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I recommend returning this laptop, or if the return window is past, take it in for servicing under its warranty. I wouldn't do anything with this laptop that might void your warranty such as unlocking its Bios, or repasting it. If you did either those things, reset the bios and don't mention either action.

Edit: Breaking the factory seal means you can't return it, but it doesn't void your warranty. I would still send it in.

 

Could the problem be with HWinfo software? I havent tested enough yet but I dont know if the laptop itself has any problems.

Ive had couple of freeze moments in Apex Legends but that could have been due to my bad internet connection or undervolt was too high.

 

If you're not using the latest bios that sounds right. The most recent BIOS and firmware have a big improvement in this regard. Regardless of how much you tweak, max fan, etc. I believe the most you can get out of Cinebench is around 1220-1240. If the stars align you might be 1250. For me, I had an odd stretch where I was getting 1270 but now I can't reproduce that regardless of how I set things. Lol.

 

Raider-286 Intel® 9th Gen Core™ i7-9750H



I would like to see stats at stock without LM to compare.

 

The dual channel does seem to make a big difference in gaming (fps). I saw others mention it and it proved true when I changed to dual channel in my wife's new laptop.

 

A software side error is unlikely to persist after a fresh install of windows. I honestly cannot tell you what might be wrong, but neither can anyone else from just looking at that.

If you undervolted too much, the most likely result would be freeze or blue screen. However you can easily troubleshoot that by removing your undervolt. Infact just see if you can replicate the errors on a stock config. If they persist, you should take it to the shop.

 

+1, it is also been reviewed by some review sites too. There are benefits of using dual channel in certain applications but not so much with gaming.

 

Ended up trying my hand at wrapping my GE75 today, not that it isn't a gorgeous machine already I just prefer something with less red.

I always have the trackpad disabled so I didn't bother to cut it out. That being said I was curious and it does still work perfectly even through the vinyl.

 

ok. after spending way too much time benchmarking, changing bios, running more tests, and repeat over and over.... I've concluded that in general much of the bios tweaks don't help anything. The biggest thing you can and should do is undervolt and overclock GPU. These two things, software based things, will drive 20% benchmark gains and at least 10% higher FPS in games.

The one BIOS based exception is the IMON offset and slope, which will let you run at higher clocks for longer. That seems to drive about a 10-12% improvement for long time driven CPU intensive tasks, but in practice it's limited benefit to gamers and most users.

The loadline stuff is a wash when you undervolt... maybe, at best, setting to 1 vs. 180 lowers temps by 1c but hard to really say.

All the current stuff didn't do anything. Something tells me that if ANY of this really did matter, MSI would do it already since they're incentivised to have these things running as fast as they can.

 

Great Work, and the wooden texture seems to feel great, I dislike the palm rest collecting finger print and feel uncomfly, planning to wrap mine with fake carbon textured wrap!

 

Dear All

I have bought the GE75 with 2070 few months ago, was so excited until I tested it with some casual gaming on Anthem... in theory it should deliver better frame rate / gaming experience than my desktop with RX590, but there was random short lag in between gameplay...could be the throttling as mention in the posts here. And most importantly the fan noise is like a 1200W hair dryer or jet engine... Understandably the relatively thin chassis packed with this power horse inside, but just not applicable to game play without headphone. When the CPU fan not exceeding 4000rpm and GPU <3500rpm the noise is acceptable IMO. I had been putting it away collecting dust until last night, after finding out there is a BIOS update from reading the posts.

With stock BIOS, I used Dragon Centre with XTU to undervolt with -150mV Core, -50mV iGPU, and stress test CPU using CPU-Z, got PL1 but no thermal throttling, stablized @ 3.4GHz 88 degree
With updated BIOS, same Dragon Centre with XTU to undervolt with -150mV Core, -50mV iGPU, and stress test CPU using CPU-Z, got PL1 but no thermal throttling, stablized @ 3.6GHz 88 degree

Note with XTU and Dragon Cenre: the core ratio and the Max Power time cannot be adjust, the voltages on core and iGPU seems to work well

My Preliminary thoughts with the BIOS update is that the fan noise came to maximum sooner than the stock BIOS, MSI introduced a more aggressive scale with fan speed to maintain a higher sustainable clock under full load. This is no good to me as the noise really irritates me.

I then uninstall the dragon centre, and used throttle stop to undervolt -160mV Core, -50mV iGPU, silent option for fan speed control (just used Auto mode, the latest BIOS have a more agressive fan table), and Afterburner for the GPU, I set Core Ratio 1+2 @ 3.6G Core, Core 3-8@ 3.4G, and retest with CPU-Z stress CPU, got PL1 but no thermal throttling, stablized @ 3.4GHz <80 degree and CPU fan @ <3900 rpm, this result will do me due to the noise.

Given the substantial performance of the 8750H, having a few more fps doesnt really bother me, so setting such low clock given a smooth game play and adequate low fan noise is my mission.

Paid so much for a laptop, and still have to do all the tweaking in order to make it work properly, although we all enjoying the fun doing so, MSI should unleash all the setting say in a beta bios for advance users to fix it for them, if the dragon centre can set the core ratio and undervolt, most of us do not need throttlestop and silent option and enjoying the propriety software we paid for. But to be fair, we are pushing more from what MSI delivers, comparing to other brands, the GE75 wasnt too bad.

Tested until 2:30am, time to bed, I will continue to tweak GPU fan noise later.

 

ASUS had bamboo notebooks awhile back, which was pretty cool when they did it.

 

Bought a new GE75 Raider 8SG (2080)

I also have 2 other MSI laptops:
1. GT72VR 7RE Dominator Pro (1070)
2. GL62 6QF (960M)

 

Suddenly today I seem to be having some wifi issues (inconsistent download speeds etc). First I though it was just Steam, but I notice it in other applications as well. One minute I will get the full speed on my connection, then it will slow down, then speed up again etc. The connection itself never drops (I can still browse web pages etc), but the overall speed is very erratic. To troubleshoot I connected a LAN cable, and its rock solid on my maximum connection speed.

I know its not my connection as other devices are fine.

When I got my GT80 almost 4 years ago I remember having all sorts of issues with the Killer network control centre. I ended up uninstalling it, and then installing drivers only (with a driver update I got from wherever I don't remember).

Are those previous Killer network issues now fixed, or is there something I can do to improve things? I'd rather run on the wifi if I can, as its one less cable to worry about.

 

Have you tried rebooting your router? I only mention it as I have one laptop in my house (Acer Spin 5) that requires me to reboot the router every once and a while. I don't know why, no other devices have any issues connected to the same router, and rebooting the laptop doesn't help. If I reboot the router (once every month or two?) it fixes the issue.

Also just for troubleshotoing purposes you could try an alternative driver for your wifi in the laptop.

Windows update gave me a wifi driver that caused all sorts of weird issues, like inability to login to emails, couldn't get windows updates after that point, other odd issues even tho technically I could browse normally other than issues stated above. I proved it was windows update driver as I did a full clean install, no optional software and kept updating and rebooting and it failed the same way after that updated driver. This time I simply removed the driver and installed the MSI version and everything worked great after that. Wish I would have tried that before a full clean re-install as I spent the previous 24 hrs getting all my games and apps all setup how I wanted.

 

Cheers for the advice. I'm not aware of Windows Update having installed any new wifi drivers, and I can't see anything if I look back through the update history. First thing I did when I got this laptop 1 week ago was to install the most recent drivers from the MSI website. Everything was fine until this evening. On the LAN cable its perfect, so its something wifi related. Going to try rebooting my routers first, and if that does not fix it, then I'm going to have a think about the next step. I could uninstall / reinstall the drivers, but that would just be the same ones I have installed already, so not really sure how that is going to help.

I'm also considering going without the killer control panel to see if that might help. If I download the killer WLAN driver from the MSI GE758SG support page:

https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GE75-Raider-8SG

Is that JUST the driver? (as I see the killer control center is a seperate download under utilities). I would have thought so, but the filename of the drivver download includes the word "suite", so I'm not hopeful.....

Then again, I might just leave it running on the LAN cable, as thats also going to be more stable than wifi, even when its working fine. At this point I'm not even certain if its an issue with this laptop, or maybe just some kind of transient issue (other devices on the wifi etc).

 

I have actually made some progress in pinpointing the problem, when booting in safemode there are no errors.


When booting normally but with ethernet cable unplugged there is only 1 error ID17 just as windows loads and after that no errors, however if I plug in ethernet cable the errors come back 1-2errors/minute.


multiple ppl with laptops same problem


Even more ppl with same ID 17 problem this time on HP & Asus Laptops


It seems to be a problem that has to do with either my Killer ethernet gigabit or Killer Wifi adapter or potentially both, the error complains about PCI/PCIe.

 

I saw that error in my event viewer for the first day of my install, then it stopped and I never saw it again. I do very little "tweaking" so my guess is it stopped when I switched from the windows driver to the MSI one. I was having a serious issue with certain things only over wifi (logging in to emal, windows updates) and that driver fixes all issues and also stopped that error apparently (I never knew about that error until just now)

 

Which MSI driver stopped you from having the problems?

 

I only installed this one, when I downloaded it a week ago it was the latest available on the MSI website.

lan_KillerEthernetSuite_2.0.1134_UWD_x64_9.0.0.49_0xd1bf3323

 

Im having an issue with the PGUP/HOME key and PGDN/END. I use them often in MS WORD pressing crtl+home or ctrl+end to go at the beggining of the document and to the end of it. However, I can't use this because when a keys is pressed its at PGUP or PGDN, not HOME or END, so my combination mentioned before dont work. If keys were at HOME and END normally, I could acces them pressing shift, but this is not the case.

thanks

 

interesting enough I have 0 errors while using wifi, my errors come when using the ethernet cable.

I think I will do one last clean windows 10 install from USB flash drive and see if the errors disappear using the lan_KillerEthernetSuite_2.0.1134_UWD_x64_9.0.0.49_0xd1bf3323

 

Do you have the full killer control panel installed, or just the drivers, without the control panel (and is this file JUST the drivers?).

When I got my laptop last week, I updated the wifi drivers using this file for the MSI website:

WLAN_wl_KillerSuite_2.0.1134_UWD_x64_20.110.0.3_0xb66bf03f.zip

However when I try to install this file from MSI's website for LAN drivers:

LAN_lan_KillerEthernetSuite_2.0.1134_UWD_x64_9.0.0.49_0xd1bf3323.zip

The installer gives me an error that it cannot be installed together with the Killer suite I already have installed....

EDIT: Decided to uninstall the Killer suite software, then manually install the latest WLAN and LAN drivers via control panel, pointing to the files I download. Installed fine, with the right versions. Lets see how I get on.

 

I have been trying to solve this issue myself, I contacted MSI and KillerNetworks, they both say to contact the other... Really annoying that you can't get any support to fix this!

 

The way most users recommend to set up your drivers is to get only the intel drivers for wireless and bluetooth, get the killer LAN driver from the MSI support page, and not install the killer suite. This is probably not gonna change the errors issue.

If you are not getting speed or latency issues while using your ethernet port, you could also ignore the errors.

 

Anyone tried OCing their RAM? People are getting cool results here (hackness' post) http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/guide-how-to-take-full-control-of-the-i7-8750h-advanced-version.823065/page-13

 

For the audio, you probably need to update your audio drivers and also install nahimic from the app store. Maybe that will help, check it out.

As for performance, yeah turns out that in some games, there is a large performance difference going from single channel to dual channel. I experienced the same, I had single 16GB RAM stick and even my max q RTX2080 was beung under utilized in most titles, some by 10% others by as much as 30%.

Also from a fresh windows install, I had to make a new power profile with max performance, otherwise I lost a tiny bit of CPU power.

 

I've just checked, and I get exactly the same WHEA logger event ID 17 error, also only when running on a LAN cable. When I switch to wifi the error stops. I've updated both the LAN and WLAN drivers with the latest ones from the MSI website.

What exactly is this error, and is it anything to worry about? It does not seem to have any effect at all on my connection, or the speed/operation of my laptop.

 

I confirmed that I did install the killer suite even though I don't use it. I just started it this morning for the first time.

 

In case it helps anyone:

I and several others here were having BSOD issues when running the Afterburner (or Precision X1) OC scanner. I figured out that pretty quickly after I started the OC scanner my wifi would fail. It would still show as connected, but the connection would be dead and worthless. At some point generally 10 minutes or so into the scanning process I'd get a video TDR BSOD.

I could start one of those internet speed tests, hit the OC Scanner start button, watch the speed fall to zero, cancel the scan, and watch the speed go right back to normal.

Manually turning off the wifi wouldn't work. Disabling the wifi card in Device Manager wouldn't work. Running with just the Killer drivers but no software suite, also no good. The only thing that could prevent the BSOD was totally removing the Killer drivers and software suite and leaving the wifi card without a driver at all.

I hadn't really bothered with it since I've been busy, but I had some time this morning, so I uninstalled all the Killer drivers and software, installed Intel's Proset Wireless package, and ... problem solved. Wifi works great, OC Scanner completed without issue.

Killer chose the right name for itself, but not for the reason they think.

 

So I've been having a poke about in Event Viewer, and this is what I see when I boot up from cold:



Anything to be worried about here?

From some reading I've done, the DistributedCOM error is quite common, and generally can be ignored. For example, one way I can trigger this error is if I run a webpage with a flash element on it (so I guess Adobe Flash player is doing something that Win10 does not like). My DistributedCOM errors on boot have a different appID, so I presume they relate to a different application, but I have no idea which one.

Opening Steam also seems to generate a DistributedCOM error, but I have no idea why. Can they just be ignored you think?

EDIT: For the DistributedCOM errors, this article and referenced links seem to suggest that they are normal and can be ignored:

https://www.tenforums.com/performan...hy-certain-dcom-10016-events-dont-matter.html

Just wondering if others are getting them as well?

 

Do you by any chance have a link for the correct Intel wifi drivers that will work with the GE75 8SG?

 

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/search?keyword=9560

you can also get any other drivers there if you just search with your hardware name/number.

also there is a thread somewhere on this forum about installing your intel drivers correctly, you can search for that. But essentially you want to thoroughly uninstall both the killer and the intel drivers that are currently installed, as well as the killer control center, before installing the new drivers.

 

Maybe a stupid question, but my laptop contains a killer network card, not an intel one (or is the chipset on the killer cards Intel, meaning these drivers are fine?)

 

Feel free to add this to the OP or perhaps it should have its own place let me know

I've just finished up some more testing today to save for a future video as this gets send back today.

I have some extensive Handbrake testing at 45w and 55w compared to the 8750h with the same wattage and video render as well as a stock paste 9750h from another device.

 

It is not a stupid question. So the Killer 1550i is basically the intel 9560 wifi adapter with a killer brand sticker on it. You can use it with the intel drivers without issues.

You can happily install the intel bluetooth and wifi drivers.

 

Cheers, and done. Seems better, but I'm still getting slowdowns and speed-ups when downloading from Steam. But the connection never drops (even when Steam has a moment where it says nothing is downloading I can still access the internet just fine). So I assume thats Steam. Although on a LAN cable, I don't seem to get these fluctuations. Got a new wireless router coming tomorrow, so lets see if that helps things.

On the plus side, that Killer crap is now off my laptop!

 

Awesome, thank you very much! I tried the drivers from here, and the audio is great now. Should be getting the extra RAM tomorrow, and will definitely check out the Windows power profile.

 

Whats the lowest you guys undervolted after doing the bios mods? I'm down to -60 and I was only thinking I read people were going to -40 (I was only able to under -140 before) .. starting to wonder if it didnt save I should probably check that.

 

I’m currently at -110 after the BIOS tweaks. Been using it for two days that way, gaming, surfing the web, rock solid so far.

Apparently my CPU barely even needs electricity to work.

Gonna try -115 tomorrow.

 

I dont know if wasting a post on a laugh is proper etiquette.. but "Apparently my CPU barely even needs electricity to work" made me laugh pretty hard

Are your load lines set to 1? I did 5 as per the instructions but I see mention of 1 a lot...

 

I followed the tweak guide precisely since it was over my head, so if it said 5 that’s what it is.

 

Anyone else having the keys white led dying on them? Mine started with one key now its 3 keys

 

So the user AWholeHam wrote the Bios tweak instructions in this thread, who suggested using 5. I tried to contact him and ask about why 5 instead of 1, but haven't been able to reach him. The original post suggesting these settings suggests using 1, whom when I asked if there would be a reason to set it to 5, pretty much said 1 is better.

We are talking about extremely small differences. But essentially the smaller the number, the less your phantom overvolt under load will be.

 

I *think* having loadline at 1 with a smaller undervolt (~40) resulted in better temps than leaving at 180 with larger undervolt (~145). But maybe just 1c. Have done extensive testing and much of these tweaks don't do much with the exception of IMON. The IMON tweak is about the only one that will drive a performance increase during CPU intensive, long running, tasks.

 

liked the video. Although I found my tweaked 8750 held up with the 9750. Did you test the 8750 with no undervolt?

 

Well that is the intended effect of the AC/DC load line tweaks. They are an alternative way to undervolt your laptop. So if you had undervolted your laptop to the brink before, and switched to these tweaks your arent expected to get much better performance. The secret in the pudding is that, the loadline settings are undervolting only when your computer is under load as opposed to a fix undervolt applied by throttlestop. So technically there is not much undervolting being done at idle resulting in better stability, and also potentially a couple C lower temps etc. because of slightly more overall undervolt achieved at the top end. I personally think its the 'cool' way to do it.

I also dont do the IMON tweaks myself, because I dont want to exceed the 45W tdp. This computer is loud as it is. XD

Also an equally tweaked 9750 will perform about 10% better, it just gets higher clocks at similar power. It is essentially a more refined version of the same chip. With the seeming delay/cancellation of the 10nm and the 14nm being pushed to the brink, I think the GE75 8-9 series were actually pretty decent purchases.

 

Hi guys, I am considering buying this: MSI GE75 Raider-048 to be used mostly on QHD 144Hz and sometimes mobile,
I am currently using 7700k (with AIO), 1080Ti desktop system. I need mobility from the summer so i will be switching and I almost need to double the price.

Would this notebook let me down? What are your thoughts? Or should I wait another year?

 

Well it doesn’t seem like you need mobility for the summer if you’re willing to wait another year.

What ultimately do you want? Are you going to part with your desktop?

 

In my mind if you don't need it now, you are always better to wait as long as you can. Laptops generally get cheaper and faster/better over time.

I am doing something similar, changing my main system from a 8700K/GTX1080(laptop) to the GE75. Most of my games have improved the FPS some, with some staying close to the same. Benchmarks are much better overall, much higher graphics and slightly less CPU due to going from a high end desktop cpu to a mid range bga mobile. It is much smaller and lighter and quieter than the 15" I was using. I've read complaints about the GE75 being loud but man it is the quietest gaming laptop I've had in years (Aorus, Clevo's, Acer, previous MSI's). Having a 17" display built in to a basically 15" footprint is nice too compared to the 15" screen I was used to.

Performance wise it should be a step up for you I would think, both CPU and GPU wise under most reasonable loads. (Maybe not is certain raw CPU jobs taht push it to it's limit). However it will be much easier to cause the laptop to throttle and under those conditions your desktop could actually perform better. If you're not afraid to tweak some I think you will be fine, if you want a full out of box experience to be equal you will likely be met with some throttling especially on the CPU side.

Personally I think it's a great system after I tweaked it to my liking, and mine is connected to a QHD 144 external as well, granted most of the time I just use 1920x1080 and enjoy the extra frames. Plus I don't like changing my games resolution and settings back and forth when docked or not. I love playing in the living room on a lapdesk next to the girlfriend now, with auto fans it's barely perceptible when TV audio is playing, and in nvidia whisper mode you can't hear the fans at all. I've ran benchmarks with max fans while watching TV and I could never do that on past systems due to how loud they were. My graphics scores in Timespy are almost 50% better than my 8700k/1080 system.