The NEW MSI GS75, 8th GEN Intel, NVIDIA RTX GPU with GDDR6!

On the support page of MSI, a new firmware is released today for the GS75:

https://es.msi.com//Laptop/support/GS75-Stealth-8SG#down-firmware

The strange thing is that it has the same version number as the previous one of April, and when I open the TXT I still understand it less, the new one says "First Realese" ........

 

I'd wait before updating just to make sure it gets sorted out. I have had some industrial equipment release firmware by mistake with incomplete notes only to get it pulled from the site a day later.

 

That’s most probably display cable, pretty bad for new unit, I had exactly that (a bit mid area single line) on Mi Air 13 mx150 after almost a year gaming usage and Razer Edge tablet when I dropped it, quite sure I fixed (both) by tightening the display slot inside. Mi Air i sold it already after the fix but the tablet still doesn’t show it again after I tightened maybe over a year already.

 

I'm curious if there's any possibility this might address the issue I'm having with S3 resume and transitioning to Hibernate. Too bad the release notes aren't hinting at anything...

 

I think it's a bug, it's the same firmware from April, the number is the same and the hash matches. It is simply the first firmware for the new GS75, but for the old ones it is about what we already had.

 

New Firmware released:

 

Hmmm stability. Well I guess it won't hurt to try it.

 

I have updated, I do not notice any difference.

 

Ok i have a sound issue, maybe someone can help.
Basically wether i use the laptop speakers or headphones, it's always the same output device that is used. In Windows sound properties, even with headphones connected they show up as speakers.
I googled the **** out of it and nothing works. I'd like to have 2 separate devices so i can different sound levels depending on what is connected.
In Nahimic software, the icon change and it's detecting if i'm on speakers or a headset but Windows bundle them up together...
I tried downloading the realtek audio driver from Msi website and it doesn't change anything, i just now have 3 differents audio softwares but the issue remains.
Anybody can help ?



****EDIT
I have now uninstalled all realtek drivers, Realtek console and Nahimic software.
Doesn't change anything, tried to let Windows update use default drivers and downloading drivers from Realtek or MSI and same thing.
Plus now Nahimic after reinstall (from Dragon Center) don't work, saying that my laptop isnt compatible.
Realtek console reinstalled from Windows Store don't load up anymore (can't connect to RPC)
I lost every software and still have the same issue lol.
Sound work at least but my problem remain...

 

Update: managed to get Nahimic back again by manually installing these UAD drivers https://github.com/pal1000/Realtek-UAD-generic
But Realtek Audio Console still giving me the "RPC error". The previous link hints at a newer version available : Realtek Audio Console 1.3.184.0 but the Windows Store is still only giving me 1.2.xxx version. I'm starting to lose hope.
Can anyone tell me what functionning version of Realtek Audio Console they have installed please ?

 

1.2.168.0 from Windows Store, no audio problems.

 

Are you seeing speakers and headphones as separate devices in your Windows sound panel ?

 

Yes. I use the Apple Airpods bluetooth as headphones, and I see separated the speakers and the headphones, I can select what I want.

 

Yeah but i guess that's normal. What if you plug in a headphone in ? Do you have separate headphones and speakers ?

 

I am not sure you can separate them. I will check how they appear to me but its possible they are "bundled". At least in my Lenovo P1 they are treated as a single output device as well.

 

That's annoying then, my previous Asus laptop running Win8.1 worked this way and allowed you to have 2 differents volume settings according to what's plugged in.
It also avoid having your speakers screaming if you unplugg your headphones and forget to close a youtube tab or spotify.
In the meantime i found this: https://geekeefy.wordpress.com/2017...ute-when-headphones-are-accidently-unplugged/
I'll try it out and see if it can be a viable alternative.

 

I will be collecting my GS75 2080 Maxq later today and will be putting it through some rigorous benchmarking

I plan to do it in this sequence (all max fan)
Stock -> Fresh Windows -> Liquid metal -> GPU OC -> CPU undervolt -> remove cpu power limit.

Is that all good or is there a better and more through sequence?

 

I will be benchmarking Cinebench R15, R20, Time Spy, Heaven 4.0

Apex Legends, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Total War : Warhammer 2, Metro Exodus, Far Cry 5 and New Dawn.

Going to be a hell of a week

 

For temps I plan on just doing just Metro Exodus and a stress test (Prime 95 small fft + Heaven 4.0)

Comparing stock, liquid metal and after Gpu OC + No CPU power limit

 

No forget the 90w bios for 2080 Max-Q

 

I read somewhere that the new 9th gen GS75s will have the 90w bios by default. That's why I didn't list that

 

It is a lot of work, and there are always risks, but the result of all these modifications make the GS75 a different machine, much more powerful. Good luck, I've done everything you want to do, liquid metal, increase power limit, etc., plus overclock 3.000 Mhz to the Ram, I'm very happy with the result.

 

990mhz base (tried to upload pic but size is too big apparently)

90w version right?

BTW who was the one who asked for the 90w vbios? If this is indeed the 90w version, how do I extract the vbios?

 

yeah 990mhz is the 90w version. I was looking for it but already got it, thanks

I look forward to your results!

 

Nice. Did it give you the boost you were looking for?

Also my cpu is hitting 95°c from installing multiple games at once. Looks like a LM repaste is a necessity.

 

Right, the difference:

 

Hmm, so it seems that even at stock settings, the 9th gen version of the GS75 does provide a nice boost over the 8th gen version.

I got an average of 101.33 fps across 3 runs with an average minimum of 87.66 fps.

Comparing that with the results from Jarrod'sTech's review (8th gen) which got 92.1 average and 70.5 minimum, it's quite an uplift especially on the minimum framerates.

Pretty excited to see what I will be able to squeeze out of this laptop. I'm hoping to get within 10% of a full 2080 laptop. Seems possible.

 

Asking anyone who has done a clean windows install, what drivers or software will I have to install manually?

 

Thanks !! , I returned it and the new unit came perfect with no dead pixels.

I´m still adapting to the GS75 , Its very diferent from my previous laptop.

 

I didn´t found any references to ESS Sabre DAC on the system or Nahimic, neither in dragon drivers, just realtek output.
I assume that it is always activated ?

 

Yes, a sabre dac is used in place of a typical realtek dac.

 

I did some benchmarking with my 9th gen GS75 and I got the following results.

Cinebench R15 - 1197
Cinebench R20 - 2708

Time Spy
Overall - 7679
Gpu - 7976
Cpu - 6287

Heaven 4.0 extreme preset - 125.1

Apex Legends - 110.63
Shadow of the Tomb Raider - 95
Total War : Warhammer 2 (Battle benchmark) - 82.87
Far Cry 5 - 101.33
Far Cry New Dawn - 89.33
Metro Exodus Ultra Preset - 57.44
Metro Exodus RTX Preset - 48.82
Monster Hunter World - 83.78

All results are the average of 3 runs at highest preset unless stated otherwise.

Temperature testing at maxed fan (30 mins)
Metro Exodus - 92 cpu, 71 gpu
Prime95+Heaven - 92 cpu, 73 gpu

Now to do a clean install of windows

 

Hmm, I'm trying to install windows now but the installation media doesn't recognise the raid 0 drives.

Can anyone help?

Edit : Turns out my windows installation usb was a version that somehow didnt support raid. I simply had to download and make a newest version of the windows installation media.

 

thanks for your input, your scores are inline with mine for the GPU, you are scoring a tad big higher This is my timespy for reference https://www.3dmark.com/spy/7066756

Glad you sorted out the issue with RAID. I didn't have that problem so I assumed it was an old bootable media that you were trying. I personally don't use raid anymore (I did try it with the GS75 with a pair of old 128GB drives I had) but honestly NVMe drives are so fast for me that I just kept the original SSD and installed another one for storage.

 

@ryzeki Could you provide us with the 90 watt bios and perhaps a guide on how to flash it? I'm planning on buying the i9 GS75 with liquid metal mod and also undervolt it once I receive it, so I think I can push the 90 watts.

Many thanks!

 

Now that I'm not using dragon center, is there a way to use cooler boost?

I tried out silent option but it doesn't have a cooler boost option.

 

That's the i9 9880H version right? If so, it will come with the 90w version

 

Sure, though if you are getting a new 9th gen GS75, it already comes with the 90w VBIOS so don't worry. The 90w vbios would be more useful as an option for 8th gen users in case they feel they want a bit of extra performance.

Sorry, I didn't use dragon center, but what does cooler boost do? run fans at higher speeds?

yep

 

It runs the fans at 100% or more. I've read somewhere that using cooler boost overvolts the fans and makes them run at 120% but I'm not sure.

 

BTW, I noticed that now even though I have installed nvidia and Intel drivers I no longer have the nvidia or Intel control panels.

Is there any way I can re-enable them?

 

Yeah I only just figured that out. Thanks for the info!

 

Oh that makes sense. Not sure how it works in EC but maybe it has a different register that it edits that silent option lacks. I did notice that I could only get my fans to spin up to 5700rpms

Have you installed the latest DCH drivers? Update your windows to the latest version then update the drivers to the latest version. I believe the new nvidia control panel is an UWP windows store version now instead of how it used to be. Once it properly installs, you can use it again.

Glad to help

 

Alright, so I did all the benchmarks with fresh windows and fortunately, there weren't any noticeable performance differences.

Some apps like cinebench R20 ran 2% higher while some games like far cry new dawn ran 2% lower.

Within margin of error for me.

I'll be uploading the full excel sheet once I finish everything.

 

Repasting

https://imgur.com/gallery/DFQLbgz

And why is there a yellow sticker on top :/

https://imgur.com/gallery/1SnlZXc

 

Foam dams done.

Foam dams to protect against liquid metal spills

https://imgur.com/gallery/BFiNSfF

I would pay someone else to help do this for me honestly speaking (my neck is going to break) . Pity HIDEvolution isn't native to my country :/

 

Temps are a lot lower for the cpu but only 1-2°c cooler for the gpu.

CPU scores are higher but performance is similar in games.

 

BTW I tried a little gpu oc and it seems that the average clocks peed doesn't changed much and still averages 1500.

Benchmark results also say the same thing. Only a very small improvement is seen.

 

To anyone who has the 9th generation GS65/GS75s

Check if your memory is Samsung C die using thaiphoon burner.

I'm pushing 3600mhz currently. Insane.

 

What were the CPU temps before and how are they now? Did you also undervolt? i9 or i7?

 

I haven't undervolted yet. Still working on getting the best gpu oc settings.

The temps are as follows
Metro exodus
Cpu 92 ->75
Gpu 71 ->70

Prime95+Heaven 4.0
Cpu 92 -> 76
Gpu 73 -> 71

These are worst case scenarios. Playing apex I only get 69 gpu and 72 cpu.