*** The Official MSI GE75 Raider Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

Don't think I need LM... after another repaste and using Kryonaut on CPU and GPU and the K5 Pro on the rest, temps are great.
After an hour of gaming, max temp lowest I've seen on this unit.

 

I did undervolt -127 core, -145 cache. I also did the repasting 3 months ago and it was still the same. How could repaste go wrong? Btw RTX 2080 does not go above 80 celcius, same paste.

 

Could be too thick/thin, hsf may not be sitting flush, some debris may have got trapped. Few things could cause it. I'm assuming you never saw any temp drops after you repasted? From your graph looks like you are hitting 100, that leads me to believe there is something physically going on and first thing I'd do is check the paste.

Also, you may want to look at the bios tweaks that are in this thread and limiting your max boost speed.

 

Boost speed is limited for 6 cores @3.7 Ghz so thats not a problem. I am guessing i did the repaste twice so I think its unlikely to I fail to do them correctly? I don't want to spend 30$ for K5 and Kyronaut if the same thing is going to happen and RTX is doing okay at 80 celcius on max even CPU idles at 47 celcius. What is your ambient temperature maybe thats the case? Because mine is 27 celcius.

 

Was around 23C

 

Hello all!

Does anybody can tell what thickness of thermal pads we need and where to put each different thickness?

Thanks

 

Does anyone know if there is any pattern to which variants of the GE75 come with the inferior AUO panel? Is it only certain variants of the GE75 which have the AUO or only GE75s sold in certain regions?

For example, does anyone know if the GE75 9SG sold in the USA ever comes with the AUO panel or does this variant+region always comes with the better Chi Mei panel?

 

Bought mine through the official MSI Shop in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia and they told me that they only get the models with AUO panels. So might be dependant on the region.

 

Is there a program that unlocks voltage adjustment for the Nvidia card I see that afterburner won't allow me to change it.

 

Dragon center: keep it or uninstall? Do it interferes with XTU?

How to regulate Fans speed if i don't have dragon center? what about other settings?

 

I installed dragon center but do not normally run it, I only run it to enable the USB lights. I haven't used XTU since Throttlestop came out but I would guess that yes dragon center does not play well with XTU or TS. Seems like it can mess with clocks and/or undervolt and other settings.

I use the max fan button of course, but also have the MSI silent option fan software (think it was an old version posted somewhere on here) and it works great. I have mine tweaked to run nearly silent when not doing much and ramp up fast to the max when it heats up.

 

Forget about it found a way to do it is msi afterburner.

 

I dont think its possible to raise the voltage in MSI afterburner

 

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...-quot-voltage-control-quot-in-MSI-Afterburner. Works good I did not have to change the the priority tab all I done was edit to file.

 

Tested it, Not working.

It opened the voltage slider but it doesn't affect anything.

 

I didn't play with it just thought it's a slider move it would work. So my next question is how do people do it.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mobile-pascal-tdp-tweaker-update-and-feedback-thread.806161/

This but you will need a BIOS hard programmer and I would not recommend doing it at all.

 

Thank you

 

I don't see a big problem with the locked voltage controller, but with the power limiter. I have plenty of room for more GPU power because the temps are quite low and there's some room on the power brick also.

I'm talking to Svet on MSI forums to check if he's able to modify my VBios raising the power limit and make it flasheable with NVFlash. I don't have the courage to use a BIOS hard programmer.

Regarding voltage, with MSI Afterburner you can run the overclock scanner, then lock the voltage and frequency that you want. Or even leave the voltage/clock curve that the scanner makes (it's very good indeed) and maybe slide up some more MHz on core and memory.

That's how I achieved my best 3dmark scores. I got 9819 on 3DMark Time Spy (10589 graphics / 6954 CPU). Max CPU Temperature 75, Max GPU Temperature 68, ambient temperature 22.

On Afterburner: overclock curve and +150 MHz core, +750MHz memory

 

IF Svet can do that then I am ready, and try to push the memory a little further as mine is running perfectly at 1250mhz and will bench at 1500mhz

 

Hello everyone.

I need information for the ge75 9se. Is the screen a Chi mei or an AU Optronics. I ask because I heard that Chi mei are better.

Currently I hesitate between 2 model msi ge75 9se and Acer predator 300 rtx 2060. I try to find what is the best.

Thank for the help

 

Dragon Center not working after recent windows update. Can't seem to get it to run. Tried installing the latest version but the installer failed to execute. Event Viewer logged the error as "Faulting module path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\d3d9.dll".

Anyone having the same problem?

Any help will greatly be appreciated.

 

I have a GE75 9SE. It's a Chi Mei on my unit. 17 inch 144hz

 

I think you find Chi Mei or AUO.

In my case, I have a 9SG (9750h) whit AUO.

It's a big downgrade compare to my previous chi mei screen

 

Found the soln, close rivatuner and all works well.

 

Thank you for your help. I hope to have a Chi mei.

I would like to know level robustness, the msi are how? They are fragile. Those who have it for more than 6 months. Do you find it robust?

Are you satisfied with the computer?

 

So I was all set to purchase a GE75 this week, but then read the news that Nvidia Ampere for gaming will definitely be released in the first half of 2020. With 2020 now so close, am wondering if it's not more prudent to just wait for Ampere at this point?

Thing is, the 2080 which is currently in the GE75 is already overkill for 1920x1080p gaming, and is not the thermal bottleneck to the system, the bottleneck is actually the CPU which hits power limits long before the GPU. Assuming you only ever play games on the native panel at 1080p, I'm wondering if waiting for a GE75 with RTX 3080 would bring substantial benefits? Some benefits, yes, like better RTX performance, but you won't realise the full benefits of the raster performance increase if you only ever game at 1920x1080p.

To give an example, if you use Notebookcheck's mobile GPU games benchmark comparison, and look at the 1070 (laptop) compared to 2080 (laptop), you'll see the average fps gain at 1080p-ultra is around 30-50% improvement, but at 4k-ultra it is 100% average improvement. The delta between a 2080 and 3080 might be quite similar, such that you're not capturing that linear performance upgrade if you're gaming only at 1080p.

Quite a difficult decision to make.

 

High refresh rate gaming is a thing. That and hopefully we'll finally get 1440p screens as a standard. Or high refresh 4k oleds.

 

Yeah, I guess waiting is the better option, especially since Ampere seems to be the real deal in terms of generational performance increase since there's a substantial node shrink. The other downside is, Intel Ice Lake H series chips, or whatever the next H series will be which is NOT 14nm, isn't coming until 2021, so even if Ampere mobile cards hit the market in 2H 2020, you're not going to want to pair them with 14nm CPUs, so then you're better off waiting until 1H 2021 for a proper next-gen laptop.

Spending $4000 today on the very EOL of 14nm CPU and Turing, which was really Pascal+, just kind of hurts, because you know when Ampere drops it will be something really special and you're going to feel pretty miserable having shelled out so much for a 2080 laptop just 9 months before. If Ampere was still 2 years away, then buying today would be easier, but it's just 6-9 months away.

 

It really depends on how satisfied you are currently with your existing setup.

I had a budget laptop for on the go and a desktop for gaming which isn't ideal since I move around quite a bit. Getting the GS75 was a humongous step up for me.

If I had gotten a midrange-ish laptop I'd probably still be using that and waiting for ampere.

 

I'm in a sort of similar situation, I currently have a Clevo P650RS which is my sole personal laptop and is still reliable and plays games well. However, I have another laptop for work, an ASUS ROG GU501, which has a better keyboard and an 8750H, compared to the ageing 6820HK in the Clevo. Both laptops are 15.6" but with old school wide bezels. When I travel (which is often), I have to take both laptops, which is annoying as hell. Two laptops and two sizeable power bricks in carry-on.

I was thinking of buying the GE75 to essentially combine both laptops into one, keeping the 15.6" form factor but going up to a 17.3" screen. The GE75 would be an ideal laptop to have for both work and personal, and the nature of my work makes use of the GPU, so having a better GPU for both gaming and work would also be good. (The 2080 does mixed precision fp16, whereas the 1070 does not)

Only problem is the cost. For the 9880H GE75, plus some SSDs, you're looking at $4k. That's an awful lot of money to spend now, when Ampere comes out in 6-9 months. That's the real hangup I have. If it was cheaper, say $2.5k, then I would just do it, keep it for 2 years, then upgrade to Ampere + Ice Lake H. But $4k is a really bitter pill to swallow for then upgrading again in 2 years. For $4k, you're kind of obligated to keep it for at least 4 years I feel.

 

Spending $4k on a GE75 would be questionable even a year ago. It's just not worth that much as MSI's tier down from flagship. The i9-9880H specifically is just too expensive as well, at a $700 to $900 premium for the two extra cores. No CPU is bringing the added performance that makes it worth that much, unless maybe it's for productivity at a high paying job that pays for itself.

A further real truth of the matter is that a person with a GTX 1070 equipped laptop, gaming at 1080p which the 1070 is still killing, should be thinking long and hard about why they aren't altogether skipping RTX 2000 laptops anyway. The only reason I am considering the Raider-645 is that I have a "take it or leave it" offer from MSI of $1500 instead of $2499 due to the trade in fiasco.

A final point to consider, regarding timeline, is that while desktop Ampere will be launching in Q2, history shows the laptops drop 4-5 months later. So we are likely looking at a Fall 2020 release for the gaming chips and machines.

I guess my personal conclusion is that anyone waiting needs to be prepared for a 12 month purgatory, and anyone buying now but anticipating Ampere needs to make a wise financial decision. If you are doing the latter I consider any $3k+ machine sporting a 9880H or 9980HK outside of that realm. The $4k figure is absolute madness.

 

In France, you can buy the GE75-9SG at 2500eur. I had mine at 2300eur, with 230eur of coupon for a next order, so It put the GE75 9SG at 2070eur which is a super price for:
- 9750h
- 2080
- 2*8GB of ram
- 1TB nVME
And cherry on the cake, the shop had a plan that they re-buy your computer 80% of the original price (in coupons) if you sold them the computer within the 1st year.

So, if anything better come before mid-september 2020, I will have a coupon of ~1800eur for it

When you see that the 9880h come at 3500eur, it's pointless to buy it.

 

You bring up some fair points, and I totally agree, at a $700 premium, the 9880H is grossly, disgustingly overpriced, however, if and only if you're buying the GE75 to keep for 4-5 years, then maybe possibly you can make a case that 8 cores is a lot more future proof than 6, maybe. And thus $700 spent today to ensure 4-5 years of use is a fair investment. Again, maybe, I can see it both ways.

And I also agree, my 1070 Clevo P650RS is still fine for gaming, although the 6820HK is weak, and CPU demanding games like the new Assassin's Creed games push it to the limit where you can see and feel its age in the frame drops. Witcher 3 also runs with this odd kind of lag, due to the CPU running at 100% while the GPU is only 70%. But gaming aside, it's really more of a convenience purchase: the GE75 offers a 17.3" screen in a 15.6" form factor which is a big nice to have for work, and the P650RS only comes with a single NVMe slot, so I can't invest in 2 powerful NVMe SSDs which I could carry over to new laptops in the future. Like I said, I'm really keen to combine my work laptop and my personal gaming laptop into one, all-singing, all-dancing machine, and the GE75 is perfect for that, but not at such a high price, and not when Ampere is so close to being released. I would happily spend $3k or maybe even $4k on a GE75 with Ampere 3080, as Ampere will easily last you 4-5 years, people are anticipating it will be an 80-100% performance increase over Pascal due to the node shrink.

And I agree, Turing is not a worth it for someone already on Pascal (although as my work is in machine learning, the Tensor cores and FP16 capability is nice and I would use it). But like I said, this purchase isn't so much because I'm unsatisfied with my 1070 laptop, it's more a case of wanting a better laptop to combine two other laptops into, and one which has updated tech like 2 NVMe slots, and fantastic screen. Although no TB3 and no G-Sync is another bitter pill to swallow for $3k.

I get it though, spending $3k or even $4k today on Turing and a 14nm CPU is pretty stupid, you have definitely convinced me of that. As badly as I want the GE75, I will force myself to wait for Ampere. In the meantime, I'll just get used to travelling with two laptops and two big power bricks for the next 12-18 months.

 

We are coming from two different perspectives so our justifications are slightly to wildly different. I am purely a gamer who upgrades every new significant GPU cycle (every 2-3 years) so I have to be very conscious about spending efficiently to make sure my investment includes as little sunken cost as possible.

You definitely have very solid justifications to buy an RTX laptop asap. You're traveling with two machines (I would never), the Tensor cores and better 6 to 8 core CPUs would improve your work, etc. The conflict you seem to be having is figuring out how much laptop you need and how much you can swallow spending to accomplish this consolidation, with the weight of 2020's 7nm GPUs adding pressure.

Have you considered making a purchase, but not going all in this year? Maybe a far cheaper 9750H and RTX 2060 combo to accomplish your short term goals, then spend big on the laptop that you'll keep for 4 to 5 years when Ampere is out around this time in 2020?

 

Agreed, and while I could convince myself that buying now is warranted because of work, deep down inside, I'm like you: I want to time laptop purchases to be 100% optimal, such that I can ride the crest of my newly purchased laptop's CPU+GPU for a good 4-5 years, because it's always a huge amount of money to spend and you want it to be smart and last a long time. But you also want to minimise next generation buyer's remorse. And if the rumours are to be believed, Ampere will be SO good that it will bring a huge amount of buyer's remorse to anyone who dropped $3k+ on a top-end Turing laptop.

I have thought of buying a stop-gap laptop, but it's not really worth it (for me). If you're going to invest all the time to fresh install an OS, migrate and configure everything, merge two laptops, you kind of just want to do it right from the start, on a proper laptop you can be proud of. I don't like half measures or stop gaps, if you're going to invest time into doing something, may as well do it right.

That being said, I have seriously considering the newest HP Omen 17 as a stop-gap. For $2k, you can get one with 9750H (or 9880H for $2.5k), 2080 RTX, TB3, and G-Sync. On paper, it's the perfect laptop for this generation. Unfortunately, it's big, mighty big. It's not a 17.3 inside a 15.6 like the GE75; it's a titanic beast, with a comically massive power brick. So while it passes the gaming test, it fails as a work laptop (too big and annoying to lug around).

 

I know its not quite the same thing, but if you don't mind an Amazon Warehouse deal you can get the GE75/8750H and 2080 for 2,050 USD. I did that 6 months ago and it looked brand new and has worked awesome for me, still stock paste and will likely stay with it. I've done this several times and it seems it is mostly either damaged boxes for items or possibly a return, but I've never gotten anything that looked "used" from the Warehouse deals.

 

Well...

Hello all you jolly souls.

Despite that whole "9880h is madness" bit... I broke and bought it from GenTech PC, with the rtx 2080. It came last week.

And I love it.

Its the only laptop that can (currently) do what it can do in this form factor. And it will stay at the top of the pack for probably about a year or so. And when "3080's" roll out.. Here is my 2 cents:

Aside from abnormal jumps like what we saw from 980 -> 1080, generational improvements are generally small, and that is the norm. . The power wall was hit long ago, and with physics now becoming a problem, these are huge obstacle to overcome. The GE75 laptop has a 1080p panel, which means the 2080 in it will run games at full fidelity for 3 years, at least. If not longer if you happy with 60 fps 1080p. You were able to get a laptop in 2016 with a GTX 1080, and i'd be hard pressed to say that wont be suitable for another 2 to 3 years at that resolution. So as far as waiting around for another 12+ months for a (likely) generational improvement, I don't see it as a huge benefit. By the time Ampere comes around, Nvidia will again be working on their next project to be released in another 12 - 24 months. And again expect another 15 - 20% bump.

And 8 cores. Despite the high sticker price, that will eventually be the new standard, but will command a premium for the first few generations. It is a norm in desktops now, and laptops wont be too long for it to follow suit. When 4 cores became the norm, their reign lasted for nearly a decade. Consider the performance of one of the very first high performance i7 quad core in a laptop, vs the performance of one of the very last flagship laptop i7 quad core. ( For this example the i7 840 vs the 7700hq), those 2 chips were released more than 8 years apart. However, the 7700hq was only roughly twice as fast as the 840. 8 cores in an laptop is ideal if you plan on it being relevant for a long time, in my opinion.

So in purchasing a laptop i'd ask: Do I want to wait another 12 months for 20% (potentially, remember Nvidia is dumping ALOT of resources into RT, no different with ampere, it might simply be a 20%, or maybe more, but with the majority of that considered in RT performance) ? I don't think so. I think now is a great time to get one. Enjoy having one of the fastest machines you can have in a laptop for about a year. After that just enjoy the solid performance. If your OK with waiting roughly a year now with sub-par performance, you'll be okay in a year or two when your machine is no longer the fastest.

 

You bring up some very interesting points, and believe me, there's nothing I want more than to embrace your philosophy and order a GE75 of my own tomorrow. But it's not about any kind of bragging rights to having the fastest laptop and then losing that. That's not part of the calculus at all. The real problem is money vs inability to upgrade, and therefore trying to determine if the current gen tech is an inflection point or not. Because gaming laptops cannot be upgraded at all, the CPU and GPU you're stuck with for the life of that laptop. So you want to buy a CPU and GPU generation which represents a good inflection point -- a point where that gen is considered a fantastic leap ahead of the old gen and therefore won't reach obsolescence as quickly, and therefore your investment lasts longer.

By all accounts I've read, people seem tepid on Turing for being a rather small upgrade from Pascal (RTX tech aside, although everyone complains that RTX can't even hit 1080p at 60). Perhaps everyone is spoiled though, after the Maxwell -> Pascal leap, everyone wants 50-70% generational improvement or GTFO. I personally don't have an opinion on Turing being ****e, it seems like a fine generation to me. However, while opinions on Turing may be split, pretty much everyone seems to agree that Ampere will be another Pascal level leap ahead, due to the almost 50% die shrink. I'm not an electrical engineer, so I don't know if the gains are linear. I mean, AMD Zen 2 is on 7nm, but it more or less matches 14nm Intel chips on a core for core basis (Zen 2 has more cores, yes, but each core doing a single threaded operation is roughly as fast as a core on Intel 9th gen at 14nm). Although at the very least, while core for core raw performance is similar, the Zen 2 uses less power and generates less heat for that same performance, so at least there's that from the die shrink.

I guess the main difference between our positions is, you're betting low on Ampere and I'm betting high. Only time will tell who is correct. And because gaming laptops depreciate so quickly relative to how much you spend on them (which is a huge amount compared to equivalent tech in a desktop), the buyer's remorse for me is equally huge. I understand that new generations of tech get released all the time, and that's fine, you expect to see a 10-20% degradation with each new gen and that's normal. But what's not normal is a 50-60% degradation, that sucks, that really is hard to deal with if you get that degradation because you bought only 6 months too soon, that's what I cannot deal with at all. If I bought today, and Ampere ends up as only a 20% bump, I'd be happy, I'd sleep easy at night. But if I buy now (for $4k), and in 6 months Ampere hits, and it's a Pascal level home run, with 50-60% improvement across the board, I'll feel like a real idiot, and I'll know I ended up buying into the wrong generation, like the poor sods who splurged on an expensive laptop in Haswell/Maxwell only 6-8 months before Skylake/Pascal arrived. Versus someone who bought at Skylake/Pascal and has been sitting easy since then, because everything which has released since then has just been a small iteration on that.

And for the record, I was that poor sod who splurged on Haswell/Maxwell with only 6 months before Skylake/Pascal. And I ended up having to buy a whole new laptop only 8 months later because Skylake/Pascal just annihilated the previous gen. It was a very costly learning experience, and costly mistake, one I'm not keen on ever repeating again.

I do agree with you though that we're hitting an engineering/physics wall, and 7nm will probably be the last great generational leap for a long, long time. Hence, buying a laptop with 7nm CPU and 7nm GPU will probably last you a minimum of 5 years, maybe even 6. And while I'm not willing to wait for Intel 7nm CPUs, 7nm GPUs with Ampere are only 6-8 months away, which is close enough that I can wait. I do also agree with you about the 9880H and 8 cores being the new normal. If I was to buy a GE75 today, it would be the 8 core version after all, costs be damned.

 

All very good points. Yes I am betting it to be lower in performance than others might. But we will see.

 

Oh wow, didn't expect the bottom case to be that garbo on the GE75. I've replaced the very slow 512GB NVMe with Adata XPG8200PRO 1TB and in process pretty much every plastic clip on the bottom cover broke off, almost like it's intentional. I've tried so carefully, going bit by bit but still - they just fly off and in the end you have to keep reopening the laptop to prevent tiny pieces of plastic from flying around and possibly hitting the fan blades.
I have 2x8GB G.Skill 3000 CL16 on order, wonder if these will do XMP in the GE75.

Performance wise it's an absolute bomb with rtx2080...it runs at 2GHz in turbo mode and around 76*C peak without any UV applied. So I guess it's pretty much on par with a desktop 2080?
Yet the CPU is cooking up to 95*C even with -100mV on the core.

 

I'm pretty sure they won't do XMP but you might be able to take the Advanced BIOS and adjust the timings manually. As for your temperatures I'd recommend re pasting I got a 160 underVolt on the core and 100 on the cache.

And those plastic pins are a very huge pain you have to have a very thin pry tool to pull of the plastic out and then up so you don't break the pins

 

Thanks, I will try what mine can do in terms of UV, i just dialed in a safe -100mV as a starting point.
I think I'd have to go to Svet for an unlocked BIOS I've looked at the advanced BIOS but man, that's a plethora of options that are very different from my desktop X299 rig, not touching anything yet

 

All you have to do to get to it is while in the BIOS:

Press: Left Alt + Right Control + Shift

Then while holding those down, Press F2.

There is a lot of functionality in there though, do some research and careful what settings you change.

 

Oh thats what you were refering to, advanced BIOS, lol nvm.

 

Yeah this is a real problem with this laptop. A few pages ago, I asked if someone could please put up a guide on how to remove the bottom panel, specifically with regards to that black plate in the rear. The only video on YT which shows how to remove the bottom panel specifically omits how to remove the rear black plastic plate, but that rear black plastic plate is where so many people break off the clips.

If anyone would please be kind enough to put up a comprehensive video on how to remove the bottom panel without omitting any steps, the entire community would massively appreciate it. Sadly loads of people have broken off the plastic clips, even Notebookreview says it's a nightmare to get the bottom panel off. We could really use a community in-depth guide.

 

Well, I doubt you can do it without trashing the plastic clips. The clips have ZERO flex or clearance in them. I've tried opening piece by piece, like opening a can but nope - all broken.

If it wasn't for the build quality (the darned thing creaks a lot when used on your lap, pushing the middle of the bottom cover sounds like an old door creaking) this would've been a perfect laptop. Same story with Clevo.
The moment I felt the top and bottom were plastic, I ordered a full GE75 sticker kit from aliexpress for the palmrest, touchpad and lid and even bought a screen protector, yet somehow I have a feeling it won't hold up the next 2 years, just like my GX740 did which ended up with 4 bolts holding the screen together after the hinges broke off.

I was ready to drop 4.3k on a Zbook G6 with Xeon 2286 and RTX4000 if it wasn't for the 60Hz panel...

@Ocmersh,
Yeah, I've seen the advanced menu but didn't see any "Enable XMP" settings.

 

Luckily, if it ever bugs you too much, since there isn't anything important with that cover specifically you can get a new one. They are 46$

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/400...mclahC9ZEltkyayzpvgaAjrnEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

I figure after a year or two of opening and closing it, and breaking every last plastic clip, ill get a replacement. The clips on the cover are the problem, what they are slotted into on the chassis is pretty beefy plastic.

 

Advanced BIOS -> Advanced -> System Agent -> Memory Configuration

Looks like you can modify the speeds there. But there is no auto XMP profile.

 

Today I wanted to share my Liquid metal rant and its glorification in the laptop "Enthusiast" scene.

DISCLAIMER (I might sound like I am blaming people in what you will read but please bare with me as English is not my first language and its a little hard for me to convey my point with out sounding out of line, I only blame my self for not taking my time understanding every major point)

So my story started several months ago when I had to sell my 5 years old desktop because I was leaving India (Which I lived in for 4 years for my studies) to Malaysia then back to Yemen (My home country) got a 1000$ for it and had 1500$ that I have saved up for the past 6 years or so, After reading around I found bob and loved how detailed he went into his reviews and how transparent he was about all the info he shared.

Then one day I watched the GE75 review and was shocked on how good the new GE series is compared to the old MSI laptops that I hated and in that video I was introduced to HIDevolution and although I was against using liquid metal in laptops I saw that it was much more safe now a days because of all the foam damming and electric tape used to protect the machine.

On the 18th of may I pulled the trigger and got the GE75-9sf for 2100$ with the liquid metal application (Ended up costing me 2480$ with shipping to Malaysia,taxes and import certificate) after receiving the machine I faced a lot of performance problems (Temps were great, so this is an MSI problem) after a lot of tweaking and painful hours of formatting and getting around the bios I was able to get a decent boost in performance (But I still get the same FPS as my brothers 1660ti in the Y540 with its MUX switch, Yes it took me a lot of time to tweak it for max performance but its just funny how stupid fast it is+ he got it for 1200$)

In the end of September I noticed that cpu temps are reaching 95 degrees and the GPU around 84-86 degrees most of the time and for the first time I saw the temperature limit appear in Riva tuner but was not really throttling so I just ignored it and linked it to the rising temp in Kuala lumpur and as I was planning to travel on the 15th to Yemen (Which has a much colder weather,8 degrees in the evening ) I was sure it will get lower over there, and as a precaution i got my self two cooler master sickleflow 120mm and a small power plug with 12v 3 amps hacked the fans connectors to the plug and replaced the stock fans on my cooler master U3 for better airflow.

After arriving to Yemen I started noticing that the temps are getting higher and higher where it registered 86 max temps on the GPU and 100 degrees on the CPU(Not stock, Settings are in the bottom) while gaming and noticed that two cores will be always much hotter than the rest although it was never a problem.

So I had to open the laptop and check what is going on and to my shock I noticed that my copper heat sink was already reacting with the liquid metal only after a couple of months and the reason two cores are always hotter are due to two things first the dam hid evolution installed was a little higher on one side which made the already stupid triangle mount have worse contact with the CPU and the biggest problem of all that the heat sink is already chipped in some places (Not sure if its damaged or that the liquid metal reaction has been very aggressive on the heat sink).

Now to the problem that made me write all of this block of letters (Photos attached) I don't know what was the main reason if it was too much liquid metal or that was expected from liquid metal to begin with but its already everywhere around the gpu and cpu and it will short something sooner or later and me as an average joe have 0 ways to deal with it and try to remove all that excess liquid metal with out risking it flying all around the laptop so now I am sitting on a ticking bomb that will die sooner or later due to something that was 100% preventable and I have only my self to blame 2500$ will go down the drain and I will be stuck with my old half dead NP8180 for a couple of years until I am able to cope with the lost money and get another machine.

Now I reapplied the correct amount of liquid metal hoping that it will saturate the copper heat sink (Which is not really ideal) and it helped a little, got it down to 88-91 on the cpu while gaming but I hope people will understand that even if a professional says its Ok or promises a professional application to not trust them and do your own upgrades or don't do them at all if you are not comfortable doing it your self.

I wanted to say a lot more but I hope my message got through.

And yes I broke 2 of those pesky small clips in the bottom cover, I guess its a GE75 feature by now.

++ Installing a second NVME SSD with the ram tweaks raises the CPU temp by a minimum of 5 degrees.

[Settings
-100mv on cache and core (+0 sst in throttle stop)
+125 uncore
3470mhz ram 19-19-19-47 1t
stock imon slope settings (Tried changing them but temps were going crazy)
GPU +125 on core and +1250 on memory]