The Official MSI GS73VR Owners' Lounge

Wait, it's not a true display? Not the same as the one MSI sells?

 

I'm not sure what you mean by true display. There are IPS 60 hz models and TN 120 hz models. There are also 60hz 4k models that are also 100% aRGB

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

 

My question was that is the model that Microsoft is the same as MSI and HIDevolution? It was the description that threw me off. I just want to make sure they're same

 

It looks like a lot of retailers are marketing it as 120hz

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

 

There is no 120hz/5ms IPS Panel. Period. Only ASUS has a 120hz but 25ms IPS panel

 

My bad, so everything is just 120 HZ TN Panel? My confusion came over the how Microsoft Store was marketing compared to HIDevolution and MSI.

 

There are IPS FHD panels as well but they are 60hz

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

 

It just that everything is new to me. I cant tell a difference between a screen and what so ever. I just wanted to make sure that the MSI gs73vr from Microsoft did indeed have the 120 hz refresh rate. Other than that, Im still getting it from Microsoft.
On a unrelated note: How can I check the hz rate on the computers?

 

It's in Nvidia settings, where you change the resolution. Also in Intel settings.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

 

@Derek712 Thank you. Regardless of what happens. Ill unbox it and use it when i get it! Ill post it here when I do get it. Thank y'all for informing me

 

Never believe anything coming from Micr0$h4ft

 

Awaiting your post about refunding it in.......3........2.........1........

 

Please dont tell me that Microsoft does the same thign Best Buy does. Is the Microsoft really inferior
If it is, Im gonna go and cry in a corner cause I need a replacement warranty no question asked and I cant afford to be sending a laptop for repairs for almost a month

 

So if I get this correctly, the MSI being sold in Microsoft Store is not the same as HIDevolution and what MSI markets??
So the Microsoft MSI is just TN and the HIDevolution is higher model or are both of them same? Thats what my question is

 

I just wanted to add my performance results and ask a question to see if any of you have found a work around yet.

When I was initially running stress tests and benchmarks on my machine it was producing decent results but with high thermals. The CPU would reach 92*c in Prime 95 and start running at 2.6Ghz, and in Heaven I would see 87*c on the GPU. After a tedious re-paste with Gelid extreme it's now sitting comfortably at 72*c running Prime for over 3hrs and 78*c on the GPU in Heaven after an hour. However, the throttle issue with the CPU only running at 2.6Ghz is still present. HWmonitor and Intel XTU both show that the CPU is reaching its power limit of 45w. I've tried using ThrottleStop to fix this, but it literally doesn't change anything when running the program, same goes for Intel's XTU. Also, running Prime and Furmark I start getting the "motherboard voltage limit" blinking at me in XTU but the thermals are still a comfortable 74*c CPU and 88*c GPU

So my question is, is my machine at it's actual design limits or is there a way that I can get rid of these voltage limits so I can have a fully functioning CPU at it's rated turbo speed?

Benchmark Scores:
Heaven scored '1540' - 1080p, extreme, everything maxed out, fps avg 61.8
Superposition scored '2260' - 1080 extreme setting, fps avg 16.8
Superposition scored '8520' - 1080 medium setting
I'll add more later.

 

What CPU is in the GS73VR? I assume it's a 6700HQ or 7700HQ?
The 6700 and 7700HQ both have a power limit of 45W, and this power limit can NOT be exceeded for more than a short period of time. Basically, the "ICCMAX" value, which increases max TDP (Current, actually), is ignored on these processors. And increasing power limit 2 does work, however "power limit 1" has a cap of max TDP (45W or 45000 mw); going higher than 45000 is ignored on non-overclocking SKU's. On overclocking SKU's (K series, etc), PL1 can go up to something like "max_package_power_Sku" or whatever (which I believe is related to ICC max). An unlocked BIOS will say this.

The only way to avoid the throttle you are getting is to UNDERVOLT the CPU and CPU cache (you can undervolt in throttlestop). A 150 mw undervolt should keep you under 45W, but don't run prime with small FFT's (the first burn in option) as that will trigger PL2 and PL1 anyway).

There is a way you can edit a MSR (not sure if that's in the EC firmware or not) to increase the power limit 1 past 45W, but this can't be done without advanced methods. Someone posted a guide along with that register being changed in RW Everything. I'm not sure if that is increasing "hidden" PL1 limits (that force all the other PL1 limits to be 45W maximum) or if it is tricking the CPU to thinking it's using less power than it is.

Remember the K series processors (like 7820HK) are not limited like this. You just increase PL1 and PL2 to something like 230000 mw, and change ICCMax to 100A, and then you're limited by cooling (so repaste if you intend on going past 4 ghz especially with prime; 4 ghz works with an undervolt, 4.2 ghz may work with an undervolt also but will require repaste).

And do NOT run furmark, PERIOD. You WILL exceed power draw. And 88C is NOT fine on the GPU, that's already throttling very hard also.

 

Yes, I have the 6700hq, got a smokin deal on it for only $1200 on a special from Newegg a couple months ago.

When I said that ThrottleStop literally wasn't doing anything I even meant the voltage controls. I don't know if it was a bad install of the program or not, but I downloaded it again and re-installed it, rebooted the computer, and now it works well for voltage controls. I was able to set the Vcore & cache to -175mV recorded by HWmonitor, -65mV for the integrated GPU, and -20mV on system agent. Running prime for 6 hours it was stable and averaged about 42w so the TDP was never hit.

However, the PL1 limit and "EDP other" are still being triggered while running prime and light web surfing. The wattage will hit 47-48w and throttle the cores. I don't know much about how programs work with the CPU besides just basic instructions, so is this PL1 limit being caused by small FFT's or whatever?

I've never had to worry about this kind of stuff before because I always bought K series processors and tweaked them however I liked. This is my first gaming laptop and I'm trying to get all performance I can from it. I just wish I knew certain products had the TDP locked (not all hq series are locked, I found it's a bios thing from lots of reading) and I also wish I knew that these motherboards had a limit as well (specifically referring to our GS73VR's). For example: the gaming laptop I was going to buy was the GT72VR 7RE, which doesn't have these limits enforced and can even add voltage to the GPU for a better overclock, but I needed portability over the extra performance so I was stuck with limited options and required a color accurate screen like these have.

Do you know if Prema plans on releasing an unlocked bios for these? I'd be more than happy to pay for it, I just want full control over this damn thing lol.

Why does everyone say not to run furmark? I've been building and tweaking PC's since 2001 and I've been using furmark since it came out and have NEVER had an issue with it. I'll agree that you need to pay attention to the thermals and not be a retard when using it, but otherwise it's never hurt any of my cards. Also, 88*c is 'ok' for a laptop's GPU. I'm not saying to run it at that temp for long periods of time, again common sense needs to play a role here, but look at other 'thin and light' gaming laptop horrendous thermals. 88*c isn't throttling my card, it pulls a bit of the turbo clock speed but it still runs at above rated base clock speed. These newer cards will also pull clock and voltage to keep them from cooking themselves; the old way of thinking about how hardware functions needs stop in the PC community.

 

hI VetteV12,
It was the TDP issues that made me return my Gt72VR for the 7820HK equipped Titan. And with a -150mv undervolt, blend will not trigger TDP, but small FFT *will*. You shouldn't be running small FFT anyway, as it's nothing more than a power virus. Small FFT is only good for testing overclocking CPU cores, to see if you get, like, back in the sandy bridge days, stop 0x101 (always means too low Vcore) or 0x124 (usually more vcore needed; very common when having too low voltage AT IDLE. But that was back in the win7 days, so I dont know how the newer skylake/kaby series cpus and windows 10 handles this stuff now.

Besides, if you were pushing a K series laptop cpu to the point where you NEEDED More voltage (like at 4.2 ghz+ on a 6820hk or 4.3 ghz+ on a 7820HK), trying to run small FFT without a repaste will cause instantly 90C+ Temps; with 100W+ being consumed of TDP, you would never be able to cool the thing fast enough (even desktops with Thermalright heatsinks would struggle).

But yeah stay away from small FFT. That's supposed to be a power virus CPU tester for checking overclocks (and it could degrade cpu's that had voltage increases on them, quite common during Sandy Bridge days), so there's no point to running small FFT anymore. If you need a stress test, run Blend.

Yellow TDP Other doesn't mean throttling will happen, it just means that flag is being used. But if you go past 45W on a Q series chip, TDP will eventually turn red and get locked back down. On a K series chip, raising the ICCMAX value will prevent red TDP flag

If you're talking about unlocking the GPU throttling, that's a different issue and no one knows if a modded Bios will ever come out to allow higher TDP during boosting.

About furmark:
Originally, furmark was causing GPU's to shut down or throttle or just burn out completely. This was around God knows when...2006? 2007? The cards were either burning up or reaching 95C. This caused Nvidia and AMD to release built in limiters to prevent furmark from fully utilizing the card. Someone found out that when renaming furmark.exe to Quake.exe, the cards got fully utilized again (thus, 90C+ temps) unless you had VERY VERY good cooling. So furmark is a power virus that the (IHV's? = AMD, Nvidia) had to intentionally limit card power to, to avoid it damaging the cards. So it's not recommended that you run it.

If you really want to see what furmark is capable of, rename the EXE to Oblivion.exe and watch.....

 

My GS73VR with the i7 7700HQ is driving me crazy!

The speakers are making a cracking and popping sound when the wireless is connected. It almost sounds like an old modem.

I have updated all the drivers. I have even done a fresh install. Its still doing it. It didn't do it for the first 3 months of ownership.

When I uninstall the sound drivers it goes away. When I turn off the wireless it goes away. I need my sound and obviously my wireless connection.

Can you guys help? Options? Solutions?

 

I believe you need to uninstall nahhmic software sicne it messes it

 

I've installed the Realtek drivers and the HD Audio Manager and now it sounds great, 100% better than before and I have control of EQ and everything.

 

IPS screen with 120Hz, no?
https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GS73-STEA...TX-1050Ti.html#hero-specification&sku_no=4200

 

No.

 

No IPS or no 120Hz?

 

Not IPS. IPS level - means TN panel.

 

So I am getting a laptop fan, and I am curious to know whats the best one? I already ordered the Opolar Laptop cooler fan and just noticed that the air goes out the side. This is a big bummer for me I was wondering whats the best laptop fan cooler for this model?

 

Not yet, but it's gonna cost a huge dent on the wallet.

 

I'm seriously considering buying one of these in a couple of months time, but I was wondering if the build quality was any better on the kaby lake machines?

Specifically, can anyone confirm if the kaby lake models still suffer from sharp edges, coil whine from the CPU and that microstuttering issue please?

 

I just got the MSI GS73vr kaby lake and there is sharp edge on the bottom. But I dont find it that sharp. I cant help you with coil whine as I am deaf and wont be able to hear it unless it is that loud.
Could you please elaborate on the micro stuttering?
I cant speak for the build quality differences for other laptop as this one is my first windows laptop I ever had in a long time. I can say its built pretty well and that I say it rivals the 2013 macbook pro I have(The newer ones are garbage) and when i compared it with the Asus contemporary, it really stood out. I felt the asus were weaker and more prone to breaking. I also felt that the Asus was alright. And I honestly got this one because I didnt want a 1070 on this laptop(For its portability, it def the most portable 17" laptop out of my research to me and has the power of a gtx 1000 series that allows people to play alot of decent games today)
Maybe I should do a little review soon
EDIT: The reason why i didnt want 1070 because I heard that thermals on this laptop are manageable after some tweaking, I felt that the 1070 would make it more worse and it would actually be a weaker version of it

 

I am curious, Im noticing that the connection for the MSI GS73VR through the killer card is very slow. What are the solutions to it? Downlaod a killer card driver and how does thta work?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-gs73vr-7rf-stealth-pro-drivers.803935/

 

No, that is a TN screen...note the 5ms. IPS can't do 5ms. The only IPS 120Hz screen available anywhere is 25ms.

 

Actually, IPS-level means, if not an actual LG IPS then either Samsung PLS or AUO AHVA...all three of which use essentially the same technology. None of which can achieve 5ms response time.

The only IPS level 120Hz screen I know of, is the AUO AHVA B156HAN04.3. It is 120Hz~25ms.

TN is a totally different technology, and the only technology that can deliver 120Hz~5ms...

Now, both the 5ms and 25ms are a bit of a 'marketing' stretch because you can't really measure response time with a single number, and of course both are representing the absolute 'best case'. However the delta between the TN, and IPS-level screens, remains about the same. The new 120Hz~5ms screens simply have faster response times, regardless of what you are doing, and these new ones are nothing like the old TN screens you may have encountered. They have vibrant colors, excellent viewing angles, good blacks, and have little to no backlight bleed. The IPS-level screens, while having slower response times, and are much more prevalent to have backlight bleed, they do have more accurate colors for the professional photo editor, and will work great outdoors in direct sunlight.
.

 

They are identical. MSI GS73VR 7RF Stealth Pro-225 Microsoft Signature Edition - 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) 120Hz 5ms 94% NTSC Matte LCD. It is a TN screen, not IPS, and it is the sweetest Full HD (1920x1080) TN screen on the market today.

However, before you make your decision based on what some Microsoft person who is in who knows what country tells you, get the 'instant replacement' warranty in writing, from a manager (HINT...you won't be able to). Truth is, you are buying an MSI Warranty...period. In the Continental US (not including Alaska & Hawaii), you pay to ship it back to MSI, they fix it, and pay to ship it back to you. If you are outside the US, depending on your region, you could have to pay shipping both ways.

When you buy from HIDevolution, and you are in the Continental US (not including Alaska & Hawaii), we pay shipping both ways. If you are outside the Continental US (or in Alaska & Hawaii), you have two choices regarding shipping...you can either have us send you the shipping label out our steeply discounted price, which will be much less than if you just paid UPS, FedEx or DHL yourself, or, you can get the HIDevolution Global Warranty.

HIDevolution.com Global warranties cover 2 instances per year of 2 way international shipping (by FedEx, DHL, or USPS/EMS - at HIDevolution's discretion) should the system and/or parts need to be sent back to the US for warranty related repair or replacement.

As for the Killer issues, we strongly recommend upgrading to the Intel 8265 WiFi card, or, if you really want Killer, just use their drivers...never use Killer software.

Finally, as for RMA turn around times, HIDevolution will almost always be much faster than any MSI repair facility worldwide, and if I may say so, will probably do a better job.

I hope this helps not only @Dr@gon, but also others who may be confused by the confusing stuff that floats around the internet.
.

 

After facing problems with liquid crystal leaking in two areas on my screen and little leaks all over the screen. I am returning it. It was a decent laptop, the only problem was that the screen suck and didnt work for me. I am out of the gaming laptop game for now

 

Did it arrive that way, or did it only start to leak sometime after you got it?

 

It started to leak like that several days into using it. I didnt think much of it. Now it's been leaking alot.

 

It leaks physical fluids out on the screen

 

Unfortunately that means that somehow, the screen got broken after you received it. Please be sure to let us know how Microsoft handles your return when it has physical damage.

 

Im just returning it. And Im not getting a gaming laptop ever again. Im just sticking to buying a desktop or build one for myself.
I cant tell for the love of god how I broke it. I left it on the desk.

 

Okay, I returned it and got the full refund back. Idk if mine was defective or not. Im guessing its defective. Right now. Im setting to build a pc

 

I bought an Origin PC Millennium PC last year, got it with the highest specs, dual 980 TIs and a 5820HK CPU and 64GB RAM + Intel 1.2TB NVMe SSD

It was great, the performance was great, but d00d, so many cables, monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. I wasn't comfortable, that's why I choose desktop replacement taptops so I can have it all in one neat package

Also, I had an ASUS ROG Swift monitor with it, when I turn off my PC, then wake up the next morning, turn it on, the monitor wouldn't turn on, it would stay in standby mode until I disconnect it from the power source and then reconnect it again. I know that was an issue with that monitor, but all these little things destroyed the experience.

that, and even though I am at home 90% of the time, I like the idea of being able to take my laptop with me easily should I choose to go to a cafe or a friend's house.

Whatever makes you happy man, but just wanted to share my experience.

ORIGIN PC MILLENNIUM Ordered

My ORIGIN PC MILLENIUM Review

 

To be honest. The recent experience with that laptop didnt go well for me. I am getting a laptop and ill build a pc. Another thing. Id rather have something powerful that is stationary for me thatll stand when i get to it.
Im building a PC because it's gives me more bang for the buck and becaues Im a casual gamer and that i can monitor what I put in

 

It is your hard-earned money and you definitely want to spend it the way that's best for you.

 

n/m

 

Finally got mine and..... returned it after three days.It\s a beautifuly built machine with the most amazing screen that I have ever seen, but it gets a bit loud for my tastes. And while I can live with it's noise levels - 92c on GPU when running Day Of Infamy (built on Source Engine) is too much.
GT75, here I come)

 

Check this out...nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q - http://www.techradar.com/news/msi-s...gs73vr-stealth-pro-gaming-laptops-at-computex

 

Is the Max-Q 1070 supposed to be on par with a full power 1060?

Sent from my SM-N900 using Tapatalk

 

No, it will outperform the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060. It will be about 90% of an nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070.

 

Hello all,

I spotted the MSI GS73VR 7RF-232 for a ridiculous price online and I was in the market for a new laptop so jumped at the chance. Shipping was fast and I've had it for a few days now.

First thing I did was download PC decrapifier and remove most of the bloatware. Tweaked WIN10 as per Phoenix's awesome tutorial, thanks man! Kept Dragon Center and turned off the boost options as others have recommended to reduce CPU load. First program I installed was Overwatch, then installed GeForce Experience to get the latest video driver. All I can say is WOW, the game never looked so sexy. I can't believe all the details I was missing on my old laptop and even on my desktop. I get a steady 60-70 fps on Ultra setting with the CPU temp holding at the low 70's. This alone makes this purchase worth it for me. As mentioned in the thread, the sound&speakers could have been better. I compared Overwatch music & sounds with Nahimic and without it (Realtek only) and didn't hear that much of a difference so just got rid of Nahimic. My old MSI laptop had more oomf to the overall sound than this system so that was a bit disappointing. If anyone has played around with different settings, drivers, programs and found a better way to get a fuller more lush sound, please feel free to share.

I too was fooled by the MSI marketing machine when it came to the 256GB SSD. I also thought I'd be getting a PCI NVMe SSD as both the retailer and MSI both use ambiguous descriptions about the storage systems. Unfortunately my system came with the SATA3 version SSD ( http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/products/flash-storage/client-ssd/MZNLN256HMHQ?ia=831) and not the PCI-E Gen3.0. Only after I saw the little red "*This specification may vary by model." CYA disclaimer did I realize there was not much I could do.
My second storage drive is a Seagate 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 5400 RPM HDD (Model ST1000LM035-1RK172) which I plan to swap out for another SSD in the near future.

In terms of build quality, everything is on point. It's amazing how thin and light it is while still able to maintain that durable metallic feeling. Luckily I haven't run into any of the sharp edge issues others have encountered.

I'm curious to find out what others' UserBenchmark scores are ( http://www.userbenchmark.com/). I got decent results but was hoping for higher scores in the Gaming department seeing as this system is marketed as a gaming laptop. Here are my scores: http://imgur.com/YAdYRPP

So now this where I need your wisdom. I want to install an older program that requires WinXP as the OS. Can someone provide a step-by-step on how I do this. Does WIN 10 come with that option or do I need to download and install Virtualbox or the like? I'm not interested in dualbooting but prefer it if I can just load this program from the same desktop as where I launch my Overwatch, so if I want to take a break from doing work I can just have it minimized while I go ape for a while...heheh.

One more thing, is there any noticeable benefit to upgrade the bios from E17B1IMS.308 to .310 in regards to day-to-day system performance? I'm just worried that my system might act weird after spending the time updating all these drivers.

Thanks in advance.