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Change TPL probably doesn't have any effect, the only way to lift off power limit throttle is to make changes in BIOS (metioned several pages ago). Just messing around with Core/Cache and iGPU/SystemAgent. Once you get rid of thermal throttling you should easily get 1200+ cinebench.

 

what's your ram clocks at 2600mhz? (after overclocking)
mine's 19-19-19-43 it was originally running at 2600mhz(made by sk hynix)

 

I didnt change DDR voltage. Check my HWInfo few pages back, there's a screenshot of ram info.

 

Stay focused buddy.

For starters, work on getting your core and cache voltages optimized. This can help reduce temps. A lot of settings in ThrottleStop don't work or has limitations, they are being blocked or overriden by the firmware. It is important that you reduce the temps, then its safer to move on to the next step.

Then, work on the hidden settings in the firmware, be prepared and don't make unnecessary adjustments....

The rest, you can do them slowly later... a lot of the settings in ThrottleStop don't work. You can find out what works and what doesn't later.

The key strategy here is,

1. Reduce the temps
2. Solve the power limit problem through hidden bios settings
3. Make sure your laptop has no problems that may affect performance
-Power LED behavior (I think this is Optimus related)
-Bloatware or programs affecting the Power Led behaviour

If these three are addressed, you will definitely see awesome benchmark scores and the rest is history.

 

@sush33king My don't see my power buttin LED changes color at all during gaming or benching? is it bad?

 

My throttlestop resets after shutdown or restarting the laptop
Any solution?
Edit -
Nevermind, got it, my bad

 

I don't think its bad... its just not optimal. The power draw is lowest when the light is blue. This indicates that NVidia GPU is off.

When gaming, the red light should be activated. When idle, it should be blue. In other words, it is a NVidia GPU usage indicator.

Before i did the bios settings change, i was able to bench above 1260, with no throttle. This was possible only when the led turns blue midway through benching. I think this indicates that on my laptop, Optimus is working properly as it should.

Only when doing bench loops, the throttling starts, after 3 times. I assume the VR cant take it anymore.

When I plug my laptop into my secondary monitor, the red light get activated, meaning that NVidia's GPU is activated, and the power draw increases to above 10 watts. When this happens, it throttles 100 percent of the time when i bench, with the led light staying red throughout.

Due to these observations, I assume that the light turning blue when it should is the right and optimum behavior.

Steam affects the led light behavior. I removed it from startup and my benching improved with the red light deactivating as it should in a timely manner.

 

Oh yeah, now you said it, it probably because I set nvidia graphic to be always on. I reverted back to Optimus and my cinebench score get slightly higher, it's 1272 now =)

 

There will be times it will surge.... wait till you catch one big bench.... these

Try your Cinebench OpenGL bench, it should be higher on Optimus. Your 1070 will rock! My 1060 isnt too bad... its 113 fps with optimus activated.

 

Another point is that you mostly get peak score after a cold boot, in a first 3-4 runs, after that it should drop 10-30 points even though TS doesn't show any throttling. For example my peak score was 1272, but if I run cinebench in loop, it eventually would settle around 1250 (my ambient is about 10C lower than yours so that could be why I got score better)

 

by optimus activated do you mean auto select in nvidia graphic options?

 

@sush33king @Le Quan
Atlast crossed 1200+ mark

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Any tips for removing those throttling issues?
any tips for what to do after removing these issues by {only undervolting(if possible)}?
fans were at auto and ambient temperature at my uni's dorm is 32C

and many thanks for taking your time to help me.

 

Always turn on cooler boost when benching... its just safer that way. Your ambient temps will drive your bench temps really high. You should take care of your baby and not stress it too much. Bench marks on cooler boost is still valid.

It is possible to remove the limit issues through undervolting. However, running multiple benches in a row will cause the VR to throttle, unless you perform the BIOS config changes.

So its a tedious process trying to get the jackpot offsets, coz u gotta let the VR rest in between benches. Its time consuming. I'd just go for the bios change, but that's me.

1. Make sure your led is able to turn blue, it should be blue when idle.
2. Fine tune your undervolting
3. Set your power mode to balanced, "better performance" - not sure about this, but theres where my settings are at.
4. Remove any unwanted startup programs - only if your led is not turning blue

 

Yes.

 

Congrats! Seems like you get rid of thermal issue. Such score is better than 99% of what you see from online reviews of the 8750H. You can try lowering iGPU/systemAgent voltage to see if it helps with the TPL issue.
Regardless, power limit throttling is (eventually) unavoidable without changing settings in the hidden BIOS. This is because there's a time limit for turbo boost, and you cannot change this with ThrottleStop (CPU should be about 60-65W at this point to maintain 3.9GHz at full load, after that it's capped at 45W.hence throttling occurs). Try left Alt + right Ctrl + right Shift + F2 to get into advanced BIOS, check a few pages back and you'll see how to prevent power throttling.
However, given your ambient temp is rather high, and temp is already approaching 90C, unless you willing to turn Cooler Boost on or use the laptop where ambient temp is lower, CPU would be thermally throttled anyways. Still, give it a shot if you want to get them higher score.
P/s: Remember to stress test your system afterwards (~15-20mins of CPU+GPU stress works for me); or maybe just fire up your fav game for a couple hours to see if the system holds up.
P/s2: You can also set another profile to use on battery, with even more aggressive undervolting and SST value sets to much higher so squeeze out more juice on the go.

 

Vr?(what's this?)
Les is Turning blue when idle(nvidia driver controlled, auto select option in nvidia settings and best performance in the battery icon) and turbo, fans in auto in msi dragon center the max temperature was 83° at -0.227 core, -136 gpu(intel), -0.222 cache and the score was 1244
Btw do we have to undervolt sytem agent, analog i/o?

 

Voltage Regulator

 

Usually I put the same value for system agent and igpu, I read somewhere that you should do that.

 

Thats the BIOS settings that will fix the VR problem.

 

Real bench's 15-30 minute stress or a 3 looped benchmark would be fine
At the offsets now(upper post) max temp. 78°C at cooler master.
Btw is there any flaw in having cooler master on while gaming and doing extensive work for longer periods of time?

 

Btw what's your single core cb?

 

Yeah, system agent and gpu offsets should be the same... unclewebb says so.

 

I mean stressing BOTH CPU + GPU at the same time, not just cinebench. (There's one time, my system was stable through 4 loops of cinebench but crashed after ~3hours of gaming on external monitor)

Cooler Boost is hella noisy, thats all the draw back. I can't turn it on if I'm in the room with my friend or in library. Otherwise it significantly reduces the temps, which is amazing.

 

Just did a bench.... it takes so long

 

What tha hell.... the image is so big... sry

 

My 1060 is running a little slower after undervolting cpu any remedy?

 

My Highest cb score up until now 1247

 

My offsets are core,cache -217
Analog i/o is -80
Gpu, system -125
Cinebench is stable upto 4 times(for all tests) at 5th test there's somewhat throttle.(pl1)
Unigine superposition is very stable.
4k, 1080p extreme, 1080p high.
In the real bench benchmark
There's some throttle(pl1,pl2,edp) in encoding test, open cl(only at the end) and system freezes at the heavy multitasking benchmark

 

Great work!

 

@Le Quan is there any remedy for the post i wrote above?

 

Did you perform any CPU + GPU combined test? Something like aida64 extreme for 20mins to make sure system is stable under heavy load.

Also analogue O/I undervolt doesn't affect performance, you can just to revert it to default.

not relavent but here my unigene 1080p Extreme score

 

I did asus realbench's benchmark.

 

about 1250 is super high for a i7 8750H without unlock PL @Gursimran82956 My system got about 1220 before unlocking BIOS.

 

Is there no issue in unlocking bios except that of heating?
Won't there be any type of resistance/conflict if the wattage higher than 45W is given to cpu?
Conflict of the wattage of gpu, cpu my power brick is only 180W though.
Will it won't have any issue in life of the parts if i can do something about cooling? And just last question
Will the throttling stop completely after unlocking bios?(except in case of thermals)
If yes then in that case i can just make profiles for battery, plugged in, plugged in(cooled).

 

180w psu should be sufficient all the time. CPU draws max 70w on Turbo, GPU 80w, 30w for the rest of the system is plenty.

Unlocked BIOS will not give you any increase in game performance. You can only see the benefit if you constantly pushes CPU usage (video encoding or heavy computing). Regardless, it's no hurt to give it a spin to see a better score in benchmark, you can revert it to default whenever you want.

Edit: To be fair, unlock PL might result in shorten the lifespan of CPU. However, realisticly CPU rarely the first thing to break down in laptop, and most games don't even fully utiliize CPU to the point of power throttling anyways (unlike benchmark)

 

@Gursimran82956 I just tried the RealBench test. You should adjust the undervolt setting if your laptop crashes during that benchmark. Try aiming for 15-30mins stable in SRESS TEST, not 5mins of benchmarking.

 

Congrats!!!

 

Thanks guys, you both helped a lot.

 

Look at the temps on this baby.... Le Quans Leopard is ice cold compared to this.

https://pokde.net/tech/rog-strix-scar-ii-gl504gs-review/

 

Such review unit probably runs at stock and auto fan while my rig has been tuned and benchmark most of the time with cooler boost. I bet that Asus would run much cooler with proper tuning. Plus, 1250cb at stock is impressive as hell.

 

From what I read, it has been assumed that asus tweaked the bios already, allowing the system to perform better at the expense of high temps. Undervolting should suffice i think. It does not throttle even when CPU at 95 or 96 deg...

 

That Asus is a beast btw... its got crazy bench scores, top percentile in its class...

 

That's what I mean. Truly impressive performance indeed, the price tag though, is quite chewy.

 

What should be the target temps for gpu, cpu (idle and load) by undervolting?(if we neglect the ambient temperature)

 

Go as low as you can... i think your temps are quite good now. If your offsets are low as -0.2mv, its pretty awesome already. I can't go so low... system becomes unstable. Hell, mine gives problems at -0.15 mv.... sigh....

 

You can try undervolting analog i/o it helped in my case. Try about -80 then -100.6 by this you'll be able to increase other undervolts. I did it that way.

 

Don't select speed step just select c1e

 

Im too dependent on speed step.... and i've undervolted my GPU and Agent to -0.125 already.

 

Just as Sush33king said, and it also depends on how much fan noise you tolerate. If you're paranoid about temp and fan noise, you can customize fan curve to suit your need.