MSI GT75 TITAN 8RG-094 Review by Ultra Male

I work overseas... Do you know the pain to carry a PC in your luggage at the airport?

 

@UncleMysh there might be some lower spec laptop with i7 7th/6th gen and 1060 or 1070 max-q that might be thermally acceptable if you liquid metal it resulting in noises that are acceptable. But I still don't consider liquid metal as a long term solution that would last for the next few years plus traveling with it in vertical position and bouncing around as you walk/run to gateways at airports might also make it spill and damage stuff (yeah yeah I know you are supposed to tape around or use nail polish etc but tbh, it still does not seem suitable for laptops used for traveling).
I stopped researching it at the point when msi said it would void my warranty in the Netherlands, so correct me if I am wrong.

PS. if you travel a lot you might want to look into some 15 inch variants instead. The gt75 is not really considered portable. What about the ge63 series? They are not the ultra slim laptops but are very portable and with liquid metal should have nice temps too.

 

Well, I don't want to hijack the thread, but would like to discuss it more.

I am traveling for leisure and holidays not more once/twice per year.

I think the titan 8RG has a much better cooling system. So wouldn't it be better to fit an i9 and a 1080 here?

When it goes to Max-Q isn't it better just to underclock the 1080? I don't like the Max-Q concept. If I want more power I can always go and up my GPU clocks.

 

Maybe I can help you when I get my 6 core Coffee. I have never liked go into others computers. But here is a simple guide. Look into Conifigure Sensors in bottom of Hwinfo main window. Then click the "Layout" box on top. See what you can find in "Hidden items". Missing voltage, Clocks etc. Click aka select what you want shall appear on Hwinfo sensor panel. Click "Show" and the "Monitoring" box. Then click finish. Go into Hwinfo panel and find what you added and drag it where you want it to be.

Why show temp results from an not working Clevo? And You know very well the issue was resolved, long time ago. The OP never posted about it again. See @Donald@HIDevolution post. All you post in this forum is just BS/Nonsense. Everywhere on the forum, Danishblunt. Can you rather tell me what will happen if you turn up Cpu Voltage to Maximum and then run XTU bench with i9-8950Hk in Msibook's? Either with max overclock or stock clocked. If you don't have the mentioned BGA model, maybe other can test this for you!! Please STOP this ****y posting!! Come with decent info, not this nonsense everywhere.

 

@UncleMysh please make your own thread. Clearly you want to discuss this extensively and there is appropriate forum section for this. You seem to want a laptop I don't think exists - quiet but with top components and best cooling system, you will have to give up on some aspects. I don't think we can help you within this thread, it's just hijacking at this point. Good luck in your search.

 

I know what you mean dude and i thought the same way but since i bought this beauty i try several other headsets and nope not one of this headset gave me that feeling of sound.
this were the best 300€ = 350-360$ which i ever spend for my hardware.

the first headset where i can say my mates from where the enemys come. never thought that a simply headset (regarding to 5.1 or 7.1) can gave me that sound.

 

Yeah the speakers are super loud. Its deafening.

 

OMG, $10.000 for a laptop? Your insane (in a good matter)

Those temps are very nice!
Did MSI continue its tradition and is the BIOS super stable regarding cpu clock? I mean was the CPU clock 4.5 Ghz from start to finish during the Fire Strike test?
Was there a "Warranty void if removed" sticker on the bottom panel's middle screw with this custom bottom panel? Or if I order this panel I am allowed to install my own ram and SSD?

I am thinking between the 8850H and the 8950HK model.
Isn't the 8950HK a bit overkill for a GTX 1080 ? Would a 8850H be enough? Also, I heard that the 8850H is "partially unlocked", what does this mean? Can all 6 cores be locked at 4.0 Ghz?
Or I am writing nonsense and a 8950HK is needed to bring out the full power of the GTX 1080 ?

Oh and could you please check the TDP in the vBIOS? Did MSI set the GTX 1080 in this laptop too at 200W ?

This laptop is really tempting...

ps: Could you please throw a game like Witcher 3 at it and post temps after at least 1 hour of gameplay? Witcher 3 likes to burn the CPU and GPU and I would like to see how your machine would handle it

ps2: Could you please also post the max power drawn by the 2 adapters? I am interested if a single 500W adapter could replace the dual adapters or not.

 

The Eurocom 780W adapter has been tested to work. With prime95+furmark, max power draw was 375W on the Euro LCD display.

 

@DRevan Yes with stock bios everything will be stable, BUT the temps will be horrendously high due to too high voltage under load.
On all msi laptops there will be a warranty sticker, BUT it's use is pretty much illegal and removing it, burning it and dancing around the fire and then opening the laptop and doing whatever unless you damage something physically will NOT void warranty (unless you are in a country where such warranty sticker is legal - maybe they are somewhere in asia?) But in EU & US the stickers mean nothing.
If you purchase from someone like hidevolution which most of these guys do, they will also install very good thermal paste for you for a few extra bucks (that is how the great temps are achieved). I don't think however that the 8850H would really need the bottom cover mod.

Yes the i9 is an overkill for 1080 if you just game. If you do video rendering etc, it might be useful but since the 8850H can be OC'ed with +400MHz according to this post: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...950h-coffee-lake.810891/page-45#post-10705934
You will be totally fine with the 8850H for gaming. And yes it will run on all 6 cores at 4 GHZ even at stock settings if you are in high performance mode. With the OC it should then run @4.4GHz on all cores but due to lack of reviews I cannot confirm this.
PS. if you play Witcher 3. even the 7700HQ would not bottleneck the 1080. ^^ The 8850H OR the 8750H should not ever bottleneck it in any current game, even damn assassin's creed: origins.

 

sorry to bother you again with a temp question @Phoenix .
Thanks for the pictures of the botom mod.
I search for an answer but what is about the temperatures for the chipset and the ssd's?
when i run my gt75 and hold my hand under it i can feel a lot of air which is pull thru the air holes.

thanks in advance bro for an answer.

 

I have the i7 8850h and I can tell you it's barely used in games. You feel the heat difference between the cpu and gpu and the gpu is much hotter. The cpu likes to float around 40°c and the 1080 gpu is about 50-60°. I'm going to get the best laptop cooler possible just for some extra cooling capabilities.I have 32gbs of 2666hz ram. Honestly though if I didn't travel so much and I was home from work everyday id build a desktop instead in a heart beat. They are just so much more powerful and cooling capabilities are so much better. My laptop is the MSI GT75 8RG TITAN-056. I also have the thermal grizzly paste and fuji polly pads. Ordered mine from HIDevolution around the same time as phoenix

 

Here are some scores with the 8700K in my P870DM-G running at stock multis and 1080 running stock clocks for comparison.

Looks like I need to put liquid metal back on my GPU, LOL.

And, here is FFXV with W10 bloatware cancer OS...

 

Yeah I agree a little bit but you'rs isn'b cool because I can bring mine with me. I'm going to Italy in a couple days and am bringing my desktop powered bad ass laptop. And if you build a pc desktop build a pc desktop. I'm talking supercomputer graphics cards from Nvidia.

 

But, you do not have a desktop powered laptop. You have a laptop with a mobile BGA CPU. All but that last thumbnail I posted are with my laptop that does have a desktop CPU (8700K). And, I take it with me when I travel, too. Only the thumbnail is my desktop.

 

Ahhh I see. Sorry for my lack of knowledge I will reframe next time. Just didn't like that you posted something on here that phoenix had posted about the laptop he just bought. I'm still cruising through games on high graphics. Probably will slow when I play deus ex.

 

Totally agree with you, the i7-8850H is more than enough and not saying it was all AMD (lol) but the push for +2 cores on mainstream as well as hyperthreading on i5s is a really nice bump.

That being said a laptop with an 8850H paired with 1060-1080 will give you a lot of performance in gaming. It's pretty much like a stock 6700K +2 cores and its already at 4.0GHz on all 6 cores on stock so I'd actually be happy with a stock CPU like this. I don't need it running at 5.0GHz on a laptop lol. Something like this would be more than enough for gamer/streamers/multi-task/encoders etc... and I am more likely to recommend them to people looking for laptops. I'm actually thinking about getting my gf an 8850H + 1060 or so

I'm still on the fence, my last laptop upgrade would probably be a 6 core + 11xx series, then I'm going back to desktop lol, I miss having super silent setup with crazy overclocks and wondering if your computer is on or not xD.

 

Why did you benchmark Final fantasy on normal and not on high again?
Why did you not benchmark your notebook on W10 with those CPU tests again?
Why did you claim your notebook runs at stock speeds, then showing us that it's running Overclocked?

Oh yes, because you'd be losing or having same scores as phoenix notebook and would make an asshat out of yourself.

 

That is not very nice to say. I agree with the ffxv bench being irrelevant and not comparable but the speeds are really stock. The 8700k does have single core boost up to 4.7 and 6-core up to 4.3. Perfectly stock. Also, not sure how would W10 dramatically change the results, maybe a little but tbh, Phoenix's 1437 is pretty darn close to 8700k's 1510 anyway, if W10 makes the results slightly lower (as per ffxiv bench being lower), then the scores would probably be around the same. In the attachment, all it shows is an overclocked PC result, not the laptop... and obviously it would perform better since it's overclocked.
Still no need to be rude? The guy never said his system performed better or was more awesome or superior, he literally said it is "for comparison". As in look, it's comparable to 8700k on stock clocks yay! I think you just misunderstood it.

 

Look at his CPU clocks. 4.6ghz on all cores is an overclock, on stock it will only boost 4.3ghz on all cores if all cores are used.

More on this:


In his mind your notebook is "BGA filth", "jokebook", "BGA vomit" etc. You don't know the guy so obviously there is that.

Also CPU benchmarking tools are fickle, phoenixs score would be way higher if he did it properly. I think once Phoenix is ready to overclock his notebook I'll lend him a hand and guide him through, then you'll see much higher scores. Probably scores that will make mr.fox sweat.

 

@Danishblunt ok valid point. Still all I see is max 4.5 on all cores in one of the tests, in the other tests 4.4. Phoenix ran all 6 cores at 4.4 as well so it should still be comparable. And I think it is?
PS. it is still a jokebook/vomitbook. I agree with that. It's a laptop after all with upgrade possibility close to 0. That's a fact. Also it's a fact that MSI/other manufacturers make very bad firmware decisions. I can only agree, if you followed the thread closely, you will know that Phoenix has lots of mods on hw as well as bios side applied to get these results ^^

 

You're looking at the wrong table, you need to look at maximum frequency ebcause those scrfeenshots are after the test has been made aka after the stresstest.

 

Why shouldn’t he could run a OS he prefer over Win 10? We all know there ain’t a big difference in performance between the OS!!
And it’s seems you are blind... You I mean we other can clearly see clocks have been dropped down to 4.3GHz in 6 core load here. Aka stock 6 cores clocks for 8700K.

 

@Danishblunt Why are you so consistently abrasive? It reduces the quality of your posts which are actually pretty decent most of the time and alienates members from liking, respecting, responding or taking your posts seriously. Your benching concerns were valid and then you finish off with a personal insult. Common man....

@Phoenix @Mr. Fox I'd be interested in some Wprime 1024 runs to see how your systems stack up in longer duration runs

 

That was my mistake. I'm human, and I am willing to admit it. Don't rupture anything fretting about it. I did not notice @Phoenix ran his on high. All one had to do is ask. Did you notice my opening comment was simply " Here are some scores with the 8700K in my P870DM-G running at stock multis and 1080 running stock clocks for comparison." or did you miss that? See results below.

1. Because W10 is an inferior product and delivers inferior results
2. Because I can, it is my preference, and I answer to no one about it
3. Because anyone can install W7 if they want to, assuming they have the ability

Notice the lower score with W10? Enough said.

This is your mistake. It's running at default Intel multipliers and cache, exactly as I stated. It is not overclocked. Under full load it is 4.3GHz. Here is a link you might find useful. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_i7/i7-8700k

Really? What's up with the name-calling? The obtuse nature of your persona and caustic tone of your posts alone answers this question for all who read them, but here are the results that you asked for. Stock CPU core ratios and stock GPU clocks. Yes, that is a W10 run. And, no... it didn't lose.

It is only running 4.3GHz on all cores. What did you not see? Why such angst and being combative about so many things? What a shame. You could use that energy for something constructive and live a happier life. Those that actually do know me know I am a pleasant person, helpful, caring and passionate in my hatred of BGA filth. @Phoenix does not take it personal, and neither does anyone else with a proper perspective. The only folks that get their nose bent out of shape are those that feel compelled to make excuses for disposable trashbooks. It goes beyond how they perform, and relates to quality and serviceability, cost and a host of other degraded attributes of BGA that the astute consumer clearly understands. Those that do not will understand when the day comes they have to purchase a motherboard on an out of warranty machine, or one damaged by user error that is not covered by warranty. The price alone will ruin their day, and if they had a nice CPU sample welded to their motherboard, that might not be the case with the replacement part.

Either blind, or simply lacks understanding, tact and diplomacy. It seems like he enjoys creating rifts rather than engaging others in a friendly manner. Clearly it is running at stock frequencies, but alleging otherwise distracts from the fact that the BGA i9 does not match the 8700K. It seems he has an agenda to discredit others rather than engaging in friendly discussion.

 

Why not go with a i7 7th gen and get a better graphics card like a 1070 for you gf? I don' kknow what she plans to do with it but the gpu is the most important thing in any rig for the most part as long as the cpu doesn't bottle neck it. Iv seen some laptops with the 8750 and 1050 or 1060 for around a grand to 1300. I think if you went 7th gen I7 and 1070 would probably be at the same price point.

For me I went with what I did for cooling and the graphics card. The cpu was a bonus though. For me and what I do this laptop will last me for years. If I need anything for major gaming at 4k+ graphics I'll just make a pc for that.

 

If you want help getting that back up and running so you don't have to buy a new printer let me know. I might have a few tricks that could fix it up for you since you seem to be technically inclined and capable. I have had success flushing at least 3 other printers in the same predicament as yours in the past.

As others have stated, I am jealous of the performance you own. The temps are outright impressive too.

 

Thanks bro, I threw the printer in the garbage today afternoon before I read your message.

I then remembered that I have an old Canon PIXMA MG3640 Printer which I installed and it's running fine.

 

I hope the tree-huggers don't know your address, or they'll be coming for you, LOL. I actually had a neighbor lecture me about that one time. He got very upset when I simply smiled and invited him to take it out of my garbage and do something different with it if he wanted to.

 

Lol that's hilarious. I trash pick electronics all the time. I like to harvest them for all their useful bits and pieces for DIY projects and interests I have.

Even old printers have a surprising amount of value in them whether you restore them to working condition or just harvest their components for resale/parts stock. Average consumer printers in general haven't gotten a whole lot cheaper over the years the way that computers and other devices have.

 

@Phoenix @Danishblunt nice defending there Phoenix. I think he missed the point that even if all 6 cores are locked at 4.3GHz that slightly before/between tests or after the test, the single cores would tend to boost up to 4.7GHz shortly before load is put on more cores again. And this does not only happen on core 0 or so, but randomly. Even my old damn AMD Phenom X6 1100T locked at 3.3GHz on all cores will show MAX clocks at the end of my gaming etc to be 3.7GHz (max for 1 core boost)... and it will show this on all cores, cause.... each one individually boosted to that speed at SOME point. I think the guy simply does not understand that.
On the side note, @Falkentyne, this old AMD has been running at 1.475V for the past 8+ years daily, was burnt by bad overclock+overheating at some point and still does a good job for me now before the new laptop arrives. Why oh why did you panic with the high voltages on the i9? Or are old AMD cpu's.... indestructible??? ^^
PS. my bf refused to repaste the poor PC, I could not even take off the cpu cooler few weeks ago when the temps got high outside... it was totally baked together

 

Lets try running a real world stress test like this, shall we (Let it run at least for 15-20 mins) -

No Cooling pad, ambient @ 30C (CPU side of the VC Heatsink cut out)

 

The cores are not all locked to 4.3GHz. They change dynamically based on the number of cores are in use. The way they are set for stock frequencies, when all 6 cores are in use they run a maximum of 4.3GHz.

For the 8700K, the default core clocks are as follows: 4,700 MHz (1 core), 4,600 MHz (2 cores), 4,500 MHz (3 cores), 4,400 MHz (4 cores), 4,400 MHz (5 cores), 4,300 MHz (6 cores).

For 8950HK, the default core clocks are 4,600 MHz (1 core), 4,300 MHz (6 cores) with the potential for 1 core to boost another 200MHz to 4800MHz as long as the CPU temperature is under 50°C. Multiple cores can be boosted +100 MHz below 50°C, so there is a potential for sustained clock speeds of 4400MHz on 6 cores if the temperatures stay low enough. Intel has invented the name "Thermal Velocity Boost" for this gimmick. There will likely be very few (if any) laptops that can benefit from this due to the 50°C limit. For it to have been useful, it should have been something like under 80°C.

 

Doesn't look to shabby, under 90c is alright. How are your temps on the GPU when playing a demanding game or doing a benchmark.

@Mr. Fox
Yeah I realize now that if no cores are used it will boost it to 4.7ghz on the cores.

However ur score is not stock, stock 8700K scores around low 1.4k, while all cores on 4.7ghz score around 1.5kish.

 

30 mins of Unigen heaven (4k Ultra everything) / Firestrike Ultra stress test, with the CPU side of the heatsink literally cut off, GPU's max out @ 86C/88C with a +150 OC on the core and +400 on the memory.

Again mind you, the ambient is at a hot 30C, once i turn on the AC and drop the temps to 22C with humidity dropping form 60% to 40%, the temps drop by about 7-8C across the board. Making 4.7Ghz easily usable.

 

I can put in this... The "Thermal Velocity Boost" feature Scam couldn't even be used in any of the benchmarks on first page! Worth $200 usd ? Nope. Maybe people will feel it if they load up a web page? Intel could just push out a new much cheaper i7-8820Hk or even i7-8950Hk and people wouldn't see a damn difference.

 

Do you have a picture somewhere on that cut? I am wondering how that looks like. Also I assume you're using liquid metal.

 

That is exactly what I meant by being locked at 4.3GHz when all 6 are used (just wording/english language fail I guess). ^^ I do know there are more steps for other cores, but 4.7 will be the max for single core performance. I actually did a quick google search to make sure I was right before going into discussion with anyone.
Interesting to know about how the thermal velocity stuff works, it seems like pointless marketing - I mean, how long will the cpu stay below 50 when being used? Even with your mods it can't do that in situations where it would be useful. Still stuck with overclocking it manually anyway imo.

 

I dont have one right now, but ill take one tonight once im home. It looks ugly because i was lazy to go grab the heavy duty cutters from the garage. Just used what was at hand - wire cutters.

4.6Ghz is using LM.
4.5Ghz is using Phobya nano Grease Extreme. (Kryonaut is about 1-2C, lower than this)

 

You are assuming that only because that is what an average system score is as published by ordinary people. It is understandable that you would have such an assumption, but my systems are not average. There are variables that you are not accounting for. My OS installations are not average and that has a lot to do with the scores, whether stock or overclocked. @Phoenix also doesn't run an average OS configuration. Others may see lower benchmark results with the same system than what he has demonstrated.

But, whether you believe it or not, that Cinebench example was not overclocked. It was 43x6, using default core ratios and cache ratio. It was Windows 7 with no bloatware feces installed, services optimized, drivers that work best (even if they are older), etc. Nothing really runs well with a default OS installation--especially a default Windows 10 installation. I do not run with default (unnecessary) services, all Windoze Updates applied (some are truly garbage) and the "latest and not-so-greatest" drivers. If all things are equal, which is often not the case, a 6 core/12 thread same generation CPU running at a specific clock speed is going to have nearly identical scores whether the CPU is mounted in a socket or BGA.

Where the more pronounced performance differences occur is overclocking, TDP, bin quality, customized firmware settings, user skill, temperatures, etc. This is were the BGA versus LGA gap widens. As a general rule, BGA plateaus sooner and reaches a functional limit sooner unless the LGA processor is a poor sample. It can also go the other way, and one can get a better than average sample (BGA or LGA) that is not exemplary of the norm. BGA processors are generally noted for being of inferior quality compared to LGA. They often run hotter and often require substantially more voltage, which, in turn, makes them run even hotter. Paired with a Mickey Mouse cooling system and a thin chassis, this is the bane of laptop existence. What the OEM/ODM psychopaths do with firmware and supporting hardware (such as power phases, VRMs, etc.) further skews results and in essentially all cases BGA performance is going to be artificially neutered due to their incompetence and wickedness. Hardware and firmware mods help, but it is difficult to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

The information in reply to your post was mostly for context, not an indication that I thought you were not aware of the technical details as much as for all others reading the thread, some of whom may not know. Manual overclocking is always best anyway. I almost never run any of my systems at stock clocks. I manually overclock everything because performance is much better, and because it is more fun. With all of the silly gimmicks out there, especially with Intel and NVIDIA, it is a miracle that any of us can keep any of it straight. Maybe they didn't get as much hype as they hoped for with worthless Speed Shift crapnology and they needed a new gimmick to fan the fanboy flames, LOL. Consumer ignorance is often lucrative.

 

@Danishblunt -

Spoiler

 

Thats exacly what I account for, and thats why I find your results to be absolute useless when saying "stock", its always a red flag since I know u're never on stock.

That's what I mean with CPU benchmarks are fickle. If you would give phoenix notebook the same treatment in terms of OS etc. he would score much better as well, and that's the point. Hardware wise there isn't much going on.

And no, I do believe you, I know how cinebench works, and after @Phoenix is starting overclocking etc, I'll show him how to do the same as you're doing if he's willing to let me help him out, he will be getting much higher scores.

In this case I agree as well, however the performance gap in this case will not widen as much as you think since the MSI has much better cooling, hence more overhead. Also we do not know how the I9 series CPU's are binned yet, you assume they are inferior to LGA but in reality you do not know yet.

Yeah only this time NVIDIA started limiting their GPU to their consumers so they can release their next pascal cards which are simply more optimized and tell people "hey they are better!" despite being the same cards only slighlty modified.

@ bloodhawk
That looks really brutal haha as if you ripped it out

 

Well, I must say that your definition of a "red flag" is yours, and yours alone. That does not mean everyone needs to adapt to your thought process, nor does it mean your definition or thought process is more relevant. I will extend the courtesy of accepting you have a different view and it doesn't make me upset that you have a different perspective.

It's too convenient to call every result that is better that you expect it to be a "red flag" LOL. My results are only useless for people obsessed with measuring stock versus stock. If I ran everything stock, I would not be so successful as an overclocker in the Enthusiast league. I would be a failure at that endeavor. Now, I know that not everyone respects that, which is fine. Different strokes... But, those whose respect I care about do respect it. I don't give any thought to the rest because it's just not important to me. Although, it is nice to have friendly and civilized interactions with everyone regardless of their opinions. That's something I strive for because good relationships are valuable.

And, you are correct, in part. My core ratios and cache were stock, but my OSes are not. In order to give that kind of comparison, I would have to undo a lot of things that required too much effort to correct for a meaningless test, and I've got no time to waste on silly things like that. The way I see it, there is no point in running everything stock because that would absolutely suck. Those with the knowledge and skill to make things better do not run everything stock unless they are lazy or do not care about optimal results. What I find to be worthless is systems that are run the way they left the factory. Nothing is ever worth a damn the way it leaves the factory, and measuring that is pointless to me. No matter how good it might be, it is never good enough and there is always room for improvement... some systems more than others, but potential in the right hands is what really matters.

So, on that note, let's start with some modest results and see where it leads. Here are a couple of rather boring 4.8GHz runs for @Phoenix to shoot for when he begins overclocking. If the BGA i9 is all that, then 4.8GHz (48x6) should be a totally effortless overclocking endeavor for a laptop as bulky and truly worthy of having been endowed with an LGA CPU as this new MSI (really unfortunate that it is not). Don't forget about the RAM. Any system decent at overclocking is going to include running the memory faster than stock. I have some el cheapo open-box from NewEgg gamer-boy Kingston HyperX Impact 2400 (with no factory XMP profile) someone RMA'd that is manually overclocked to 3000 CL15.

If he can match or beat these results, then we will push the envelope further to see at what point that i9 peters out when its back is against the wall. Might be interesting, and all in good fun. No need to be concerned about making me sweat. It won't... I like seeing good results, even on products that I would never consider owning. And, it won't make BGA OK (nothing ever will) but it will make it a little more tolerable, and it will most likely be better than anything we have seen from disposable turdbooks thus far. (It should be better, because if not that would be really messed up.) I will say that it is nice to finally, after all this time, see one BGA CPU that is not so pathetically undernourished on TDP. Great news for the people willing to put up with that nonsense. Everyone likes seeing better results and hearing good news. Fun stuff.

 

Eh... guys ( @Danishblunt and @Mr. Fox ): I think we are forgetting that Phoenix's system is NOT stock either. The clocks are, but the bios was modified, the cooling was modified etc. His results are NOT stock system results whatsoever. The way most people that are not from US will get this system is with msi factory junk on it, overheating, dropping frames and underperforming overall. Even in the video Phoenix said he does not even have dragon center cause it messes with his overclock settings. Nowhere near stock aside from the clocks in the test. And remember that he paid like 10k for that thing??
But, I found this nice review (sorry for the external review) that shows how it comes stock out of the box:
https://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/...-gaming-laptop-review-core-i9-gtx-1080-beast/
And no you do not need to watch the video, just move over the pages and you will have a good idea. 94 degrees+ after cinebench run/gaming on CPU, lower scores (1344 cinebench score) etc. And I seriously doubt they would overclock it given those temps and scores... like ever. It is just no good AT ALL when stock and it is the same cpu+gpu. All the hate for BGA laptops is welcome in that moment.
I am totally happy living with the knowledge that if my cpu/motherboard craps on itself that I can maybe attempt to sell the mxm gpu to get few hundred euro back after warranty. I also hope at the same time that such a thing never ever happens in the next 10 years at least (yes I have ambitious plans for the laptop in regard to its life span). Others might not even be willing to take the risk and they are totally right to hate these laptops ^^

 

@Phoenix Out of curiosity, when you say "Service panel vent mod"

What is that mod exactly?

Thank you good sir.

 

That's a very clean mod, I may have to steal this idea.

Thanks !

 

That'll drop your temps anywhere between 3C to 5C. Every degree matters

 

Yeah, that's what she said

All jokes aside, I just need to find the right tool to cut said hole, but I remember seeing a post from a user here who had done said mod.

 

All very good points. Yes, stock is crap 99.9% of the time, and laptops are the poster child of broken garbage... all of them are garbage in varying degrees, and all with more than one objectionable attribute; and, all castrated by design by the idiots that build them.