. The barebone is only available through one reseller here (Poland), and currently out of stock as they're waiting for a new shipment. I don't know if they're going to have the 1070s available as the previous batch they had was 1060s only.
2. GT62VRs are readily available in several configs. They're slightly cheaper (~5%) than an equivalent barebone, the only difference being the CPU (6700K in the barebone, 6700HQ in the GT62VR).
3. The price premium for the 1070 over the 1060 in GT62VR is rather painful - about 340 USD. It's likely going to be about the same for the barebone, if it's available with the 1070 at all.

I'd prefer the 6700K barebone for the obvious performance boost. Apart from gaming and heavy multitasking (lots of Excel spreadsheets and the like) I do some heavy audio work, and that can max out any CPU, so extra performance would definitely help. On the other hand, 6700HQ would still be enough - right now I'm on 4700MQ and it's doing fine in most tasks - so it's not the end of the world.

As for the GPU, obviously the 1070 would be better, but that price premium makes me wonder if it makes sense at all, since I'll be gaming at 1080p anyway. On the other hand, 1070 would let me upgrade the external display to 1440p without much sacrifice, should I decide to do so in the next 3 or so years.

Aaand the looks factor, while not super important, does play a role too. I definitely prefer the plainer, simpler look of the barebone.

Go with the 1060 GT62VR and save money? Wait for the 1060 barebone? Hope the barebone comes in the 1070 flavor too? Go with the 1070 GT62VR and possibly be CPU-limited?

Argh.

 

You can find the barebone elsewhere in Europe with 1060 or 1070. Check cyberpowersystem/fangbook

 

I don't really want to do that (yet) because of warranty and support. Pretty much all Polish resellers are 30 min driving distance from where I live and 2 year warranty is standard here, compared to 1 year through cyberpowersystem (UK).

Thanks for the lead though, I'll keep it in mind. The price is about on par with what I'd pay around here, maybe even slightly cheaper.

 

1060 is NO GO...listen to guys who had that.Talon & co.

 

Not sure which posts you're referring to regarding the 1060, could you please recap? Many thanks.

 

Barebones being delivered TODAY! Waiting around for it now.. Should be within a few hours or less!

 

That is the worst and best feeling in the world, enjoy it while it lasts

 

Yes!!!! Delivery exception?

Ok guys I just did a 20 minute round of Battlefield 4 as I find that game loads both the CPU and GPU heavily. I ran the fans at flat stock (silent) and the system remained silent throughout the entire test. The fans did not ramp up or down at all. The system performed flawlessley and held 4.0ghz all day on the CPU and the GPU was bouncing around above stock clocks and just above/below boost clock value. Pascal is highly sensitive to temps for determining its boost clock. Regardless the GPU never came close to dropping below default clock value and usually hovered around 1600mhz. Of course I could have overclocked the GPU and forced a higher boost table but I wanted a default stock test.

Battlefield 4: Stock system, stock clocks, and stock fan profile.

CPU: Max recorded temp 89C,with temps usually around 78-83C
GPU: Max reported temp 79C with temp usually around 77C

System fans under load at:
CPU: 2681rpm +-
GPU: 3243rpm +-

System max fan values if forced to 100% = 3800rpm +-100rpm. As you can see from that the CPU fan is turning well below a value desired for proper cooling of the 6700k. While it held clocks and didn't throttle,it could be higher. My guess is that this fan profile is 100% from the retail GT62 which houses a much cooler but significantly weaker 6700hq.

Hope that info helps.

 

Guys, any idea when i can get CPU fan part for gt62vr? My system just returned from the Vendor service repair and the cicade noise still present on over 1500rpm...maybe it's normal bearing sound and i am only too sensitive silent desktop user.

 

They most likely didn't hear what you're referring to and simply returned it. Or they just returned it lol. You could check out lavafrosty on ebay. or RJtech, possibly RK Computers if they're still around.

 

This...

Spoiler: Talon temps quote

Is awesome.

I wonder whether it will be possible to swap in a 1080p or 2k rez gsync 120hz TN screen on this beast. You know, for those that don't use external monitors This laptop seems to hit the most high notes:

* Build quality
* Keyboard trackpad highly usable
* Cooling
* MXM and socket cpu
* Somewhat portable
* Gsync
* plenty of ports except no HDMI 2.0

All it needs is better screen options and I'm not sure what can beat it in this category. Clevos just don't do it for me in the style category.

 

I guess my laptop isn't coming today even though it says "On FedexV

No.. It just says "On Fedex vehicle for Delivery" but it still says Monday so i'm not sure if i'll get it.. It's very confusing. Normally if it's on a vehicle for delivery then it means you'll get it but it says Monday still and it also says under the Fedex vehicle thing that it is scheduled for next business day so probably not happening now :/

 

This is pretty amazing. Did you compare it side by side to your GT62VR? There should be at least *some* difference in noise, right? Or is all the extra power going into hotter components without an actual difference in fan operation?

 

Question about our gsync monitor...

Since gsync has no benefit when our FPS is exactly or above our refresh rate (i.e. 60 Hz), doesn't that mean in order to take full advantage of gsync, we should be capping our games at 59 FPS? It seems like since the GTX 1070 is so overkill for 1080p, our FPS won't be dipping below 60 FPS anytime soon. Thus, in excess of 60 FPS, we either get input lag if gsync is ON, or screen tearing if gsync is OFF.

 

I'd say if it says out for delivery/on a truck for delivery then it's coming today. Ground services come late in the day usually. My fedex guy at my old house came at like 7pm lol.

Camp out at the front door.

 

Although I hope it's true but online people say it says out for delivery but it won't come that and I called them and they also said probably Monday as they pack trucks on sat and it turns the status to out for delivery but it doesn't mean much.

 

+ @Diversion

What would be interesting is to see the 16L13 vs GT62 with same settings for system tuning, CPU / GPU stock and OC, with gaming FPS and benchmark GPU/CPU comparisons.

It would be nice to qualify the CPU improvement as to it's actual effect on games performance.

I actually prefer the MSI GT62 colors / style, and would rather work with MSI for support than a boutique shop.

But, if the performance is that much better it's worth considering the barebones style and support vs performance improvements.

As far as temps / noise, I would imagine the 6700k is loping along at a leisurely pace in games, not being taxed temp or cooling wise, it might even be more quiet than the GT62

 

Which vendor did the service? Tell them they didn't fix and ask them to source a replacement for you, for you to install if you like - but likely better for them to do it.

At least get them to send you a replacement part number and a place to order them.

IDK how the fan is attached, but sometimes using rubber isolation grommets can stop induced vibration - isolating the fan from the chassis mount might dampen the noise.

 

Nice I'm definitely highly considering this Eurocom now that I see it's just as silent without all the gaudy MSI branding. What are the full specs of what you ordered again @Talon? Did you have them apply a different TIM?

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P

 

You could downclock the 6700k to match the 6700HQ. You probably won't see much of a difference except for in CPU bottlenecked games. Battlefield 1 multiplayer is said to be extremely CPU intensive, so you probably will see the 6700k pull ahead there.

I'm interested to see how my 6600k does against the 6700HQ. Will raw clock speed or threads win?

 

If I don't need the extra CPU power of a 6700K I'd rather not get it, and not have to worry about downclocking it.

The 6600K should be as good as the 6700K in games, as most games don't respond to more than 4 cores, and the HT "cores" aren't a full core anyway.

It's too bad the 6820HK isn't available in this model yet in the US, as even the perceived improvement it offers is important to some. It's kinda odd MSI leaving the 6820HK out, with 6 distinct model offerings in the US all using the 6700HQ.

 

Well I didn't receive my barebones.. Definitely Monday delivery.

So I went ahead and tore down the GT62VR.. I wanted to remove the 32gb memory (16x2) sticks.. And found out they were underneath the motherboard and believe me, disassembling this thing that far is NOT for the feint of heart. You have to remove the fans, heatsinks, etc. and basically remove the entire frame of the laptop and then remove the entire motherboard.

I repasted with Coollaboratories Liquid Pro on CPU and GPU and let me tell you, that stuff is the complete truth.

My temps with AUTO fans have dropped between 6-8C in every game on the GPU and about the same on the CPU.

On Cooler boost (Max fans), it dropped another 8c off that. Amazing.

Highly recommend a repaste with quality stuff.. I was thinking it wouldn't change much but WOW.. Great results imo.

Previously in Witcher3 ultra everything + Hair works on max = 83c

Now it's 77-78c.. And down to 70c on max fans.

Every game consistently has better temps, therefore quieter fans.. Loving it.

So i'm certain that when I repaste the Barebones, it will be even better!

 

Eurocom uses IC diamond, so I'm hoping that will be good enough...