MSI GT73VR 7RF Titan Pro-425 Review By Ultra Male

8000$ on a laptop! Dayummm!

 

I'm sure you know the prices for 2x Samsung 960 PRO 2TB + 850 EVO 1TB + 850 EVO 4TB + Sandisk 512GB Extreme PRO SD Card

 

Yeah i do! But man, al these just for a single beast! I guess i have to sell my car to get all these!

 

Then sell your car The post above was useless. People spend money on a lot. If you need huge storage space, You can't do much. Prices is what they are.

 

Papu that was a little harsh.
The average person is definitely going to be surprised by that. You can't blame him. And he didn't say anything disrespectful.
Someone spending $8,000 on a desktop if it were not for a specialized purpose (e.g. normal gamers and people doing basic office work, not anything trade or specialized) would be just as surprising. Except easier to exceed $8,000.

Yes the main cost was the storage drives. They cost more than the laptop.

Hell I remember spending $1,000 on a Pentium 4 extreme edition AND another $1,000 on a QX9650.

 

Dude my taptop was like 2900 USD or so, the SSDs cost north of 5K. Why? because I have a lot of data and I don't like depending on external storage. I like it all local

 

Who is opposing his descision? I'm not.
I just wanted to express my "Shock" of someone spending more then a car on a "single" laptop. I knwo if you need more storage there arent much options. I neither want to oppose you or phoenix!

 

It is no one's business what I or anyone spends! If I wanna burn my money I will! This is a review thread!. PERIOD! Not for people to start asking "oh why'd you spend so much" Go sort your own crap and let me spend what I want!

There's a reason you are on my ignore list and this is just one of them! You are one annoying fella!

 

Did i say i oppose you spending money? Did i sir? If you think i am annoying, i cant do much on that.

Look at my post above, i just expressed my simple "shock"(beacause i dont see people with the most expensive laptops everyday, and i get shocked when i do). I didnt say anything opposive.

This would be the last time I'm replying to any thread of yours(for you as you think i am annoying)
Sorry, if i did hurt you any indirect way, have a good day sir!

 

So what the heck is this:

Do you know what I work? how much money I have? maybe it's dayummm to you but itsn't to me. The word "Dayummmm " is an envious way of saying wow. This is not high school. We have grown up people here with actual jobs who can afford expensive toys.

Please, do not ever like, comment, rep, or have anything to do with me. Thank you.

 

@Phoenix , I know this is a review thread but I know you don’t take PMs but is there a way to see exactly what you do to your PC/Windows 10 to make it way better and more efficient, I’m willing to burn my money your way to have you help out, if not it’s cool, just want to make my PC be very efficient as I have seen many of your awesome scores in different benchmarks,{because I’m a total noob and I have just discovered the internet }

 

So it's been almost 9 months since I've pasted my CPU + GPU. Mind you, I used to always run my CPU @ 4.2 GHz on all cores and the temps were fine with Liquid Ultra. Recently, I have increased my overclock to 4.4 GHz and well, I didn't like how the temps looked, they were reaching to almost 93C-95C now that's only in stress tests but still, I would've liked them to be a bit lower although in my day to day usage the temps hoever around 85C in gaming or benchmarking

So today I replced Liquid Ultra with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut as I've heard great things about it lately.

To be fair, we have to take into consideration that it's been almost 9 months since I applied Liquid Ultra but still, when I removed the heatsink today, it was all there and not dry or messy.

Fans are on Auto for both tests not Max blast, I wanted to test how would it perform under heavy usage but with auto fans as that's how I use my laptop usually not with the fans on max. I only use Max fans when stress testing but NOT this time.

Liquid Ultra Temps:



Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Temps:

 

Same as mine for auto.
The fans have a speed step at 81C, then another at 88C, which is why your temps settle there.

BTW, have you tried Silent Option?

It lets you set the auto fan curves, without destroying your ICCMax or overclocks like Dragon Center does. It's basically ONLY the fan speed component that you saw in Dragon Center, nothing more. It's so nice I actually just keep it loaded on startup, even though I'm almost always using 100% fan speed. Shows CPU and GPU temps and fan RPM.

 

No dude I don't have a need for it with my usage

 

Nice to see you like conductonaut and lower temp

Could you test 2 rounds with Cinebench R15 with two sets of voltage for your 44x clock speed? One round with your prefered voltage, then raise it with 10 or 15mv. Best would be 2 rounds of each. And please no OpenGL The Great master Papusan want to the scores. Thanks

Not a record for 44x and 45x this day either. But still a nice goal for you. Coconut and lower temp means you can go for 45x as well. Same procedure as above.

Spoiler: Cinebench R15 (44x + 45x)

44x 45x

Edit. I forgot. And no Hwinfo (Go for max scores).

 

Testing shortly....

 

I'm sure you won't boil your BGA with 4.5GHz and Coconut Liquid metal

 

I'll try now that I have a coconut

 

IA/DC Loadline = 10 / 1.235V @ 4.4 GHz



IA/DC Loadline = 10 / 1.250V @ 4.4 GHz



IA/DC Loadline =0 / Adaptive Voltage with no offset @ 4.4 GHz



IA/DC Loadline = 10 / 1.250V @ 4.5 GHz



No apps were closed during testing as I didn't wanna close more than 10 apps every time so add +15 points to each score with all apps closed

And the final result @ 4.5 GHz with all apps closed, beating my previous score of 971!!

 

@Falkentyne @Mr. Fox @Papusan

so here are my temps @ 4.5 GHz with 1.250V and 200A VR Current Limit

Fans on Auto =



Fans on Max =



Very impressive for a BGA 7820HK CPU and this Thermal Grizzly Coconut paste is really good

 

That's VERY impressive for 1.27v VID !
Have you tried lowering the voltage however?
If you're using static (override) voltages, start at 1.20v and go from there, if you have the time and are also willing to check windows event viewer for WHEA correctable errors (if you are not crashing).

I see you tweaked the IA AC DC loadline setting with a VID variance of only 30mv!

 

All increase in scores is welcomed Closed apps. Same for AV? And I expect you tested with same 1.250V as in Aida64.

@Falkentyne could you test with same settings? Both with adaptive and static voltage as tested above. Test also without touching IA/DC Loadline settings. Aka fully package. I need to understand this scores.

 

@Papusan i cant do that!

1.25v without changing IA AC DC Loadline will shut off the VRM's with any AVX load!!
This is a JOKEBOOK!! Not a laptop!!!! it has CANCER EC!

Do you rememeber what i told you in PM??

You can do the math.

1.25v + (80 amps x 0.0018 Ohms= 0.144v)= 1.394v !!

And that's assuming it's only drawing 80 amps. More than 80 amps=higher vcore.

However I can do it at 4.5 ghz at my stable voltage of 1.178v. (IA AC DC Loadline set to 1).

 

I don't talk about AVX or any of this. I talk about what I mentioned in my previous post. Use whatever voltage needed. Or ask @Phoenix exactly what's used for his Cinebench tests.

 

You said run AIDA stress test at 4.5 ghz without changing IA AC DC loadline. But you told me in PM that AIDA64 stress test uses AVX instructions...

Or you want me to just run cinebench without changing IA AC DC?
But at what voltage?

I can run cinebench at 1.178v at 4.5 .ghz but at default IA AC DC Loadline, it will be about 1.3v.

I'll go do it right now.

My BGA slug doesn't need 1.25v for 4.5 ghz. it can do 4.7 ghz at 1.272v, with IA AC DC loadline=1, stable.

(But if i set IA AC DC loadline back to auto, the laptop will shut off).

BGABOOk
Jokebook
Turdbook

AN UGLY CHILD IS KNOWN BY MANY NAMES!

 

Test 1: Cinebench: 3 consecutive runs:

4500 mhz, Spread Spectrum=0% (overclocking performance menu), voltage =1.178 static, Core IA AC DC loadline=1, RAM: 15/15/15/35, Command Rate 1T, tRFC=270, tREFI=65535. (kingston 2400mhz valueram, 4x8GB): fans 100%

 

Test 2:
Cinebench, 3 runs.
4500 mhz, 15/15/15/35 1T, etc etc,
Voltage=1.178v static,
IA AC DC loadline=Auto (default).
fans 100%

Look at that power draw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

@Papusan @Falkentyne @Mr. Fox

Here is 4.6 GHz stable with a 1.3V and 800A VR Current Limit and IA/DC Loadline = 10

The FireStrike score is low because I didn't overclock my GPU

 

@Falkentyne

 

yeah i always set the IA/DC loadline to 10 as you taught me

I can't lower the voltage for 4.6 GHz lower than 1.3V or else I crash

 

Test 3:
Aida64 stabilty test, first 4 checkboxes
4500 mhz, 15/15/15/35 1T, trefi 65535 trfc 270
1.178v static, core iA AC DC loadline=1

 

Firstly, what the heck is this: 15/15/15/35 1T, trefi 65535 trfc 270

Secondly, how on earth are you surviving that low voltage @ 4.5 GHz that's insane

what is your IA/DC Loadline? 10?

For my 4.6 GHz I wasn't able to get it stable below 1.3V. Any suggestions for that to make the temps even cooler?

 

@Phoenix
@Papusan
Something is wrong with your 4.6 ghz AIDA test.
Please check your settings.

I just tried

4500 mhz, 1.178v static, IA AC DC loadline=Auto (0),
AIDA test: 4 boxes checked.

CPU package power was 95W instantly.

Laptop shut off and rebooted in 10 seconds.
it was not a BSOD.
it was overcurrent overload.
Because the laptop shut off and the power LED turned off and back on in half a second.
Overcurrent protection (AMPS overload).

Your IA AC DC Loadline could not have been at "0" at 4600 mhz at 1.3v voltage, or your laptop would have turned off instantly. The key is your power draw...lower than mine at 4.5 ghz (before my laptop shut off by itself).

 

Here are my settings for 4.6 GHz

IA/DC Loadline = Both set to 10
VR Current Limit = 800
CPU Voltage = 1.3V (Static)
Offset = 0
Ring Max = 46X and Ring Min = 0

Anything lower than 1.3V would result in a crash

1.260V would not even boot to the desktop BSOD
1.280V would boot to the desktop but crashes in benchmarks (Cinebench was the first test)
1.3V = Stable but obviously with higher temps

What I don't understand is how the heck can you have such a low voltage on 4.5 GHz

 

@Falkentyne

Tech me how to change my command rates bro

My 64GB RAM is: Kingston MSI24D4S7D8MB-16 2400 MHz. (17-17-17-39) 64GB DDR4 RAM

Tell me where to change it, what to change, and what is a safe value

 

In your previous post, you said IA AC DC loadline was set to 0, not 10

Here is what happened when i had it at 4500 mhz, IA AC DC=0 (auto), 1.178v voltage static.
I just rebooted to 4700 mhz (i set IA AC DC loadline=1 again) and loaded AIDA and it gave me the error from the (failed) test at 4500 mhz with IA AC DC = 0:

 

oh sorry that was a typo then, I always have IA/DC Loadline to 10

 

My CPU is king of the turds. King BGAbook @Papusan Lord of the cancer slugs @Mr. Fox

Anyway, here is 4700 mhz, Core IA AC DC loadline=1, voltage=1.272v static override.

Only 2 minutes because temps were getting too hot and power draw was too high. It was using AVX loads and I knew from experience the laptop would shut off eventually if i let it keep running because of the cancer EC (it seems to have a load amps/temp protection algorithm, so that means Beast Dragon may have been right, that the MSI rep said that each laptop has a built in protection where it will shut off if the load is too high it would cause the system to overheat (because, assuming all users are using STOCK PASTE!!!)

 

Your voltage requirements seem like they are better than most BGA procs, so it looks like you got lucky in the silicon lottery. Congratulations on that, bro. Very nice.

I would ignore average temps as they are not particularly meaningful in the grand scheme of things. Max temps are what cause damage and behavioral issues, and average numbers are a distraction from how hot your CPU is getting. Those max temps are higher than what I saw with 5.2GHz on the DM3 I used to have and higher than what I am seeing at 5.0GHz with the DM-G. I have the average column disabled in HWiNFO64 because the maximum column is where I focus my efforts on temperatures.

 

Thanks bro, just in case you missed the 4.6 GHz overclock: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...eview-by-phoenix.801314/page-33#post-10690784\

I will ignore the average temps from now on

 

@Phoenix Can you tell exactly what settings you used for 4.5@Cinebench R15 ? I want that @Falkentyne replicate same settings (as well if AV was off or on) and run Cinebench the same way. Thanks

 

you are still not telling me how are you getting away with such high clocks at those low voltages?

shall I change my IC/DC Loadline from 10 to something else?

 

The AV was always disabled

For 4.5 GHz.

CPU Voltage = 1250 (static)
VR Current Limit = 800
IA/DC Loadline = 10
Ring Max = 45
Ring Min = 0
Energy Efficient Turbo = Disabled

 

Because I'm still doing what professor @Papusan told me to do and am still running tests

Final test:
4700 mhz, 1.272v static, core ia ac dc loadline=1, Cinebench 3 runs:

 

Wow! Dude your temps are insane! what are you also living in a refrigerator or is an AC blowing straight at your taptop?

 

@Falkentyne

What chipset do you have? CM238 or HM175?

 

Get to that in a bit. Still running tests.
My laptop shutting off at 4500 mhz with IA AC DC loadline=Auto in AIDA64 really scared me...it was only 95W, which means it was AMPS overload because VID Boost 1.178v+90 amps * .0018 Ohms means the real voltage was probably around 1.34v...(90 amps is guessing).

Anyway:

Cinebench 4600 mhz. Trying to match your settings:
voltage 1.272v (same as 4.7 ghz), IA AC DC loadline=1

Note: my RING is forced at 3 lower than core because i am using throttlestop (so x43 ring). the 4700 mhz test was x44 ring and 4500 mhz was x42 ring:



@Papusan is phoenix's score too low or is it RAM timings?
@Phoenix: same as yours: CM238.

 

I expect you and Phoenix run 2400 ram speed. You with faster timings. I think 1.5% is a too big difference. Test 4.5GHz vs. Phoenix 4.5@985cb

 

Check last page.I got 1004cb. Already posted screenshot. I posted 4.5g, 4.6g and 4.7g.

 

Sorry. 4.5GHz increased the difference.... I have showed you this one before Cinebench R15 CPU scaling (ram). Both of you run dual channel and same ram speed. Only a minor difference in ram settings. Not as dual vs. single channel ram.