*** The Official MSI GE75 Raider Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

Mine came with Kingston ValueRAM 16GB (1x16GB) DDR4-2666MHz CL19 So maybe the GE series also uses that same memory. I suggest to wait until you have your machine in hands to confirm the model of RAM and buy the closest/similar RAM module to avoid compatibility issues.

If you are USA based, you won't loose warranty for repasting.

As for reusing the thermal paste for the VRMS, I personally think you need to replace the pads, but I don't know what size (maybe 0.5mm?) pads you need. Maybe someone can help out here. I used 0.5mm with my GS75.

 

Apparently I still had some lingering settings applied and causing issues. I renamed the TS.ini file and let it generate a fresh default one. Unfortunately I had to start over in tweaking, but the BSOD's are still gone now after several days of use. I did a lot of tweaking but I bet I probably went too low with the undervolt for gaming, and even when I went back to no undervolt I had so many other settings changed that likely one of those was also causing issues on "stock" multipliers and voltage.

Thanks both of you, I feel bad that I didn't try that before I posted here. I honestly thought I was going to have to call for support or worse yet had a hardware issue.

 

Mine has RTX2080. Temps on the GPU are amazingly low considering the laptops thin design I must say. I havent run any benchmarks, but my max temps while playing AAA titles with ultra settings peak at 85-90 on CPU and 75-80 on GPU.

 

Just glad we could help. I've gotten so much help from others in these forums and it's always nice to be able to give back a little!

 

First, thanks for the answer ryzeki.

I think I'm gonna play it safe and get 2 x 8GB sticks. It's a pitty to waste the 16 it comes with though. May end up selling it.

I am from Portugal so I'm not sure about the warranty policy here when it comes to repaste.

I will try to get more information on the pads should I really need a repaste. I just asked because I saw some people on YouTube repasting and reusing the VRM paste.

 

I there a ceratin way to install the sound drivers and Nahimic? For some reason nahmic is not working on my ge75

 

I have the GE75 i8750h RTX2080 with the CMN175c (N173HCE-G33) panel. And although the panel is very nice and bright, colorful and crisp (no inverse ghosting like the AUO panel that some come with), I have recently noticed that some brighter shades of blue (and maybe one shade of orange) have faint static horizontal interlaced lines in them. This is mainly only noticeable in small light blue solid boxes like buttons on web pages and only if they use these specific solid shades of blue. It is basically like every other line of pixels is slightly brighter (in these specific lighter solid blue colors). I do not notice them in video or gaming. In fact watching movies and especially gaming, is awesome and the screen is beautiful (no ghosting or inversion artifacts). Also the issue goes completely away or not noticeable if I sit straight up and looking down at an angle to the screen or further away.

I am assuming this is not a hardware defect of my panel because it only affects certain specific shades of blue and not the entire screen. In fact, other shades of blue and other colors are perfect and no grid patterns or anything. Switching to 60hz helps a little but still can see them. The affect is very similar to what is described in this and similar forum threads but horiztonal instead of vertical.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/690124-faint-vertical-lines-when-75hz-refresh-rate-on-monitor/

Maybe a coincidence but, I didn't notice this until shortly after I updated the bios and EC Firmware to the latest version. This is quite possible the cause since MSI might be trying to combat the inverse ghosting issue on the AUO panels. And inadvertently caused an overdrive issue or something with the Innolux panel. I really do not want to downgrade the bios or firmware because they provide a nice increase (as much as 10%) in CPU performance (more TDP time during boost). I do not think it is an Intel GPU driver issue because I did notice it in ubunto using a live USB boot, unless the intel gpu driver or msi sets some setting in the panel that sticks. It is not noticable at all in the bios screens. But there is only dark blue colors in it.

Here is a blue chart where I can see the lines in the deepskyblue and dodgerblue shades. No lines in any other shade or color. I am using the true color office setting. If I switch to sRGB, it is less noticeable in those shades but still there.
https://www.rapidtables.com/web/color/blue-color.html

I might just be over sensitive (like I am to uniformity issues in some lcd panels used in iPhones). This is the first laptop or monitor I have own that is 144hz or a standard TN monitor. This may just be how these Innolux AAS "IPS-like" panels are. I know there are very similar issues with high refresh rate VA panels.

Other than this issue and the infamous and over aggressive realtek powersaving popping noise issue (after a sound is played) I am very happy with this laptop. It's gaming performance is top notch (at least with the full RTX 2080 version). All AAA titles with ultra settings play so smooth with high FPS.

I am mainly just seeing if anyone else notice or is sensitive to these static interlace/inversion patterns in 144hz monitors?

 

If anyone is interested in a brand new 280 watt charger for ge75 please PM me.

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Hey all,

Been an ASUS loyalist for the past decade but I'm very close to picking up an MSI GE75-8RE (the GTX 1060 model) here in Taiwan. There just doesn't seem to be anything else in the under $1500 price bracket with that kind of build quality and cooling.

However, I'm a bit worried about the AUO panel issues. Does anybody know which panel the 8RE has? Is it the AUO, Chimei or Innolux panel?

Have any of the 8RE owners (I think I saw one on here in one of the earlier posts) experienced the image ghosting problem?

I was also looking at the new GP75 with the 1660ti...do those also have potential panel issues?

 

GE75 8SG 2080 owner here. I only notice panel ghosting if I set the panel to 60hz refresh. At its native refresh I don't see any issue. However at 60hz it is noticable, especially in games.

To help lower temps and prevent thermal throttling, I've done the following things so far:

- Throttlestop, to undervolt -120mV on CPU. Rock stable for me for 3+ weeks now.
- Throttlestop, to change turbo multiplier to 36 on all cores. Again, another good way to keep temps down with hardly any impact on gaming performance etc.
- Using a Cooler Master NotePal Ergostand III notebook cooling pad 43,2 cm (17'').
- Using RTSS (Riva Tuner Statistics Server) to set an FPS of 72 for each game (half the panel native).

This way, when playing games I work the CPU and GPU less, as I don't need 144 FPS for smooth gameplay,. 72 is more than enough, and as a half-multiple of the native panel refresh, its smoother than for example 60hz. This approach also means that I don't need to set my panel refresh to 60hz, which then introduces ghosting. And I also get less fan-noise from the laptop, as the fans don't need to spin up so much.

So far this setup has worked extremely well. Max temp I'm seeing in demanding games (100% CPU usage) after 1hr+ of gaming is approx 88c. The GPU never seems to go above approx 78c. Before making these changes I was hitting 97-98c on the CPU and thermal throttling regularly. Oh, and I should mention that I'm on stock paste, nothing changed in that respect.

And I was getting some slightly annoying coil-wine (from the CPU I believe), especially when moving my mouse, which was audible when on the windows desktop and CPU in an idle state. I solve this for 99% by disabling c-states in the bios, and changing my mouse polling rate from 1000 to 500 reports per second. Now I hardly hear it. Some people say that disabling c-states can affect temps, but I've not really noticed any negative impact as a result. I also run from mains power all the time, so I don't care that it could affect power consumption when running from battery. Idle power usage in Windows is 3-4w with c-states disabled.

 

So I sent my GE75 to the repair center for the inverse ghosting (and coil whine) that I mentioned a few dozen pages back.

The problem is... MSI global (or whoever it is the looks at the tickets on the website) and local Greek MSI, have a bit of a disagreement.

When I opened a ticket with MSI, they told that the inverse ghosting is not normal and I should send it to the repair center. They even sent me an image of the UFO test they took (supposedly) with the same laptop and panel, that looks normal.

So I contacted the repair center, explained the issue, told them MSI wanted me to run a few more tests and try some things and then I would bring them the laptop.

When I finally brought them the laptop to the repair center, they told me they had contacted MSI (the local Greek one, not the people from the ticket), and the local MSI just said (without having actually seen the laptop), that it's within specifications. I guess local MSI are cheap-ass jerks that are quick to find excuses if it means they don't have to authorise repairs or, god forbid, have the repair center change the panel.

Repair center does not have access to the tickets from MSI website (or at least that's what they told) and the people from the ticket don't seem to want to get involved?

I feel like they're playing good cop/bad cop with me, website MSI thinks something is wrong with my laptop and I should sent it for service, local MSI thinks I'm a crazy person and everything is as it should.

So I guess this : is considered on spec?

All in all, a pretty bad experience so far.

I also have really come to hate the laptop, the coil whine is annoying, the fans are very annoying and the HDD is very loud. The screen, even without taking the inverse ghosting into account, is very bad (it's really really dark, in certain conditions it's unusably dark)

 

Are you running the panel at 60hz by chance?I just read today of a ghosting issue if running at 60 instead of basically anything higher.

Doesn't look at all normal to me, but I've only run at 144hz.

 

Guys, Ive owned this laptop for nearly 4 months now. I clean installed it, fiddled with drivers, ran into tech issues along the way. Tried various combinations of BIOS settings.

I am running a full factory GE75 8SF which is the 8750h with RTX2070 and 2x8GB ram. It still has the factory thermal paste, and factory SSD.

I am going to share my highest benchmark scores, which I believe are close to the best that could be hoped for this particular laptop.

Cinebench R15: 1230 - Temps go slightly above 90, 2 cores thermal throttle.
Cinebench R20: 2726 - Temps: same as above
Superposition : 15886 (1080 Medium)
Timespy: 8191 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/7467451
Firestrike: 18283 https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19612678
Port Royal: 4876 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/104327

All these numbers can be pushed a little further but then wouldnt be 100% stable. The numbers above have been running for weeks with no freezes or BSODs.

For the CPU, I have applied the AC/DC load line BIOS settings, -70 mV undervolt, disabled SGX, enabled DPTF (Added registry files for settings). No other tweaks resulted in higher performance for me.
For the GPU I have built a custom voltage curve with afterburner, running the 430.93 official drivers. (modded drivers are a pain to install and do nothing for me)
All these results are on windows 1903 that is cleanly installed with the latest drivers, and select tweaks posted by UltraMale under the "Windows 10 Tweaks and Fixes".

Except for the cpu tweaks, which are quick and easy, I found that the GPU after an initial flat overclock applied via Dragon Center or afterburner will result in insignificant improvements. (1-2%) and will take 30 mins to hours (if you are obsessed like me) I recommend against trying modded drivers or obsessing over voltage curves unless you enjoy doing it.

Hope these numbers give you an idea on what to expect as potential performance out of this machine. I suppose since the 9th gen is available it doesn't really matter. But I have only recently finished fiddling with my laptop so there you go.

 

I do not have the AUO panel so can't help with the reversion (inverse) ghosting issue. But the chemei (Innolux) panel has the static line issue in some blue colors. When you got your back, did they simply just replace the panel with another AUO? Check the msi forums someone posted a link to a MSI Overdrive application that might help.

My unit does have a little coil-whine. It is expected with any powerful laptop or CPU/GPU these days. Mine is not too noticeable though. I have to be really looking/listening for it. There is not much that can be done, if you RMA chances are the new one will have it, maybe worse whine. I heard that disabling C-states in bios might help. If your always plugged in, might be something to try. While on battery, I am sure you probably noticed that the coil whine goes completely away. It does on mine at least.

 

Those are nice numbers. And to help others who have a 2080, I get over 20K in firestrike for example with my 8750h and RTX2080 (GE75 8SG). I only do an -.180 undervolt in throttlestop (no bios tweaks) though. And no GPU tweeks (other than turbo mode boost from dragon center).

 

Yes. I do not really have any other choice when I want to run games that are locked to 60fps though, right? And 144hz is still bad, I mean I played some games at 144hz and it feels like when I move the camera in a first person shooter, the world gets "sharper" (or has an unsharp mask applied), which is super annoying and distracting.

I did not get mine back yet. I don't know if they are going to do anything. Frankly I don't know if I want it back.

 

RTX2080, 16GB ram version I get 80 fps in BFV I dont think thats normal, -125 Throttlestop I get 9k Timespy but game performance is not good something is wrong but I do not know

 

Turbo mode in dragon center I think by default applies a +100 MHz overclock to your GPU unless you changed it. I think that is no too far off your computers peak performance anyways. Also -.180 is a great under volt, you have a good chip. Enjoy man.

 

Are you having duall channel memory that can cause performance loss if you don't

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Just one possibility, if your CPU is getting super hot it may not only throttle itself, but also cause either extra thermal load on the GPU or even just a power limitation where you can't get full GPU performance. Try limiting the multiplier to 35x just for troubleshooting purposes, you can raise it back up if you prove that heat/power isn't the issue.

 

The reason I sort of glanced over that comment was, 9k is just a mediocre but within normal range of the 2080 model. There is clearly nothing wrong with it.

Obviously the timespy score is a combined score, so both cpu and gpu would impact it. The likely culprit is probably the cpu, but all we can do is speculate pointlessly. The user needs to properly troubleshoot, and give detailed information. For example with -125mv that cpu hanst taken a great undervolt, vs the other user who said he ran a -180mv.

He may have run a slightly lower gpu overclock, and maybe have a single 16gb ram, all resulting in 9k in timespy which is still a very sweet number.

With that hardware the best case scenario is a 10k anyways, and I suspect he didnt literally get 9000, so all in all probably can push it a little further with effort, but the difference wont be crazy.. like 5-6%.

 

Is there a "easy" way to change the msi logo color on the top of the laptop lid.

 

Dual 2x8

I will try this tomorrow, i used DDU same again, gpu usage is at %70 while cpu runs at 95*C ( 30C room) Timespy is 9200 but fps is not sufficient i guess, also cpu at most 85C in timespy

 

Hello!

I have a question. I should get my Msi Ge75 8SF (i7 8750h and RTX 2070) this next week.

Should i update the bios and EC? Is there much difference?

Thanks!

 

8 cores and a RTX 2080! Come on in!!

 

When you order through HID you can have this customized! Scroll halfway down this page http://www.hidevolution.com/custom-...3-thin-bezel-fhd-144hz-i9-9880h-rtx-2080.html

 

Hey everyone I just bought a GE75-9sf 2 weeks ago(From HID, Thanks bob) and I have been loving it so far, This machine is amazing been tinkering with the clocks and have settled on 1680 @ 0.775 and +1000 on memory which sounds amazing(But i am not sure what is the usual curve) although my CPU wont even boot on anything under -50mv.
Heaven scored 2800 with 113 fps min of 38 and max of 229, temps wont reach the 80 when gaming (Bf5 and R6S) and Dota 2 wont go above low 60s, Using cooler boost as I game in a noisy environment and wear headphones regardless.

Coming from a 5ghz 6700k and a 2ghz 1070 this machine surprised me (Although the audio card is a little quite for my liking)

 

Relatively casual gamer here, about to pull the trigger on a GE75 8RE (the 1060 version) this weekend and have two more questions before I do so...

1. The Taiwan version I am looking at has a 5400rpm HDD instead of 7200rpm. Will that cause any noticeable issues?

2. Is there any other gaming laptop you would consider at the $1400-1500 price point? This is a desktop replacement since I'm moving back to the US at some point. The main things I care about are reasonable power (can play new and upcoming rpg's on medium settings at least) a decent screen and good cooling (I want to use it for at least 5 years). The GE75 seems to have the best build and cooling at this price point but I'm open to being proven wrong...

 

After receiving my initial GE75 - 9SF, ran into various problems. Returned for an exchange and got the exchange unit yesterday. So far, zero complaints. Ken from GenTech took good care of me. Only complaint is usually things take longer to get shipped out than promised but I cannot complain about the service as its really good. Ken - Please add rush order option on the site for those who are willing to pay extra.

Now to one nuisance - has anyone got to the bottom of this killer LAN WHEA errors stuff? The killer WLAN works fine but once I plug in the RJ45, I get flooded with WHEA errors. Not that its causing any issues in windows but I find it mildly weird that it occurs. At least its a relief that many others are having this issue without long term consequences but would like to get a solution to this issue. Is there a solution to this?

 

in the run dialogue box, type services.msc

then disable the Killer Networking Service and right underneath it, also disable the Killer Bandwidth Control service..

Then type X to jump down to the bottom of the list, then disable the to Xtend services and reboot

 

Thank you. Once I'm home from work, will update on the results.

 

Sorry for reposting but if someone knows the pros and cons of these updates I would be grateful for the information.

 

I got as much as a 10% cpu performance with the latest bios and EC firmware. The power limit was adjusted.

 

With regards to BIOS and EC FW flashing, they do not usually impact performance. They are just the small pieces of software that hands over your hardware to your OS.

When there is an update, it might be addressing an important bug, or adding support for a new feature etc. For this laptop the updates have been for adding i9 support and an update to the management engine.

If you actually download the files from the msi support page, they have a nice readme file inside with the version history, and change log.

Unless something in the change log seems to be addressing an issue you have, you should not flash your chips. Each time you are taking on a tiny risk to brick your laptop, with no real benefit.


TL;DR:
download the file and read the change log. If you need the change do it, if not, it is unnecessary.

 

I'm always reluctant to change the BIOS or even drivers that matter if I'm not having any problems. Although it's only a few benchmark data points, my various 3dmark scores appear to be at or very near the top, and I haven't done any bios setting fiddling with my 8750h either. Stock paste too. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

 

When I was reading around I found some people that mentioned some code to unlock the BIOS, What is that and where can I get it?

Thanks

 

Still getting WHEA errors, anything else I can try?

 

Nothing else I can think of other than ensuring you have the latest drivers for LAN, WLAN, and Bluetooth from here: http://support.killernetworking.com/software/

 

The easy way would be via a laptop skin cover, that way you can "remove" it from sight easily and use any style you like to boot.

 

I sent the GE75 I had with overdrive issues/inverse ghosting back to MSI, and they told me it is within specs.

This :

is within specs. It's just fine.

I will never touch an MSI product again.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a laptop, because I am going to need one.

 

well if you couldnt return it, you could try a third party repair shop, they might part swap and you can salvage your machine.

 

Returns without the company or shop accepting that the product is defective are not a thing here.

I'm thinking of selling it, but I'll feel bad for whoever gets it.

 

Are you by chance running at 60 hz refresh? I've heard that our 144 hz panels can do that.

I'm not saying its acceptable but just trying to figure out what the issue could be.

 

Hi there,

a week ago, more or less, I installed a cumulative update and since then, my battery drains too fast. I've bought this laptop (8SF variant) a month ago and this issue came since that update. I tried to update the drivers, and nothing changed. Battery normaly lasted 4,5 hours with power saving and now it lasts 1,5 hour. I also checked which apps consume most energy and there is nothing strange on those (Chrome, file explorer, dragon center...).

I yesterday restored it with "Restore MSI factory settings" and when finished, battery usage was normal. but as windows sometimes updates automatically, it updated it again and this issue came again.

I don't know if this issue only affects me or knows what happens. Hope they fix this with an update or something.

 

4,5 hours of battery life is not realistic, 1,5 hours sounds just about right for this laptop. I would say if tuned properly at full charge, the max you can hope for is around 3 hours. (if you downclock to 1.x ghz and dim your display, and not do anything intensive)

Edit: if you follow the instructions in the thread below, it might give you another 15-30 mins on battery;

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...trol-of-the-i7-8750h-advanced-version.823065/

 

Yes, of course. With minimum brightness, with power saving option and eco mode on. but now it lasts nothing. Maybe battery is broken or something but I bought it a moth ago so i don't know

 

Hey,

I just received my GE75 from HIDEvolution after waiting for long time, to found a very noticeable, annoying excessive backlight bleed in the screen specially at the lower middle of the screen, its very visible when playing games with dark scenes like Doom and Resident Evil, it like a flash light coming from the bottom of the screen. is this normal for you guys?, what I have is MSI GE75 8SG Raider-048 with RTX 2080. HIDEvolution said they selected the laptop with minimal bleed!! is this minimal.

on this review of GE75 is a screen of what I can see is normal

https://www.ultrabookreview.com/25452-msi-ge75-raider-8se-review/?

Can you please advise me? Thanks.

See screenshots.

Can you please share your scree here please.

 

Yes, certain games support only up to 60hz, so it's not like I have a choice.

And, it does it at 144hz as well, it's just a bit less noticeable but still pretty bad.

 

Cant be bothered uploading a picture, but I think you cranked you brightnest up to full and took a picture with a phone camera. Obviously in really dark environments camera in general increase their exposure significantly, so I would wager what you see is a lot milder than what is on this image.

The other thing is if you are in a dark room, your screen brightness should be set mid way or even lower. If you are struggling with dark areas in game, you should fiddle with the game's brightness settings. The difference is, when you just increase screen brighness you are just pushing more power to the screen backlight, not making the environment in game lighter.

All that said, that screen has a lot of bleed on the right top, and the bottom middle. That is definetely close to the worst end of the spectrum. If you actually paid a company for low backlight bleed assurance, you have every right to demand a replacement. That is a high backlight bleed panel.

 

that is not what he suggested you, frame locked games is only the amount of frames drawn, not the refresh rate of your monitor.

If you right click on your desktop--> display settings --> advanced display settings --> display adapter properties of monitor 1 --> monitor;

you will see a dropdown, where you can change your displays refresh rate to 60, I do not know if this will actually help, but that is what was suggested to you.