*** The Official MSI GE75 Raider Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

But I have the concern that I can not sell my desktop build with good price next year?

 

Yea... old stuff won't sell for as much. I would think that your desktop will go down another 300-500 by next year vs. this year. But hard to say. In any event - I think the choice is yours and if you can spare to spend 2K for a new laptop then I think this is a fantastic laptop. But if you want more, then without posting your 2017/2018 tax returns, income statements, and financial strategy we won't be able to advise you about your financial decisions . If the question is about performance differences from your desktop to this laptop, then we can provide more fact based data and thinking.

TLDR: You gotta figure out what you can afford and what you want.

 

It is unlikely there will be a major GPU release from Nvidia anytime soon, and intel looks like they hit a wall with the 10nm stuff. So it is not a bad time to buy.

If you read the first 5-10 pages of this thread, you will see tons of benchmarks and opinions people gave on the laptop.

 

Has anyone used this laptop with the HTC Vive? I'm getting quite a lag spikes and just overall less performance than with my previous laptop with 1080m. Tried the standard recommendation of turning off afterburner. Turning off Silent Option seemed to help the most, but its still not perfect.

 

Has anyone bought one of these with the RTX 2060? I am thinking about picking up one with the 2060. My use case might be a little different. I think I would be using the laptop to mostly watch movies, read, email, and play older games with the fans on auto or quieter. The price difference on the newer I7-9750h models between the 2060 and 2070 is quite a bit smaller, maybe 200$ usd. The small price difference is pushing me towards the 2070, and not the slightly quieter 2060. I think the 2060 is rated for 90w vs the 2070 115w. I was hoping MSI would release this model with the GTX 1660ti, but it looks like I would have to go with a different model to get that GPU.

 

What grfx card do you have? 2080? What are your temps?

 

2080 yea. And temps don't go over 85 (at least not after bios changes/undervolt/repaste)

Also by overall less performance I only mean with HTC Vive (virtual reality)

 

weird ... so, I recall in an older version of Dragon Center there was some "VR MODE" option you could choose. Not sure what that would have done, but in the new version it's gone. Maybe it caused issues in the past so they removed it.

 

I repasted all the cpu/gpu and necessary components. GPU is now 40c while idle, never exceeds over 80c when under load.
Cpu on the other hand is between 50 to lower 60ish when idle and around 80-90 with occasional spikes to 95 under heavy load for long periods.

I used Grizzly Kryonaut do to this and bent the heatsink by accident near CPU which i managed to bend back into original position but still some visible damage apparent. Didnt think it would bend so easily but it did and now im wondering how much it affects the cpu temps. I think 60 while idle is kinda high temp for this laptop right(with bios mod and throttlestop undervolt btw), but at the same time temps dont go way too high while under load. So i quess my question would be if anybody here knows if its possible to order a new heatsink from somewhere online to test it out and wonder if my idle temps seem bit odd to you guys also? I tried to search but didnt find anything available for these models.

 

On my last laptop, I had that VR mode option. And I personally never had any issue with it. However, I've disabled the Dragon Center on this laptop.. so who knows..

 

Unfortunately even a very small amount of warping is enough to completely screw up your temps. You'll probably need to buy a new heatsink and heatpipe assembly if yours is damaged. Bending metal is easy. Putting it back exactly the way it was before you bent it is pretty much impossible.

For reference, my CPU after repasting with Kryonaut idles in the upper 30's and lower 40s with the fans mostly silent with ambient temps around 18-20C. This is with the rear of the machine slightly elevated to let it breathe, the BIOS tweaks (not IMON) applied and an additional undervolt (-105mv, because my CPU is awesome).

With all-core turbo limited to 3.6Ghz because I prefer slightly cooler/quieter to slightly faster, I just fired up OCCT and let it run for 15 minutes on auto fans and my hottest core hit 73. The CPU fan was running about 4800RPM and was pretty quiet.

OCCT is still running after about 20 minutes, and my cores are averaging 64-68C with the hottest one hitting 70C every now and then but sticking close to 68.

 

Your temps are okey to use the computer with at least, but like @zendik pointed it out, a kryonaught installation on this pc technically should have been better. It could definately be the warped heat sink. Is all the core temps near each other? If one of your cores isnt boiling, I reckon you can probably get away with using your current heat sink.

 

Also guys, everytime you boot into Bios, its a small gamble. Here is my frustrating story.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/welp-keyboard-not-working-in-bios.828708/

 

Ack, keep bending it:/

 

The cord is short. Too short in my opinion. None of my other laptops have this short of a cord. When I sit on my couch w/the laptop on a lap desk, I need to make sure the brick is right by my feet, where as my old Sager I could stuff the brick under the end stand next to the couch and still have cord left over to move the laptop around. Same is true for my work laptop, HP EliteBook.

Having said this, does anyone know if the length can be extended? (not interested in a non-MSI power brick option).

 

I put a longer AC cord on which helped some. However that doesn't fix what you said that you still need to have the adapter right at your feet since it doesn't change the length from the brick to the laptop. I picked up a spare adapter on amazon but it was exactly the same as the stock one.

 

Can someone who has the GE75 please let me know if there is a BIOS option which allows you to fully disable Nvidia Optimus? I'm not familiar with MSI, but in Clevo BIOS, this option is usually called MSHybrid and the option is either Discrete (Optimus OFF) or MSHybrid (Optimus ON).

I am thinking about buying the GE75, but I absolutely must have G-Sync, so am thinking of swapping the panel with the one on the Clevo PB71RF-G, which, if I'm not mistaken, is the same panel MSI uses on the GT75 and which has G-Sync. However, in order for this to work, you need to be able to disable Optimus at a BIOS level on the GE75, hence my question.

 

I don't think you can disable optimus on this laptop.

 

I'm pretty sure that won't work for multiple reasons. Not only can you not disable the iGPU in the GE75 BIOS, but putting a G-SYNC capable panel into a notebook won't activate G-SYNC. For instance, I have a Powerspec 1510 (rebranded Clevo) that can use either discrete w/ G-SYNC or Optimus. But you can't swap the panel out for another panel, even a G-SYNC one, because it's the firmware that decides whether G-SYNC can be active, not the panel. The specific panel you are using has to be whitelisted at the BIOS level or, G-SYNC capable or not, it won't work.

One of the folks in the Powerspec 1510 + 1710 thread here at NBR swapped their 60Hz FHD G-SYNC panel out with a 120Hz G-SYNC one and the panel worked fine but G-SYNC simply wouldn't function.

If you want G-SYNC on the GE75 you'll only achieve it using an external G-SYNC capable display.

That said, I've been gaming for a couple of weeks now both on the GE75's internal panel and on my 144Hz QHD gaming monitor with G-SYNC and for the most part I really can't tell much difference.

 

That's very good information to have, thank you.

One other question: I can see that the MSI GE75 keyboard has no Windows key on the left side, just Ctrl, Fn, and Alt. But I read in a review that you can use some MSI software to permanently map it to Windows instead of Fn, is that right? Do you know if having this remap requires that MSI software to always be running the background? And I'm guessing that software only works on Windows 10, so if you installed Win 7 on this laptop, you'd be stuck with that key always being Fn?

 

I uninstalled Dragon Center almost immediately, so I'm not sure.

There is a program called SharpKeys that can change any key to any other key, and it uses the registry to do it without needing any software running in the background.

https://www.randyrants.com/category/sharpkeys/

It's as simple as pressing a key and then pressing the key you'd prefer it to be, and it works on Windows versions going back into antiquity.

 

Awesome thanks!

Guess it's now just an agonising decision of [ RTX 2080, no gsync, no thunderbolt (GE75) ] vs [ RTX 2070, yes gsync, yes thunderbolt (PB71RF) ]

 

If anyone is interested I have a brand new 280w spare charger for ge75 PM me if you are interested thanks.

Sent from my EVR-L29 using Tapatalk

 

I just checked. There is a BIOS option to swap FN and Windows key.

 

Oh nice! Can you please test and see if it works properly? (Should swap the left side key) Would greatly appreciate it!

 

Optimus cannot be disabled but if you use DP port with an external monitor then it is GPU-direct.

 

Hello people I want to install thermal pads in my geilerie. Has anyone already done that? And what thickness do I need for this?
greetings from Bavaria

 

Great review video. Can we bother you to run Cinebench R15 MultiCore in a loop? To see if the machine gets lower scores in subsequent tests and thermal throttles and settles into a lower average score? Thanks.

 

Thank you and I’d love to help with this but this was sent back since the review was complete

It will NOT thermal throttle the way it was setup. If it did then nearly everything else made wouldn’t stand a chance. This chassis especially with LM is superior to many.

 

Anyone noticing slight coil whine, which is more noticeable when moving your mouse?

I seem to have some coil whine that I can hear when on the windows desktop and moving my mouse (just audible). Its louder with a wired usb mouse, and barely there when using a wireless USB mouse, but still just audible if you put your ear to the case.

No idea exactly which component it's coming from. I know it's not via the speakers.

Anything to worry about? And is there anything I can do to reduce / eliminate it?

I'm currently undervolting -0.100 on CPU and -0.30 on intel GPU. Could that be causing it? I've had the laptop 2 weeks and only noticed it last night. I really don't know if it's always been there but I've only noticed it just now, or if it's something that just started.

 

Whats the best way to setup dual-monitors? I have 2 - 27 inch at work and want some advice on the best connections. I don't have my build yet. HIDEvolution is still customizing, but want to be all set when it arrives. Any cable / hub recommendations?

 

I use mine with the lid shut; I have 1 Mini Display Port to standard Display Port Cable, and one HDMI to Display Port Cable (tricky purchase as they are all one way converters) https://www.google.com/search?q=FOI...rome..69i57.9176j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

how are temps when closed and under load?

 

I have been using external audio interface with the laptop so far, but today I tried mixing using the headphone jack. The audio is terribly compressed and bassboosted. I have removed nahimic and disabled everything possible in realtek audio console. Audio is still compressed. My bet is it is because of the ****ty MSI realtek audio console. Has anyone uninstalled that and using older realtek version for better results? Or is there something else I am missing. I am doing plenty of audio engineering work and it pisses the hell outta me that this laptop has some kind of compression added to the headphone output jacks signal no matter what I do.

 

I don’t see any temperature difference.

 

my buddy just got his ge75 2080 but hes noticed 4-5 dead pixels in the screen, super tiny and hard to notice but they are there none the less.... did anyone here see any dead pixels in their screens yet? should 1-4/5 dead pixels be something to worry about?

 

It all depends on where they are on the screen, and if they are clustered. My GT80 had one dead pixel in the top left, about 1cm down from the top of the screen. I did not notice it for the first 2 months, then for a few weeks it was the only thing I could see, then after that I simply forgot about it.

If its a brand new laptop and it bothers him that much he should be able to return it with the initial period (usually 15-30 days depending on the country, and if it was bought instore or remotely - over the internet).

 

So I ordered 8SG today will be switching from 1080Ti desktop. What are your suggestions for thermal throttling? Can you suggest me a thermal paste? And what else to do before using it

 

Hi all,

I decided to buy an MSI GE75 Raider. I couldn't decide between the GS75 and GE75 but, I've seen it in the store today. There is no difference in thickness and weight. Although the GS model was idle, it was too hot.

I will use the computer for drawing, designing, analyzing and rendering. I have a few questions for you. Answers at an appropriate time, I would love to write your comments and ideas.

1) The computer will run under load for a long time (Render, meshing or analyzing) What about the CPU and graphics card temperature?

2) The programs I use recommend the Tesla and Quadro graphics cards. I've read that the render-taking capabilities of the RTX graphics cards are greatly improved compared to the previous generation.
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080/4029vs3603 2070 vs 2080
*Much faster multi rendering.
+52%
Are there any people who use video cards for this type of job?

Thank you.

Regards.

 

Hello who knows what that is for a PASTE on the V RAM. Can I use Mx4 there?

 

After doing a good of amount of research I decided to go for the Raider due to the fact that the thinner laptops get too hot and the max q cards are a mixed bag and not worth the money. I chose the MSI GE75 9SF Raider-286 with the i7-9750H and RTX 2070. I'm getting it from Hidevolution with two Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 1TB ssds and the best thermal paste job they have.

 

It's a good machine, I hope you enjoy it as much as I have mine.

I'm curious how the 9570 compares to the 8750 in this model.

 

I'm not sure what it was, had kind of a gum consistency. Anyways, I removed it and used Gelid Extreme. I'd apply some, dry fit the fan assembly to make sure it was making contact then applied to the CPU and GPU. Haven't had any issues and temps are very decent.

 

Generally most TIM pastes wont be thick enough to make contact. You can use a viscous thermal paste like K5 Pro or use thermal pads. You should probably take it back apart and use one of those.

 

It is making contact.

 

For everyone who consider to repaste the GE75 ,a few important informations:

The manufacturing tolerance of the cooling system is absolutely horrific and cost me a lot of time.
It is nearly impossible to go the thermal pad way... On one side you have a distance of 1.5mm , on the other side just 0.5mm and on the third side you have 0,7mm.

There is just one way like mentioned in the forum before, and this is the K5 Pro way.
Do NOT try to put high end thermal paste around the GPU, like on the Vram and VRM. I know it is not conductive, but i tried and almost broke this f..... laptop.
The consequence was dissassambling 4 times and cleaning it with alcohol a few hours. It seems like high end paste is indeed "a little bit" conductive.

Besides that, this Laptop is a freaking cooling monster.
Repasting the CPU and GPU with Cooler Master Mastergel Maker brings a huge improvement.

I Undervolt it -140mv on Cpu, overclock the Ram to 2933, overclock the GPU +200 Mhz and the Vram +400.
Temperatures are great - tested on BF5 on an external 1440p gsync monitor with RTX on and DLSS off.

Cpu constantly @3.9Ghz - between 77 and 84° C
Gpu maxed out at 71-72° C

Just a quick info to save you a lot of time and anger.

 

Hello everyone can anybody confirm the ram model and SSD model on the GE75 9sf raider 286 please?

Thanks

 

Thanks for the info. Did you find that overclocking RAM resulted in better performance? I'm also surprised you got +200 on GPU. Was that stable? Which chip do you have? Seems most have been closer to +120, maybe +150. It's not a temp thing but stability of the chip.

 

Overclocking the Ram only make a difference if you are not in the GPU limit - i think it is not really necessary.
+200 on Gpu side was stable for about give or take 1 hour of BF5. The thing is i dont know if it is holding the frequency constantly, because i am hitting the tdp for almost all the time.
Yesterday I did not have enough time to test it.
Frequency is going from about 1770 to the high 19xx Mhz.

Which GPU it is i also dont know - have to check that

Edit: i thought you mean if it is a A or B chip....
It is the 8SF - so RTX2070

 

Im finnaly about to receive my GE75 tomorrow with a 9880H and 2070. Im actually excited, 8 cores in a laptop thats not the size of a small briefcase. Wondering how it'll perform. Got it from gentech with paste and thermal pads upgrade...