Probably MSI Bios bugs because you're using an "unsupported" CPU or some custom bios for it. Maybe the custom bios is bugged as it only supports gsync monitors? Is your monitor the original panel or is it an aftermarket panel?
You knew with cancer firmware that things were going to happen when you put in a CPU that the laptop wasn't designed to take, right, @Papusan ? Or more "custom" bios bugs.
Do you have a gsync option anywhere in the NVCP?
Can you open "NVinspector" or Nvidia profile inspector (whatever it's called) and see if there is a gsync option sitting around in there?
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I used your provided BIOS settings, works like a charm so thank youAttached Files:
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I got 1454 on 4.5Ghz why is this happening?aaronne likes this. -
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Well apparently the BIOS update made the nvidia drivers wonky! A quick google search showed that a clean driver install is the solution, did it and problems gone.
Here is a 4.7GHz run with no OC on GPU yet.Attached Files:
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Yeah, Windoze OS X is a cancerous piece of excrement OS. The only thing consistent about it is the fact that it is inconsistent, unreliable and an unstable product. It is totally obvious that it is designed by idiots for idiots, and hiding the high performance power plan is just one of countless examples of how utterly stupid the imbeciles at Micro$haft have become. We should all be ashamed that we have allowed it to live this long. It deserved to die when it was still in beta. It has only gotten worse and degraded with the passing of time
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Made a smaller difference, I think I need to dial in the BCLK Bus a little as it is not a true 4,7. It is more like 4.68~GHz.
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Ok good score, remember to put CB15 process in "RealTime"priority from TaskManager and you will go higer!
About BCLK, to stabilize at 100,00Mhz just go to ICC settings, set 10001 and "Change Permanently",
also change to 0% (from 5%) the clock gating spectrum,
reboot, at next start your bclk in bios will be again at 10000 (and the same in the OS) but this time will have the right value in the OS.
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Right on the money with real time priority. Now that's more like it, @aaronne thanks for the tip!
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My 9900K at just 4.3Ghz with a manually tuned voltage to get an idea of where we would be on the F5 with a 9900K. It would still blow the doors off the 8700K and just might be doable on the power/temps side with a good chip like this. -
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After doing a BIOS reset and clean install to fix a boot issue I was having, I decided to try Throttlestop as opposed to XTU to set voltages and frequencies. I had to do a little trial and error to get everything locked in, but so far I've been able to lower my system idle temps by about 7-10 degrees over where they were with XTU while still being able to get 4.4 GHz across all cores/threads under load.
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Had some misadventures over the weekend. I was playing some games and suddenly got victimized by the WHEA_Uncorrectable_Error BSOD. Long story short, it seems to have been caused by a combination of Speed Shift, Speed Step, ThrottleStop, and the undervolt I was running. Disabling Speed Step and enabling Speed Shift in BIOS and adjusting the undervolt in ThrottleStop seems to be working so far. The CPU boosts back up to 4.4 GHz on all cores with no more crashes so far running games or the 3DMark stress test. In fact, whatever changes I made seem to have boosted the latter from around 98.4-98.7% up to 99.1% on its most recent run.
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In other words I got lucky I don’t think you will ever find it that cheap unless you are constantly checking eBay.
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Hey there,
I have just stumbled across this thread that seems to offer a newer version of the modded bios
While I have been quietly following this thread, I would like to update to the modded bios.
However, it has been rather quiet regarding the modded bios.
Is the modded, updated version (MSI BIOS ACTUAL FINAL.zip) usable 24/7 or are there certain caveats that an interested user should keep in mind?
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Hi,
I need to find the location of the BIOS chip which is marked by a 'red' dot, but my motherboard have two chips marked red..
One inside Cmos , and one inside Wi-Fi module..
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That's probably a dual BIOS design.
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On the GT73VR, Prema said that the second 'red dot' chip is the TB3 chip and is *NOT* bus isolated! Which means it is *NOT* safe to read unless it is desoldered !
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It seems the pics from the OP have expired. Can anyone post a pic of the pins to isolate on the cpu? Is it the same as the 9xxx series as posted in this thread?
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Flashing the Terrance Force BIOS directly to the chip with programmer fixed it but this time I had to lower the memory to 2666Mhz in order for both RAM sticks to work. Last time it worked automatically with both sticks at 3200Mhz.
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My RAM is Micron 3200CL22 - which simply won't POST when auto-trained and both slots are populated.
My solution is to populate the top slot only, boot into BIOS and force RAM timings and frequency.
After having set the frequency to 2933 and timings to known good ones (auto / 0 will work just fine as well), my laptop will happily accept two dimms.
However, this makes experimenting with timings quite tricky - my laptop will happily reset its RAM timings when it can't boot, but will try to reach 3200 MHz on its own, which won't work.
I have since found this nice setting in the unlocked BIOS:
System Agent (SA) Configuration -> Memory Configuration -> Maximum Memory Frequency
When setting it to 2933 MHz (= my known max working frequency), I can happily experiment and each no-POST will lead to the device resetting the RAM-settings.
However, as it respects the maximum frequency, it will reach a stable state and be back up in about 1 minute - no manual BIOS reset or other stuff needed.
And as a nice trick, if your PCH is getting quite warm, feel free to check this out:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-lounge.797128/page-1134#post-11082092
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I uploaded these BIOS with 16 threads support, and BGA1440 adapted CPU support( ME Disabled edition).
I will rewrite some documents when I have more free time.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZRLYpWUCwY9bsUpyEIVMrKQz7ID2JzEi?usp=sharing
You need MS-16L1 and MS-16L3. Other files is for Clevo devices, ignore them.
All based on latest official BIOS I've found.
BIOS only have menus about 4 cores and lose G-Sync/Optane RST are normal.
DRAM SPD Write Protection disabled by default.
Showing all hidden menus by default.
This time I do not use iasl to disassembly ACPI table, I edit binary to inject CPU 8+ logic manually without disassembly.
MSI SLIC 2.1 is added.
Model edited to GT62VR 7RE.
ME disabled edition support BGA1440 adapted CPU, but these CPU have bad memory quality.
Do not distrust BIOS when you using these things, all problems are related to adaptor hardware.
And ME disabled edtiion support 128GB DRAM when using 4x32GB, which may showing a Pci Out of Resources error, just use ESC Key to skip that. I have no method to fix that now.Last edited: Jun 1, 2021Semmy, FrozenLord and IllusiveMan like this. -
TL;DR: are there ways to help with CPU temperature or is there a way to make sure that a heatsink is working correctly?
Hey there,
I have recently upgraded my 6700K to a 9700F and am wondering about temperatures.
My 6700K did get rather hot when mildly overclocked, reaching mid 90s in stress tests and benchmarks if pushed to 4.3 GHz.
It did however not run stable when reducing voltage (going below 1.25V was asking for trouble, even at 4.2 GHz), leading me to believe that I had simply gotten a bad draw in the lottery.
However, my 9700F is running rather warm as well and does not like going below 1.19V (OCCT with AVX2 will show errors when running on 3 threads at 4.4GHz).
I have experimented with Loadline AC/DC of 10, IA IMON Offset of -10 and a static voltage of 1.2V, which is stable so far.
However, I am easily hitting 90s under load, even in this below-stock setting:
I am aware of the bottom cover mod (basically holes below CPU and GPU) as well as running the device on a cooling pad.
My device is sitting on top of a 20cm fan ( Noctua NF-A20 5V) which provides some additional airflow, but the laptop does not have the CPU hole mod.
My room temperature is around 28°C (no A/C), and still my CPU will easily reach thermal throttling temperatures:
The "advanced" OCCT settings I use are as follows:
Going through the thread, I did find some users mentioning temperatures, e.g.:
My assumption is therefore that I am either missing out on a miracle setting (which I am doubtful of, considering the vast gap) or that my heatsink is somewhat defective.
At the moment, I am using Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut (thermal pad) as TIM to get around pumpout and dryout.
Previous attempts with ICD7 and Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut (both on 6700K) as well as Cooler Master MasterGel Maker Nano (on the 9700F) did result in similar temperatures.
The heatsink is making contact with the CPU via a copper shim, which came with the device.
I did initially try running the device without it (i.e. CPU - Carbonaut - heatsink) but the stock heatsink's design does not allow for sufficient pressure to make this setup work.
Consequently, I did add the shim again (i.e. CPU - Carbonaut - shim - Carbonaut - heatsink), which did improve temperature a lot.
Nonetheless, I feel that my temperature is way too high for the amount of power the CPU is allowed to draw (65W + IA IMON Offset of 10).
For reference, I did limit PL1 and PL2 to 65W as well as PL4 to 70W, to make sure that there are no random spikes in power consumption that could cause this temperature.
Does anyone have any idea what I should look at to improve those temperatures?
To round of this post, I have attached a picture of my (ghetto) setup:
More specifically:
- copper heatsinks on top of VRMs (held in place by sufficiently sized thermal pads)
- GPU fan modded to a different brand (held in place by one sufficiently sized thermal pad)
- GPU heatsink is pressed down by 4 screws and a big copper plate
- CPU heatsink is pressed down by 4 screws and small copper shims (to make sure that the pressure is not the reason for my problems)
My idle temperature (see OCCT min values) is ca. 40°C which sounds about right to me.
In case of the CPU heatsink's screws, I did tighten them while running OCCT with a stable AVX load and monitoring avg. temperature over one minute via HWInfo.
This did show immediate impact of tightening loosening screws, but I did reach a plateau where tightening them further did not lower temperatures anymore.
Thank you very much for your insights and ideas!
A small addition, I just did some Cinebench R15 runs and am basically immediately power-limited.
The 9700F does not allow setting a higher PL2, so my only option is to work around its PL2 via the IMON Offset.
My best run so far is this one, with an IMON Offset of -30 and the device running at around 3.8 GHz during the Cinebench run:
While the temperatures are not as bad as during the (obviously worst-case) OCCT AVX2 Extreme test, they are still hitting 80°C.
Edit: as it turns out, I have massively underestimated my room temperature as it is around 28°C during the day, not 21°C as previously stated.Last edited: Jun 11, 2021 -
The copper shim works as a sandwich. Several layers Paste/liquid metal is bad for heat transfer from the die.
Use Liquid metal both on die and between IHS and heatsink is needed. Don't forget apply LM also on the inside of the IHS and on the heatsink.FrozenLord likes this.
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