Did you read my posts? The tests was done with direct bare die. With good silicon, good proper desktop cooling and one who know how to do it. Maybe take a look one more time. And don't compare a locked down BGA chips who don't even run equal clock speed on all 6 cores. + limited by PL1 - Long time Power limits. The core temps differences could be even more equal with unlimited power draw.
This is from binning of 8700K (From the shop I bought my binned [email protected]).
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This one from Twekatown overclock guide of 8700K.
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This is last time I will say this... It seems people think 0-3C differences between hottest vs. coldest core is the normal. There will always be some differences whatever you try to reach. Even with the best prep work.
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Again I think EVERYONE is again missing the point of what I said about LM and how it is attracted to itself.
There is a reason I just scored these temps this morning just now. And it isn't because of voodoo magic, either.
Feel free to dislike my posts. But I am a chess master and I know how to analyze things and I will always believe in myself and my hard work, regardless what any of you other people say about me.
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Looks like my re-paste from HIDEvolution has issues - I will open a support ticket. I am not happy with the $95 LM/Fujipoly thermal upgrade so far, especially if it means I have to send my laptop in and be without it for a week or two.
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In allot of cases, I have noticed that if you move the heat sink slightly or readjust the tightening of the screws....This can help to even out the temps. You would do this with a very light load to get as close to accurate as possible. And it can take a bit of patience as well.
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Test same stress tests as HIDevolution.... Aida64 Stability Stress Tests Guide ala PoopusanIf you wonder or don't know, ask HID what ambient temp they test in.
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Same results, really...just 5 minutes of testing, too. Ambient temp down to 71F here (turned AC up). Same flat, wood desk as previous tests.
EDIT: oops, forgot to check box for GPU...results are even worse now:
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Auto fans are for normal computing.
If the tests you are showing here are without max fans, please re-do them and report results with max fans.Spartan@HIDevolution, ixixmmx and Papusan like this. -
Anyway, results are better using AIDA64, which yes, is a stress test but I do not have time to play ARK right now. I just wish you guys outlined which fan profile you were using to get your thermal numbers. Seems to be a fair thing to represent/disclose. I have outlined I use "Auto" all along (in addition to other information).
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Why would anyone doing max stress testing run their fans at anything but max? We use Ultimate settings for all gaming tests as well. No cheating, no shortcuts, just full out max testing.
I understand this may be new information for you, but try being fair and take the information in, without trying to suggest we are not reporting accurately.
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I would rule these out first and then start thinking about the paste job being dodgy.
Also high end laptops, do need tweaking/fan profile changing on the user end. Because one profile/setup will never work for everyone. Every user has their own tolerance level.
If someone wants a out of the box plug and play experience, better buy a mac book.
The Razer Blade's have very non aggressive fan profiling because the fans sound obnoxiously high pitched so they rather have the laptop throttle than have people complain about noise.
Most important part however is, 6 cores running at a higher clock speed vs 4 cores running at a low clock speed.
I really fail to see the problem here?
You really need to switch to max fans.
Even on the 8700k in my desktop, there is a core differential of about 2-4C.
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Open LOCAL.txt in prime95 folder.
Add:
CPUSupportsAVX=0
CPUSupportsFMA3=0
at the top.
If you want to disable the FMA3 power virus (FMA3 is AVX2, btw, fused multiply and add), you can set AVX to 1 and FMA3 to 0 but only do this for OCD testing purposes.Donald@Paladin44 likes this. -
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I've seen the behavior of LM.
The "issue" of LM deciding to have sex with itself happens if there is any pressure imbalance when pushing a heatsink down just to get the screws in the hole, even if you do a perfect tiny partial turn criss cross pattern perfectly. The LM will have already partially collected slightly more in another area, resulting in a temp imbalance.
This can be circumvented by using a VERY THIN layer of LM, but doing this can be BAD on direct die to copper because of the partial absorption issue. I noticed this on my first ever attempt at using LM. Applied a razer thin layer. In one week there was none on the CPU =). Gotta use a little extra LM than 'necessary' and also vigorously paint the heatsink too. Getting a flat heatsink (instead of convex) and fully even complete downwards pressure=vomit orgasm of even core temps.
I tried the same experiment on a 290X. Did super thin even layer, 1 week later...card crashed hard in PUBG. Reached 95C. Opened it...there was zero LM on the GPUJust a hardened faint film. It was all hardened on the copper surface. Had to apply more to allow contact over time. Of course the almost nonexistent mounting pressure of the anorexic X-bracket and cancer scrawny 1mm springs didnt help anything and totally inflated the problem to unrealistic levels only AMD's awesome design team was capable of.
LGA under IHS would never have this problem. Solution: use more to compensate on BGA, and break out them foam dams and Mr Fox creative barriers.
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Can anyone share their fan settings on Dragon center? I have mine currently set like this https://imgur.com/8ZFzJAi Shared a link for some reason I can't get the insert image to work.
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3 RMA and one halfway working?
I really need up my reading on NBR, LOOL
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I never had to run max fans in any of my previous laptops while playing ARK: Survival Evolved (see laptops below) - but perhaps that's the difference here is it is super thin and light. I just am disappointed that I spent $95 for a thermal upgrade that still requires that I run crazy high fans. The whole point of the upgrade is to mitigate that. Hence why I am highlighting the issue regarding your numbers. But yeah, we 're all supposed to assume to know how you got those results when you use them as an advertisement for people to pay for the upgrades...
I will re-test ARK tonight if I can and post my results with max fans. It's surely going to be fine because AIDA64 CPU/GPU stress test was fine once I ran max fans...because it is MAX FANS.
Pascal history for me:
ASUS ROG G751JY-DH71 (6700HQ, GTX 1070)
MSI GS43VR Phantom Pro (7700HQ, GTX 1060)
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If you need tech support or warranty service, here are the ways you can get proper service:
Open a Support Ticket - http://www.hidevolution.com/contacts/
Email - [email protected]
Phone - 888-666-3418 or +1-562-485-6541 ext 3, Mon-Fri 9 AM - 5PM PST If you get Voice Mail, leave a message and the next available technician will call you back.
Live Chat - http://support.hidevolution.com/visitor/index.php?/LiveChat/Chat/Request/ then select Technical Support.Spartan@HIDevolution likes this. -
I hope other users with this laptop will chime in with some thermal data of their own so we can all compare more than a couple users notes. Mine should be delivering sometime next week and I will post my results as well.
I saw very good results with LM+fujipoly on my GT73VR (applied myself) and hope to see similar temp decreases with the GS65.hmscott and Donald@Paladin44 like this. -
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How do you think this will work if you can increase all power limits (unlocked BGA)? https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-D...rocessor-now-available-in-Spain.303556.0.htmlLast edited: May 16, 2018raz8020, sk3tch, Falkentyne and 2 others like this. -
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Hello everyone.
I'm considering purchasing the MS GS65, however I am most likely looking to buy the version with the GTX 1060.
Both due to a significantly higher price on the 1070-MQ version in my country, but also because I'm hoping it might have better thermals.
I've been searching everywhere online, but I can't find any tests that are showing the thermals for the version with the 1060.
Does anybody here own the 1060 version, and if so, may I please ask you to upload some results on the thermals running various stress tests?
I'm very interested to see if there is a difference between the 1070MQ version and the 1060 version.
Or, maybe one of the resellers present here has a 1060 in stock, that they could test and share the results from?
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Based on my experience I would opt for a GTX 1060-based GS65 unless you are OK with using “Cooler Boost” fan profile all the time (extremely loud). I had great experiences with my 1060 thin & light laptops. I’ll probably stick with the 1160 when they release later this year or early 2019...
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I found that during my gaming with the fans in 'advanced' mode, I set the fan speed % at the hottest level to an acceptable noise level to keep it at 85 degrees which is acceptable to me.
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I noticed this detail in the Cinebench test that @TheGhastSlayer posted.
The Intel specified thermal throttling temperature for the 8750H is 100°C
https://ark.intel.com/products/134906/Intel-Core-i7-8750H-Processor-9M-Cache-up-to-4_10-GHz
To bad MSI decided to scale that back to only 90°C. That explains some of the premature thermal throttling.raz8020, hmscott, Mr. Fox and 1 other person like this. -
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What is the best way for me to check my temps? Is Firestrike Stress Test a good means?
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What would you guys recommend doing to counter temp spikes cause by turbo mode activation. During fire strike benchmark, most of the time cpu stays below 65 degrees but when it turbos it spikes to 91 for a short time because I don’t think the fans are ramping up fast enough. I’ve undervolted it by .150, but fan hysteresis is kicking me
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[Quick Guide] NVIDIA GPU Undervolting, Overclocking and Overvolting
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Did some tweaking and I think I have everything under control with better acoustics ("Cooler Boost" is nuts and not for day-to-day use) with a custom fan profile. Just go to "Advanced" in Dragon Center:
CPU
GPU
5 min AIDA64 run (just CPU/MEM stressed, no GPU), and ignore the starting blip, I realized Dragon Center hadn't fully launched.This is undervolted - Core Cache Offset -0.155V and Cache Voltage Offset -0.155V - via Intel XTU (which saves and applies at every reboot, right?)
Max temp 72C and no throttling!
5 min AIDA64 run (just GPU)
Max temp 69C!
In summary: no re-paste issue. The Conductonaut liquid metal and Fujipoly pads installed by HIDEvolution are working very well. Just had to find a sweet spot between the default "Auto" fan profile and the crazy loud "Cooler Boost" one.Last edited: May 17, 2018Quadzilla, JRey, ThePerfectStorm and 10 others like this. -
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anyone knows if in Germany or Europe (Euro zone) there is a company like HD Evolution ?
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When you undervolt in Intel XTU is it persistent upon reboot once successful? When I launch Intel XTU it doesn't let me change the value - it says -0.155V - so my assumption is it is persistent upon reboot..
Also - do any vendors have the GS65 power supply and cable available for $100 shipped? I want a 2nd.hmscott and Donald@Paladin44 like this. -
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In germany there is https://www.notebook.de/ but they don't offer so much services like hidevolution. regarding the the repasting and some other things.
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