MSI GT75 TITAN 8RG-094 Review by Ultra Male

You need to buy a hole saw. You can get them on Amazon. You need an electric drill if you do not already have one. It is super easy, but remember to measure twice, cut once. I talk about the mod in this video.

 

After searching up "hole saw" yeah, it look really easy, thanks!

 

No problem. The video shows how effective it is, and I addressed the nonsensical objections of the critics. It is really awesome to see a company like HIDevolution take ideas that work and make them part of their process.

 

Be sure to buy the finest tooth (highest tooth count) hole saw you can find and pre-drill your pilot (center) hole with a small drill bit first before using a hole cutter with a larger center bit. A half round fine file is helpful for cleaning up the edges, maybe even a touch of sand paper too depending on your skill and final outcome. Custom fabrications are fun. (^_^)

 

And, run the drill slowly while cutting from the inside. Place the aesthetically important exterior finish on a soft surface to prevent marring from the vibration while drilling. If you cut from the outside and the drill or hole saw accidentally slips, you will have a scarred up mess to look at when you are done.

 

Ah yes important details indeed. Run it slowww with very minimal downward pressure so as not to make it chunk and bite hard then spin the whole panel around and potentially whack something (like the rest of the laptop sitting on the table next to the panel you're working on) off the table, or crack the panel from such an impact, lol. Proper tooling and procedure saves laptops. Patience also helps make them look better. Haha.

If you are lucky enough to have a wooden workbench or even a piece of plywood to work on, you can screw 4 to 8 screws around the very edges of the panel and use them to capture the panel from being able to slip or move in the XY direction. If you screw the screws down far enough their heads can be used to keeps bit of downward pressure on the panel in the Z direction too which helps keep it from shimmying and shaking and causing a chewed up looking mess. Don't forget the cardboard or sheets of paper too preserve the exterior outward facing finish though as MrFox mentioned put that between the plastic panel and the wood surface (newspaper is a good candidate too).

 

I can definitely tell this is not your first rodeo. Been there, done that... so many mistakes in the prime of our youth, as we hurry about to do exciting things as fast as we can.

 

So true!

I added a big edit to that post which shares an easy way to prevent that exact mishap and adds a few more details to the picture described.

Thankfully I have not actually done the scenario I described to myself, but I know a thing or two about fabrication and the right tools for the job and can easily picture most average people making those mistakes due to lack of forethought/experience/proper tooling. I am trying to save people money and misery.

But yes, in my youth I have made some janky mods that I would now do completely differently now that I know a bit more about fabrication/manufacturing processes in general. So many people do stuff half-*** and that just isn't how I was raised. Either do the job right and to the best of your abilities or don't even bother at all.

An unfortunate case and point that should not have ended in a laptop death (it's a quick read, only 3 pages total):

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/remove-stripped-screw.813167/

A vanilla problem like that should have been a basic, quick and easy fix with the right tools, knowledge, skill, and patience. I consider it digital surgery and it should be treated seriously as such.

 

@Papusan

Meet our newest member to the Phoenix emoticons collection:

 

My laptop arrived (gt75 8rg with i7-8750H). After some driver issues that were solved by insane amount of updates... I am impressed with the assassins creed origins performance. There is no throttling AT ALL, but it is very loud and runs pretty hot (since I am below 80 I guess I could lower fan speed some more but nah). I also notice some noise from cpu fan, same issue as my gt72vr 6re suffered from. Keep in mind ambient temps are at 25-26 here now: CPU dead set at 3.9GHz and GPU at 1848. Everything is very smooth and fps difference is tremendous against my old throttling gt72vr 6re. I went from 40 in some areas to over 60. Min fps went from like 5 to over 50 (not bad huh)
I can't get used to the keyboard just yet as it requires more force than normal laptop keyboard or even my brown switches mechanical keyboard. It is extremely clicky: in short I would not recommend the laptop to someone who wants silence. At all. Even with liquid metal, the keyboard will spoil it all. Know those extremely clicky mouse buttons? Imagine every key sounding like that.

I would declare the performance of this laptop as awesome but loud/hot out of the box. CPU voltage does go up to 1.3V so lowering that would probably help a lot. But for now, enjoy the raw FULLY STOCK and pointless AC:Origins footage on this beast.


PS. it is so stock I even used the built in recording in standard instead of high quality ^^ my bad but gonna sleep now.
One more thing: I did use advanced fans. Curve in video description. (yep dragon center is there too)

 

Sounds awesome, but I've reached a point in my life where ear sensitivity is a concern. What the P775DM3-G taught me was that I can't focus with obtuse fan noise and/or certain frequencies. Last time I heard fans that bad were the old Alienware m17 w/ Core2Quad and dual 4850's. I returned it so quick....so VERY quick.

The last, good notebook that had very acceptable fan noise was the P870DM-G before Clevo put in better and ear crushingly bad (both volume and pitch) in their sequels after that. I helped a buddy with his TM1 and it was like nails on the chalk board even after I delidded LM and nanogreased it. As soon as the fans hit midway through their curve I was cringing.

I do like that MSI at least keeps the GPU in MXM format in case it fails/upgrades. I still get salty over BGA though but that's personal preference. Besides BGA, this laptop seems pretty wicked.

How would you say the noise stacks up against any of those models while gaming or previous models you've owned?

 

it has a very low humming noise for the fans when doing normal tasks like web browsing or watching videos which is normal for a laptop with a 6 core and such high clock frequencies. While gaming and the fans ramp up, I don't even hear them because of how loud and punchy the speakers are.

 

Thanks for your input .
Time to think about it to sell the GT75VR 7rf or not. I was sure that the cooling system can't handle the 6 core ladies from Intel but good to see that my concerns are wrong.

 

That is your laptop ^^ my gt75 is atm stock af exactly as it rolled off the production line in China. A Chinese put it in a box and I took it out, nothing in between. No fancy liquid metal or cover mod involved. No bios settings involved yet. It probably has toothpaste for cooling it.
And with ambient temps of 26 the fans do spin up to over 2000 rpm to keep it at around 50 degrees when doing normal tasks. It's in fact a bit annoying at night. I had in total 2 msi laptops in house so far and both had cpu fan noise beyond 2000 rpm. Gpu fan was perfect on both. Not sure what goes wrong with their cpu fans?

 

My ambient temp is 24C is if I set the AC to 23C then the fans go silent after a while but that is just browsing the net. Even when I run a FireStrike test they barely spin up and I consider them quiet compared to other taptops

 

No doubt yours is silent. You have liquid metal installed and a crazy bottom mod. Mine does not, it's on factory paste ^^ And the voltages have not been fixed yet. I am just saying that the way it comes from factory it is loud as hell.I am still 100% impressed with the performance though, did not expect the cpu and gpu clocks to be so damn stable, gonna try to see if that is actually legit in a bit.
Also regarding fan noise - you could have lucked out. Both my gt72vr and the gt75 have clear chirpy/grindy noise to the cpu fan (it's not loud but it is a bit annoying). That is still a sample size of 2, which means others can have different experiences. Also your system was 100% inspected by hidevolution before you got it, mine was last seen by some chinese in taiwan among other pile of msi laptops. ^^

 

On my Dell 7577 with 2 fans, 1 of them can be heard ever so slightly scrubbing when you move the laptop around (like walking with it in your hands while it is on and the fans are spinning or if you shake the laptop back and forth gently just a tiny bit) but only if you put your ear right up to the bottom of the case where the fan intakes are.

It's nothing critical, as my performance is fine, but it makes me wonder if it is the reason my fans are usually off by a few hundred RPMs from each other when they are both on. That creates an annoying harmonic that comes and goes due to the few hundred RPM difference and the fans spinning up and down differently.

Their hum isn't bad when browsing and doing light tasks but I swear they have a slightly higher and edgier more annoying tone at their lower RPMs than my first 7577 did that had to be replaced (and had no fan scrub on either fan).

I figure at some point I will inspect the fans for myself and/or replace/upgrade them in the future but for now I'm not going to worry about it.

The harmonic reminds me of when I was a kid and my mom used to vacuum the house and I would hum very loudly with my mouth closed, trying to match the exact pitch/rpm of the vacuum and you could hear as you were approaching the frequency, hit it, or went past it. Lol

 

Benchmark scores updates, now with a 10% increase in performance with the latest nVIDIA Drivers v397.64

 

Ha, I remember doing that when I was a kid. If you got the exact pitch sometimes you could feel a very slight tingling sonic vibration between your upper and lower teeth if your jaws were not squeeze together too tightly, LOL.

 

@Phoenix I just noticed I am missing gsync from nvidia panel... does your gt75 have gsync? Which bios are you on? Is your gpu device ID also 10DE 1BE0 - 1462 1220?
I will have to try update the bios I think.... >.> Or is there anything else that seems off or could cause this?

 

What's the temp before and after driver update?

Sent from my iPhone X Papusan edition using Tapatalk

 

I am on BIOS E17A3IMS.10A which fixes the missing GSYNC for GT75 models other than the 094 which I have. Some laptops had the missing GSYNC but the BIOS updates fixes that.

my GPU Device ID is:

10DE 1BE0 - 1462 1220

 

@Phoenix thank god I thought there was something wrong. I will update the bios when I have some quiet time then, as well as fix the voltages. ^^
Guess it was one of those moments of "damn we gotta release the laptop with 6 core cpu's first before anyone else... don't have nvidia's permission for gsync OR new drivers? Who cares! Those things can wait, as long as we are the best and greatest first....."

PS. in the video I put up with assassins creed origins the cpu frequency readouts are wrong (in reality it fluctuates between 3.88GHz and 3.94 or so) - no throttling though even on max load and the gpu clocks are actually correct: stable af.

 

when the BIOS is updating, even if the screen goes black for a long while, DO NOT force shut it down, let it do its thing and when you see the MSI logo, hit delete quickly to go into BIOS and reconfigure your settings like boot mode AHCI or RAID

 

I need to clarify Phoenix's message slightly, assuming this still applies.
When the Bios is updating, you will have a 60 second or longer black screen, followed by the power light cycling on and off once.
Then you may have another long black screen, followed by several boot loops with the MSI logo appearing and vanishing.
After an annoying cycle of these, then it "lets you in."

I do not know if this persists on the new 6 core systems, so perhaps I should just keep my mouth shut, but just saying if you see that, you will know what's going on.

 

Thank you guys it's really helpful ^^ Regarding the raid stuff... I never dealt with that, I will first have to go check where to find all those things. I do have 2 ssd's in raid apparently not that I even need it... anyway I will boot into bios first and note down ALL the settings so I can change them back when it updates since I just have no clue atm. Very good tip!

 

@Falkentyne is correct, basically, never shut the taptop down manually unless you want it to transform into a brick

If you haven't changed any settings or overclocked, the only thing you need to change back is change the mode from AHCI to RAID, I think that's at the top of the 2nd tab, just fish for it

 

So, eGPU and that hardware switch is gone for good?

 

I think eGPU can be connected via the Thunderbolt port.

If you were meaning to say the Integrated Intel GPU, it's not gone, it's permanently disabled now and you only have the nVIDIa GPU and the button which switches GPUs which is right underneath the power button now just launches the Dragon Center. Do I miss it? Heck no, I never used the Integrated GPU in the 1.5 years time that I've had my previous GT73VR Titan Pro, not once. In fact I like it this way, one less driver to install. Would it bother some people? maybe, the ones who take their taptops out and about a lot and want that extra battery life.

The Integrated GPU is actually still there but disabled in the BIOS by MSI

 

I’m actually happy it’s gone cause I had to sell my GT73 as it was booting up to black screen 50% of a time and there was no fix for that...

 

There is a fix, I’m on my phone now so my brother @Falkentyne can tell you how easy the fix was

 

If you want to use the iGPU you need to either manually unlock the Bios menus (the method has been tested to work) via Paloesco's thread in the main MSI section and AMIBCP 5.0.2 and FPTW64, or donate to SVET to have him do it for you risk free.

Paloesco's method has been tested by another user to work. But is not the most easy method to do, and is VERY time consuming (setting menus to "Supervisor") since you also have to set submenus also.

If you only care about the iGPU, you need to set all options in System Agent->Graphics configuration (as well as the menus BEFORE THAT) to "Supervisor".

Direct all questions about such thing to Paloesco's thread. And that is at your own risk. Suggest you have a SPI programmer available so you can flash the backup you made too.
(or donate to SVET).

This is the only way.

 

No no no I don’t want it! @$#%! It

 

It's only easy if he unlocks the Bios menus to access it.
Otherwise there is no fix. Just a CMOS reset, which isn't a fix. More like us getting high on the same stuff MSI was smoking when their engineers allowed "Auto" to act as "ok it's disabled because I felt like it" on the "Enable PEG Root Port 1" option.

To actually clear CMOS to get a display again, you need to keep the power button depressed for 60 seconds. But there's NO guarantee you will not get a black screen again if you ever decide to use the iGPU, without accessing the "Bugged" hidden Bios option.

 

Test MSI GT75 8RG Titanium (i9-8950HK - GTX 1080) laptop-Notebookcheck.com
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...950h-coffee-lake.810891/page-72#post-10726927

More correct is 62db

 

I think that is actually louder than what some complained about with the P870DM3 fans being too loud, and as loud as my Vardar Furious fans running full blast.

 

Yeah, correct. If it was possible put in 1080 Sli in the Msibook Gt75 maybe we would see nearer 70db?

 

Ahahahah I just opened the review... 90-99 degrees nearly on all cores... gpu fried at over 80... Severe throttling lolololol. Damn, are you trying to say that the i7 8750H version is... a lot better performer at stock??? Than i9???? What a JOKE. And that is with room temp of 20! Damn 20... The little AC:Origins video I posted was with ambient temp of 26 LOL. I am dying here. Someone save me!

 

AFAIK all the big LGA Clevos are over 60dB as well with max fans. But still, so much for the claims by certain notorious members that MSIbooks have superior noise advantage.

 

After running AIDA64 stress test, several gaming benchmarks, and an hour and a half of intense gaming with all Ultimate settings, with -80 mV, the BIOS mod that @Falkentyne and @Phoenix developed, the Bottom Ventilation Mod from the brain of @Mr. Fox , and Grizzly Conductonaut + Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads we are getting the maximum spikes of:

GPU = 70-76C
CPU = 76-79C

There is a range because these are the results of testing on several different units.

We are also working with MSI to make the simple modifications to the BIOS that @Falkentyne and @Phoenix developed. However, be patient. "Micro-Star International Co., Ltd (MSI) was established in August 1986 by 5 founders, one of the world's largest information technology manufacturers." (er, can you say 'bureaucracy'?)

 

Even back in 2015 there is no performance hit going from Windows 7 to 8.1 to 10. Things have improved dramatically since then. Plus, you lose DX12 and other improvements for gaming. I don't understand why folks will spend $5K+ for a 10lb laptop and run an outdated OS on it.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/page7.html

 

Just ran some firestrike... the laptop is very loud and toasty, with gpu up to 86 degrees. I think I should up my fans a bit, they are only on 55% max now.
EDIT: the noise is really the fan. Setting to auto to reduce speed will make the noise stop until the fan spins up again.

 

@Mr. Fox 's numbers are from 2018, and I trust him in regards to overclocking and benchmarking more than any "professional" reviewer or website out there.

 

Thanks, bro. Yeah, people that say there is no performance hit are either not good at measuring, or using the wrong tools for the job. There are only a few benchmarks that score better on Windows 10. But, even if that were accurate, Windoze OS X would still be a nasty piece of doggy dung. The ludicrous perception that newer always means better explains why we have so much garbage today. Every version release is smellier and more screwed up than the one before. It is an unaesthetic, bloated malware abortion created by idiots that are an abject failure in the field of technology. The are also back-stabbing control freaks that care only about monopolizing everything with their utopian dystopian world of UWP garbageware. They are on a mission to kill everything that PC enthusiasts hold dear, and replace everything awesome with locked-down disposable trash that can only be used the way they want it to be used... an XBOX in every laptop. No thanks.

I exploit each OS for its own merits. I dual boot and use the one that works best for the task at hand. About 8 out of 10 tasks, Windows 7 does a better job. A Windoze OS X fanboy will never admit that. They love the Kool-Aid too much to be honest. Some of them are even worse than the crApple fanboys at this point.

Never should expect the truth from a fanboy shill-mill like that, as they will not bite the hand that feeds them... Even when the hand is filthy. I have been waiting for 3 years for DX12 to be relevant... still waiting. So far it only seems to be a moldy carrot at the end of a stick to lead the dead horse to UWP sewage-tainted waters.

When you examine the volume of nonsense they publish, it is not that hard to trust the results of skilled people in a community like this that have no agenda to serve. We've already done our own testing and the numbers don't lie. The Redmond Mafia would railroad them for being honest about what a piece of crap Windoze 10 is. But, that's all I am going to say. Don't want to hijack this thread on such an unworthy debate over Windows 7 being the superior product. People can believe whatever they want to on the subject. The smart ones will decide for themselves rather than have some technology slop bucket tell them what to believe.

 

So you trust a dude on a forum that calls Windows 10 names to be fair and impartial to Windows 10, but not a tech review site independently looking at the pros and cons of each OS? OK.

 

No, I know for a fact that those dime a dozen tech review sites and YouTubers are by and large run by incompetent amateurs, not enthusiasts, as they have proven to me time and again with their lack of knowledge, experience, competency, and skill. There are very few good ones, I can probably count them on one hand. When people on forums and Reddit with regular nine to five jobs know more about the finer points of the subject matter than people whose job it is to know that stuff, that's when you know they suck.

 

The only problem is that Windows 7 will no longer be supplied with updates from 2020 onwards.
And even now, the updates come only sparsely.
I am also a proponent of Windows 7.
Windows 7 is stable.
Windows 10 generates a dump file for a number of driver errors.
You have to look with a dump viewer and translate.
And Windows 10 also generates a lot of homemade bugs through its own driver customization philosophy.
There are some pros and cons.
For example, I use MS VR glasses from Samsung Odyssey.
This is only supported by Windows 10.
So I also continue to have a dual OS.
Without Shutup I would not use Windows 10.
Then I would have bought another VR glasses.
On a small Tinker board I have Ubuntu 18.04 ELS running.
If I see it was possible here - then I would welcome it in the future if more compatibility for Linux Games exists.

 

@Phoenix @Falkentyne so I updated the bios... now my gpu is throttling to 139MHz under load. Feels like bd prochot all over again haha. Gonna try to reinstall the drivers, any other tips?

 

I had this yesterday, turned out to be the power cord was slightly unplugged. Make sure you are plugged in properly.

Did you GSYNC come back after updating the BIOS?

Also, make sure the power management mode in the nVIDIA Control Panel is set to Adaptive or High Performance followed by a reboot. Optimal (default setting) is garbage

 

Power cord is all the way in. Gsync up and present. Also it added oc section in bios that was missing before.

@Phoenix and @Falkentyne not sure which it was, clean installed the msi drivers (older ones) after removing everything with ddu, wiggled power cord and changed to adaptive. No more gpu throttling now. The power cord design is pretty crappy though, the 4pin plug does not sit in tight at all. Oh well, all is good now again.