Offical Coffee Lake Thread/Upgrade Guide MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)

I understand, guess better be careful & not rush this.

 

Apply tape on pin and then take a picture by phone or camera to avoid mistake

here an old photo of mine 8700K

 

Tried bro, still need that tool to apply the tape properly, I have bad eyesight.

 

Just found a nasty bug on every bios for Cooffeelake (and upper cpu) for this laptop.

If AVX offset is not set or set to "-0, -1 or -2", the IA AC/DC settings (that normalize vcore spikes almost as LLC) will be ignored and defaulted to 5/5 instead of right (actual) setting choosed.

So for a correct functionality of VR IA AC/DC avx offset must be set "-3" atleast

edit: wrong number

 

You, you to the rescue again!!

My update, I just received the magnifying tool, will attempt to cover those pads with Kapton tape then start the BIOS flashing process and set AVX to -3....want to boot the lappy first without issues.

 

There is confirmation that 9th gen cannon lake cpus will be unofficially supported on this bios, cpu ids have been included in the bios too thanks to @aaronne and @dsanke for letting me know. @dsanke may update the bios just incase any fixes are needed but this is good news for all of us!

 

Awesome to see this happening to the F5, fantastic job guys, keep it up. Any issues with this bios on the 120hz screen?

 

anyone tried this bios on MSI MS-16L13- MB Z270 Chipset. Would be greate to know if it will go without all this SPI programmer which is tricky. Another thing - anyone could share what other bugs are caused by this BIOS?

So far it is-

NO G-SYNC

 

I'm pretty happy with this result.

 

Anyone is interested to try the 9900K now that it is out?

 

Sweet...indeed!

 

I will be testing it, my mate has preodered it. With enough luck he will let me try it on my tornado f5 before I put it in his desktop system.

 

I think @Talon will try it for giggles, but the processor will ultimately end up in his desktop PC. I would only get one under two conditions: 1) I can buy a binned example that undervolts as well as my 8086K for less than $350 and 2) Intel announces that this will be the last series of desktop chips to use socket 1151. I hold out hope that we'll see a 10th- or 11th-generation CPU that will be 10c/20t or 12c/24t.

This was a happy accident. I was doing some benchmarking and my machine was actually failing the stress test, scoring less than 94%. That wasn't right because it passed previous runs at around 97.1%. It turns out that for whatever reason Afterburner was not using the voltage profile I had set. No matter what I did, I couldn't get it to load, so I had to bite the bullet and recreate it. I went with a slightly more aggressive undervolt, and you see the result, which by the way was without using the fans at maximum speeds.

 

You don't want to put a 10 or 12 core CPU in your Tornado do you!? Although would they be on a die shrink & therefore consume less watts for their number of cores? An 8 core beast is surely upgrade enough for your Tornado, you'd be doubling up on cores - that's solid! Hell, 8700K with their six cores is a fantastic achievement!

 

I think I will settle with my 8700K now for a long time as I see scores of 9900K having only a 6% to 15% advantage over it depending on the task from some youtube videos. Gaming being a primary function of my machine and media creation, 8700K I see it as it fits the bill nicely. Now it's a matter of days before I install it in my laptop then run the benchmarks.

 

Good news guys I found and bought a motherboard for my other tornado f5, should be coming soon. Only paid £70 for it! Way better than eurocoms rip off prices.

This also means I maybe able to sell my personal tornado f5 with watercooling heatsinks and maybe with the i9 included (if it runs)

I'm quite short on money after buying another car, good old vw polo lasted me ages.

 

Yes finally, my laptop is alive! With an i5-8600k installed of course!

 

Very nice! I am actually thinking of going 9700K in my F5 and keeping my 9900K for the desktop. I will probably try the 9900K in the laptop but I am thinking with a soldered 8 core without HT I would be pretty damn set. I may alternatively put my cherry 8700K into my laptop instead of selling that or donating it to a family member.

 

Can you please NOT load a 4k + image on this forum?
it took literally 45 seconds for this image to load.

Use imgur and resize it or something.

 

That's probably a good idea, because the 9700K is less heat dense than the 9900K. The 9900K has greater heat density due to the hyperthreading, which only really is there to make each physical core able to perform more work per unit time. The fact that you're putting this in a laptop with more limited cooling abilities, then 9700K is the best choice, especially when it comes to gaming where we're not likely to see benefits of 9900K vs 9700K just yet (in future yes). You might find you'd get a higher overclock on the 9700K vs the 9900K because of this heat density I talked about, which could then result in an even better gaming CPU than the 9900K when viewed within the confines of your laptop's cooling.

 

I tested my 8700K with HT disabled and locked clock to 4,4Ghz to compare to 9600K leaked benchmark.
Here my results:


https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i5-9600k-cpu-overclock-benchmarks-leak/



fritz chess benchmark


9600K 19452 Kn/s




8700K 4,4Ghz 6c/t 20154 Kn/s






Cinebench r15


9600K1034pt.




8700K 4,4Ghz 6c/t1134pt.






x264 FHD Benchmark


9600K 22.399 Kb/s




8700K 4,4Ghz 6c/t 22.399 Kb/s

 

Sorry about that, I thought pasteboard resizes to 1080p.

 

I'm going to stay with the 8700k because in all fairness it has hyperthreading and is less heat dense too. If the cpu socket was situated closer to fans I may have upgraded because there would be short heat transfer between the heatpipes. I believe it makes a difference. On idle a 8600k in my clevo stays around 30c. However in my tornado f5 it's at 40c or higher!

I really wish eurocom had taken the fans and heatsink from a p870dmg and modded it in somehow (I know 5v fans won't work) because the cooling system of the clevo is miles better than what eurocom has to offer.

 

9600K stock is 4.3GHz on all cores.

 

Edit: You're talking about max turbo across all cores, nevermind.

 

8700K is a beastly CPU.

 

This happened on my P870dm-g, please cover the two pins on your socket if you want to keep your laptops pins safe from eradication!

 

Good thing I didn't rush my build.

Well I since had the pads covered on those pin contact points, I'm hoping it won't damage the MOBO.

I need to make the final leap which is BIOS flashing, I have the Prema Bios which I hope that I can do it without issues, wish me luck....now where is that 64GB flash drive.....

 

Got some bad news:

The clevo remains on a black screen with the i9 when powered on.

Nothing changes it from displaying a black screen, changed the ram took out the ssd etc even changed the GPU! A bios mod is needed.

So the i9 does NOT work in the p870dmg at the moment but what I talk about later may mean that it is possible for it to work.

I thought that if the i9 doesn't work in the clevo surely it doesn't work in the tornado f5, WRONG!

The msi logo lit up instantly! But the laptop freezes on the logo and doesn't do anything else, tried changing the ram taking out the ssd tried removing the pin mod. Still the same issue...

Conclusion:

The i9 will work with some bios tweaks because if it is displaying on my tornado f5 there is no reason it shouldn't display and work on both my clevo and eurocom laptops.

I do not have the i9 anymore, it is in my friend's system so that was that. Also this processor gets very hot very very quickly I don't think oem heatsinks in both these laptops will cool this beast once it gets working

 

DM/DM2/DM3/KM/KP/KL series should have 9900K compatibility, and other series may not work with 9900k, but work with 9600K/9700K. I will try fix that soon.

 

I know about there is so much excitement about 9th gen, but I have an option to get 8700 (non-K) at quite low cost. Does modded BIOS support non-K version of the CPU? Is non-K binned poorly compared to K?

 

It supports i7 8700 non k. Single core performance of it is comparable to 4th gen otherwise its an excellent processor.

 

So today I finally flashed the BIOS to the MSI Titan one provided here by @dsanke but I used the unlocked version by @aaronne .

My 8700K made a difference with gaming in Shadow of the Tomb Rider, 7700K average FPS was 42, 8700K AVG is 60FPS (it's more than that but the benchmark says so).

I still need to tweak things but so far so good, no BSOD or anything out of the ordinary, max temp running benchmark is 90c with untouched BIOS settings for the Tomb Rider game.

Cinebench R15 score on stock clocks.

 

The CBR-15 score with stock clocks seems too low. You say 90C in benchmarks... You mean in Cinebench R15 ?

 

no 90c in the game. during benchmark it was only around 70s...

 

Will adjust clocks and everything else when I get time.

 

2x Stock run



Edit. While on the web

 

As I said, I’m yet to tame this beast & train it. Are those on a desktop? Nice numbers.

Guess even my cherry picked CPU doesn’t perform well on the low end, let me see if it will shine in the top end.

 

Nope, my good old Clevo from 2015

 

Maybe stock clock speeds are not the same for both of you. I know that in the desktop world (yep I know you're talking notebooks) that some motherboards automatically apply different stock all core clock speeds for CPUs - I think it's because some motherboards automatically apply MCE (Multi Core Enhancements) which is where it applies max turbo boost from single core to all core.

 

The P870dm-g has superior vrms to the tornado f5 and would smash it in thermals as well as benchmarks. More stable voltage = higher overclock. On my p870dmg I can undervolt my cpu upto - 200mv on a 4.7ghz oc. In my tornado f5 however I can only do - 50mv.

 

our Tornado F5's scores (on 8700K) are almost aligned to desktop counterpart (till 5Ghz with a lucky chip).
Here are fresh CB15's MT scores, run with AV open on Win7x64( no avx set on bios, so bigger vid spikes observed):
4,3Ghz 1444pts.
4,4Ghz 1461pts.
4,5Ghz 1501pts.
4,6Ghz 1525pts.
4,7Ghz 1573pts.
4,8Ghz 1581pts.
https://imgur.com/a/UoY4yIY

Spoiler: pics

I think opposite about VRM, but I think LLC is better on CLEVO (also no thanks to crippled and limited MSI bios)

 

Do you by chance know the high and low mofsets model numbers? Because of there being NO cooling solution for the vrms I believe its not as good. More mofsets doesn't always mean a good thing either (torando f5 has way more ik) but you are right about llc. Either way clevo makes amazing laptops in the p870 series. And msi did a great job of the tornado f5.

 

All can see 1365cb in CBR-15 is wrong score for stock clocks if everything works as it should.

40x all cores boost (No tweaked voltage - Same voltage as for stock clocks). 3 bin lower clocks.



Edit.
39x all cores boost equal i7-8750BGA but with more normal CBR-15 score.

You're correct, from what I have seen... The VRM's in the Tornado F5's doesn't suffer from overheating. They run pretty cool even without heatsink.

@Huniken Se aaronnes post. Correct score from stock clocks.

@aaronne Great to see old ladies (laptops) with newer content that works equal as in desktops. With BGA you have been screwed. +rep

 

So I run firestrike, I still didn't change anything in the bios yet, my nvidia driver is kinda wonky working with 3DMark.....3DMark says I have G-Sync on....like WTH?! I don't have any G-Sync panels connected nor my laptop panel have G-Sync so why it tells me I have G-sync on? Another thing, when firestrike was done, it said score test is invalid, Nvidia driver changes LOD....how do I fix these 2 issues?

I want to see a proper FS score before I go fiddle with the BIOS to tweak the CPU.

@Papusan thanks I saw @aaronne scores I'm just finding it very strange *shrugs*

@Mr. Fox any Idea why 3Dmark is telling me I have G-Sync on while I don't?

BTW, what happened to brother Phoenix? Did he quit NBR or something?

 

About Firestrike, and the LOD comment, it makes me think that something in your NVidia Control Panel is set to perhaps a Low Quality/High Performance setting override, and maybe that would invalidate it because it's not rendering the benchmark like it wants to be. I mean I've not tested this theory, it's just a little idea! Maybe check your NVidia Control Panel for 3D Settings that are not standard.

Oh yeah, and Phoenix is now called Ultra Male - I worked it out after he gave me some rep & I was thinking who is this person, and I saw some of his old threads & realised it was Phoenix! (He used to be called Matrix something or other before that I think. P.S. don't worry, I don't camp outside his house taking notes, I'm just observant (sometimes!)!

 

Most likely the mod bios (Remember your machine ain't delivered with your Cpu setup). You can use Nvidia Profile Inspector for different special Nvidia settings.

 

Set Nvidia driver to "Application controlled" for Anisotropic filtering or you will get the LOD error.
Best set everything to application controlled.

 

will do that.

I rather not as I use GeForce. But thanks for the advice Papusan

 

No use.I set the control panel for nvidia to let 3D application decide, still getting the error by 3DMark and it KEEPS telling me I have G-sync on....WTF is going on here?