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That is not correct, when playing games that are limited to 60frames they switch the monitor to 60hz (because 144/60 -> not an integer).

And yeah, it's terrible if the refresh rate is set to 60 and just "bad" when it's set to 144hz.

 

Thanks for the reply, please note that I have set the brightness to mid or below, and the glow specially at the bottom is very noticeable during gaming, i am very much disappointed as I waited a lot for this to arrive to my country and now I have to pay a fortune to return it or get it replaced, HIDEvolution has customized it with liquid metal as well and Fuji Poli thermal pads which I believe is not working well too (i am in touch with them as I just raised these concerns to them and I am sure they will resolve the issue for me as I heard good about their customer service) as I am getting up to 93c on Doom during the first 10 minutes and even on Resident Evil 7.

 

Here, both refresh rates. It's pretty bad on both.

 

I have 8SG, and on BFV i get CPU maxed at 94 celcius (with -0.139 voltage offset and renewed thermal paste 2 months ago) Ambient temp 23-24 celcius, is this normal?

 

Possibly if running stock boost. Many of us have reduced the max boost clocks from 41x down to around 35-37x to get the temps below 90 for long games sessions. This has not had any negative affect on my frame rates, and leads to a more consistent FPS during game play.

 

Same result 94 celcius on BFV %115 resolution scale, high average 80 fps, i guess something is wrong with my device, on the other hand i get 9200 timespy

 

Is the back elevated at all, or maybe on a cooling pad? Is this on max fans or just auto fans?

9k sounds about right for stock timespy, overclocked can net over 10k.

If I'm doing serious gaming and don't care about noise I use max fans to keep system cooler. If I'm in the room with others I will use auto but at the cost of higher temps since auto never seems to fully max the fans.

 

Timespy is normal but game performance is not i think. No elevation no cooling pad fans on auto Dragon Center set to Comfort.

 

I can't speak about BFV performance but I honestly think it sounds normal under those conditions. Try max fans once and see if either the performance changes, or at least the temps come down some. Also you could try 35x as max multi, I think that is where I settled since I am on stock paste.

Performance could be suffering due to temp or power throttling. These are thin chassis that cool ok, but you need to give it every chance you can. I use a cooling pad to elevate the back at home, and use a little portable "X" metal thing that folds out for when I'm traveling light.

 

The max temprature isnt a good parametric, as once put under load the cpu quickly climbs in temprature and the fans spool up with a delayed response. This tiny window is your max temprature. During that time the temps might get high. If you want, you can monitor via Hwinfo64 or Afterburner with RivaTuner which can draw you a temp graph. If you did a decent paste job, I imagine you should be looking at 80-85 degrees on avarage which I bet will be the case anyways.

If you have dragon center installed and running on comfort mode, this is what will effect your fps the most. Since comfort mode means there is no overclock in your GPU. Set it to turbo while gaming, and in the settings add +120 mHz or more core clock to your gpu and that should net you another 6-7 fps right off the bat.

Many fps numbers online will not include things like resolution upscaling or ray tracing even under their "ultra" results. 90-100 fps would be good for your machine. However if you want it higher, some game settings have huge optimization diggerence between high-->ultra with very little gain. You can search these for the particular game and turn them down a little. I like to play my competitive fps around 144, and I will usually turn down som stuff if I need to.

 

I wanted to ask about the 120hz screen found in the raider-055 vs the 144hz on the 9sf as my friend needs better color reproduction as he will use it for photo editing and can't seem to find either the model no.for the 120hz panel or even a review.

So how can I know which one is the better choice for him.

Thanks

 

For the people who are using Liquid Metal on the CPU, how are you doing after 2 or 3 months of use, I repasted with thermal paste Kryonaut and using Throttlestop and still having like 93-94 max on Battlefield V (playing on a 1440p 144 hz monitor).

I'm still on the verge to put Liquid Metal or not, I normally travel with my computer and I don't want to screw it with Liquid Metal, what are yout thoughts? I have 2080 RTX,

Thanks!!

 

max temprature isnt a good metric, it might be hitting 94 degrees for 10 secs and setteling in 80 degrees. You can check in game tempratures with osd like afterburner + rivatuner.

BF5 seems to be a cpu heavy game compared to most others as well. Setting cpu multiplier to 34-33 would help.

 

Properly applied LM probably doesn't even need a repaste unless it really dries up but it should last a while. Aside from Kryonaut, did you also undervolt your CPU? How are your ambient temps? They affect a lot as well.

 

Or anyone else mind sharing their GPU-Z Screenshot for the RTX 2060 version, trying to find that elusive 90W VBIOS that will give me back my mDP. Thanks in advance!

 

Can someone confirm which version of DisplayPort the GE75 uses? 1.2, 1.3 or 1.4

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GE75-8SG-Raider-i7-8750H-RTX-2080-Laptop-Review.415034.0.html

1.2 apparently but waiting on confirmation.

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I also have a question on this regard.

If i buy a 144hz FHD external monitor to use has a second screen, will i be able to use it with the 144hz refresh rate using the HDMI port on my MSI GE75 8SF? If not, do i have any way of using the 144hz refresh rate (on the external monitor) at all?

 

I think you will need HDMI 2.0 on both the laptop and monitor to reach that refresh rate. But I am not 100% sure of this.

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FWIW I got a GE63 w/2080 - essentially the same design as the GE75 - with the intention of using it with the HP Reverb, which is supposed to require DP 1.3. Per comments on Reddit from a user who asked MSI support, the GE63 only has DP1.2. But the Reverb worked fine for me. (90hz, max res as far as I could tell.)

After playing with the GE75 at Microcenter I decided to return the GE63, as the fans on the GE75 seemed much quieter under similar loads. I’m planning on getting the GE75 but debating between the i7 and i9.

Note that prior to purchase I asked MSI support if the GE63 had the heat pipe blocking the 2nd NVME and RAM slots - they said it didn’t. (One reason I purchased it over the 75) Turns out it does, same as the 75. Consequently I would take anything they say with a grain of salt. I think the truth will be in user reports.

 

I am running laptop's minidisplayport to external monitors displayport with 144 Hz on my external monitor. G-sync also works via the mini-dp. Not completely sure about the HDMI, it doesn' support G-sync so I havent tried it with my current external monitor.

 

I wanted to ask about the 120hz screen found in the raider-055 vs the 144hz on the 9sf as my friend needs better color reproduction as he will use it for photo editing and can't seem to find either the model no.for the 120hz panel or even a review.

So how can I know which one is the better choice for him.

Thanks

 

Hello all,

I am returning to the laptop world as my P375SM Clevo model is now hitting the 6 year mark and is starting to really show it's age (remarkable product!). It is also quite bulky for the amount of travel I'm currently starting to do again.

So, I am about to pull the trigger on an GE75 with a 2070 and i7-9750H from GenTech PC, and had some questions regarding paste.
I will be getting the thermal pads no question, but I am still on the fence about the paste (Kryonaut vs Conductonaut) as I will be travelling internationally quite extensively with this system.
Ken @GenTechPC has assured me that it will be quite safe while travelling with the LM due to the sealing they put in place, and I'm sure he knows his stuff, however I wanted to know if anyone had any real life experience with this?
I read the posts and guide from the pilot who applied LM to his laptop including the use of a dam, and I haven't seen any negative updates after he did this, but I really do not want to brick this system.

So I guess the questions would be:
1 - is it really safe to apply LM to a laptop being transported (and handled by TSA officers mind you... nice people, but don't really have the time to handle things delicately) quite frequently
2 - is it really worth it? A video I saw of OWNorDisown, as well as some others, on YouTube stating LM had only a few degrees improvement over traditional paste.

Any help, experience and input would be very much appreciated.

Thanks!

 

You should be fine with LM, and with these thinner machines, it's definitely worth it if you want the best possible thermals. I didn't get any LM job when I bought my machine but after personally testing with IC diamond, I am going to go the route of LM soon (I am currently moving from my place, I don't have time yet haha).

But the thermal conductivity of LM is far beyond regular paste, and these thinner machines really benefit from it.

 

I'm exactly in the same spot as you. Not sure what to do, I fear LM sealing, what thermal pads are you gonna use?

 

I will be using the Fujipoly pads as applied by @GenTechPC, they’re tried and tested amongst most resellers from what I’ve seen so these seem like the go to for me. As I’m also getting other customizations done it just makes sense to have the people who do this every day to do it for me also.

@ryzeki Thank you for the quick response!

So I guess the benefits of LM are clear enough, I’m just really uncertain about the risk of leakage / seeping.
I’ve also seen some users in this thread get some amazing results just from stock paste (definitely not going that route though).

So unfortunately I’m still on the fence and have some more pondering to do... and some more research I guess. If anyone has any thoughts, experiences or inputs I’m still open.

Oh, and I will definitely update you all with my choice and the results once I get my hands on this beast, as well as probably be back with some questions if I run into any issues.

Communities like this are the best! Thanks!

 

Stock paste throttles, I am currently considering a repaste too, just trying to decide LM or Mastergel.. If you have the option to get a LM under warrenty though, that is a pretty sweet deal I would say. Some stranger is trusting their work so much they are willing to bet money on it.

 

Oh agreed, and as stated I will not be using stock paste, it will either be Conductonaut or Kryonaut for sure.

I know HIDEvolution warranty their LM application, at least from what I've read. I am not sure if @GenTechPC does though, however this morning I have reached out to Ken regarding this, and also as to which sealing method they use.
I'm sure they will do a good job, they offer the service so I'm sure they know what they're doing, and will back their work with some form of guarantee. If not, then I'll just go with; Kryonaut paste, the Fujipoly pads, an under-volt and hope the thing stays cool enough during long sessions...

 

So I pulled the trigger and ordered the GE75 with a 2070 and i7-9750H, as well as a 250GB Samsung 970 EVO and 2TB Seagate FireCuda from @GenTechPC!

Based on Ken from @GenTechPC 's explanation of the LM application process, and his confirmation that they do indeed warranty the LM application itself, I went with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on the CPU and GPU, as well as the Fujipoly Extreme thermal pads.
He stated they use foam dams like the ones in @Mr. Fox 's YouTube video (link below), and I believe some layers of silicon and electric tape around the dies, I asked Ken about the silicon and tape this morning and I'm awaiting confirmation.

@Mr. Fox YouTube guide:

Super excited, can't wait to get it and tinker (and game of course ).

I will update this thread with my experience, so far I'm just looking to under-volt the CPU, and maybe just use OC scanner via afterburner on the GPU to squeeze a little extra.
But if there is any other advice people can give about performance tweaks (I'm not super into OC'ing etc. but I'm not an idiot either), especially with the 9750H (most of the guides / discussion in this thread are for the the 8th gen) it would be much appreciated!

Cheers!

 

What is the value of sst that everyone is mostly using on throttlestop BTW I have i78750h proccesor

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Same processor here, I think I have my gaming profile set for 80, benchmarking for 0, and battery is 128 IIRC.

 

Hey Sir., can you please pm me?

 

I use 63 on cable and 127 on battery. Which is roughly 25% on cable and 50% on battery.

 

@ Manchops

9SF here with Kryonaut Paste.

I did the CPU Power Limit Tweak from post #295 (Page 30) and post #309 (Page 31).
AC Loadline and DC Loadline set to 5.

Also switched out the high latency RAM that came with the laptop for 2x8GB CL14 2400Mhz and overclocked them to 3000MHz CL16-18.

Throttlestop:

Core and Cache Offset -60.5 mV
Intel GPU Offset -40.0 mV

Getting 3,991GHz on all cores under full load.

2920 Points in Cinebench R20 while one core hits 95 degrees. The other cores are around 85-90 degrees.

Should be much lower with Liquid Metal, but you won't be able to clock any higher as far as I'm informed. So maybe yours will run a bit more silent.

That machine is a beast, though.

Don't forget to check out the fan speed settings in Dragon Center.
Under the "Basic" setting you can click on the gearwheel symbol and push the slider to "low" for desktop use.

And you can overclock the GPU Core and Memory under "Shift - Turbo - Gearwheel"
But I found that to be a bit useless, since the CPU is throttling the GPU anyway.

Getting 85% GPU load in AC Odyssey while the CPU is maxed out on all cores.

 

A lot of people are using silent option instead of dragon center because dragon center supposedly causes the machine to have a involuntary undervolt. Is everyone mostly using dragon center or silent option?

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Right, that cpu throttle for the 2070 laptop is AC Odessey specific which is overwhelmingly cpu heavy, and is not nearly the case with most games. At max settings your cpu will sit 15-30% at most new games whilst your gpu is at nearly 100, bar the few spikes of course. I would say there is very little bottlenecking, certainly worth overclocking.

Use something like 3dmark to simulate game performance and you will get an idea how much extra performance you can get thru overcloacking your gpu. (roughly 10% extra fps I would say)

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dragon-center-2-0-what-is-the-problem.828561/

 

sorry to ask this kind of question but there is too much reading, hope you can help me with this
i am thinking about getting the GE75 2070 i7 or the .. any recommendations or known issues with this laptop?
regarding everything like thermals keyboard fan sound etc. because I am also looking into the Stealth GS75 but because of its max-q design, the raider would be a better performance.

coming from Alienware 14R4 -_-

 

Well I can tell you my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. I have a Ge75 8SF and overall I love the laptop. I also had to choose between this and the GS75, but I preferred the increased performance.

In terms of temps, i have stock paste and I think I was one of the luckier ones. Yes, it overheats in some games, so I have been teaking and tunning with undetvolts and underclocking a bit. And yes the fans get loud, more than I was used to. But considering that even lowering the clocks a bit I can play any game with max settings with more than 60 fps.... It just makes my day lol.

Finally, I really like all the features the laptop has, and the built quality actually surprised me. It's surprising how thin it is and I was expecting it to feel more plasticky and flimsy, but it's actually quite solid and sturdy.

 

Yeah, AC Odyssey is an extreme example.
In other games its fine, hitting constant 144 FPS in Quake Champions and 90-110 FPS in Battlefield V.

Coming from Desktop PCs I was pleasantly surprised with the 9SF Model.
I would definitely buy it again, even though it's quite expensive.

I looked at the GS75 RTX2060 before, but I'm glad that I switched to the much more powerful GE75-9SF RTX2070 for the same price. It's just a few hundred grams heavier. Tested the GS75 in a shop, but they only had the Final Fantasy Benchmark installed and it looked really laggy.

Undervolting is basically a must on every new gaming laptop. I used videos like this for a baseline and later did the Power Limit Tweak from my post above.


Timespy
(Stock Settings: 100 MHz Overclock on GPU Core & 200MHz on VRAM)

Score: 7 934
Graphics score: 8 132
Graphics test 1: 53.00 FPS
Graphics test 2: 46.63 FPS
CPU score: 6 974
CPU test: 23.43 FPS


No Overclock on Core & VRAM

Score: 7 648
Graphics score: 7 837
Graphics test 1: 50.99 FPS
Graphics test 2: 45.00 FPS
CPU score: 6 729
CPU test: 22.61 FPS

Weirdly enough Firestrike crashes when I go above the stock overclock. I thought it worked before, but I guess it's due to the fact I don't know what I'm doing when overclocking RAM etc.

Edit: It really does seem that I don't know what I'm doing. On the last page of the link below, the guy gets much higher CPU scores. He is on liquid metal, but the same CPU is capped at 4GHz anyway.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dragon-center-2-0-what-is-the-problem.828561/page-2

 

Is everyone using dragon center or silent option for fan control?

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http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.825828/page-159#post-10931718

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dragon-center-2-0-what-is-the-problem.828561/



@blacklupus That user mentioned he has applied the BIOS tweaks involving setting an IMON offset, meaning his CPU doesnt power throttle at any point. You can see his tempratures are quite high as well. I personally do not use those tweaks. And the performance difference is near 10% which isnt insane I would say. You can find everything he did here;

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussions-lounge.825828/page-48#post-10863491

Also your overclock on your gpu seems really modest, I am running a 2070 too, benchmarks in signature. You should be able to aim near those scores with your GPU. A simple +140mhz core and +1000 on vram (turing cards vram handles really high clocks) should get you near that. You can try voltage curves for added stability at higher voltages (by flattening the curve)

 

I switched to silent option after two months of dragon center. With dragon center, my gpu fan sometimes got permanently stuck at 2000 rpm even when on desktop. Restarting didnt help, only way to get the fan behave normally was to reinstall Dragon Center. Same issue occured quite a few times, until I finally decided to try silent option, havent had the same issue ever since. I am overally more pleased with silent option. I recommend using it, not to mention the complaints about dragon center tweaking the system with these strange undervolts and clocking.

 

I have the machine with 2080 and I truly recommend buying the laptop. Like the guy who responded earlier, my situation is quite similar, looks like I got quite lucky with the stock paste. I have a -130 mV undervolt applied on the CPU and I've also limited my turbo clock speeds to keep both temps and system noise at lower levels. The laptop indeed gets loud under heavier loads, but tweaks with throttlestop can make CPU fan more silent. If your top priority is low noise, underclocking CPU, using framerate limits in games and making tweaks with fan curves in Dragon Center/Silent Option (I am using the latter) can get the job done quite well.

Both the keyboard and touchpad are comfortable and the overall system perfornance outstanding. One thing worth mentioning is also that this laptop has really nice surface temperatures considering it is still pretty light and slim machine.

What I've grown to like about this machine is also that there are many options to customize it into your liking, thanks to MSI's nice fan control, third party programs such as Throttlestop and of course the kickass hardware packed inside the laptop.

 

I'm using only the BIOS tweaks, throttlestop and made a repaste. No special software like silent option.

The first weeks I've tried dragon center but it sucks with the BIOS tweaks.. and silent option isn't really helpful. If you are gaming the fans will increase their speed just like without silent option... so the GE75 is not silent while playing games - with silent option or without.. doesnt make a difference. In desktop mode the fans are quite anyway (CPU is around 41-44 C)

 

Can you share the bios tweaks that you made? Please

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Hey lads... out of interest... is the i7-8750 w/ 2080 always going to be much louder than the i7-8750 w/ 2070?

Can any thermal trickery be done to get better performance from the 2080 with lower heat / fan noise?

@AWholeHam

 

What does your fan RPM get to during gaming? I think max fans are around 5000 on the GE75?
I'd be happy if I could knock 10% performance off the 2080 and keep fan RPM's around 3000.

 

In my experience the cpu runs hotter than the gpu and is accountable for most of the noise. Honestly I usually limit my frames to 72/48 depending on what kinda game it is, and the fans barely spool up. But the 2080 has a stock TDP of 150W vs the 115 of the 2070, that is a big difference.. it should make a difference in sound too probably.

 

@ vegetaeater

Given the price difference between the 2070 model and the 2080 model and the fact, that the same cooling solution would have to dissipate that much more heat under full load from the CPU and the power hungry 2080, I assume that the fans will run at maximum all the time and get quite loud.

But I doubt that anyone here has both laptops sitting around and can confirm that.

I personally would get the newer 9SF model with the RTX 2070 and pump the rest of the money in a nice 144/240 Hz Monitor for desktop use, since my impression is, that this combination of CPU and GPU is the sweetspot between thermals and performance.

Maybe you get the few extra frames with the 2080 model but as I can see right now in different games, even the 9750H CPU in the newest iteration runs into CPU limits and the 2070 GPU gets restricted to 85-90%.

I would be a bit disappointed if I spend that much more money on a Laptop with exactly the same CPU limit.
But let's assume you could bump up the graphical fidelity with the 2080 model to the max, you're still kinda limited in enjoying it to the fullest because of the rather small 17inch screen.

The extra high-end 27inch monitor you could buy when choosing the already very expensive 2070 model would make more sense to me.

 

Really? Where did you read this? I thought the 9th gen was basically identical to the 8th gen, just clocked higher (so more heat). There are some super deals on the 8th gen model right now.

I have a 144hz 1440p G-Sync monitor... the problem is I don't have any room for in my new place. A 17" screen on a laptop is fine for me though - I've been making do with the 15.6" display on my GT62VR for some time now.