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Wtf. You scored higher than the 2080 model... why? can anyone confirm this?

Usage will me mainly for 3d rendering and adobe products, so two extra cores are appreciated especially if i repaste it with liquid metal on hidevolution..

 

The 2080 will score 26-27k or so graphics

 

Could I please trouble someone here who has done a repaste for some help? Does the heatsink-fan assembly in the GE75 use copper as the direct contact to the CPU + GPU, or is it nickel plated copper?

I ask because I'm considering using Liquid Metal on this laptop, however, you should never, ever apply LM directly to copper heatsinks, only nickel plated copper, hence my question.

If anyone has actually done the repaste and knows for sure that the contact points are copper, if you could please let me know I would greatly appreciate it.

 

It's copper, you can LM

 

You should never use LM on pure copper:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-compatibility-with-copper-heat-sinks.800890/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-works-why-it-fails-and-how-to-use-it.809332/


If you do decide to use LM on pure copper (not recommended), you will need to reapply it every few weeks/months for several weeks/months until your copper surface has absorbed all the gallium it's going to. Until it hits that saturation point though, your LM will "dry out" day by day as the gallium moves from the LM compound into the copper surface, thus greatly reducing your thermal interface surface area to the point that you have no more TIM left (and hence need to reapply more LM). This is why some people talk about LM "drying out" over time, but that only happens with copper heatsinks, and it's true, only it's not actually drying, it's alloying itself with the copper.

It's just not worth it. The only time you should use LM is on a nickel plated surface as nickel has almost no reactivity with the gallium in the LM.

 

Well my GT75 was remaster with LM 2 years ago and temps never moved...


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I'm aware of all this (I did a LOT of research) , yet i still decided to carry on with my LM repaste.

I'm OK with opening up my laptop once every year. And I've done some preventative measures to slow the drying process like pre-plating the surface of the heatsink with LM and using foam dams to seal it up from air.

 

how did you go about installing the driver? did you uninstall nahimic and realtek audio console first before starting the steps in the guide? im getting errors after installing it like the dolby tab not showing up in properties

 

update dolby tab appears on the digital audio s/pdif but not in speakers

 

switched to realtek 8684, but uninstall realtek audio console before you install it. i notice you lose about 15points of volume when you have it, so far this is the loudest i can get my speakers. still feel that when i first got the laptop it was still louder and better overall but this comes abit close.

 

Yea same issue Dolby only appears on s/pdif but headphones quality was much better for me (on ath-m50x) and yea you won't have the perfect audio from the speakers that easily but I e trick that worked for me putting the laptop on a coolermaster u3 on a solid table which made the sound bounce a perfectly compared to other setups.

 

lol we have the same headset, yes way better performance on headphones but volume on speakers is way too low, i even got the dolby name to appear on device manager doing a clean install of the sound drivers but still it wont work for the speakers, so best is still 8684 without realtek audio console. headphones performance isnt too bad on it tho.

really cant replicate the sound quality and volume when i 1st got it

 

Apologies if this was answered earlier, but what has been the general consensus of this thread regarding the GE75 in terms of 9880H vs 9750H? I cannot find any legitimate reviews online of the 9750 variant, only 8750 and 9880.

Aside from the two extra cores, you technically get better single core performance as well, since core 0 can boost up to 4.8 GHz in the 9880 vs 4.5 in the 9750. So this would seem to indicate that the 9880 is still better even if you're using it primarily for gaming, not to mention games which utilise all the cores (Ubisoft games), but is it so much better so as to warrant an extra $700? From what I could gather from Notebookcheck's review of the GE75 9SG, the 9880H is ~10% FPS better in most games.

Have there been any direct comparisons in this thread between the two? Any general consensus as to whether it's worth that extra $700 premium for the 9880H? I'm talking purely from a gaming perspective, not content creation or encoding or cinebench.

 

I think it’s not worth the extra cost. There a thermal factor and the 9880 is going to be more limited by thermals
But you are totally right, an answer from a guy who own a 9880 is better

EDIT: does anybody can share the thermal pads configuration? Where to put differente height of thermal pads

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I don't think its worth it at all what I would recommend is getting an external G-Sync monitor with something like 2560x1440 144hz for the difference which will give you a better gaming experience specially that you are using the DP and skipping the Intel GPU overhead.

Just my 2 cents

 

This is quite a contentious issue for me and why I'm still dithering on this laptop despite wanting so badly to buy it since March 2019. I love G-Sync, I think it's the best thing ever. But having an external monitor, to me, negates the entire concept of a gaming laptop, there's no point to buying a gaming laptop then, just buy a desktop. Because you can't take that monitor with you. And if you're sedentary often enough with your gaming laptop to be using an external monitor, then just get a desktop and thus have an even more powerful CPU + GPU. Do you really need a gaming laptop if you're at home sitting at a desk so often that you can use an external monitor?

This is a bit of rant, but I really don't understand why so many brands have ditched G-Sync for 2019, even though the technology for a MUX switch exists and it's pretty easy and cheap to implement. Why on earth does the GE75 not have it? Or even the new GT76 when the older GT75 did have it? It just boggles my mind. Meanwhile a few Clevo and ASUS laptops have it, but not all. It's so frustrating being a laptop buyer in 2019. I would pay MSI $5k for a GE75 with G-Sync, I have no idea why they won't release one.

The only alternative to the GE75 for G-Sync lovers it the new HP Omen 17 cb0002na, but it sadly is much larger: it's a full inch wider (Y axis), and half an inch longer (X axis), so it's no longer a 15.6" form factor like the GE75. But it does have G-Sync and TB3 and it's the same thickness (Z axis). It's identical in X and Y dimensions as the old Alienware m9750 if you remember that one.

The GE75 is an architectural wonder, it's the same size as my Clevo P650RS (a 15.6" laptop), but with a full 17.3" screen and a 2080. Not to mention unlockable BIOS with all the tweaks you could ask for. And yet it lacks G-Sync which is like a dagger to the heart. Who are these people who actually prefer Optimus (with all its various issues working with legacy games and enb injectors) to G-Sync? Are people seriously doing 3D gaming on battery? I've been buying gaming laptops since 2006 and I've never once used battery power for anything other than to send some quick emails. As far I'm concerned, that battery in a gaming laptop is really just a UPS.

 

I have to agree with every point you have mentioned specially the frustrating MUX bull... that these manufacturers are pulling off, what the hell are they even thinking about it can't be greed when the 5k gt76 doesn't even have it......

And my point was that the benefits of the 9980h are just "nearly" none existent in gaming and the 700 is just better spent off in something else (My example) or literally any other upgrade.

And one more point, Me and many others use our laptops as desktop replacement and as I travel a lot.
having that monitor or even a full setup (monitor+keyboard+mouse+headphones+extra charger) waiting at home for me to just plug my laptop when I arrive makes it much easier than just having two machines.
but I understand that you might not be able to use it as a desktop replacement and more like a traditional laptop that can game anywhere.

 

So you guys suggest to go Liquid Metal or not?

I want it to be an ever-lasting solution.. no need to open it up every X year.

I would buy it on hidevolution and make them repaste it.

 

I would strongly recommend you do NOT use Liquid Metal, for all the reasons I posted earlier and those two links which discuss the chemistry involved with LM.

You cannot argue with the chemistry, full stop. Gallium and copper do fuse together, removing the gallium from the LM and leaving you with a dry, brittle dust left over and pitting in your copper. LM only works if you understand this and are prepared to handle it correctly, which means reapplying it time after time until the reaction reaches a saturation point.

It's not a fire and forget solution when used with copper. With nickel, yes, but not copper.

If I was in your shoes, I would go with a highly quality thermal paste instead. And if you do that, then I would recommend GenTechPC over HID because GenTech offer Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut paste and HID for some reason only offers Gelid Extreme, which is a worse paste (if you check the manufacturer websites for both, you'll see Kryonaut has a better thermal conductivity)

Also, Gentech will do the repaste + Fujipoly pads for free and gives you a free extra year of warranty.

I like HID immensely, but the fact that they don't offer Kryonaut plus insist on charging for the repaste + pads when their competitor does not is strange.

 

Thank you for the suggestion man!

My problem is that I live in Italy. I don't know what kind of warranty GenTech PC offers..

 

Happy to help!

GenTech offer a 1 year global warranty for MSI laptops. I don't know if this can be extended or if they ship internationally. I would contact them and find out.

 

There are regional and global warranty offered by MSI.
Typically, regional warranty is 2-year, and global is 1-year (service locations are limited, few are restricted and not participating).

 

I got the GE63 with a 2070. It is a new laptop and playing around with it .so the idle temps are around 35 to 45 with no throttle stop enable.with Dragon center enabled I can get the CPU to stay at 3.5 playing bf5. Temps around 83 to 88 and sometimes it's 91 not for very long just a second or so. Throttle stop I can run it at 3.7 when I undervolt. What is the temps supposed to be like? Using factory paste.

 

Temperature will be capped at 96~97C max but you don't want that so it's best if you can start tuning down visual settings in the game to help to reduce temperature.

 

While maybe not ideal, you may also try turning the max multiplier down to 33 or 34. Sometimes the smallest decrease will help a ton and not hurt your FPS much if at all. See how low you have to go to make a temp difference and then decide is it worth the loss in performance. Could be 0 fps, 5 fps or 10 or more just depends.

It may just be that you have a bad paste job or just he way the GE63 is built. I've done this forever on thin laptops and it's worked well for me, albiet I'm giving up some CPU performance in exchange for lower temps.

 

Hi,

Does someone knows where to buy a ChiMei N173HCE-G33 panel ? I live in Europe. On Ebay they usually sell "compatible" model

 

Not sure about the EU but as a person that has to deal with not living in the US, I would say check Aliexpress (Can be a little scary but there are a lot of reputable sellers over there)

 

The dragon center on my GT75 suddenly not working today, anyone experience same problem?

 

Please tell me.In games the picture quality and fps which laptop is better, ge75 with full hd or gt 76 4k but with the screen in 60 Hertz?

 

4k will look "better" but 144hz is just so much more fluid when gaming. So much so that I don't think I can go back to 60hz after trying and using 144hz.

 

Can someone with the GE75 please provide some clarity on how to take off the bottom panel to access the motherboard? Specifically, I've read about some confusion regarding a rear black plastic panel which gets in the way and is easily broken.

I've found a video online which shows how difficult it is to get the bottom panel off, and this video also says you need to remove the small rear black plastic panel as well, but the video does not show how to correctly remove this rear small, black panel:




I'm worried about breaking this rear, small, black plastic panel, and I'm also not seeing any instructions on how to remove it. I've read some replies in this forum which state you don't actually need to remove it in order to take off the bottom panel, but from the video above, it does not seem possible to remove the bottom panel without also removing the rear plastic piece too.

If anyone could please post some detailed instructions, or preferably a photo/video of how to remove the bottom panel with regards to instructions about the rear black panel, I would greatly appreciate it.

 

I see there is a new bios out today, has anyone tried it?

 

On it.

Changelog:

New BIOS : E17E2IMS.113
ROM CheckSum : 0x461E
Release Date : 2019.9.18

;--------------------------- Description ------------------------------------;

1.Update OD panel //AUO Panel; B173HAN05.0

Looks like nothing serious.

 

You beat me! Was just going to post the changelog.

 

Hey can I ask you for a favor?

Can you please run the aida64 memory bench and share your results with the HyperX ram and what clocks and timings you have.

Thanks

 

Sure, I'll try and get to that this evening.

 

AUO Panel - isn't it the AU Optronics panel? Maybe they fixed the ghosting that some owners reported?

Oh, my 1st post here. My GE75 9SG will arrive tomorrow

 

You can overclock your ram in the bios if you didnt know.

This is my bench

 

Can you please tell me in detail how you overclock the ram to 3000-3200mhz in this thing? I have HyperX ram modules.

I tried to follow the guide posted in the forum, touching the trefi value but was unable to achieve anything

 

First, check you memory dies using thaiphoon burner. This will give essential information on how far you can expect to overclock and what is the max safe voltage you can use 24/7.

After you go in to bios. Hold down Left Alt, right control and right shift then press F2. This will get you into advanced bios.

Go to Advanced, overclocking and then memory.

I've looked high and low for one fits all memory overclocking guide but unfortunately there's no such thing. There's only the general guide of raising voltage to what you're comfortable with, trying a reasonable frequency and timing, then fine tuning using trial and error to find the right balance between memory clocks and timing.
Secondary timings have no pattern however. It's all trial and error.

 

I've been debating about it.

 

First congrats on the 9SG and hope you love it, maybe they did although mine is 4.0 so I cant say what changes are there.

This is my bench on the stock ram (Overclocked) I guess upgrading the ram wont be needed at all.

Thanks

This is as simple as it gets http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...advanced-version.823065/page-13#post-10898033

 

Hey guys can someone with a core i9 model post the results on Cinebench R15? And tell if the CPU is repasted or not

 

Hmm... I've been debating about giving LM a try but a bit concerned as my laptop most days sits on a little stand at a 45(ish) degree angle.

I have some K5 Pro and was wondering about using that as a dam around the die on the gpu and cpu. Ideas or concerns about doing this?

 

can you let me know how to get this working I installed RW everything in C:\Program Files\RW-Everything do I need to do something else in order for this to work?

 

It's all you need to do. But in my case, it doesn't work if the laptop have been put to sleep

 

Hey guys i have 8750H and 2080, today i repasted with Mastergel Nano Maker, i cleaned everything and pasted. I also have throttlestop, but still i get thermal throttling.

 

Anyone with the 8sf 2070 model, what video overclock settings are you using?

 

Might want to dissemble again and check your repaste. Shouldn't be that high after a repaste.
Also, look into undervolting.

I just redid mine again with Kryonaut and K5 Pro on the vrm and I max at 72 on CPU and GPU