*** The Official 2019 MSI GS65 Stealth with RTX GPUs Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

Thanks ry! I am not sure yet if I need to turbo boost.

I am actually OK with not being at ultra resolution on my games, but what irks me to no end is throttling and low FPS where I get stuttering. As long as I can get that (and about 40-60fps) consistently, I will be just fine. I am not streamer or an avid gamer, but I do like to play at times. Just want a smooth experience.

I assume that by tweaking the TDP limit, that also increases the temps while gaming, Correct?

 

It is possible, yes, so considering your use, I would recommend only to perform undervolt and then leave TDP control as is. It will "throttle" in the sense that after 28 seconds of turbo boosting, the CPU will drop down to 45W max draw.

And this only happens when a game really pushes your CPU beyond the 45W TDP, so you don't need to worry for most games.

 

Great! Thanks for your assistance.

If there is interest, I will post my findings when It comes in. FWIW: The games I play are Witcher3, Grim Dawn, For Honor, Dark Souls and Assassins Creed.

If I get to a point where I have to go the TDP route, I at least know where to go.

Great forum!

 

The great advantage of this forum is that we are all laptop/desktop users trying to get the most out of our systems. In several other forums, there is a prevalent negative attitude towards laptops, and most of they time they dismiss user's pleas because "you have a laptop, of course it overheats!" and never provide help.

For some desktop-only users, the fact that we overclock, TDP mod and push our systems could be mind blowing and might dismiss us as insane people for doing that.

 

I left the desktop bandwagon long long time ago. I have been a consultant for the last 25 years and having a desktop was never feasible. I will say that only more recently does it seem that laptops are sufficiently powered.

I remember even buying Sager laptop years ago (around 2003) because it was the only thing that was fast enough and had enough storage and memory for the kinds of systems I work with (data analytics). It had two hard drives and I think a massive 2GB of ram. Unheard of at the time. It even had a (laughable) mp3 player that would eject out of the body of the laptop. This was when ipod was just barely arriving on the scene. Funny to look back on it. Funnier, though, that I still have it. LOL

 

HI everyone...Im looking for some advice....I am in the US right now and i come and go a few times a year...I currently own a MSI gs63VR 6RF with a 500gb 970EVO a 1TB 2.5" SSD/16gb/1060Non max-q/6700HQ I have swapped the panel for a 120Hz one...its in great condition as i only use it for gaming every once in a while...i have and EGPU enclosure on the way and a 1080 AMped edition from my old desktop waiting on it....I got the EGPU for 150 so i figured why not try it out...havent upgraded desktop in a while rocking a 4700k..so My question is I can get an RTX 2060 GS65 at best buy for 2k or i can just wait it out and see if prices drop a bit....I just want to know if the upgrade is worth it...as for me 2k is a bit of cash and i need to be ure ots worth the upgrade..i can sell the gs63vr back home but it ownt fetch naything more than say 800 or less ..Id like your thoughts on if its worth the upgrade..i aslo thought about getting a rtx 2070 and sticking it in th egpu and staying as is for a while longer...im not much into updating my desktop right now as id just rather save up for a new laptop instead or just go all out right now and splurge for it...is it and wirthwhile upgrade??? BTW i can play BfV on high to ultra settings DX12 butter smooth on 1080p but who knows how lng that will last...thanks!!

 

With all of that stuff in play around your old system - no. 1060 to 2060 is what 15-30% (I don't know offhand) - and you'd be paying $2K there only to sell your laptop for what, $1K? Your call. If you really have the upgrade itch - go for it. Otherwise the 1060 is great and you're probably better served waiting until your trip next year (or later this year when the CPUs refresh) for a bigger boost in performance.

 

Thank you so very much for this I think u might be right and I should Wright to get an rtx paired with probably next gen 8 core cpus..

 

Unless that 1060 is sitting in a Surface Book 2 (which is what I am coming from).

The SB2 is so locked down, you can't open it up and put thermal compounds on it, switch out the RAM or SSDs, nor can you adjust fan speed and other such things. A stock locked down 1060 vs a customizable 2060 to me was worth the upgrade (although I think I will miss the touch screen and to a lesser extent, the tablet separation).

Once I get the new laptop, we will see what gains I actually get between the two machines.

 

So. Interestingly, Battlefield V doesn’t have DLSS and RT on with 2080 and 2080ti.
But...
On my 2080 Max-Q, I can enable it.
Anyway...
On the 2nd War Story mission, you start in this rainy area down a hill. From that spot with the old driver, I was getting 46FPS with Ray Tracing on.
With the new patch, DLSS on and ray tracing on, , I’m now getting 52FPS.
I didn’t move the mouse, I’m staring at the same spot. So it seems DLSS is a 10% improvement at 1080p with ray tracing on.

I’ll do more testing later tonight.

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Also, drivers are slowly maturing.
Here’s some benchmarks for Shadow of the Tomb Raider

2080 Max-Q stock clocks. Highest preset, SMAA

Stock 417.49 - 88FPS
418.81 - 94FPS
419.91 - 96 FPS


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Hey guys I wanted to talk real quick about battery life, now I don't expect to get the full advertised 8 hours, but I'm barely breaking 4 hrs with my throttle stop tweak disabling turbo on battery, limiting windows aero features, and only watching video and light browsing. interestingly enough this also happened to me on my old razer blade 15, but the only things I have running in the background are afterburner, F.lux, throttlestop and silent option.

 

Turn off afterburner. It’ll keep the dGPU in which will suck battery life.
You can tell if it’s on by the amber light next to the power button. If it’s white, you’re using the iGPU.


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Oh **** I didn’t know that. So I disabled afterburner but the amber light is still on

 

I would disable afterburner from starting up when windows starts and reset the comp. I only turn it on when I’m gaming and need the extra FPS. For the most part, I’m on stock clocks because performance has been incredible so far.

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That is interesting. I thought it would literally double the FPS like NVIDIA advertised. I'm guessing the way it works is that the tensor cores are directly going to upscale the image using the model developed for DLSS by NVIDIA. Therefore, going by that logic, it may be right to conclude that for the purposes of DLSS only, a specific number of tensor cores would be enough for 1080p and so on. So, if you have a 1080p screen and more tensor cores than needed at 1080p, then it is essentially useless unless you are into Deep Learning. It'll be great to see if the RTX 2060 gives the exact number of FPS gain at 1080p.

This is good to see! I'm hoping the drivers improve the performance soon. I think I'll purchase the 2060 model this week. It's hard to use a laptop that has a 750M :|

Also, does anyone know how good HyperX Fury rams are? I need 32GB ram and the dealer here suggested to go for the HyperX Impact 2666MHz CL15 rams.

 

The main advantage of DLSS is running higher native res while performing a reconstruction upscale. Meaning that if you run at 4K, using DLSS you are actually rendering at lower res and then having a final image similar as to 4K.

In this sense, using DLSS in 1080p will yield the least improvements as you are already on the upper limit for performance and framerate for the GPU, not stressed by memory bandwidth. If you have an external monitor with higher res, you should see a sizable upgrade in performance.

Hyper X furies are fine, and CL15 is good.

 

Good god, I had so many spelling mistakes here, but they’re fixed now.
Anyway, I happen to have a 4K TV at home. I’ll run tests with and without DLSS and Ray Tracing to see what the 2080 Max-Q can deliver.


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I figured it would actually render at 540p and then upscale to 1080p? Or would that be an incorrect assumption?

 

It's not an incorrect assumption, I honestly don't know how low it renders. But at such a low res, its probably in the realm of CPU limits, and also TDP limits for the GPU.

I will test it with 4K once I get mine. DLSS is the only thing I am actually interested in the RTX features haha.

 

This what I'm curious about too as well, what is the base resolution it's upscaling from for 1080p? And is there anyway to control this i.e. Maybe I could select it to start at a base of 480p as opposed to 540p

 

Do we know if the Best Buy version of the GS65 (they have the 2060) has a SATA or PCIE SSD?

The product page does say PCIE but I was curious if anyone purchased Best Buy and can confirm. The 2018 model had a SATA drive.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-15...with-gold-diamond-cut/6321439.p?skuId=6321439

 

Due to the price of the laptop and the price of the device, it might very well be a SATA one.

 

I bought a bestbuy one and it was in fact a PCIe SSD, I confirmed when I examined it through acronis and it showed it was NVMe as well. However the kingston drive it ships with doesn't seem to have the normal end of an NVMe drive, but it does in fact work in the NVMe only slot on the motherboard in the computer. The Best Buy version has one other distinct difference in that the wifi adapter isn't killer wireless and is instead an intel wifi card

 

I have the best buy version coming as well shortly, I was curious on the drive. One of the guys in the questions section does a good job of answering the differences. The BB model seems like the best way to go for the 2060 > $1999 vs $2099, with a 512gb SSD vs 256gb, I can live w ith 256gb but would want to upgrade a 256gb, so that's more money. It sounds like intel vs killer is basically the same hardware, more different on the driver level. The bb model does come with Windows 10 Home instead of Pro > I do prefer pro, but I have a lot of old Windows 7/8 pro keys around, and you can go into a activation and add an old key and it will upgrade

 

I have the BB 2060 and this is the Drive installed.

 

I got mine from best buy today > same drive, a respectable 1600mbs read, 1000mbs write for the Kingston drive in the old crystaldiskmark 5.5

 

Hey MSI guys, can you tell me if the 2070 Max-Q in the msi gs65 or gs75 is the 80W or 90W variant. Or if you know the boost and base clock of his gpu?

Thanks, I'm looking for a vbios of a laptop with the 90W 2070 MQ vbios with displayport 1.3

 

The Best Buy model (@ $2k), like last year, is the best bang/buck by far. Just check temps ASAP and exchange it if you're experiencing significant issues there (i.e. regularly over 90). Factory paste jobs are hit and miss.

 

Urgh, just confirmed with a local retailer that the GS65 with 2080 max-q will not be hitting my country. They'll only go up to 2070 Max-q.

So goddamn frustrating. :/

 

How difficult is it to import from another country? I know resellers here often ship worldwide.

 

Not hard to import from other countries, just pricier ($100 shipping minimum + 10-20% tax) but the main issue are RMAs. Which is why I stick to local retailers.

Looks like I'll be getting the GS75 like you then

 

alright man, and we will unleash the full power of the GS series!

 

Does anyone know if the Bestbuy model of this laptop has dual channel memory or just a single stick of 16GB RAM? Just curious because i know to upgrade RAM on this model is a PIA due to the Mobo placement in the chassis

 

A single stick of 16gb ddr4-2666 kingston memory in mine, I think they're all that way > the specs attached

 

Ah that is a bummer figured they would have went dual channel 8GB sticks to get better performance.

 

Since these machines only have 2 slots, I imagine their idea was to ship with a single stick so the user can upgrade to 32GB easily, plus a single 16GB in large volume (all their laptops) was probably the cheapest choice.

If shipped with 8x2, it would have cost more to upgrade to 32GB.

At least that's what I think. Because I am totally going to get 32 GB one way or another!

 

I've got the 2080 GS65 and was going to look at tweaking using afterburner. I dont seem to be able to unlock the voltage or power limits. Can anyone confirm that is not user error? Guessing the power limit/voltage is locked to the GPU bios?

So far, I've gotten +10 on core/mem stable as is.

Thanks!

 

I think power and voltage limits have always been locked on laptops.

Nevertheless, you should be able to get about +100 on the core and +500 on the memory, higher if you're lucky.

 

Check with custom retailers (HIDEvolution, Gentech, etc.) - they may be able to provide warranty service. Won't be cheap...but yeah, probably better to go with GS75 if that's readily available.

 

Random question, has the material on the GS65 improved over last gen?

 

Material, do you mean the build quality? Users of the new GS65 report that it has increased rigidity over the previous version. There is still a bit of flex but less than before, so in general yeah there was improvement.

 

Ya I meant build quality, I remember almost every reviewer calling out the last version having too much flex.

 

2080 Max-Q - 80w vs 90w

https://www.theeverydayenthusiast.com/home/comparison-80w-vs-90w-2080-max-q

 

Awesome read, thanks for this.


Guys PLEASE backup your BIOS before flashing.

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Thanks!

I made a FAT disclaimer and reminder in the nvflash folder lol.

 

@JRey

Just to confirm, you are using 32gb ram on dual channel right?

 

Correct.


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Anyone been able to get the Nvidia drivers upgraded?

Geforce experience doesnt even see the 2060. Rather upsetting

 

BAD NEWS:
I got the laptop (new GS65 with RTX 2080 Max-Q, 2x 8GB RAM, 2x M.2 NVMe SSD - 500GB each) several hours ago. Everything was running fine - Windows 10 updates, NVIDIA drivers, the whole nine yards. Restarted a few times for updates. I shut it down for 4-5 hours when I left home, came back - used it for 2 hours or so, no issues...

But then, as I was browsing the internet (this very forum - I might add!), I got the Microsoft blue screen saying Windows encountered an error and needs to restart / collecting information, etc.

After the restart, it got stuck on the MSI logo screen. I tried to hit F3, but no response. After waiting several minutes I shut down and powered it on again. Same thing. I waited 10 minutes but it was still on the MSI screen. I shut down again, now when I power it on I see the power light, but nothing else, not even the screen is powering on.

I called MSI tech support, they told how to reset the device using the reset pinhole switch in the back of the laptop. No luck. They said to call GentechPC since it's possibly a hardware issue (and it's inside the 30 days windows since purchase, so I need to ship it back to the seller). Does anyone here have any idea how to troubleshoot this further? I couldn't get a hold of Gentech, as it's past 6pm California time. I won't be able to get a hold of them until Monday.

Worst case I'll have to ship it back to Gentech, which probably means I won't see it for 3 weeks...

p.s.
No, I did not do any modifications to the BIOS/Dragon Center/Over-undervolt, etc.