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From the Time Spy scores I've seen floating around my GE75 already beats the GT75, until someone who knows what they are doing gets a hold of one lol. GS75, oof...MAXQ is doodoo.

 

What are you talking about Lunatik? The GT75 is already on near the 30K graphics score in firestrike. There is some catching up to do. But you have a PSU limit, so the GT will have the advantage there

I used to think similarly to you regarding Max Q, but one thing I do appreciate is that it runs considerably more efficient and lower power usage. I am happy with my current GTX1080 performance, that the 2080 max q doesn't bother me. Of course I would never claim I have a 2080 like marketing from nvidia would have it. My 2080 is cripple and will always be limited in comparison.

Just as the current GE series still has thermal and power limits that only GT can overcome

 

After reviewing the recent posts in the GT75 thread ok I was mistaken. However 29289 isnt 30k. I'm not really dissing the maxq, its all on form factor. If you want the slim with less performance that's a personal choice.

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18284911
So the GT75 2080 MXM has less than 1000 points on the GE75 in graphics. Less then expected imo. Not hating, just really happy how strong the GE75 2080 holds up . Fat bezels, two power bricks, very large footprint for 1000 points? Nah.

 

Yeah, that's why I said near 30k, not only 30k haha.

Yeah the Max Q is an nvidia created mess and they will suffer from it, but it does have its place. They should totally named them something else though. Considering the 2080MQ is more like a desktop RTX2060.

The GT is "only" 1k points higher, for now, but it does not have the same limits. The dual PSU will keep the 2080 and i9 happy as some insane users go put numbers too silly to fight back. But that has always been niche. When all is said and done, there will be an extra 20% or more performance at insane power requirements. It gets silly.

The GE75 is already strong, it's the baseline. Below is the GS, above is the GT. I am actually surprised that the 150w TDP seems to affect performance very little at least in benchmarks, compared to desktops with quite more TDP.

 

good to know what GE75 is capable of..

 

GE75 would take over immediately, if MSI gave it G-Sync. Hell I'd trade in my GT73 for one if it had it.

MSI is just charging too much for this series for it to lack that feature. $2000+ is a premium gaming line, G-Sync is mandatory, except in the thin and lights.

 

What I find *especially* galling is that there can be multiple variants with different wattage, clocks, and performance but under the same exact 20xx Max-Q model name with nothing to specify which.

 

But you don’t need g-sync at high frames.

 

Yes exactly there is no need for g-sync the screen can screen is at 144hz

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1. You aren't guaranteed to be maxing out the refresh rate in every game. Then your choice is to run v-sync or risk tearing. Or cap the framerate and lose the advantage of the HRF screen.

2. Time goes by. As games become more taxing, especially when the new consoles drop, framerates will tank. Again, you have to run v-sync or cap the framerate.

3. Whether you think you "need" it doesn't always matter. A premium product requires premium features to justify the price point. With a GTX 2080 this laptop costs between $2,799 and $2,999. Not having G-sync is inexcusable, whether you care about it or not. High end gaming laptops are like sports cars, some amenities have to be there just because.

It's a product line wide issue MSI has. They sent me this spreadsheet of their entire RTX lineup. Of 37 laptops, 7 have G-Sync. Look at the average price in there. The corporate decision that G-Sync is a GT series exclusive is madness.

 

Does GE75 use optimus? It would explain the lack of gsync, but I agree with Kevin that it should be there. I mean even now nvidia supports freesync... which is laptop gsync

Gsync also helps with frame variance, which is independent of the refreshrate, so even in 144hz it could be a bit of help in some cases.

Maybe for next gen GE75.

 

Yeah I agree. I find it VERY annoying that:

1) We have multiple versions of the same "GPU" with different TDP
2) The TDP of these max Q laptops is LOWER than previous Gen, artificially capping performance further.

I have no doubts that a 100w 2080 max q would have really showed what the new GPUs could do, but at such TDP, they couldn't put it in even smaller laptops, and thus couldnt gouge poor users into the evil scheme of max q.

 

With one day of testing I really like my GE63 Raider. All games I've tried work well in 4k with the exception of AC: Odyssey where I had to drop details too much for me. Using it's own 144hz display is ok, but to my eyes framerates seem bit uneven and I prefer 60hz in external tv-display.

I've been comparing it to my old 6700hq with GTX1070. When Raider is on basic 2.2ghz clock it's roughly equal (except multi-core which is bit faster). When it's allowed to adjust it's speed it's a lot faster of course but I don't like the fan noise. To me it looks like most important is the RTX2080 GPU as I have seen little performance difference in games regardless of core clock. It's also amazing to me how small and light the thing is after my last 5kg laptop.

Tomorrow I should get 2x16gb CL15 ram which I'll use to replace the original 2x8gb CL19 sticks, though I don't know if that'll make much difference in performance.

Bit scared of the upgrading process. I haven't opened my Raider yet and the heat pipe on top of another ram slot in toms hardware review looked scary. I wonder how the heat pipes are set in even smaller GE63.

 

Does anyone know what typically is entailed w/boosting your OS and if there are some how-tos out there?

Just pulled the trigger and ordered a GE75.

 

Maybe next gen GS75 too lol....gsync is not needed. Can easily hit 144fps and in the future can drop settings to continue. By then I will have sold my GE75 2080 and would probably have a GE75 3080 / 4080 or whatever anyway. People just trying to find anything wrong lol.

 

@Lunatik

144fps? Yeah in Quake 3 Arena maybe or CS.

Nobody buys +2000EUR machine to game on low setting in 1280x720p

And gaming on high/ultra with 2080 Ti even on normal PC in most new games does not come close to 144fps in 1920x1080p. Stop spreading BS please.

 

On laptops most games will not hit 144 fps, not necessarily only because of the gpu but also due to a weaker cpu compared to desktop counterparts.

@Jacol while I agree that having g-sync is a great bonus, it is not essential.

If laptop makers do indeed include g-sync on all their laptops, it will be certainly be great for everyone. Unfortunately most choose to either have g-sync or optimus and do not have an option for you to switch between the two.

But I trust it will be a feature in all laptops in the near future seeing that Intel will also be supporting adaptive sync. Like how high refresh rate panels became commonplace in the past few years.

 

As I stated, just review benchmarks regarding normal PC. High end CPU with 2080 Titanium mostly go around 100-110fps average in more than 12 games tested. So even less with notebooks.

Of course gsync is not needed, same as ssd's. You can game without it. But it should be certainly a standard at this price range and it adds a practical value and actual feature that's make users experience better.

 

That is why I was asking if GE used optimus, because optimus tech is not compatible with gsync for the time being. I doubt they would implement gsync on GS series as long as they keep using optimus, but who knows? Maybe in the future. It's not like we can't use external monitors anyways

 

The main advantage of gsync at such high framerates is the reduced input lag in comparison to regular sync technologies. As well as responding/feeling better against frame variance.

I agree that in this price range it should be standard thanks to the added value.

 

This is true but when you have a 144hz it shouldn't be a problem most of the modern games will not push over 144 fps anyway.

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Okay I just managed to update the RAM from 2x8gb CL19 to 2x16gb CL15 on GE63 Raider.

Opening the laptop was difficult because I just couldn't get the clips detached from the back. Succeeded at last but it took a alot of effort. Removing the existing RAM was even worse. I'm not very technologically inclined person so I was very scared I'd break the thing as in GE63 memory was under the heat pipe, just like it was shown to be in GE75 RTX2080 model. I first thought it was impossible to remove but finally I was able to slide the stick from under the heatpipe sideways. Adding new stick was slightly easier. I just put the screws back on and looks like my laptop still works but I really hope I don't have to do that again anytime soon.

Tested UserBenchmark before and after the memory update. Memory results went up across the board as excepted, CPU bit down (could be due to MSI center settings), GPU went up and I got the top result on the list where RTX2080 were compared (only 14 results there though). I don't know if GPU hike was due to memory upgrade or whatever, but I'd like to think so.

Before:
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/14690947

And after
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/14717733

 

Oh but frame variance or frametime is not related to going over the refresh rate, and input lag is introduced with any form of "sync" to refreshrate. It just so happens that gsync has the lowest input lag of available solutions (in particular if you run it just slightly less than max refresh, say 141fps) and frame variance will be felt as stutter despite holding the high fps.

It keep seeing "but at 144hz is not a problem" but I think they are misunderstanding some of the benefits of gsync, and not all of them is feeling smoother at low fps... this last part is precisely because of frame variance, when the frametime can be in sync between refresh and pushed fps, so you see each fps the moment it is pushed instead of a particular fixed rate.

there is a reason why high end gsync monitors are all high refresh rate. Hell, it might be "harder" to find gsync at low refresh nowadays.

 

As I wait for my GE75, I need to build a mid-range desktop. Do you guys have a favorite custom build house or do you just do it yourself? (back in my, I have time days, I might choose to do it my self)

 

I find a lot of fun assembling pcs so I always do it myself. An half to an hour is usually more than enough so it shouldn't be that hard to find time for it.

 

I do not really understand the steel series keyboard software. I just want to make my keyboard a solid blue with red WASD and space bar lol What do I need to do?

 

Well, Metro Exodus performance far exceeded my expectations!

Running everything maxed, RTX on, Advanced PhysX and Hairworks with a 2070 like it was nothing! Seeing 80C on my hottest core and 74C on GPU. My how times have changed.

 

Maxed as in extreme settings?

And what framerate was it running at?

 

Hey everyone!!!

I’m trying to decide which gaming laptop to get and I was hoping maybe you can help!
I am not a hardcore gamer (I only play adventure games) so I think that an rtx2060 is enough for a couple of years. I was only looking at alienware laptops (m15 & 15r4 both with i7 8750H/16GB/256+1TB/GTX 1060 6GB), but then msi introduced the rtx series (and to get an alienware with rtx card you need to sell one of your kidneys in my country), so I decided to get an msi!
I am not sure which model though. Ge75 8SE (2200€) or ge63 8SE(2150€)? And then you have the gs65 8SE (2400€) and the gs75 8SE (2500€) and they are so beautiful but veeery expensive
I’d like a laptop with a good display and nice vibrant colors since I’m going to use it as a desktop replacement and watch movies etc. I’d also like a laptop without a numpad (as the whole shift to the left feels weird to me) but I don’t want this to be my only reason for choosing gs65. I’m not sure whether I want 15.6” or 17.3”, as my previous laptop is a 14”, so anything will be an upgrade for me.
Last, the gs65 & gs75 come with only a 512 GB M.2 SSD, whereas ge63 comes with 256GB M.2 nvme SSD+1TB SATA3-7200rpm, and ge75 with 256GB M.2 SSD+1TB SATA3 5400rpm which I think is better (?)
So, yeah that’s all I think!
I am really sorry for the long post!!! Any comment is welcome, please share your thoughts with me about anything! Thank you!!

 

Is anyone planning on trying out Anthem, since we are getting the code? Let me know maybe we could play.

 

Take a look at the actual dimensions of both the GS65/75 and GE63/75.
You will find that the 15” laptops will probably be smaller than your 14”(unless it was a ultrathin)
Also I owned an alien 15r4 still have the soft case for it https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01LDIFNZ4/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_inactive_ship_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (this one) and my GE75 fits in it with extra room in the height.(basically if you took off the vents of an 15r4 you would have the exact size of the GE75 a 17” laptop!)

If you can I would recommend going with the 17” laptops because they can provide better cooling. Also if you plan to upgrade the ram or hard drive STAY AWAY from GS65 unless you are confident about taking a laptop fully apart and putting it back together.

With the GS75 they fixed most of the upgrade issues, so you don’t have to take apart the laptop unless you need replace both ram sticks, since one of them is behind the motherboard.

 

Hi there,

just bought the MSI GE75 with RTX 2070. Its a very nice Laptop, I'm very impressed. At first I installed another 8 GB of ram, a 1 TB ssd and I did a clean install of Win 10.

Unfortuanetly I have three problems after that:

- Now my steelseries RGB doesn't work. The RGB isn't lighting.
- I am not able to install the newest Nvidia Driver from Nvidia (Version 418). It says "System not supported?"
- Nahimic sound software doesn't work too.

May I ask for help?

 

Reinstall steelseries engine, should fix that.

The driver thing is a weird problem that happens due to the stock drivers MSI sends. Install GeForce Experience, then update through there, it will work.

For Nahimic drivers, update windows and it should just install the new realtek drivers. You can also download them through the microsoft store.

 

Yup, extreme.

I couldn’t tell you, I don’t have anything running to grab the rate. It’s smooth, and as it’s a single player game, that’s all I really care about.

 

I believe only the three SSD slots are easily accesible and upgrading any RAM sticks requires disassembly of the motherboard

 

Thank you.

Steelseries Engine doesnt work after new installation. Hmm no backlight for the keyboard

 

Check device manager for conflicts. Is there anything for RGB in bios?

 

Obvious question: Are you sure that you want or need RTX support? If you don't, there are probably good deals with 10-series GPUs, and there are persistent rumors of another GTX GPU to be positioned a bit lower than the RX 2060.

I'm not perfectly clear on what you mean by adventure games, as that might conceivably reference anything from fairly GPU-intensive action-RPGs ala "Witcher 3", to party-based RPGs, to VNs and RPGMaker-built games. If you're going to be playing at 4K, you might benefit from DLSS (my understanding is that Square Enix did flirt with supporting DLS for one of the Final Fantasy games, for instance), but *shrug*.

FWIW, between the GS...GE, I recently put in an order for a rather heavily loaded GE75. It's heavy for a 'modern' laptop, but my current laptop is a Clevo P750DM-G, which is also not exactly thin or light, either; and I'm not planning to be constantly dragging it to coffee shops -- I just need it to be not so ridiculous that bringing it with me would be a major burden on the occasions that, say, I'm catching a plane to meet family and feel like bringing my personal laptop along. The larger space compared to the GSes allows for better cooling as well, and better component temps should be good for longevity. However, unlike you, I did want a numpad, and both GE models do have that.

 

Got it. Steelseries works perfekt. I am so stupid. Just forgot to increase the backlight by pressing FN and - ...

 

Donotwant, thank you for your reply!


You are right, I measured my 14” laptop (a 2010 Vaio ) compared to ge75 height is the same, depth and width not even 2 cm difference! I care about portability in the sense that I want to be able to take it with me, but I don’t really care if it’s slim or really light (I was eyeing alienware 15r4 after all!).


I am definitely NOT confident about taking anything apart, or pasting cpu’s or everything you guys are doing (I so admire you and envy you!). Maybe I could try doing it to an old desktop but definitely not to a new expensive laptop!


I was thinking, let’s say that I have the money for a GS75 8SE, wouldn’t it be wiser to give the same amount of money for a GE75 8SF??

 

I've noticed another little problem..

I insered two of this ram sticks:
https://www.crucial.de/deu/de/ge75-raider-8sf/CT14230765

As shown on the website it should be work with the MSI GE75 8SF.

It does, but only with 2400 Mhz instead of 2666 Mhz... not a big deal, I know, but what can I do to get the full speed? In the bios I can't see any settings for ram

 

Hey Lurker Below!


No, I don’t “need” RTX. My line of thinking goes something like this: RTX=new line of GPUs=better chance to play games on the specific machine for ~3-4 years. I’m thinking that a new machine with a new GPU is better than for example the alienware 15r4 with the same specs but with a GTX1060 that I was about to buy 2 months ago (at the same price as GE75 8SE). Please correct me if you believe my thinking is wrong, as I’m definitely not as tech-savvy as all of you in here!!


By adventure games I mean “classic” adventure games as in point&click or maaybe action/adventure... No RPGs or FPSs (up till now at least). I do have a soft spot for Lara though...


I don’t really need it to be super thin, as long as I can carry it around occassionally.

 

If you buy from a custom authorized seller, the HD issue will just be matter of how much you want to spend on a upgrade. If coming from a 14", I'm not sure jumping to 17" would be necessary. I play POE(2) and Divinity Orig Sin (2) on a 15" haswell/870m w/out too much issue. I think most of the 17" I've seen have had a full keyboard (meaning numpad). Does battery life matter? GS series would likely have the best battery life. Also, I'd strongly suggest sticking w/SSDs only in a laptop. Just one less moving part in the case (plus the performance)
.

 

That was my exact dilemma between GS75 and GE75. Ultimately I went with the GE75 because that’s a full 2070 and it’s $100 cheaper! While the GS75 only had a Max-q. Also with the GE75 being slightly bigger means it should have better cooling then the GS75.

The designs of the stealth line is amazing though, they are super sleek, look very professional and don’t scream gamer. I have used the 2018 GS65 and it was really nice (though it had a ground issue and would actually shock me up to 3 times in 30min, that’s why I got rid of it).

Ps: you don’t have to repaste yourself, there are several sellers that will do it for you for like $90 and it’s all under manufactures warranty if they do it. (GenTechPC is currently doing it for free)

 

Seems reasonable to me, if you're considering e.g. the modern Tomb Raider games or similar. e.g. "Shadow of the Tomb Raider" recommends a 1060, and has some RTX options that can be enabled. 3-4 years down the line, hardware expectations will be higher. If I compare with, say, "Flower", well, that one only recommends a 750Ti. "Subnautica: Below Zero" recommends a @ 1050 Ti.

A point in favor of the more full-size ones, then; they tend to have better heat management, and can be designed so as to be more easily maintainable in terms of access to parts, fewer parts soldered/glued instead of socketed, etc. Thin and light has its drawbacks, so if you don't care about the advantages of being thin and light it's reasonable to not go there.

 

I've had my GE63 with RTX2080 for few days and started to do something else than benchmarking (ie. actually gaming with it). Still bit concerned over the temperatures which peak very high during gaming and at worst the laptop sounds like a Stuka attack plane. Bought noise cancelling headphones because of it. I've also figured out how throttling and the turbo works I think (at first I thought throttling is when fans kick off, not the variation of clock speed due to CPU load or temperature).

Looks like there is very little thermal throttling. When I did stress testing with CPU-Z and it used all cores at 100% it didn't matter what the temperature was, the speed went down to 3093Mhz after a while even when I reduced max turbo multiplier to 32 with throttlestop and temperatures weren't that high, it still dipped to 31xmultiplier just like it did with full turbo.

With games the CPU heat seems to increase more even if the processor isn't fully utilized. 3093Mhz is the lowest it goes for me without undervolting. AC Odyssey is the game I've been playing and it seems to be the most taxing game I've tried. I logged about one hour of gametime with CoreTemp, 1080p 60hz tv all details at full (comfort mode, full turbo) and one core had peaked at 99c, others were 95-98c at their hottest. This likely happens in Athens which is pretty demanding when you observe the city from above. Even in 1080p there were occasional slight stutters on more demanding places in 60hz. Those heat peaks were the exception though and on average it looked like temperature had stayed below 90c which isn't too bad I guess with this CPU with stock pasting?

I had also elevated the laptop with pair of books which likely cooled the machine by couple of degrees. Cores were 3891Mhz in wilderness, in cities they dipped to 3592Mhz and bit lower occasionally and at one time all cores were at 100% and speed had gone to 3093Mhz (Athens?) as they were in pure CPU stress testing.

When I set up the multiplier to 30x for all cores the machine stayed more quiet and cool (mostly below 80c in Odyssey) and there were no dips in clock speed according to CoreTemp. 30xturbo multiplier seems pretty stable overall but in Odyssey full turbo gives the best experience because it's just that demanding in large cities even in 1080p and 60hz.

I've read that many have repasted their laptops, are my experiences in line with stock models or is my Raider too hot? Especially interested in experiences with GE63 with 2080 as I believe it runs bit hotter due to smaller size.

 

the problem is this:

Crucial Ballistix Sport LT DDR4 SODIMMs
Product highlights

• Speeds start at 2400 MT/s
• Faster speeds and responsiveness than standard Crucial DDR4 memory
• Increased performance and frame rates for systems with integrated graphics
• Ideal for gamers and performance enthusiasts
• Black PCB design with digital camo features
• Easy plug-and-play installation
• Intel© XMP 2.0 profiles for easy configuration
• Optimized for the latest Intel processors
• Limited lifetime warranty

 

Some benchmarks from my GE63.

AC Odyssey
1080p maxed, AA full: 66fps
4k, maxed, no AA: 39fps

4k Rise of the Tomb Raider DX12, very high, FXAA: 54.95
4k but without AA: 58.2

Geekbench
multi 23254
single 5056

Timespy 9009
Fire strike 19512

 

Hmm thanks. On the packaging and sticker stands 2666 MT/s.

Does that mean I can overclock this to maximum speed? Where could I do this?

Is there a difference between this one with 2400 MT and CL 16 and another with 2666 MT and CL 19?

 

You are able to overclock the ssd?

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