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Sorry I meant to ask the ram can be overclockable?

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Yes, you can overclock RAM if you unlock the BIOS and go into overclocking options.

2400 CL16 will perform better than 2666 CL19. JEDEC spec for 2666 is CL16 by the way.

Hackness has some OEM Samsung RAM in a GS65 at like 340mhz stable.

 

Thx

 

Is mostly everyone following this method?

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I have yet to have anyone ask me how to unlock the BIOS, so I’m not sure.

It’s very popular with the GS65 owners though (me being a prior one, and that being how I figured most of those mods out).

The only things you’ll gain by doing that is better temps without major software based undervolting and never hitting your power limits or current limit. So it’s not really “necessary”. Though load line changes do manage temps better than just an undervolt.

 

For better temps it would be worth it. I sent my pc back. When I receive a new one I'll message you on how to unlock the bios. This will definitely be something I will look into. Thanks for spending the time to post that.

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Hello there!

I can’t custom build it as I’m in Greece, and buying one from the US means I have to pay a ton of money for customs.

Yes I agree jumping from 14” to 17” is unnecessary but the difference btw GE63 8SE and GE75 8SE is 50€ so, I guess it’s worth it since it will have better cooling as well.

I guess you’re right about SSDs if I had that kind of money I would only have SSDs in my laptop, but unfortunately I have to stick to a cheaper solution...

 

I have a stock rtx2080 model and half the cores on the cpu go to 92 °C while the other half stay around 80 °C so I'll do a repaste. Does anyone know the thickness of the thermal pads if I want to do those at the same time as the repasting?

I know everyone is recommanding Thermal Grizzly but since it's my first time I'd go with Noctua NT-H1 so I have room to redo it if i mess it up. Is that a good idea too?

 

I think I’m gonna go with GE75 too, I’m reaaally close to choosing which one I’m getting...

Yeah the Stealth’s design is indeed amazing! And those accents of gold... wow! But too expensive, I believe it’s not worth it!
Sorry but I lol’d at your comment about the shocks you got with your previous laptop! It reminded me of an airbnb I was staying for a couple of nights in Athens some months ago, and everytime I took a shower I was getting shocks as well... freaaakyyy haha!!

I’ll have to ask about what applies about pasting and the warranty here in Greece, I’m not sure...

 

Hey, thanks for your comment!

I agree with everything you’re saying. So, I guess I’m getting a GE75 most probably?!!

 

Hello! Someone playing Anthem with the laptop yet? I'm experiencing a low GPU usage and drastic lost of Fps most of the time...

EDIT: GE 75 with 2080, have throttlestop at 3500 mhz... Still can't get in anthem more than 50 fps with drastic falls until 35 or so, always having a cpu usage of 40 % more or less, regardless I play in low or ULTRA settings, same FPS.
Read in the forum that's something happening to a lot of people

 

I got it. Thank you very much mate!

Never seen such a good (unlocked) BIOS with so many options in a notebook before. I just switched the memory profile to XMP1 (2666 MhZ) and now CPU-Z shows the correct memory speed.

The GE75 with the RTX 2070 is indeed a great machine. I am very happy with it.

The fan noise is very aceptable. In addition I've set in Windows 10 energy options the maximum CPU speed from 100% to 99% and the fan runs much quieter.

 

How much does overclocking ram help I am just wondering this is new to me.

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I guess nothing... 3D Mark Time Spy Score is before and later 7300

 

Well friends, it appears I will be leaving the GE75 in a month or so... I ended up getting an offer I could not refuse on a 51m fully loaded...

 

Huh... I wonder what happened?

 

Honestly my laptop never leaves my desk (or if it does it’s a rare occasion), so I ended up deciding that a desktop processor and (potentially) upgradable card outweighed any mobility factor. I also like to tinker and push devices hard, so it seems like a good fit for me.

That and they offered me like $1000 in incentives.

 

Makes sense. I mean the machine itself is already 1k above price I look forward to your impresions about the machine

 

It seems I have become an impromptu RTX mobile reviewer here just trying to find the right system for me... Jeez.

My total price ended up being about $1000 more vs my GE75, but I can’t really complain when getting a 9700k and a 2080 with the full 180w TDP.

Now I just have to bank on intel not dropping the LGA 1151 next gen and dell releasing more proprietary socketed video cards...

I’m hoping to get 2-4 years of life out of this thing... At least until the end of my masters.

Side note, I’m still more then happy to help GE75 owners with tweaking

 

Where? How? Several tries and the best managed from dell was like $500 cheaper. XoticPc being much cheaper than their price.

AW Area 51m imo is not really 'portable' unlike the GE75. That thing is for plugging in and rarely if ever moving.

 

I was gonna go with the Sager 9176 with a 9900k, before I decided to go with the GE75; I can't wait for it to arrive! The i9's just aren't outperforming the i7 8750h to justify the price and weight difference.

 

Yikes! Haven't looked at this thread in a while. Up to 60 pages. Will have a lot to read through when I finally get mine... ordered it back on 1/30. Still don't have it yet. >_<. It seems like the general consensus is that everyone has been happy with the performance of their GE75s, so that's good!

 

LGA >>>> BGA in terms of longevity.

Also Frank just confirmed the 2080 is getting pushed to 200w. Can’t complain there.

I just called dell Canada several times until someone was willing to deal. See my comment about my laptop never leaving my desk. I also have other laptops, should I need portability.

 

what ram should i get if i don't want to modify the bios(no clue how to overclock ram) to get the 2666mhz speed from a ram stick. I originally ordered:

Ballistix Sport LT 16GB Single DDR4 2666 MT/s (PC4-21300) DR x8 SODIMM 260-Pin - BLS16G4S26BFSD
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XC44MJN/ref=psdc_172500_t2_B01N7K4DV4

but as i realized it "starts" at 2400mhz without overclocking.... to the advertised speed

so instead i want to order ether:

Kingston Technology HyperX Impact 16GB 2666MHz DDR4 CL15 260-Pin SODIMM Laptop Memory (HX426S15IB2/16)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N7K4DV4

or
Patriot Viper 4 Series DDR4 16GB 2666MHz (PC4-21300) SODIMM Single Module PC Memory (PV416G266C8S)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KBKIJY2/ref=psdc_172500_t3_B01N7K4DV4

does anyone know if ether of these actually start at 2666MHz?

 

HyperX will for sure, as I have it in my machine.

If you buy XMP memory it should automatically go into the XMP profile and use whatever speed that desires. But if not you can just go into the overclocking menu and switch the profile from “default” to “XMP 1”

That patriot is a single stick eh? Avoid that. You’ll only get 1333mhz in single channel mode.

 

After unlocking the bios and going into the overclocking the only option for the profile was default or custom, and custom you had to chose all the values, and I have no idea what I’m doing so I want to avoid programming the custome profile. No option for XMP.

Also all of these are a single stick I am just adding it to the the other single stick of 16gb, yes they are not identical but that’s not that important anymore

 

Then that RAM doesn't support XMP.

If you’re mixing with OEM, you won’t see XMP, because it isn’t XMP, all the RAM has to be XMP.

 

Would these tweaks also work on the GE73 Raider with the 8750H and will I see better temps if it will work? Right now I have the GE73 Raider with 8750H and GTX1070. I bought it thru GenTechPC with both the CPU and GPU repasted with Conductonaut LM.

However, even with a -0.160 underclock in XTU, my CPU is constantly running above 90c and throttling in games. My GPU temps never get above 74c and that is with OC's of +150 to the core and +1500 to the memory.

 

Not true!! I have a GE75 sitting in my cart on Xotic PC right now for $3856.00. If I felt like waiting around until the end of March when Xotic will finally (hopefully) be getting in their Area 51M's I could get one with the 9700K, 2080, 32GB RAM, and same HDD options and upgrades I have chosen on the GE75 and it is only $300-350 more expensive.

The Area 51M, until Xotic raised the price yesterday due to Dell raising the price on them, was $2899.00 for the 9700K and 2080. This was only $100.00 more than the GE75 with a 2080 starts at ($2799.00)

 

Hi GE75 owners, I have a problem with my second SSD. THe bios cant see it. The SSD is 1tb Sata m.2 by Samsung - Evo 860.
Please help me someone, there is my child's photos on it... Hope it still works...
My Ge75 is 8sf version if it means something.. It has main Windows ssd and 1tb hdd in it.

 

Maybe try switching the 2 m.2’s slots?
If you put the one with windows in the 2nd slot it still should load (unless you have windows on your Samsung 860

 

yes! did it, now it works. Is it ok? Just one slot is suitable for Sata m.2 disk?
thank you.

 

Glad it worked, but I don’t really know if its ok or not.

 

They should work on any MSI laptop, as they all have that silly 1.8mOhm resistor. Even MSI desktop mobos have it.

Have you tried propping the back of your laptop up as well? I find an engineering scale makes a good prop, it’s sturdy and about as wide as the laptop.

 

Whatever price you configured for the GE75 is additional, but the base price of the machine is what I meant. All the prices I saw from Dell for the machine started way too high in comparison to... everything, I guess?

You are saying the machine is going to be over 4k with the configuration you chose? those 300-500dlrs seem like a lot. But at least you get a better processor and I hope you do overclock the 2080 ;p otherwise all that extra power is just... costing more without giving you the benefit you deserve!

 

You need to dial down the memory OC, you are probably running into error correcting without even noticing. That is way too high an overclock for it. As for CPU, when did you buy it? was the temperature creeping up lately? How are your fan curves? You should definitely apply the voltage reduction over BIOS.

 

Hey guys. If someone purchased the new GE75 with a RTX 2080, please post a screenshot of GPU-Z. I'd like to see what the GPU and Rev ID is.

Thanks!

 

How do you unlock the power slider I afterburner?

I unlocked the voltage but no idea on the power or max temp sliders

 

You have to edit by curve. https://forums.evga.com/m/tm.aspx?m=2820280&p=1

Also make sure you’re on the beta build, it added RTX curve support.

 

I will definitely lower the memory overclock on the gpu. I bought it back in September of 2018 while I was home on my last R&R from Afghanistan. It has pretty much always run hot even with the LM on it. It runs between 88-95c while gaming even with Cooler Boost enabled with fans running at max. With the -0.160 undervolt at those temps it bounces between 3.4-3.9 but usually is between 3.7-3.9GHz according to Riva Tuner OSD.

I will do the BIOS tweaks when I get off work tonight and see if that helps.

 

Hi guys, just picked up the GE75 with the 2080 a week ago. I've been reading through this thread and it's been really helpful. This laptop is a beast!

I switched to dual channel ram (which increased performance VERY significantly), and undervolted the CPU, and the GPU slightly.

I'm running into some problems, though. The laptop will have issues charging. Sometimes it says "plugged in, not charging" or "plugged in, discharging". Is this normal? Perhaps the outlet at my apartment isn't supplying enough power? I'm a bit of a dunce when it comes to electric work.

 

yes it's normal. you don't want your battery at 100% all the time and windows 10 helps you with that. if it's at 95% and not charging, but you need 100%, unplug and replug your laptop's power. don't worry, it's working as intended

 

Awesome, thanks. This is my first windows laptop in a while

 

My GE63 runs cool with a -130 undervolt and a custom voltage curve for the GPU. Bf5 hits 85c on at least one core usually.

If you raise the power limit the cpu wont throttle. Mine never goes below 3.9ghz

 

any luck finding the right size for thermal pads yet?

 

Hello there.
I´m in a big dilema. I wanna a laptop for gaming ofc in my country Im limited to some stores.

I have 2 choises (well Im not incluing RTX 2060 because its slower then GTX 1070).

MSI GE73 8RF with i7 8750H with 32GB DDR4 2400, GTX 1070 with SSD 512GB, 1TB HDD - Costs 1700€ comes with 230w powerbirck
MSI GE75 8SF with i7 8750H with 32GB DDR4 2666, RTX 2070 with SSD 512GB, 1TB HDD - Costs 2190€ comes with 280w powerbrick

So in therms of thermals, perfomance, is it worth almost 500€ more?! In don´t care about Raytrace but I care about fluid gaming with great graphics, can´t go higher in prices so Im limited to this settings.
I gona do repasting with artic silver 5 ofc and I gona do some undervolting and limiting turbo to 3.8Ghz in any case and I gona add some thermal pads 1mm from artic.

So ... plz I wanna ur opinion since there isn´t much about the new MSI (I saw alote videos, some say stay in gen 1xxx some say go to 2xxx)

 

Well the 20 series is supposed to run cooler then the 10 series.

Also the 2060 can be faster then the 1070... but it heavily depends on the laptop.

There seems to be a very big range in performance per laptop. With different factors like power bricks and I’m sure others as well, no 2 laptops models are the same in actual performance even though they have the same CPU and GPU, so you should look at individual model performance of each laptop that has a 20 series card.

That being said with cooler running temp the 2070 can be up to 30% performance increase with out using Ray tracing. I would recommend going with the 2070 over the 1070 because it could make you laptop be useable to play games for a longer time.

You are also getting a better screen. Between the GE73 and GE75, there’s an upgrade from 120mhz to 144mhz. As well as smaller bezels causing the GE75 to be lighter and smaller by almost an inch on each side (W/L).

 

Thanks for your reply.
Yes the RTX 2060 does in fact overperform the GTX 1070 in games like Hitman 2 and BF5. Otherwise the GTX 1070 is quite faster.

But I saw a difference in terms of frames (stock) on the RTX 2070 going from 20 to 25 frames on recent games, old games u don´t see that much difference but anyways its a old tech vs new tech right!
Ye the GE73 has a weaker panel and the GE75 has a great panel with 330nits (IPS Level) instante of a Anti-Glare display.

Also as u well said, the design is quit elegant on the GE75, more 2019 then the GE73. Ofc both are expensive but since Im mostly play outside my house (connected ofc to power) I do care on perfomance.
The 230W is almost limiting the GE73 in my mind because from what I saw consumption on the GE73 goes 10W over 230W. On the case of RTX 2070 it comes with a RTX 2080, and I guess it runs cooler.

GPU temps aren´t making me worry and I bet u can overclock it well since I hear it someone did do 180Mhz/900Mhz of OC in the GE75 series, but again maybe he got luckey!
I do gona repast anycase. I don´t know how to "curve" the MSI but I know how to undervolte the CPU, I had a GP73 and it was a nightmare in therms of thermal, had to repast 3 times, undervoltage and so one, I managed to get it stable, but what makes me angry is that we pay so much atleast they could come already with liquid metal or atleast a great thermal past/pad. No... as always.

There isn´t much of choise, the RTX 2060 costs about 2000€ with same specs (CPU and so one). ASUS Scare 2 overheats like hell, even worst. And the cheapest I get for a RTX 2070 is the GE75!

Most RTX 2070 are way above 2300€... kinda crazy compared to the past they had same series xx70 always in the house of 1600 to 2000€. Times changes like phones, more expensive as alwayas and there is one more thing: Single channel memory, makes me sick. Ofc in my case they come in dual channel with 16GB each (total of 32GB).

Sadly Portugal is very expensive in tech!
Thanks again for the reply and ur sugestion!

 

This is what I found out: GS series uses 0.5mm, GE series uses liquid type thermal pads so no thickness, GT uses 1mm.

 

Just remember to disable the undervolt BEFORE you attempt the bios tweak. What are your ambient temps? In the end the ambient temps are also critical. If you still have those temps after the bios tweak, and in ambient temps near 20 C then something might be wrong.