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Wow, I did not know this is everyone else following this same approach?

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Does anyone know how the cooling on this compares to the GS75? Assuming you're using LM on both would this be significantly cooler?

 

Ge75 will definitely be significantly cooler without a doudbt.

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Can’t speak for everyone but many on here yes.

 

MaxQ barf

 

I actually like to use the dragon software that's why I was wondering is there ant proof on this with the voltages changes?

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That's what I'm thinking should be the case. But every time I see the thermals these processors are still all running around 90c with no LM. I expected I'd maybe See like 80c - 85c stock from a model like this, but I just can't find reports anywhere of that occurring? So if the CPU is gonna run the same temp and I'm planning on getting a 2060 anyways, should I just opt for the GS75?

To me it seems like the real advantage of the GE series is if you're trying to run a 2070 or 2080 full card?

 

What if I was planning on going with the RTX 2060 though? Would that just be a terrible idea or? It seems like the full 2060 does pretty well agains the 2070 and 2080 maxQ versions. Obviously, it lags behind the full powered 2070 and 2080 a bit.

 

TBH with my opinion I feel that no laptop that is that thin will be able to keep the current i7850h cool your probably going to need to undervolt the cpu significantly to the point where you might be losing more then 25 percent of the power to see stable temps. Even with liquid metal you may see games reach mid 90's. Technology has come to the point where they can fit these components into thin laptops but I still feel there is no answer in keeping these components cool in thin laptops.

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Maybe checkout the gs65 thread and see what people are reporting on temps

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Yeah, that's kinda my problem. I've been trying to poke through there and CPU temps don't seem to be absurdly high. I'm not really seeing anything over 90c and really closer to like 85c. The 90+ reports I've seen are from GS65 Stealth THIN models, which I think is just the older, original version of the GS65.

 

Hey, welcome.

Yeah it's late here so I will do that for you in the morning, warning though every machine is different copying mine could blue screen your one or maybe it won't be enough, also I don't 100% understand exactly what I'm doing I have a good idea but I'm not a pro so don't take what's there as the workings of a pro lol...

I played with it for days on end hours and hours and then some more hours of cine bench and timespy and stress testing to get it to go past that 10,000 on timespy and I blue screened at least 30 times.

Mine is also not lm pasted it's fully stock.

It's a very capable machine.

Advice would be run cine bench with throttle stop open and see what you get first and see where it throttles and for what and run some benchmarks too.

It really is trial and error me and Lunatik been using different versions of software and getting crazy different numbers but almost the same results with benchmarks so it's down to the system at the end of the day.

Get those posted for you ASAP though!

 

The 2060 will still be maxq which is under locked like a ***** for a true 2060 you'd want the 2080maxq which will be the same at a desktop 2060 or there abouts.. . I which case I'd just get the ge75 2070 ..

Ge75 for the win... Its really not that bulky at all and I was coming from macbook pros which are very thin

 

It's m

I see it as more if a gimmick, gaming profiles etc it's not needed. I'm not sure if it does mess with voltages but it did effect my undervolt a lot so it deffo does something

 

Thanks a lot! Mine is fully stock too, for the moment I have 9224 in TimeSpy, and although I undevolt the cpu core and cache to -134, I'm still getting nearly 90º in BFV with DXR...

 

If you just want lower temps then set your last core to run at 3.5, it won't harm your fps and it run 10-15c cooler!

 

Thats here right? I'm a total noob in this, just getting to this myself after seeing the "adress that HOT 8750H" video

 

Is there a way to disable the the gaming profiles in the app itslef?

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Are you sure about the 2060? Because the guy from GenTech informed me via email that it's regular 2060 non-MaxQ. Even in the Stealth. If you look at this page for MSI it doesn't look like the GPU is a Max-Q variant.

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GS75-Stealth-8SX/Specification

 

yeah man thats right, do me a favor - click on the button next to fivr for the turbo settings etc i cant remeber the name but on TS its next to fivr, let me see what settings you got going on in there also, ... also bottom right 'ok - save voltages immediately' check that!

 

ah man yeah you might be right, I was just going the fact the 2070+ were max Q .. my bad!

 

No worries, I was a bit confused myself because with the old GS65 Stealth 'THIN' line they didn't explicitly list the GPU's as Max-Q either because the idea was that the entirety of the 'THIN' line was being powered by Max-Q. This seems a bit different though as they mark some of them as Max-Q and some as not. But yeah idk I might just get the GE 2070 since it's a full size card. I guess my only point there was that it's prob not worth to get the 2070-2080 MaxQ versions of the stealth and that main reason to get a GE75 would probably be to get the full sized cards, because from everything I can find the processor runs hot stock either way and then great with LM.

Older GS65 with LM -

GE75 /w LM from HID

Normal GE75 - https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwqN7TGKvVM&t=363s

 

There you have! Did the save voltages thing! Thanks a lot!

 

The GS lines has normal and max q variants. For example for this refresh, it can come with a normal 2060, or max q 2070 and 2080.

GE has non max q variants as far as I know.

All of this, is at least for the time being. In the future there might be different skus.

 

Has anyone tested the smaller variant of Raider GE63 with 2080? How are temperatures on it compared to GE75? Other than size it seemed identical in every way including weight, but I'd imagize smaller chassis would cause it to heat bit more.

 

Can somebody let me know about this?

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Hah, I managed to snag the gold edition before they pulled it from the steam too.

I was initially going to only get it on launch day but decided to pre-order it since I will be getting it for sure.

Well, personally I would have hated to get it on epic's store since you can't play it offline even if it is single player only.

 

Watch dogs?

 

You can play games offline, that's a myth. I tested it with Subnautica and it works.

All you do is create a shortcut on your desktop like this;

"C:\Program Files\Epic Games\Subnautica\Subnautica.exe" -EpicPortal

Do the same for any game you want

 

yeah that makes sense, its such a hard choice when buying new tech! fr the cpu I mean yeah it does run hot and its going to run hot in both machines thats for sure, mine is stock paste no LM and no other paste job to mention and im pretty happy with it and its not undervolted like crazy. when i want lower temps I just change the values of the cores because in games im not going to using all 6 cored at 100% no way, so it doesnt matter at all for that. either machine you are going to be happy - unless you get maxq lol.

 

off topic slightly lol BUT , just downloaded that new battle royal, apex legends. free to play too, its not bad! not amazing but free and fun. my user is spuderico420 if you play hit me up!

 

looks fine to me, i did change things in here but it made very little difference, imo undervolt to what you can and then in games set to 3.5 like you did before .... you dont need 6 cored at 4ghz in a game it only uses half the cpu anyway and even when i lowered the cpu to 3.0ghz my fps didnt change. thats my option for cooling while gaming, may not be perfect but it works and its safe.

 

PSA... for anyone who bought the RTX 2080 model from Memory express, you get both battlefield V and anthem for free. You just need to contact their customer support. I got both. Here is a link of the offer from their website. I think this is an Nvidia offer which means other retailers could also be participants.

You get to choose one of them if you bought an RTX 2070 laptop

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Brand/nvidia/GeForceRTXBFVAnthem.Offer.aspx

 

I was able to install both an NVMe drive and replace the ram without removing the heat sync, you have very little room but it is doable

 

You have the GE75 2080? And your talking about in the secondary nvme slot correct?

 

My 8750h suddenly couldn’t keep its speed at 3.9ghz, yesterday it keep slowdown to 3.1ghz after maybe 10 seconds run in R15.

Any idea for it? The temperature barely touch 80 and even I close throttlestop just won’t help.

Did I set something wrong in the dragon center? Or some power scheme problem?

 

Use XTU and increase the turbo power limit from 45w to 80w

 

So don’t use throttlestop?

 

You can try to use the TPL function beside FIVR in throttlestop too, XTU is just typically compatible with more laptops.

 

I will try both. Thanks a lot!

 

Yes and yes.

 

Awesome, thanks for the info. Might get a 32gb kit and another 970 1tb afterall

 

is 32gb needed though really?! if it is im getting it ha

 

Depends on what you will do and want. In some testing with 32gb windows opens up a bit more and things get done faster. 32gb at the moment is the sweet spot for performance imo.

 

For Germany only GE75 2070 without Windows and only 8gb ram though, but for €1900!! Damn nice price imo.
https://m.notebooksbilliger.de/products_id/420873?nbb=pn.md
That’s trusted seller btw

 

Have finished Win10 reinstall, CPU undervolt (-140, -140, -50) and RTX2070 GPU OC (+155, +1220). Results are:

Fire Strike (v1.1):
17 684

Time Spy:
7 961

Cinebench R15:
1166
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Seems stable, but set GPU OC after tests to +145/+1200 just in case.

 

Random question, but is it worth it to upgrade the wireless card on these things if a place like HID Evo is offering it? It seems cheap enough. I just wouldn't wanna end up with something worse as I don't understand much about the cards.

• Killer™ Wireless-AC N1550i 802.11 ac/a/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ Bluetooth 5.0
• Intel® Wireless-AC 9560 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ Bluetooth 5.0 +$35.00
  
  Those are the options it seems.

 

Excellent scores, basically a stock GTX1080 with those scores man! I think the memory clocks might be too high and you are probably running over the point of no performance gain, but I can't be sure as I don't own these machines. For example with my GTX1080 I can put +300mhz memory, and my performance increases. I can put +500mhz and nothing changes, sometimes gets worse, at +600 it still works but it scores worse and worse. Turns out there is a bit of error correction going on, it prevents the GPU from crashing but in the end, the performance gets hit and also it limits your core clocks a bit, so I can clock the core higher at lower memory etc.

They are the same physical card, just different software. The Killer comes with the suit and drivers (you can remove them if you don't want them, use stock drivers and no magic). IMO its a useless change in this case. It is best to invest in a high end router

 

I prefer Intel as Killer is known to be unreliable in the past. I did the upgrade to the Intel 9560 and its been perfect. Personal preference really.

 

Intel has been unreliable in the past as well so you shouldn't just base it off like that, in my opinion. Half of the issues I had with my killer cards in previous models, were actually issues with my router as well.

But now they are the same card and different software. I wonder if we could "flash" it to be a regular intel.