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I have a 1 TB NVME drive and then recently added another 1 TB NVME drive, no diffs in CPU and GPU operating temps.... No worries!

 

From what i've read, it seems it's a better alternative way (lowering ICC Max) to drop and control CPU temps compared to mucking around with CPU turbo ratio limits in TS. Any feedback abt this? Anyone?

Ref. The formula P(Power) = I(Current) × V(Voltage)

 

Uninstall your NVIDIA Driver and reinstall using this https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/nvidia-driver-slimming-utility.html, Just do a bare min install for testing and see if the performance improves.

 

Actually after installing my MP510 i noticed the temps jump like 2-4 degrees under load (GPU+SSD+CPU) or else its just within margin of error.

Will give that a try and see if there is any changes, but considering that I have used this method before and gained nothing and after all the tests I have done the past month I guess the only logical explanation is a little bit of cpu bottleneck + optimus tax is what is happening over here.

 

It cant be coz my dota 2 avg around 130 - 150 per game..... yours shld be better....

 

That screenshot is just after a game. Pls note that watching replays has lower framerates compared to actually playingit

 

i7 8750
2080

These are my default settings. If they are not default then it would have been changed by mistake But this is what I am showing







Now that this got brought up I started to google and I've seen pictures of other people with this same processor have lower ICCmax core values. I do wonder if maybe I increased it on accident somehow. Anyone else with the same processor can confirm? Would the bios tweaks alter this in anyway?

 

8750H here, my defaults were IccMax 140 (core) and 11 (cache). Maxed them out for fun and CPU is a bit hotter but no big deal. I have the imon slope tweak thing if that means anything

 

Hmm will try one last thing today , trying an external monitor to see if I get higher FPS.

Can any body tell me what are the most recommended intel and nvidia drivers? should I just download the ones on the site and update the nvidia from experience and if so where can i update the intel?.

Thanks

 

i'm using the latest drivers for both. used nvidia slimming utility to install nvidia drivers and no issues afaik

 

DCH? or standard? and can you link me to the Intel driver please.

Thanks

 

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/28991/Intel-Graphics-Windows-10-DCH-Drivers?product=134906


DCH for both

 

Thanks a lot

 

After repasting and doing a cinebench r15 my core temps seem uneven on core 0, 2 and 4 is 10°c hotter than 1, 3, 5 is it normal?

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I have the same problem on the same cores (0, 2 and 4 are always hotter)... Seems like an uneven pressure of the heatsink over the CPU die. What thermal paste and method did you use? Thanks!

 

I usually push down on the heatsink after repasting to make sure the paste spreads better rather than relying on the weak ass pressure of laptop heatsink mounts.

 

Currently using Mastergel Maker

And a pea sized method

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So is it because of optimus? Is it faster using an external monitor?

 

Well after 2 more repaste tries I have something more stable now.

I followed the screwing order of the heatsink, screwing each screw down to the max where it tops.

Now I have stable 80-85C max average and max peak of 88C when playing BFV at max settings. I still have a variation of 6-8C between cores after playing or benchmarking but it's quite less than before (I had 10-12C difference).

My setup: -160mv undervolt, max turbo cap at 3.6GHz (my 8750h has a default max turbo of 3.9) and using a book to raise the back of the laptop (it gave me better results than using a cooler with a fan), and mastergel Maker.

I guess that's what I can get for now, I'll probably give LM a try at some point in the future when max cpu power will be needed

 

I had 2 ge73 laptop and could never get pass 3.4ghz on all cores. Yet I was testing a aero 15 laptop that could turbo to max at 3.9 with the 8750h processor. I would undervolt all 3 laptops to -.140.
I have a ge75 now that can do 3.9ghz on 8 cores with -.125 undervolt. The speakers on this ge75 are much better and ge73.

 

Here you go, I have the 2080 and i9 9880h model.

 

What temps do you get on cpu full load after a while? And heavy cpu gaming? Paste or lm?

 

The cpu seems to hit power limit at 91C, I use the intel tuning utility.

 

Hey everyone I have a weird question, When I received the GE75 from HID the speakers sounded so good and when I turned on nahimic it used to ruin them which was weird in my opinion as I read everywhere it helps, then I formatted and noticed its the opposite now the speakers are so **** and nahimic will help them a little but still very far away from how it arrived.

How can I find that right driver as I miss how it sounded.

P.S: Old driver was worse for headphones and had no amplification options but now it sounds amazing for headphones and have 3 amp options.

Initially benchmarks are exactly the same and some games benefit from the external monitor but I need some more time to confirm everything.

But it seems like it's aligning with what I saw earlier (Me having very high benchmarks numbers but lower fps in games)

 

did you find a fix to this?

 

Those of us who had a bad heatsink fit with uneven pressure, would we solve by buying a new one?

 

Not always. It'll depend on how good or bad the new heatsink is.

 

Hey guys thank god i found this thread on the web i did not know where the hell search info about my new laptop,

I just got my new ge75 with 2080 rtx and 16 gb ram and i78750h,

First step, adding a new module, but i also wanna repaste with conductnaut, my question here is , is the coolerbooster 5 made of aluminium? I still cannot find the answer anywhere.

And also .. i see people putting thermal pads to the components arround the heatsink, well i was plannig to put over the gpu and over the cpu , conducnaut , and over the other components kryonaut, for safety ( i will coat the pcb arround the gpu and cpu with pcb coating that has uv reactant for inspection and doublecheck, also for extra safety some kapton) i will post pics for inspiration for other colleagues planning to do that so.

My question is here, why i need thermal pads? Kryonaut wouldnt do the job by itself?

Thanks for that wonderful learning thread!!

 

Hi and welcome! Some people put thermal pads on the Vram and VRM chips, but others tried and said the thickness in the gpu side is variable (0.4-0.7mm) so they could not use 0.5mm pads.

Instead, we use K5 pro which is a thermal goo that is specifically used to replace thermal pads so you don't have to worry about the thickness.

Not sure if kryonaut will do the job (maybe not in the cpu side because the VRM pads are 1mm thick) , I would personally advice you to use the K5 pro at least on the gpu side so you don't have to worry about the thickness. But some people here said they used 0.5mm pads without any issue.

Looking forward to your pics!

 

I used coolermaster mastergel for the vrams and kryonaut for cpu/gpu. No problems so far. 3.8-3.9 GHz with IMON tweak. Stays cool when limited to 3.7 GHz.

 

Today Jarrod released a video on the GP75 which share the same chassis with the GE75

at min 5:50 he said the 280watts was an overkill for the specs and he never saw any kind of battery drain on the machine while testing. and taking into consideration that it is very similar to the ge75 and I am losing anywhere from 10-20% while gaming might indicate I have a power problem?

I don't know what to do anymore its really getting on my nerves at this point and I am thinking of just selling the machine and eat the money loss and just stay away from any MSI machines in the future.

Nope, Nothing I tried everything, changed nothing.

 

Have u tried the IMON trick via unlocked bios settings?

Also, do check if your dGPU is power limiting and if it is, check and see what its max power limit is. Use HWInfo to send the dGPU power consumption to RivaTuner. This will allow the dGPU power consumption to be displayed while gaming.

 

Instead of capping the max freq to control temps, you can try specifying the max avg temp within a timeframe, example 5 milliseconds in the BIOS. Doing it this way will allow your clocks to max out if the temp permits, and if it gets too hot, it will automatically downclock. I set my max avg temp to 88C. If i am in an aircond room... it clocks to max... if its a hot day and im not in an aircond room, it will downclock accordingly.

 

Do you do that with a windows program or a bios setting? Which one?

Thanks!

 

BIOS settings. It basically revolves around the user setting the thermal throttle limit. Instead of 95C, set it to 88C for example.... the power will be adjusted accordingly by the system to stay around the temp limit.

 

What setting is this in the bios?

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So after sometime trying to go all out one last time, I tried the IMON trick with slop=50,and a negative of 31999, vr current 928 and the rest as is. (Should i keep the under volt in TS or should I remove it for this to make sense?)
And went all out on the ram now running the stock samsung ram on 3460mhz with 19-19-19-47, 674 2T and its with uncore volt of +125 (In bios and in TS) with my understanding I think this is the best case scenario for CPU and RAM performance on this machine.

Will try checking for the GPU power and see what results I get.

Thanks

EDIT: this is me trying to push the GPU to the limit and get the reading which is very close to the 120w which means its getting full power.

 

Look under

CPU THERMAL CONFIGURATION->TCC ACTIVATION OFFSET

I set mine to 12, so the max temp limit is 100-12 = 88C

CPU THERMAL CONFIGURATION->Tcc OFFSET TIME WINDOW

I set mine to 5 ms to average out the limit over 5ms

ThrottleStop should indicate the new temp limit, PROCHOT 88C



I disabled my BD PROCHOT in TS

 

hmmm...... try disabling cpu c-states in bios, and all that damn intel security (specter fix etc.. i think its called intel bios guard or something like that..) thingy...

 

Fixed the uneven core temp mess, and now getting normal temps across the cores after changing thermal paste from Mastergel Maker to TG Kryonaut.

Don't know what's the problem with using Mastergel Maker (been repasting with mastergel for over 5 times) getting way over 8-10°c core temps difference

*FYI TG Kryonaut vs Mastergel Nano temps difference is so little like around 1-2°c cooler

Spoiler: HWmonitor

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That's weird, mastergel Maker worked a lot better than kryonaut for me what method did you use on the cpu? Line or spread the paste?

Thanks
C

 

A line for CPU and cross for the GPU

I can't seem to spread it really well
Been repasting notebooks using line, cross and pea sized method for CPU and GPU.

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Hello,

I would like to have your opinion, what do you think of GE75 9SF? I read that it heated up? Does it heat up a lot? the temperature is around 90 degrees? I would like to have your opinion on the quality of the chassis? Recurring problems to report?

Thanks for your help

 

Been using GE75 9SG without heating up even on ultra settings while playing games like "The Division 2, Battlefront II, Monster Hunter, Remnant from the Ashes" and others which is quite a bit heavy and all of them runs on ultra/maxed out settings (for the gpu it runs around 60-75°C never run above 80°c and on the CPU side are running from 70-82°C)

But I've repasted and undervolt my GE75, because with the stock paste it'll easily reach into the 80's for the gpu and 90's for the cpu with everything running maxed out.

IMHO Loved and doesn't regret getting a GE75 for its thin chassis and powerful hardware, coming from a GT60 and scar ii. (GT60 a bulky laptop that is hard to take everywhere with you without hurting your back & with a Scar that have a backlight bleed and runs alot hotter than GE75 though)

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Thank you for your help .

So without repasted or undervolt, then temperatures are around 90 degrees?

 

With stock thermal paste and without undervolt, you'll be seeing around 90°c alot on your CPU running full clock speed when playing heavy games such as MHW or Metro Exodus and the GPU barely touch 84°c unless you have a bad paste job (room ambient temps around 23-25°c, fan profile set to auto)

It'll definitely help alot if you get a repaste by using Mastergel Maker or TG Kryounout

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Hi,

i will repast my GE75 (I7 8750H, GTX2080), can anyone tell what i need for GPU CPU and Vrams? (Pads or Gel?)

Thanks


Sorry for my bad englisch i´m from germany

 

Either Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut or Cooler Master Mastergel Maker for cpu, gpu and chokes. Then 0.5mm thermal pads for vram and 1.0mm thermal pads for mosfets.

 

Overall, are you satisfied with your GE75? regrets ?