*** The Official MSI GE75 Raider Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

Oh, is that the new nvidia control panel via windows store? so it's a UWP thing?

 

No idea but it worked lol.

 

Not sure if it’s been discussed but how loud do the fans get under load/gaming on the auto fan profile?
I know with max fans it gets pretty loud but cool but was wondering how cool and temps are with auto fans.
This is looking more and more like a amazing laptop so far.
@drek20
I see you have a very cool running laptop with LM did you get that on both your CPU and GPU?
Hidevolution is great but GenTechPC offers the same upgraded cooling options for free!
Saves a lot of money!

 

I'm considering purchasing the GE75 with 2080, but looking through a lot of the comments here it seems that for 1080p gaming with the 2080, the CPU becomes the bottleneck, which leads me to believe that the 8750H is just not powerful enough to drive such a beastly GPU.

Given Intel just released their 9th series Coffee Lake chips, I'm guessing we'll have a 9750H by summer 2019, so perhaps better to wait for that? Or even a possible Icy Lake mobile chip in 2020? Just be a shame to spend $4k on this laptop now with the 8750H and know that you're basically only ever utilising 80% of your GPU (so it's basically a stunted 2080).

Unless of course the 8750H is upgradeable? Or is it permanently soldered to the board?

 

I blacked out while I was virtual window shopping for a GE75 2070 on GenTechPC earlier this morning. When I came to, I got an email saying I ordered one with a 2080 in it. What do I doooo?!

 

Been pondering this as well, but then there's the question in the back of my mind:

"In the next few years, might I decide to finally dip my feet into VR?"

Because even if the built-in panel is 1080p, and even if I don't plan to use my laptop with a conventional monitor, if I ever decided to get a Vive or the like -- that may push things beyond what a 1080p screen would need. 2080 might still be overkill, ofc.

 

the term bottleneck is always thrown but in my opinion, used incorrectly. There is ALWAYS a bottleneck. If the GPU is fast, the CPU won't keep up. If the CPU is fast, the GPU won't keep up. Something will always be the limit, but the actual use of bottleneck was meant when performance was seriously hurt, to the point not only was another component was greatly underutilized, but also performance was seriously hurt.

The CPU is not really a bottleneck, and GPUs of the caliber of a 2080 were not made for 1080p gaming in mind. The 9th series of intel are the same arch as 8th, which gives you 0 improved performance per clock.

The figures you put seems wrong. You can easily use 100% of your GPU even at 1080p. And remember that you are not bound to only use your monitor, you can always hook up to an external demanding 4K display and make your computer cry

Anyways there is no reason to wait. There will no improvements for GPU and CPUs for the entire year.

 

2080 is not overkill for VR. VR requires copious amounts of power to drive high framerate at high resolution. Even my GTX1080 was not enough when enabling supersampling, which greatly cleans the visuals.

VR is awesome, and you can get by with much weaker GPUs like the 1060, but that only gives you the bare minimum required. If you are interested in VR, I would invest in the strongest GPU you can buy. I went with the GTX1080 due to this, and it was fantastic, but some of the more demanding games showed me there is room for improvement

 

Raise the TDP of the 8750h in BIOS. No bottleneck worries there.

I went for the 2070 as it was $800 cheaper.

 

There will be improvements to CPUs for sure, the 9th generation Intel chips are coming out, by summer if not earlier.

Whether or not they significantly improve anything remains to be seen (and benchmarked) since they're still 14nm, but they will have hardware mitigations against all that Spectre nonsense so at least there's that, if no solid other improvements.

Again, bit of a moot point if the CPU on the GE75 is actually upgradeable. Would be very keen to know if it is, or if it's permanently soldered on to the board.

 

It’s soldered on board. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a modern mobility series processor that wasn’t, just the few giant gaming laptops with LGA sockets.

 

Stop drinking so early in the day
Keep the order anyway.....

 

the 9th gen is the 8th gen arch, there is no improvement there. In the desktop world the shift for the higher end products came from higher core counts (8 core and 8 core with HT vs 6 core with HT) but 8600k and 9600K are basically identical and perform identically. It is unrealistic to expect anything mostly because laptops are TDP constrained so even if they released a higher clock version of the same CPU, or an 8 core no HT cpu, it will perform the same as the desktop world showed us, except limited clocks.

But yeah, the CPU is not upgradeable and I am not worried about it. The biggest change was increase to 6 core and that alone is a big jump. User tweaking can keep the CPU relevant for a long while. Even 4 cores with HT are still more than capable.

Laptop CPUs became non upgradeable due to market trends, like the ever increase search for ultra thin machines. Only some of the higher end, bulkier machines from a couple of manufacturers allow desktop CPUs. And even then, you are limited to that gen anyways, so you can't really go anywhere there with time.

Due to TDP constrains, I doubt we will see a working 8 core, 16 thread CPU for "laptop" this year. It would be like 100W at least and wont fit most models.

 

My CPU and GPU are both LM. Yes the laptop is fantastic.

 

Of course the CPU isn’t upgradeable. If you wait for new tech you will be forever since their is always new tech on the way lol.

 

Patiently wait for it to arrive?

 

Almost managed to hit that 10000 mark in TimeSpy. That additional RAM stick made a huge difference in CPU score.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33220339?

 

Nice! Lmao your 3dmark username

 

Fair points all about CPU and upgrades.

Quick couple of questions for anyone who this laptop, if someone can help me out, would greatly appreciate it:

- is there G-Sync?

- do the BIOS have a legacy boot/CSM option (for installing Windows 7)?

- do the BIOS have proper undervolting options (for the CPU) exposed?

 

No gsync, not really that useful on a 144hz screen anyways.

Yes it does.

It does, but you need to unlock them, they are hidden default. You can also do a few BIOS tweaks to raise the TDP (well to fool it into thinking the actual value is 20w lower, giving you 65w).

 

Writing you from my new GE75 8SF, happy me

Someone have positive expirience with Windows reinstall on GE75? I have heard about problems with sound after this procedure, even when drivers from MSI site is installed. Also I don't want to loose license, so maybe you can share safest way to do it.

Also I have read Notebookcheck undervolt manual, but I feel that you guys know more about CPU tweaks. I see words like "boost multipliers" (or smthn), and looks like there are more safe ways (no overclocking) to improve CPU power.

 

I have only reinstalled windows with my GT73 and I had no problems whatsoever. The CD key is embedded into the motherboard so you shouldn't have problems reinstalling the same version of windows. But if that makes you nervous, you can setup a windows account of your current machine and it will be "activated" with your account as well.

As for CPU tweaks, the most common is to undervolt, which can actually give you more performance as you have more power headroom to boost. Additionally should reduce the temperatures.

 

How do you unlock the undervolt BIOS settings?

 

You could either get a custom BIOS from Svet on the MSI forums (€15), or use the unlock keypress combo.

I haven’t gotten around to comparing the two yet, I have a Svet BIOS on my GS65, but I will just unlock my GE75 normally (haven’t had much time to tinker, only picked it up last night).

 

I have reinstalled a clean version. Everything works fine.

 

Thank you for the answers.

So I'm totally new to MSI (having previously only used Clevo) and am afraid I'm unfamiliar with the MSI BIOS scene.

I'm guessing Svet is the equivalent of Prema for BIOS mods for MSI, but I'm not sure at all what you mean by the unlock keypress combo, could you please elaborate a bit on that? Is it something of a Konami code which unlocks all the proper BIOS options? If so, then why would anyone pay Svet for unlocked BIOS if they can do it themselves with a combo keypress?

 

Indeed, it’s a few key sequence. Haha, I’m going to start referring to it as the Konami code from now on...

I’m not 100% sure why, perhaps some other MSI doesn’t have easily unlockable BIOS, or perhaps Svet includes other features (I’ll figure this out in a bit).

 

Indeed it is a konami code but in reality you need to press a certain number of keys at the "same time" during BIOS menu. This opens up additional menu options, some very convoluted, some easy to find, and some probably legacy.

Just keep in mind that improper setting of some values can cause some headaches and requires CMOS reset, such as putting wrong, unstable voltage values. As you know, using this code is at your own risk, and its best to properly read or ask before moving some settings.

If the task seems dauting, you can always go the "safer" route using throttlestop for the CPU settings.

 

Well, this is kind of cool....

Currently the #1 RTX 2070 score on Port Royal right now at 4580.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33228264?

 

Reran Time Spy and got my cpu score up. Graphics score 7617, cpu 6816, overall 7485


https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33229168?


I replaced the 16gb stick and nvme and did a fresh install of Win10 again. Low frame rate in planes now is much better. Never goes below 65FPS and tops out at 120. Now I'm very happy with this unit.

 

7996

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33230747?

18136 on Firestrike

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33230952?

 

@AWholeHam What did you do to get the higher video score?

NVM. I see you overclocked the 2070 a bit.

 

Mild overclock in afterburner.

 

My last few benchmarks show 3993mhz on cpu for some reason even though my cores are all set to 41 in afterburner. Wonder why?

Also are you on 418.81 drivers?

 

Made quite a difference. I might play with that on the weekend.

 

Can you other GE75 owners check your nvidia ansel folder and see if your missing the .exe required for disabling it? Seems I do not have it. Also if you upload it somewhere for me that would be awesome.

 

Hitting PL1 and throttling down? I was doing the same before increasing the TDP in BIOS.

Yup, same drivers.

 

Not sure, I reverted back to 417.22. How can I increase the power limit in the BIOS?

Also do you have the nvidia ansel .exe file? Mines missing and trying to disable ansel.

C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\Ansel\Tools\
NvCameraConfiguration.exe

If you do anyway you send me it?

 

I can check in the am and send it if you havent found it by then

 

If you unlock your BIOS, it’s through the advanced options. You need to be VERY CAREFUL with the unlocked options, as you can permanently damage or brick the laptop if you change something wrong.

I can write up some steps when I have free time this weekend.



Does anyone know if Dragon Center artificially gimps the GE75 like it does with the GS65?

Considering switching to just Silent Option, but I am worried that hideous USB lighting will turn itself back on.

 

If you want PM me the steps, would be much appreciated. I just want to increase the CPU tdp and wouldn’t be touching anything else.

 

On it's way

 

Got it thanks, odd I didn’t have it in the first place.

 

Glad I could help.

 

This is what I did on my GP63, try if it works on yours
left Alt, right Ctrl, right Shift + F2 (in that order) to access to hidden bios settings

CPU Power and Performance ->CPU VR Settings->Core I/A Domain->

IMON SLOPE=50
IMON OFFSET PREFIX=negative
IMON OFFSET= 31000
This setting will trick the laptop with false wattage reading, hence allow CPU to run without limit

P/s: attemp at your own risk though.

 

I cleared my undervolt via throttlestop and disabled my task for it to run at startup. I got an issue though, throttlestop isnt running but im booting in with a -65 undervolt for some reason? I need to clear that up before I raise the TDP. Any idea's?

 

i dont know

 

HID had an undervolt in the hidden bios. Reset and completed the mod successfully

 

Hello guys, I have a GE 75 Raider 8SG, with the 2080 (stock), I want to buy another 16 GB stick, it should be a concrete brand or can be this for example? https://www.amazon.es/HyperX-Impact...id=1549544451&sr=1-3&keywords=ram+sodimm+16gb

And, do you use any kind of USB C Hub? Because I'm looking something but I can't find any USB C Hub Gen 2 (10 Gbps).

Thanks a lot!

 

So I completed the BIOS mod successfully however when benching I'm still seeing 3993mhz on the cpu. My CPU package power in HWINFO is showing 31w(so 51?). Using 5 / 5 for loadlines.