Offical Coffee Lake Thread/Upgrade Guide MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)

Thank you for the ideas, @Papusan

I am still on the edge about delidding this CPU, as it is soldered and apparently does not gain as much from delidding as previous generations.
Silicon Lottery points to a rather meager best case of 7°C lower temperature after delidding for 9th gen.

This is on my todo list for the next disassembly

Considering previous pumpout, I am not willing to risk putting LM between IHS and heatsink.

 

In case anyone else is searching for the BIOS chip, it's the one below the NVME slot (you can see the lower of both mounting holes in the picture):

Please pay special attention to pin #1 (marked by the 1 on the PCB, as well as an indentation on the chip itself - it's the lower left pin)

 

Hello! Tell me, is this for which processor? Intel® Core ™ i9-9900K?

 

[QUOTE = "dsanke, post: 11097812, member: 704402"] Я загрузил этот BIOS с поддержкой 16 потоков и поддержкой процессора, адаптированного для BGA1440 (версия ME Disabled).
Я перепишу некоторые документы, когда у меня будет больше свободного времени.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZRLYpWUCwY9bsUpyEIVMrKQz7ID2JzEi?usp=sharing

Вам понадобится MS-16L1 и MS-16L3. Остальные файлы предназначены для устройств Clevo, игнорируйте их.

Все основано на последней официальной версии BIOS, которую я нашел.
В BIOS только меню около 4 ядер и потеря G-Sync / Optane RST - это нормально.
Защита от записи DRAM SPD по умолчанию отключена.
По умолчанию отображаются все скрытые меню.
На этот раз я не использую iasl для разборки таблицы ACPI, я редактирую двоичный файл, чтобы ввести логику CPU 8+ вручную без разборки.
Добавлен MSI SLIC 2.1.
Модель отредактирована под GT62VR 7RE.

Версия ME с отключенным режимом поддерживает ЦП, адаптированный к BGA1440, но у этих ЦП плохое качество памяти.
Не доверяйте BIOS при использовании этих вещей, все проблемы связаны с оборудованием адаптера.
И ME с отключенным edtiion поддерживает 128 ГБ DRAM при использовании 4x32 ГБ, что может отображать ошибку Pci Out of Resources, просто используйте клавишу ESC, чтобы пропустить это. У меня нет способа исправить это сейчас. [/ QUOTE]



Привет! Подскажите, это для какого процессора? Intel® Core ™ i9-9900K?

 

I would advise against using a 9900K as imho it can't be sufficiently cooled in this laptop.
This mod is mainly useful for the Intel 9700 and slower CPUs, as the 9700K can't be overclocked in this laptop as it will hit throttling temperatures under stock settings.
I have decided to use a 9700F as this is a CPU without Haperthreading (which is unsafe in Intel's implementation and will produce more heat), without iGPU (not usable in the Tornado F5) and without overclocking.
Other decent alternatives are 9600K and 8600K as well as 8700K (if you want hyperthreading) and their non K-variants.

 

I think it is possible the use 9900k as the heat is about the same 9700k produces, undervolting with 90mv~ will be fine.
However yes it will throttle in some cases but in most task non cpu intensive will be fine, such as gaming.

 

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I beg to differ.
Reviews show the 9700K to use about 20W less than the 9900K, e.g. https://www.techspot.com/review/1730-intel-core-i9-9900k-core-i7-9700k/page3.html

Additionally, consider my modifications done to this laptop to prevent my 9700F from thermally throttling - while it is now running fine in games, it is still not running at stock frequencies.
If I were to run it at its stock frequencies, my games would thermally throttle noticeably.
My best guess is that this laptop's CPU cooling is able to get rid off about 90W of continuous load, I.e. 90W coming from the CPU will result in temperatures around the low 90s.
Similarly, if the 9700K would run at stock frequencies (keep in mind that it is not artificially limited by a 65W TDP) it will already be way beyond my 9700F power wise and will have according temperatures.
If you add hyperthreading to that, you are far into thermal throttling territory, even in games.
(As a rough guideline: my 6700K would add about 20 Watts for hyperthreading at 4.2GHz, which gave an increase from ~60W to ~80W on a quad core - I would therefore expect a minimum of 40W increase in power consumption for this octa core when hyperthreading; update: reviews show the difference to be about 20W)
Consequently, if you are looking for a CPU to game on and don't need to run the 9900K full throttle, why bother with this expensive and problematic (power consumption-wise) CPU at all if you can get a 9700 (or variants thereof) for significantly less?

 

The article you posted is benches of both CPU's being clocked to 5.1, of course you will not be able to reach that specially with a 330w PSU since the GFX card alone can draw up to 150w.
So the 9900K would have to be at stock clocks and undervolted which will draw about ~135-150w in total at 47-49Ghz.
9700K and 9900K is the same CPU just with HP unlocked, and i was running 9700K on this laptop just fine in gaming loads, under heavy load the CPU may reach 80-85c and will throttle to 44-45~ all cores at some points to keep the temperature down to the ~+80c.
In gaming the CPU will not throttle unless you play ANNO maybe while being on steroids, in most cases the GPU will be bottleneck.
Although i see your point, why do this?, well, thats not the point, the point is that you can run a 9900k in this laptop and that is what the 16 thread bios is for.

 

yes, that's right, there may also be an F version

 

this is only if you will use the processor at 100% load. In normal work and even games, the processor is used by 50-70%, which will consume from 30 to 60 watts. If you fix the processor frequency at 4.0 GHz and lower the voltage, then this will slightly reduce consumption and heating.

For example, even a 10-core i9 10850K consumes 70-75 watts at 4.0 GHz in Cyberpunk. In the video below. You can also see that its temperature is 70-80 degrees at this time. It's inside the laptop. You just got a bad silicone lottery cpu i7 9700

 

The graphs showing power consumption are without overclocking, they only run the overclock when showing performance graphs (to show improvements on the IPC / architecture-side).
However, after reading some more on the 9900K, I see two reason for getting it even for this device:
- better binning than 9700K or variants (enabling same clock at lower voltage)
- more L3 cache per core
Consequently, if a 9900K can be found for a decent price, it will be superior to a 9700K even if Hyperthreading is not used.

I am seeing rather high temperatures in games as well, especially in Hunt Showdown.

I am currently working my way through the various combinations to hopefully find the best one for my use case.
Right now I am at 4.4 GHz (and 4.3 starting with 5 Core load, 4.2 starting with 7 Core load) @ 1.185V.
1.17V results in OCCT showing errors after ~2 minutes, while 1.18V is fine - so I added 5mV and will keep it.
Under OCCT stress testing with AVX2, I am still seeing some Throttling but as I can't go lower voltage-wise without losing 4.4GHz for 4-core applications, I will probably keep that.

That's what I fear

 

I wanted to also mention that my previous reply was about playing games in 1440p and up to custom resolution like 4K -5%,-10%,-15%, -20% depends on the game since i have a 4K monitor, you might be playing games at 1080p which may cause the CPU to be utilized more and therefore produce more heat.

 

Very nicely done, thank you!
I have just flashed this BIOS for my F5 (and edited the maximum RAM frequency to limit it to 3000 MHz and thereby prevent issues with my 3200 MHz RAM)

One nice benefit of this BIOS is the improvement in DPC (at least compared to my previous BIOS):

I.e. running a 9700F and Windows 10 21H2, alongside a 1080 GTX, my DPC latency (based on LatencyMon 7.0) reaches a maximum of 631µs during ~40 minutes.
(I am running the ME disabled version, with ASPM being set to Auto for all PCI Express ports, BT and WiFi were on and connected)