*** The Official MSI GE75 Raider Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

Haven't had the time to mess with anything yet, but the ambient temp in my room is between 22-24C (71.6 - 75.2 F). Hopefully will have time to try everything tonight.

 

I'm pretty interested in the GE75, but I have 2 concerns, firstly how hard is it to add in the second ram stick? It almost looks like the ram sticks are tucked under the heat pipes. Secondly the batteries are right next to the fans/heatpipes, wouldn't the heat cause problems for the battery a few years down the line?

 

shows the placement of the RAM slots on the GE75 / RTX2080 flavor. That second slot doesn't seem obstructed.


Right after that, she comments on the battery. The bottom plate apparently has a small wall which goes between the battery and heat pipes to reduce the effect of the latter on the former. Don't know how effective that is but they've apparently at least thought about it.


Edit:

Gah. The links don't reflect the intended times.

See t=943 and t=965 respectively.

 

May I ask whitch programs for undervolting CPU and GPU you have choosen?

 

ThrottleStop is the way to go as it allows you to change configs on the fly and play with them. Also EVGA Precision X1 software allows to tweak the gpu and looks great.

 

Is EVGA Precision better than MSI Afterburner?

 

Hi everyone! Just joined this and first post. I too am also a proud owner of the GE75 RTX 2070.

I thought i would give my two cents on things since everyone here seems super helpful.

What I Like:

The price was reasonable. FYI im in Australia. I managed to get mine for 3295 AUD. This was from JB HIFI that has the price listed as 3999 AUD. I priced matched with Mwave then managed to convince them to take off more because of the 256 SSD rather than the 512 SSD that Mwave had. This worked out well for me since i dont need a big SSD and still have the 1tb HDD for all my games and big stuff.

The screen is gorgeous. Look its not the best but its very nice to look at. The matte display has no glare at all and the refresh rate makes its smooth and buttery.

The performance. Maybe im just used to be 2013 macbook pro and an oldschool gamer. But wow i couldn't believe the performance of this thing. I cracked open witcher 3 for the first time and was just delighted at the graphics. Everything on ultra and smashing around 80 - 100 fps. Im running a single stick 16 gb memory but I have read and watched videos saying that dual channel will add more FPS

Size and portability. The 17 inch is great. What i dont understand is the 15 inch model. It is basically the same size because it has thick bezels and doesn't weigh much less. I dont see why someone would buy that when the 17inch has a similar form factor and weight. This is heavy but still portable. If you are not traveling too much then this strikes a good balance of portability vs power. And yes i know you have the titans and larger laptops but (in my opinion) these are just heavy desktop replacements that i would feel uncomfortable moving around.

The port selection is decent. no #donglelife for me.

What I Dont Like:

The battery life. OMG seriously. Am i doing something wrong? Im lucky to even get 2 hours of browsing web or typing a document on this thing with all power saving modes on eco on and screen and the lowest brightness. It really makes doing anything without it being connected to power a constant worry.

CPU temp. The GPU temp is great but the 8750 H just runs way too hot. The fans dont really help much after about 4000rpm they max out around 5500ish rpm. I did do some undervolting with throttlestop and this helped a lot. I managed to get -130mv on core and cache but i could probably push it to -140 but meh.

The power brick. It looks good but damn its heavy. And with the bad battery life you pretty much need to take this with you which significantly adds to your carry weight.

Feel free to ask any questions. Im not a techy just your average guy that likes to game and knows a bit about computers.

 

That is clearly not the GE75 2080 js. The 2080 version the ram is partially blocked however it is accessable.

My GE75 / 2080

**See post below.

 

Here is some real life testing. Been wanting to test this myself for weeks just haven't had time. Enjoy . Having my ifixit plastic triangle pry tool handy made life alot easier. You will need to do some wiggling but its 100% doable.

Removed


The angle I found worked easiest for removal and re-installation.

 

Thank you for your impressions on the machine!

Regarding battery life and power brick - You have to remember you bought a gaming laptop that packs the full version of the GPUs and thus requires a large amount of power to work. These machines need power bricks of over 200W and thus they end up being big. Small power bricks simply do not give the necessary power to help you get 100% performance and charge your machine.

Regarding battery life: Every single notebook that packs a powerful GPU and is not using Optimus/hybrid/switchable graphics, will have "horrible" battery life. This means 2 hours tops in general. Any "gaming laptop" that gives you a lot of battery life uses the integrated graphics. Right now you pack serious performance in both GPU and CPU in an uncompromising package, but you also expect or need long battery life? GE series is meant for gaming first, unlike other series from MSI and it sacrifices switchable graphics.

One thing to consider is that Optimus/switchable graphics machines, while they do bring larger battery life, they generally have a small % penalty in gaming performance and TDP consumption of the CPU, among other things. If you feel the machine does not have your desired expectations, there are other products that you can consider, because pure gaming machines like GE series will always have the penalty in battery life.

Regarding temp- Yeah the CPU runs specially hot in all i7 machines, and generally undervolted is required. Not only to keep temps in control, but to have good sustained performance. You did good by undervolting. If you want to further improve that, there are BIOS tweaks you can perform to reduce voltage in the "best" way and also free up a bit of power for the CPU, to keep sustained performance.

 

Thanks ryzeki,

Do you know if the GE75 has Optimus and if so, how can I enable this?

Can you and others verify that 2 hours is normal for the GE75? What battery life are you getting on yours? I have seen other reviews stating they are getting 3 or 4 hours. For example:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-ge75-raider-rtx-gaming-laptop,5983.html

Lisa from mobile tech review is stating she gets 4 hours. (check the the video at 18:53). She also mentions optimus. So again no idea if this is on in my machine and how to enable it.


Is it worth touching the BIOS vs ThrottleStop? will there be any noticeable improvement?

 

BIOS is only going to help if you are PL throttling which I wasn't the best way to tell is running cinebench or run some other benchmarks like timespy etc and see where the throttle is, mine is bog standard with no re paste or any other mods at all to the hardware but with some tweaking in throttlestop ive managed to get 10k+ in timespy so its totally possible with no bios edits.

 

also congrats on your purchase its a hell of a machine! battery life isnt really an issue for the most part as more me its really just a portable desktop i can take to another room or when I travel I have something that can keep up with me. so its plugged in id say a good 95% of the time.

 

Wow 10K +! I only got 7289 and thats with a 100mhz OC. Do you have the 2080? Do you mind sharing the settings and what you did with TS?

 

PSA

Reg battery life. Do yourself a favor and open task manager and check explorer.exe. I did it on my and upon further (hours) of investigation i see that iaStorAfsServiceApi is constantly running in the background of explorer. I found this out by using the ProcessExplorer app.

I then uninstalled the optane pinning extension app and this made a world of difference to the CPU and power consumption (and benchmarks)

You can see that others have had this problem
https://resource.dopus.com/t/updated-intel-optane-causes-high-cpu-usage-opus-explorer/30541/3

Now i also have a feeling my Optimus is not working. When i task manager and go to the performance tab, I can see my RTX is still active and being used despite very light workload. I have a feeling this is also what is causing lower battery life. If anyone knows how to fix this then please let me know.

Optimus test tools also shows the RTX active and handling processes. Try it on yours and see if its the same. You can download it here:
https://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/26992-optimus-test-tools-finally-in-users-hands/

I really hope i can get this thing to run 3 to 4 hours like some reviews rather than my 2.

 

How you unlock voltage? And which benefits you get with it?

 

2hrs is normal for the GE75. If you make a new power profile and disable turbo and disable/park 2 cores, lower brightness, and other minor tweaks you can extend to like 3-4hrs. It's more than enough cpu juice for media consumption/work stuff. You can get away with more battery life with more tweaks like that "make the 8750H your own" thread, but i'm a pussy and i dont wanna go in the BIOS

 

Has anybody tried to see if a 15mm thick 2.5" fits? I think thickness overall seems to probably be ok, but that one heatpipe sits really close. I don't really want to take it apart without having the drive ready to install, but then again don't feel like buying a drive i'm not sure I can fit in.

 

Doesn´t the GE75 with RTX 2070 take 1mm thermal Artic Pad? I heard it does, plane to repast it aswell.

 

i asked msi support and they said 0.5mm is fine on all of the components on GE75 (RTX 2080).

now i just need to find someone who sells fujipoly in europe

 

i found a seller in norway that sells this https://www.tglobalcorp.com/tg-a1250-ultra-soft-thermal-conductive-pad
haven't found any reviews of it yet, some of the specifications differ from fujipoly with 11 W/m-K.
anyone see any reason why i should not use this?

 

Finally getting my GE75 Raider w/ 2080 this week. I am excited to join you all in the fun.

@Ultra Male Are you still offering tweaks for #Team HIDevolution?

 

Will this make any difference?
Its kinda expensive, 22€ its about 25$...

https://www.globaldata.pt/aircoolin...us-pad-8-100-x-100-x-05-mm-tg-mp8-100-100-05r

 

Has anyone got the Grizzly repasting from XoticPC? I'm hoping for good results, but their sales just told be that they don't verify a decrease in temperature; just stability, which sounds like it could be the same or worse than stock; hoping that's not the case...

 

RAM SO-DIMM G.SKILL Ripjaws 16GB (1x16GB) DDR4-2666MHz CL18

Does this work with my new GE75 8SF since it comes with already 2666MHz DDR4 single channel 16GB?
Will it work in DUAL CHANNEL even with diferente Latêncy?!

 

I believe both sticks need to be identical for dual channel to work.

 

So how to I know what typ of stick it comes with?! I mean... there is no info besides of having a DDR4 2666MHz

 

What site are you looking on? XoticPC shows the 1 x 16GB 2666 as single channel.

 

On my country, Portugal site.
It comes with a single channel DDR4 2666MHz.

Thats the catch. Could I use one of this:
a) G.SKILL Ripjaws 16GB (1x16GB) DDR4-2666MHz CL18
b) Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (1x16GB) DDR4-2666MHz CL16

Adding to the already existed single channel to be dual channel?

 

Use for instance HWiNFO (free) to see the brand and specs of the memory; I have two different brands but with similar specs working in dual channel.

 

Problem is that I wanna buy the PC same time as the Memory, so I cant use HWiNfo.

Speeds are same, what me worries is that I bet that the new GE75 with 2666MHz CL16/17, right?!

 

I do not own ge75 but I have ge72vr 7rf and I can recomend you gelid gp Extreme pads with 12W/mK.
Good price for performance especialy on 0.5mm pads.
No problem to buy here in europe.

Or you can buy thick high performance thermal paste like Phobya Nanogrease Extreme 16W/mK. Should work even better than pads. A bit expensive for 3.5g but if you have Money for newest ge75 this is not much
for this paste or pads

As I am planning to buy 8sg in near future I also want to ask about LM repasting. From one video with tear down I had impression that LM repasting will be a bit more dificult on gpu rtx2080 and i7 CPU as there is not much space from die that touches copper to the aluminium part of heatsink. So a bit worry about galium making contact with aluminium part. Of course foam dam + scotch 33+ is must have here

 

I'm still getting temperatures from 90 to 97 even with -130 undervolt. I used -80 before but -130 seems to work on both cpu and cache. Just tested with Bf5 max details, ray tracing and 60fps limit and the cpu just can't keep cool.

It can keep up it's speed little better though. This is really frustrating and I'm somewhat disappointed with this laptop. What's your GPU? I have RTX2080 which apparently runs bit hotter.

 

Did u repast it? It reduces some 10ºC if u do, and do some limited turbo, go to 3.8GHz max, it will help u reduce like a few more ºC.

Having CPU ate fullstress at 88ºC is more then normal... more then 91ºC is not that great. Most ASUS are running it at 92-94ºC-

I recomend to repast it, Im trying to figure out how to change the thermal pads!

U can consider this:
Thermal Pad Coollaboratory

 

I have the 2080. Its the GE63 though. May be different. maybe i just had a good lottery roll with the cpu. But i didnt do so well with the backlight bleed.

 

Ours (used in my review video) shipped with a single DDR4 2666MHz CL19 stick. I threw in what I had handy- a DDR4 2800MHz CL18 stick and it ran in dual channel mode just fine (Viper stick supporting SPD Plug n' Play). CL is less important when it comes to dual channel. Speed will match to the lowest speed DIMM.

 

Having matching sticks of RAM is not important at all like it used to be. The way it works now is that the system will run the RAM at whatever the speed and CL of the slowest stick is. For Example lets say you have one stick at 2800MHz and CL 15 and the other stick is 2400MHz and CL 18. The system will run both sticks at the 2400MHz speed and CL 18.

 

Good to hear that.
I order a stick of 16GB to add of the already 2666MHz (same speed) but lower CL (its CL18) anyways, was the cheapest i could get.

Im glad that I can run it a dual channel!

Thanks for the reply

Got it. Its great to hear that
Pre-order mine today, should arrive in 2 days, gona make a video of tear down (repaste it...) not sure what to repaste (Grizzly or Maker Nano...) and if the thermal pads...

Anyways, gona do alots of gaming benchs and so one, but 1rst, need the laptop, then upgrade, repaste ...

BTW can I have better perfomance using BIOS hidding settings and how to I acess it? Step by step to improve temps, I only need stable temps in order to play without throttle.

Thanks for the reply

 

Looks like MSI's quality control failed in my GE63. Their support said 90-100c temperatures I've been experiencing even with -130 undervolt in normal gaming are 'normal'. But it looks like even other stock versions seem to run cooler than mine.

When I raise the laptop with a book and set maximum turbo to 34x, which is the most it can constantly use with 45W voltage, it's not too loud and temperatures seem to keep in check, but I can see the performance difference in more demanding games.

While this is likely the last laptop I'll buy from MSI I'm thinking of repasting the thing and changing the thermal pads to see if it can be made more usable and hopefully more quiet, even if it may void the warranty. I've been checking some guides and theoretically know how to do it. I already know opening the thing is much more difficult than any other laptop I've had but that I can manage.

Won't go for liquid metal though because I don't trust my abilities enough to avoid destroying the motherboard by accidentally spilling conductive material on it. Maybe Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut with Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad 8's? Or any other recommendations?

There was one video just above to show how to do it on another laptop, but I'd like to see how it's done on GE75 (or something more like it) before trying anything. Basically unscrew the heatsink, lift it, clean existing paste (if there is any which I've started to doubt), apply new paste conservatively and not too much and screw the thing back together? Do I have to remove any wirings? GE63 seems to have identical internals to GE75 with RTX2080 with that extra heat pipe over memory sick.

If someone has repasted theirs (and/or changed the thermal pads) on GE75 or 63 can you tell of your experience (more details the better)?

 

Well I can do a video soon changing the thermals by repasting it with (Grizzly Kryonaut) and going to change the thermalpads too...

Repast is very easy and yes u are very unluckey! I had a GP73 with a GTX 1070 and I had same issue, had to turbo lock to max 3.7GHz with a 140 undervoltage, fixed for me but still... and I did repast it 2 or 3 times...

I have another choise, for about 50$ I can ask to apply liquid metal on both CPu and GPU.
Well I wouldnt do, since its too risky as u say!

Well I confirmed with the store and they gona apply a thermal repast of it for about 45€, so ye, I did "go ahead" since its the store and they are the only store in my country doing this stuff like delidded and so one... funny!

 

Can you guys please share what is the best undervolt setting are with throttlestop?

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I recommend this: - 140mv and turbo lock at 3.7GHz.
It will lower almost 10ºC on the CPU...

 

Is this both for the core and cache?

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I added -129.9 for both core and cache. Haven't tried 140 yet.

 

Just made order of Kryonaut thermal paste, ArctiClean's cleaning kit, antistatic wristband and Thermal Grizzly minus pad 8's. Don't know when I will have the courage to actually do the repasting, but at least I now have the option when the stuff arrives.

 

Yes.

 

Don´t be affraid. If it would be liquid metal I wouldn´t do it BUT since its normal past, its EASY to do!

I gona repast it with liquid metal BUT its made by the own store applying it so...

But alote ppl... says that Liquid Metal is not recomended, WHY? If its applied but professionals...

 

How do you lock turbo or cpu speed at a static value? mine always changes like 3.899 then 3.993 and up and down etc

 

Hello, I am looking at picking up a GE75 Raider w/ 2080, had a quick question for you current owners out there:

Does this support Gsync at all? Either on the internal display or an external? It was my understanding that most of the Max Q variants did not support g-sync because the display is routed through the IGPU first, and allowed optimus to save battery, but as far as I know this laptop does NOT allow optimus, and it's running a full 2080 so I thought it may support G sync. I don't see it in any of the marketing material so it probably doesn't, but wanted to check.

Also for current owners - are you seeing real life thermal throttling in games? I have an old MSI GS70 stealth that had a 980 in it and had trouble with throttling. I moved to a Gigabyte P37X and have been pretty happy with it (though it can get loud as it is thin). I see a lot of back and forth in here about the temps on the CPU especially and throttling occurring while benchmarking - is this happening in normal day to day games as well?

Thanks!

 

Use throttlestop, u can lock ur turbo speed there, put it on all 3.6 or 3.7GHz, he won´t go over it!
Makes a huge difference BUT I still recomend to repast it even if it takes u to a store.

I got just feedback from a friend with the RTX 2060 model, his GPU never goes over 70ºC but on the CPU site it reaches 91ºC... stock past and no undervoltage ofc.