*** The Official 2019 MSI GS65 Stealth with RTX GPUs Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

You know that’s the same drive I have and I also tried swapping them around to see if any issues and it happened just as you described. I wonder if the issue is with this particular drive or with the motherboard trying to run two NVMe’s at the same time

 

Could it be due to driver issues? Have you guys tried installing the SSD's driver manually?

If not it could be a bios issue.

 

Hmmmm I did not know you had to install drivers manually, I will definitely look into this once it boots up again

 

Well, normally you don't. But this is Windows 10 we're talking about lol.

Can't tell you how many times Windows 10 has installed a "newer" driver that resulted in the device not working at all.

 

Hey guys. After trialing one for a bit, I'm really tempted to pick up a GS65 but I've got some questions.

Anyone know how the 2080 Max Q compares to the 1080 in the Alienware 17 R5?

I'd like to pick one up with the fixin's (liquid metal, 32GB of RAM, etc) and have heard great things about HID on here but GT seems to be CONSIDERABLY cheaper, with free LM, free dead pixel guarantees, free extra year of warranty, cheaper 2666mhz RAM...

Only thing I'm curious about is their LM solution, since I know HIDevolution claims a "foolproof", "proprietary" method to keep it from shorting out the components over time.

Anyone have any experiences with either?

ALSO - I don't mind 1080p, but is it just me or is the 144hz panel kinda laggy? It's rated for 7ms (notebookcheck rates it even higher) and it feels like my aim in Overwatch is a lot worse than the 3ms 120hz Alienware panel...

 

That's crazy. Maybe I should start

Wow I was gonna get a Crucial MX500 ( sata) but maybe I should stay away from that brand lol.

 

I didn't know either but I could give it a try.

 

I’ve always had a good experience with crucial and I would lean to the side of the machine needs a bios update to properly support dual NVMe’s I once had a Xiaomi that had a similar problem and it was fixed with a bios update. That being said, I’d be interested to know if anyone has dual NVMe’s in their new GS65 (specifically the 2060 version) and if so what brand

 

It’s in the manual.
https://us.msi.com/product/support_sku/15038#down-manual

Slot 1 is combo, slot 2 is NVME only.


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Here’s an interesting article guys.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Not-c...er-than-the-Gigabyte-Aero-15-X9.406211.0.html

Finally, we see a 80w variant vs a 90w variant. Just need to find out which vendors have which variant. Hopefully, we can cross-share vbios on the forums


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Quick question to anyone with GS65 + RTX2060: can you post the GPU-Z screen?

 

This forum is filled with happy customers from several resellers. Those resellers also participate in this community and will help you out with whatever you need.

I think most resellers now offer LM as an option. I am sure it always costs extra to apply, but gentech's is most likely a promotion for the time being. The "propietary method" is mainly marketing (the wording), but they do put, lets say, a "shield" to avoid LM to overspill in case you put too much. This extra step is, in my opinion, very recommended for normal users that are trying to apply LM themselves, because it gives a small window of security from overspill, but in the hands of resellers, it's just unnecessary as they already know how to apply, and instead it becomes something they can give the user peace of mind. It adds nothing, they already know how to properly apply it

The RAM it is a very good idea that you order 32GB from the get go to use dual channel and avoid future hassle of opening up the laptop. If you plan on keep the laptop a long time and don't intend to repaste over and over, you can also opt for another paste other than LM. It will not be the best performance but still give you excellent thermals and might be longer lasting.

 

I just pulled the trigger on the RTX 2080 one.

I was wavering because it can't do charging via usb-c, but then figured all other gaming laptops are the same.

Let's see how it goes, hopefully I don't have to do a repaste.

 

You will most likely have to repaste. Even with the improved cooling, the 8750H still hits thermal throttling.
With my LM repaste, I hit 85c on autofan during my benching which didn’t cause thermal throttling.


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As JRey suggested, it is best to repaste. But at the very least undervolting should help.

Why would you want USB-C charge? that is very limited. what was the upper cap, 100W? USBC charging is for low power devices.

 

I’m hoping they improve usb C charging it would be freaking awesome to plug in 1 cable and be done lol.
But technology hasn’t gotten there yet.


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Your review posted a firestrike score of 16k. Seems low against the benchmarks here no? Your Timespy score looks in line though.

 

That’s my overall score, It’s like 16.9k. Graphics is 19.6k


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Sure it won't fully charge but it can trickle charge, and on a long haul flight, that's the difference between getting 1-2hrs on battery and being able to last the entire flight. Your 100W+ chargers aren't going to work on a plane remember.

My XPS15 can do usb-c PD charging, despite needing 135W from its supplied power adapter.

 

You bring up a good point and honestly, I’d like that too.
I will say though that, after undervolting and other tweaks, I can get up to 10 hours of battery just doing productivity with very minimal web surfing.
I just went through business travel and had no issues with charging on the plane.


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Ah right, nice!

 

It's mostly a physical limit. You can't supply more power over the thin wires that normal USB-C cables use. If they did make and use special beefed up USBC cables and port, you could charge more. But then users would plug their phone cables and watch it melt away.

In the future, we would need sufficiently low power efficient machines that still give acceptable performance before jumping into single cable use. For now it's a step in the right direction, lets see what happens in 20 years

You can use them as long as you don't game. The PSU doesn't pull 180 or 230w when you connect them, if all you are doing at light tasks, you will only use a fraction of your PSU. You can even buy a lower 120w or 90W same connector/polarity PSU and charge your laptop. It just won't be able to game at full performance at all.

I can understand the trickle charge, and even in light tasts 100w would be more than enough to charge the battery while using it. I suppose there is no harm in actually supporting it.

 

So actually after looking into this it seems that this may be related to the P1 being a QLC type of drive which is apparently a newer memory controller for NVMe (if I understood what I read correctly) which may be what is causing these issues. I opted to return the drive and instead go for a 1tb WD Blue m.2 standard SSD for the same reason as you. Honestly as a storage drive I don't need the NVMe speed and would rather just have the larger capacity. Plus WD is a pretty reputable brand and I've always had good luck with their drives as well.

 

It looks like Razer is using a 90w variant of the 2070 Max-Q.
For anyone that has a GS65 with a 2070 Max-Q, please check GPU-Z for your base clock.

885 base is a 80w

1080 base is a 90w

I also found a guy with a Razer Blade and a 2080 Max-Q. He’s gonna check to see what his base clock is. If he has a 90w 2080, I’ll get a bios dump and flash my laptop to see if it works. *Fingers crossed*


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I have a 1TB EX920 nvme drive, not as new as P1, I hope I don't run into any issues.

You shouldn't have problems with the WD sata one, I have one for my Lenovo P1 and works fine no issues at all. Obviously it is not as fast because its a sata but its good enough. We use it for reliability, along with Samsung.

Excellent! The results will be very very interesting. Hopefully it will work!

 

Stupid question, but do we know if the GS65 2080 Max-Q is 80 or 90w?

 

It is a 80w based on base clocks speeds.


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Yeah I think the speed difference in practice will be negligible as I mostly store documents, games, and photos/videos on that drive. However I may end up later down the line getting a better NVMe as a boot drive than the one it shipped with

 

The supplied PSUs indeed doesn't pull 100W+ when you use them for light tasks but something does trigger the power sockets on the plane to cut power when you first plug it in (there's something built in to the PSU that gives it away that it can pull a lot of power). I've tested this (using my XPS 135W PSU), a few of the newer planes allow it to work but most don't -the socket stops working the moment you plug it in.

 

Using a smaller adapter also doesn't seem to be an option as it may overheat and blow due to the laptop trying to pull too much power from the adapter.

 

Its the inrush current built in to most power supplies. It can be prevented if the breakers on planes can handle X amount of inrush current for a fraction of a second. So it is best to use a lower power supply indeed.

Nah, you can easily limit the power you use with several settings. I have charged 1070 equipped laptops from friends that use the 240w adapter, with a 120w old adapter I have. They used the laptop only for light browsing and office work while the real PSU arrived for a couple of weeks. Obviously if you tried to game on it, the PSU would trip and shutdown. I have "killed" some PSUs with heavy overclocking.

It happened a lot with my GT80 with SLI 980m and single 330w PSU. I flashed Prema mod for the gpus, and then overvolted and heavily overclocked them, resulting in my PSU shutting down and my laptop as well since the battery can't handle the strain.

 

Thanks

 

Is the power input socket on the laptop a universal standard? Curious to what that is.

 

I don't believe the reviewed laptops are this particular model. But they are both MSI laptops. gtx 1060 vs RTX 2060, without ray tracing on... Thought it might be helpful

 

Thanks!

 

Hey,

Do you know if anyone has been doing any test on the tensor cores and CUDA cores ?

I'm doing some ML research (and gaming) and while I'm not impressed by the GPU performances over last generation performances, I was wondering if the RTX ability to use tensors could make me spend the extra money

Have a nice day

 

I'm hoping the tensor cores will enable faster computation with FP16(?). Not sure how to code specifically for it or if tensorflow/pytorch automatically handle it.
I do have a quad 2080Ti at office and that definitely runs a lot faster than the 1080s with the same code.

 

Yeah, I was wondering how much of a difference it does on these mobiles.

I'm strongly considering a 2060, 2070MQ or 2080MQ, just wondering how much it would help.
2070MQ seems like a good compromise because at least you get 8Gb (so larger models), but at the same time, I'm not sure how much better it would perform (seems even less efficient at least for gaming)

 

Well, the sheer ability to hold larger batch sizes is a plus point. But I think its all diminishing returns to be honest. I doubt a Max Q is capable of sustaining Deep Learning Loads. I might be wrong though.

Personally, I'm more inclined towards the 2060. Seems like a better value overall.

Also, lets be honest here. If your model is not fitting within 6 gb, you'll have a hard time training it in a notebook gpu in terms of sheer epoch timings.

 

The Battlefield V DLSS patch is coming today.
I’ll be testing it out tonight and I’ll let you lnow


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Another just-getting-back-up-to-speed question. When I try to install Nvidia's RTX-for-notebooks 418.81 drivers, the installer fails and says I don't have a supported GPU (RTX 2080 Max Q). I'm assuming that's some Nvidia installer wrapper compatibility fail, but that I could force-install the driver by going into device manager and pointing to the INF?

I'm guessing there's some sort of approvals process happening behind the scenes with the brands, i.e. MSI has to bless the drivers before uploading them to their support site for the Stealth 8SG?

Sorry for my ignorance, just curious what the rationale is. Something proprietary to each laptop build?

 

quick question with DLSS, can that be enabled without RTX? To me this option may be preferably down the line as it could provide extra longevity for the GPU

 

I am not sure what the process is, but it's not exactly having MSI's blessing. All new laptop products face this situation even when the GPU has been out in other models/manufacturers. It should go away sooner, usually around 1 month or so, before updates work as intended.

Nvidia probably has to approve all hardware manufacturers and GPUs, and the combination of both is probably checked against the driver and if it isn't listed, it fails installation. Probably just adding some lines to a txt haha.

It should be possible to use DLSS without raytracing or other functions, as they use different cores.

 

That's helpful, thanks! So updating around the installer isn't asking for any special kind of compatibility pain. I ask only because I think it was @JRey who was having some issues with the latest drivers, running GeForce Experience and such.

 

I've read several users with new RTX laptops all having issues with new drivers. they ended up using DCH drivers with the Control Panel from the windows store. We will see how easy it is to update drivers in a month, should be normal by then.

 

I just grabbed '418.81-notebook-win10-64bit-international-dch-whql' from Nvidia. Installed without a hitch, and GeForce Experience (3.17.0.126) installed and appears to running AOK so far.

 

Hey all. I hope this is the right place to post this message. I have been reading this lounge thread and see a lot of people struggling with tuning the GS65 to get optimal temps and such. I have mine on order currently (GS65 with 2080) and when it arrives, I want to tune it up. HIDevolution is putting all the liquid metal and fuji poly on the system (I am afraid I would mess it up), so that part will be done. When I get it, what steps should I go through next to fine tune it? Is there a guide somewhere?

Also, I see a lot of posts regarding undervolting and it seems to be a lot of trial an error. I don't suppose there is a utility which you can leave overnight that automatically steps through different undervolt settings and tests it to optimize the thermals given your ambient temperature? (wishful thinking perhaps?)

 

Amazing I'm going to have to try this again as I could not get it to work at all for me

 

The only other tweak left is to undervolt. The best would be to set the IA DC Loadline to 1 (or 5) on the hidden BIOS menu. There are guides here to perform those steps, but anything perform via the hidden menu is always at your own risk. The "easy" way would be via throttlestop and manually undervolting up to a stable level.

That way you will have lower temps.

The final tweak is up to you, which is raising the TDP limit via BIOS and tricking the TDP reading into reading less. This would ensure you can turbo boost indefinitely.