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Yes.

email me your request.

 

For TS, just put it up as a task... http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/#post-6865107

FYI. ThrottleStop don't contain any bloat running in the background. Hence it will use less clock cycles than XTU.

 

Finally someone sharing their fan setup thanks!

 

I'm seeing the thermal throttling flag trip as low as 88C Funny thing is it's not actually affecting the CPU frequency if it's hugging that temperature. Could be that the fan speed is just sluggish and catches up with the heat demand just in time.

 

Yeah, I see the same around that temperature mark. I have set my fan profile on the CPUs to be pretty aggressive to combat it, but have not seen any real world issues. The GPU does pretty well so to compensate for the CPU fan being a lot higher, I have that one about 25% slower which does help with the noise quite a bit.

My overall opinion of the GS65 was initially tainted by problems that could have easily been solved by MSI having a better default fan profile within the BIOS. They can learn from Razer (gasp) in that - Razer has been good at releasing new BIOS that have better/more aggressive fan profiles but that are tweaked so they are not "balls out" super fan blowing mode (like the "Cooler Boost" profile).

I imagine we will have a BIOS update soon to address this, because A LOT of people are going to buy a GS65 and start gaming on it with the default "Auto" fan profile and burn their fingers.

 

Pretty interesting, me and my stock cooling stuff, with the same fan profile and almost the same underfoot ( I can’t reach 155, only 140), mine caps at 83 C with no throttling, so not bad, but it seems your repaste and pads saved you 10C!

 

Most software only monitors the peak core temperature once per second so it is not unusual for the peak temperature to be slightly less than the thermal throttling temperature. If a core hits 90°C, even for only a millisecond, it is going to trip the thermal throttling flag within the CPU. It is a much more reliable way to know if any temperature sensor on your CPU package hit 90°C.

Thermal throttling happens so rapidly, hundreds of times per second, that some monitoring software might not be sensitive enough to show you the slow down. When throttling first starts to happen, you will not see a huge drop in MHz unless the CPU heatsink just fell off. Run a TS Log File and it should show you a decrease in MHz when throttling begins. Also check off, "Add Limit Reasons to Log File" in the Options window. The Log File will then confirm the throttling taking place.

 

Btw, can the fans be cleaned without taking the motherboard out?

 

When you have Apply'd the settings and are happy with them Save them and name it, that last named Profile you Save'd or selected will be used at the next boot to Apply settings.

XTU worked great setting a Profile of settings at boot, and then Windows 10 came along and keeps messing with system tools, shutdown / boot state, and XTU catches up just like everything else, so you can run into a situation where XTU won't set the Profile settings at boot.

All you need to do is go into XTU at next boot, select the Profile, Apply, and exit XTU and the systray app, and at next boot XTU should apply those settings automatically.

That's why that thread by @ThatOldGuy was created:

How to automatically under-volt in XTU without opening it
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-under-volt-in-xtu-without-opening-it.802143/

It sounds like your last saved Profile is being used already at startup in XTU, you can Save different Profiles for different running situations and select them Apply and they will be loaded at next boot.

If you crash, for whatever reason, or power off using the power button, basically stopping the normal shutdown, XTU will notice that and assume it's settings might have caused it and won't apply them at the next boot.

I disable Hibernation:

In a Windows CMD window, Start As Administrator:

powercfg /h off

which stops FastStartup and Hybrid Shutdown, and that takes away some of the problematic variation, but even so Windows 10 might cause XTU to not load at startup, so if you run into that try the boot scripts to load the settings.

With Hibernation off the 1x RAM sized cache file C:\hiberfil.sys is also deleted. I also set pagefile.sys to 0 size in Virtual memory when I have 8GB or more memory, to remove that file from the C drive too.

To disable the background monitoring of XTU I exit the systray app at boot and that stops the CPU usage from XTU monitoring. You could also stop the XTU service, but exiting the systray app is enough for me, not sure about Windows 10.

 

Auto is probably set to be <40dB so they can be "Max-q". I doubt they'll change it. Just use the advanced profile and ramp up the last three settings to your desire.

 

Finally had some time to re-try ARK: Survival Evolved - this is around 15 minutes of online gameplay using this fan profile and -0.155V undervolt via Intel XTU:



Pretty loud, but about what one would expect from a gaming laptop.

 

The same behavior is also replicated in the older MSI GS43VR 6RE (Skylake edition).

 

Looks like you got your thermals under control. I’ll be sure to mess with the fan profile once mine ships.

 

Can anyone provide same thermal data results for the model with 1060 graphic card ?

 

From a software point of view, I think that ARK is pretty similar more to a pressure test than a simple game, as it's full of bloatware and (useless) anticheating processes: it stressed my last desktop so much (with a Noctua NH U 14S with double fan as cooler!), it stressed my Eurocom, in fact it was almost the only game that forced the GPU fan to rotate at max speed, even with cooling pad and cooling pad mod on the chassis (no comment); consider that, for instance, Star Wars Battlefront II - that is not exactly one of the lightest games in the world - uses less GPU than ARK (that in my case was always @ 100% without purpose) but runs faster and cooler, as other games that - as ARK is - are based on UE4 engine run cooler, too.

I should have been received the GS 65 today, but they jumped the delivery to the next week... For now, thank you so much for sharing your "Ark Settings"

Now I'm pretty curious to see how my laptop will manage thermal behaviour without the LM threatment (not available at the moment from any of the italian MSI resellers, at least not for this GS 65).

 

Hey guys. Just found this helpful thread and signed up for some help. Very happy with my new msi gs65 8rf from hidevolution, my first gaming laptop after only being a console gamer. I have the thermal past upgrade with thermal pads and seems to be great. Due to my circumstances I'm trying to get maximum efficiency while keeping the unit as quiet as I can, seems undervolting the cpu and gpu is the key here. There seems to be a wealth of info online but some of it very contradictory. Can anyone post a couple of helpful links to help me with this. After full step by step beginner guides. Sorry if this has already come up.

 

Got my GS65 yesterday from HID (with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU + GPU, and Fujipoly pads). Still setting it up and installing software because god knows when I'll have time to really dedicate a good day to it, but as I'm paging through this thread, can anyone point me to a good, complete "baseline" for an XTU undervolt?

Yeah I used the search function but I spent 30-45 minutes paging through posts and I'm a little inconclusive.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/

 

I started at 150mv on the CPU. It got unstable at 180 so I dialed it back.

 

A good baseline would be -.100 but I’ve seen a lot of people go to -.150

 

Thanks, guys. Yeah, I had set the core voltage offset and cache voltage offset to -0.1v (same as -100mv), any other settings I should change (core voltage, proc core iccmax, turbo boost power max/short power max, etc)?

 

Anyone thinking about putting a skin on their notebook yet? Decalrus.com is the only company I've found so far with them, anyone know of other companies? Check this one out lol.

 

I'm laughing as I'm catching up in this thread. "It's too hot and bwurns my fwingers."

Honestly, I have no thermal upgrades from MSI ar all. Fans are set to auto. While it's sitting on my dining room table, I'm able to run some very high demand games at full settings without hiccups. Maybe that I'm getting close to my thirtys that my eyes are getting slower and these youngins can spot the hiccups? Maybe that's why I get owned in online gameplay (I'm getting better). But this is a tiny laptop, it far exceeds my expectations (like deadpool 2). If you wanted better performance, maybe a desktop is for you, or maybe an egpu. But this thing flies and it's my very first gaming PC.

 

I don't think anyone is saying it's slow, only that it's throttling. Would you mind running a Firestrike benchmark with HWinfo running to monitor the temps? I don't think anyone has reported the stock pad temps yet.

 

Bwurns my fwingers LOL. nah I hear you, mine stayed stock as well, an undervolt seems sufficient enough for how I use this thing. What made you pick this laptop as your first gamer??

 

Here's my fire strike stress test, stock thermal system with a -.150v undervolt. Want a benchmark as well?

 

I'm still quite new to this and might need a walkthrough.

 

I'll pm you in a minute

 

The reasons behind this choice was thin and light, sufficient battery life (I get 7 hours), powerful enough for me to use for work and school, desktop replacement for simplicity, upgrade for my current laptops, and mobile gaming. I put it in a hard case, then into my backpack.

 

Nice, hope it severs you well (and me lol). Totally just replaced my XPS 15 for this thing.

@Derek712 I ran a benchmark with a custom fan profile, -.150v here's the results (if I'm doing this right.)

 

Can you run a benchmark and give me the max temps? Was this in auto or cooler boost?

 

Custom fan profile, max CPU temp was 92C during Physics test (clocked down to 3600mhz) and max GPU temp was 66C at combined test. Those were the peaks.

I'm downloading Vermintide 2 to check those temps next, the games hard af on cooling systems.

 

LOL 140% speed?

 

I see some shop in Germany sell it without OS. This would be the best for me because I want to install italian or english version of Windows 10.

But in this case how I install all the driver and stuff from MSI ? do I find a complete package to download from MSI website ? WIll it be a "clean" install or I will install also bloatware ?

 

Clean install with drivers on the MSI website is the way to go. It's the first thing I do with every laptop I own. Just type GS65 drivers into Google and they're all right there.

 

Yes haha I hate the way they list it XD
I'm assuming cooler boost is flat 150%. Stupid scheme.

 

@Phoenix I'd like your tweaks and I think I did everything needed. Team Viewer installed. Windows updated. Computer name changed. Forum sig changed.

 

PM sent

 

Running Vermintide 2, here's temps stock paste w/ undervolt and custom fan profile. Is this acceptable? :l

 

That’s way hotter than what I got. In firestrike, with a score of 13230 and an underfoot ( core and cache) of -.140 MV, my cpu caps at 83C and gpu caps at 76C, using a combination of the fan profile assault is using and some tips for ThrottleStop a guy in the thread entioned earlier. I’d recommend lowering the 6 Core turbo multiplier from 36 to 34, makes a big difference

 

Thanks for the input! I set up throttlestop and removed XTU and now my temps maxed out at 85c running Firestrike, landing a score of 13,165. I ran it using Cooler Boost though, as my fan profile takes too long to spin up.

 

dont run cooler booster, its impractical. instead, have fans ramp up earlier. try 30,50,100,120,130,140. that should ramp up fast. The reason your hitting high temps at the start of the physics test is fan hysteresis. the fan hasn't caught up to the CPU, so you have to be preemptive.

 

What hard case are you using?

I was thinking I’d like to get a hard sleeve that I can quickly put it in and pull it out of while transporting everyday for work. I work in clients’ homes so the laptop would get moved constantly, backpack unceremoniously dropped in my passenger seat throughout the day.

Anyone have any recommendations or tips?

 

This is the type of stuff that can mislead potential buyers. "Able to run some very high demand games at full settings" - with no info to back up what temps you're getting. I encourage you to run something that challenges the GPU and attempt to use WASD with the "Auto" fan profile. You will see how it is indeed too hot and burns your fingers.

If you want to talk smack, talk it - but back it up.

 

I'm providing you my anecdote. As far as running the numbers and showing proof of it while gaming, I'm still quite new to doing that. But, wasd only gets slightly warm when playing battlefield 1, tomb raider, doom, etc. Maybe it's because you have soft sensitive hands and mine are rough and calloused. I don't know. But you do seem to overly complain about a great laptop that you expect to perform like a desktop. Maybe it's not good enough for you. Maybe you need to go back to a throttled razer blade to keep your precious, soft hands from burning.

 

Near 50c on the keys ain't nice. And dust will fast build up. I'm quite sure it will pass 50C easy And temp will increase as well if you add in the second M.2 NVMe drive.

 

lol. Documenting issues and outlining how to solve them is "overly complaining" - there's no need for fanboyism when it comes to laptops. They all have pluses and minuses. What I am saying is for you to outline that "all is good" is the kind of stuff that gets all of us hyped about the GS65 without realizing that there is some tweaking needed for the best performance.

The facts are:
- "Auto" fan profile is not sufficient from out of the box, and people need to tune their fan profile.
- Throttling will occur without undervolting and that custom fan profile
- It is warm to the touch with WASD which is not optimal for long gaming sessions - and it does "burn"

Through the past few pages I've shown my process of solving the above problems. What have you done but just talk up the laptop as-is so the next chump is going to run into issues without realizing it?

I expect it to perform like a thin and light laptop of which I now have owned 3. It's not like I am new to the concept of what to expect. I have desktop gaming PCs too. I recognize the pros/cons.

 

Anyone have one of these? point it at your keyboard and tell me if it drops keyboard temps / repels sweaty fingers. XD

 

Honestly, 120 F is not much more than the human body temp. But like I said, maybe I just have rough hands and do a lot of work with them and absolutely love the pain of holding a 500lb bar with very sharp kneeling. So my anecdote comes with its own set of variables that are not quite universal.

 

Someone just posted this on reddit, good overview of the problem with GS65 out of the box and ways to fix it (without requiring re-pasting):

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops/comments/8kinhj/msi_gs65_hot_games_cool_temps_and_you_crosspost/