MSI GE63VR / GE73VR Raider Laptops

Hi, so another random question. Help me understand this things. I was playing battlefield the other day and saw GPU usage drops to 40% from 80% after selecting the spawn point. And also it never stays above 90% for some reason resulting in low FPS.
I played with HWinfo open and saw this results.
1. Performance Limit - Power - yes on Max and Current
2. Performance Limit - Reliability Voltage - Yes on MAX
3. Performance Limit - Utilization - Yes
Thank you
Edited - And also GPU temp 70C and CPU temp 80C

 

any of you try FINAL FANTASY XII THE ZODIAC AGE?

debating buying it on steam or switch

 

Did you ever find a fix for this!? I am having the same problem. I am barely pushing 70fps on Fortnite and 70 or so on Battlefront 2 with okay temps (around 85) and changing the graphical quality doesn't change FPS at all. I have heard this is classic CPU bottleneck but it is only at like 60%? I have heard it is because of the single 16gb stick of ram rather than dual 8 sticks but I am not wanting to spend 120$ or so for another 16gb stick of ram when I don't need the extra ram, just better fps. If you did get more ram, which one did you get?

 

Any Luck!? I am having the same problems and have a single channel 16GB stick. If another stick of ram running dual channel helps, which one would I get?

 

what are people getting for browsing/idle temps on the GE63?

im getting from 41c min to 57c max just on chrome. isnt that warm?
i paid for the pads and paste upgrade.

edit
hitting up to 96c max in gaming (mid 70s-80c current temps)

@Support.3@XOTIC PC hey anyway i can find out what the temps were before the mods?

 

Did you get the readout from Dragon Center? 96C is very high.

 

i was using hwmonitor. i can try dragon center if need.

its hitting the 90s and then going down pretty quick, guessing thats the fans

80s for gaming still seems warm knowing that they put Kryonaut and fujipoly pads tho, i was expecting a cooler running machine since i went with the GE over the GS.

edit: i dont have dragon center, i had a fresh install so its not on the machine
theres a burn in pdf on my machine, so it passed their test at least

 

Ok, so that is normal then, because the EC firmware should limit the system not to go over 90C, so you may run into performance spikes if the system demands more. In order to avoid spikes the system should be running stably at certain temperature range.
You can run some stress programs and find out.

 

i did some gaming sessions with these as the results ( https://store.steampowered.com/app/616560/Ultimate_Epic_Battle_Simulator/)



i'll try thurs or friday to get some 3d mark results

 

Cool, keep us posted.

 

its def hitting 90c in the phys test, saw as low as 1695mhz (didnt hit the advertised 4.10Ghz on intel's site, but 3800/3900 should be more than enough)





the GPU was OC'd before being shipped, assuming thats why the scores are a little higher and the system seems to run pretty well im just concerned about Temps. (laptop is great otherwise)

i paid for the the paste and pad upgrade hoping to keep it in check because it does get a little warm over here in California, but this cpu is pretty wild. i see the temps go up and drop 20c pretty easily in HWmonitor. is there anything else i can do? i'd ideally like to bring the temps to the 70s during gaming so i dont have to use a lapboard (not putting a 80c-90c laptop on my lap lol)

 

Wow those cpu temps seem high. I was under the impression that the GE raider series from MSI had good cooling. Might want to try undervolting using TS.

 

The physics test taxing all 6 cores aka the max you will see is 3.9GHz all cores.

 

i saw it hit up to 3991MHz, which is why i figured single core. I guess its an OC? i though i only had the GPU redline boost, guess that includes cpu as well



where do i find the TS program(& instructions on how to use it)? def interested in undervolting.

 

Core i7-8750H = Fully locked down. No overclock possible!

How to use ThrottleStop...

You can always find the latest version of ThrottleStop in the first post in this thread

 

i was just reading that thread haha. i'll try missing with it later today.

yes i remember you posting the wikichip link before. if its locked, could the 3991MHz just be a misreading by 3dmark?

 

Nope. You can run it one more time and hover your mouse over the graph. The red arrow show you the physics test (all cores is taxed), you should see 3.9GHz flash up.

 

Does using dual channel on RAM really matters? I checked the YouTube videos on CSGO lpw fps problems, problems cited there relates to using single ram stick.

 

Yes, larger bandwidth = faster performance = more responsive. For troubleshooting purposes, you should try single module one at a time, then eventually both.

 

it definitely goes over 3.9 in the graphical, and in the physical it start above 3.9 and goes down to the mid 3.8GHz



also re-ran, and got a lower score but with way bigger highs and lows





Going to go mess with TS now and see if it makes the cpu behave better.

 

Of course it will clock above 6 core boost if less cores is taxed. The way all core i7 have done soon the last decade. Whaterver.... Clocks shouldn't drop below the 6 core boost aka 3.9GHz.


Core i7-8750H

 

But the problem is low cpu uitilization (only up to 65%) unlike those youtube streams getting 98%. How does dual channel ram affect cpu uitilization? CS Go is a cpu-intensive game.

 

what TS settings do people have on their GE63s?

so far i have speed shift turned on.

edit got -120 on cpu/cache and -80 on intel, my physical score went up but my gpu score is going down. thinking it switching to igpu for some reason.

 

so no longer hit 90c in the physical test, but my gpu score went from 18591 to 18542. all i did was undervolt cpu to -120.1, intel gpu to -50.8 and set EPP to 0

 

Anybody here managed to play csgo at 200+ fps average for the gtx 1060 model at max settings? I only manage to have 120fps average.

 

New bios E16P1IMS.10B is available on MSI website, didn't test it yet though.

 

I have the same problem with GE63VR 7RF (1070), if you have single stick just buy one ram stick that matches your configuration, in order to make it dual-channel.

 

Did it help? I am planning to buy 8gb(2x4gb) and ditch the original ram. I will just sell the original RAm if ever.

 

Lol you need to get yourself 2 x 8GB (at least). I opened up my task manager, and it says 8.9/32GB in use right now and all I have is 4 tabs of Chrome, and whatever million background apps running lol. Windows 10...

 

Just buy 1 more 8gb stick. I didn't buy my 16gb stick yet but it will fix that issue for sure.

 

I am not sure if there is available 8gb RAM that will match with configurations with my current RAM. It's more problematic if I purchased another 8gb stick that doesn't match with the built in RAM

 

Look at your ram model using CPU-Z or HWINFO64 or something else, if you can't find the same model (generally oem models has different namings, e.g. starting with MSI instead KVR if Kingston), get ram with same specifications (timing, frequency, ram type) from same brand, if not available you can buy another brand with same specifications. But i am sure you can find from same brand.

 

Hey @TimeToTilt, how are you finding the thermals after owning that Raider for a few weeks? I'm heading to MicroCenter this weekend and might pick one up.

@turbo87, did you find any more info about the cooling on this model?

 

Not much really, other than the tech reviews on YouTube, etc. when I was playing with it MC, I found the touchpad to be not very responsive. And it does not have gsync or tb ports. Also I have heard that MSI customer service is not very good.

 

I want to rollback to 1709 or 1703 but I don't have the recovery files. Is there any way to download the ISO files and clean install via USB?

 

Microsoft Windows and Office ISO Download Tool

 

Hello, guys

Recently I've bought MSI GT63 8RG and my laptop was DOA, so tomorrow I'll collect my money back. Not sure that I would choose GT63 again. Don't know how to explain. Simply my first date with that laptop was not so great as expected and simply I am believing in omens.

In fact there are no so many choices with 1080 with good cooling in 15.6 and to be a reliable vendor.

Going down to 1070 is kind of an option.

So far still willing to remain with MSI and go for GE series. GE63 suits me with its size.


There are 2 options on the market

GE63 8RF 207RU with 1070, 32 Ram, 512 SSD PCI-e and 4k IPS 60 hz

Or

Ge63 8rf 208ru with same 1070, 16gb Ram, 256 SSD PCI-e and TN 120 Hz.

OK, Ram is 32 from the box and maximum. No need to add.

SSD is not an issue.

More concern about the screen.

I had the same TN panel on GT63 and it was good.

What about 4k IPS? It's only 60 Hz and there is no Gsync in Ge63 (it was in GT63).

Does it worth (I mean 4k IpS) buying?

Your opinion, please

 

Oh no, sorry to hear that. Do you know what went wrong with it?
GT is still better than GE in terms of performance and quality. IPS will always be nicer than TN panel for sure no matter how many variants they create based on TN technology.

 

Can anyone that knows or has already done this...what size thermal pads should be used on the GE63VR if I am looking to "re-pad" the unit when i repaste? Paste is going to be Gelid Extreme but figured i would repad with Fujipoly pads while i am at it too...thanks!

 

Does anyone know if there are differences between the Microcenter GE63 RGB with the 1070 and the ones that can be found elsewhere like Amazon besides what seems like just a single stick of 16GB RAM? The MSRP seems to be lower than the other places and the Microcenter version that is on the MSI webpage links to another model at MC that seems to have been replaced with the current model they show.

 

Just bought the MSI GE63 Raider RGB (8th gen i7, 1070) from Micro Center last night after returning two ASUS ROG Zephyrus GM501GS's due to dead/stuck pixels in the display. Really happy with the decision so far - impressed by the build quality and relatively little bloatware. Question is: what do you all recommend as setup tips? I've updated drivers, gone through windows updates, downloaded throttlestop and started toying with undervolting, but curious if there is anything you'd recommend? I've been stepping down undervolts and stress testing/testing temps with Prime95/HWMonitor. How do you know when you've gone low enough that you're hurting CPU performance? I'm at the -125 core -50 cache setting that seems popular at the moment, but curious how i can know if that's affecting performance. Also - hearing mixed opinions on speed shift (in throttlestop) vs. the battery/power settings in Windows 10 (best performance or middle of slider) and I'm curious if you all have stumbled upon some optimal settings there? Not sure how speed shift and the battery settings inter-relate?

 

I bought mine from Microcenter and it seems to be the exact same model...same screen, single stick of 16gb RAM, full fledged 1070, etc etc. It would be nice with two sticks of 8GB ram for dual channel but sometimes the Microcenter prices are so good that it makes you second guess it but in my personal case, and I would imagine Microcenter is the same regardless which one you go to, it is the same system. I even opened mine up from there and repasted with Gelid Extreme, swapped out the drives with larger SSD Micron drives for both, and replaced the wireless card with an Intel and it was exactly the same "innards" as well from all the tear down videos on the internet. Hope that helps!

 

Well I know from personal experience the TN panel @ 120hz was very good and a 4K with 60hz just seems like overkill on that small of screen. Sitting off center really doesn't matter on the smaller laptop because 9 out of 10 times you are going to be directly centered with it right in front of you. Plus the higher resolution you would need to run at 4K...1080p should me more than adequate on a 15' screen and would last longer down the road as the 1080p would be easier to drive for the 1070 Nvidia card. But honestly I have the GE63VR with the 1070 and a new GT63 Titan with the 1080 (we have talked on the GT63 forum) and the screen to me is great. My desktop is a ultra wide 35' VA screen with 3440x1440p, so I am use to the higher resolution and i still have zero complaints when i game on the smaller screen with the laptops on the TN panels. Anyway, in my opinion, save the money, get the really nice TN screen with higher Hz, and your 1070 will be able to drive it longer on newer games down the horizon too and you won't have to worry as much about running newer games at a lower resolution than your 4K default or have to worry about lowering your graphics options in game to get good frame rates (and heat) at default 4K. Just my two cents

How much are the two systems you quoted?

 

Thanks.

Today I've choose GE63 with TN 120 Hz.

You know, I had this panel in GT 63 and liked it. Really. So I decided not to go against what I already liked and stayed with TN 120 Hz.

As for prices I paid 1900 USDs for 16 GB Ram and 256 GB SSD. A bit higher then in US and Europe but this is Russia)) l

4k option maxed with 32 Ram and 512 SSD would cost 2500 USD.

 

Great! Congrats...as for the panel, if its like the TN on on my GE63VR you won't be disappointed. You can always get another 16gm stick down the road for dual channel around $150 (dont know Russian prices though) unless you can get one with two 8GB sticks in it. If you can/want highly recommend a repasting with a top notch paste like Gelid EX or Kryonaught or liquid metal by someone that knows 100% what they are doing if you go LM...

A Crucial MX500 1TB SSD is running around $150-$160 right now too so for the cost of a extra 16GB ram stick and a 1TB SSD would be around $320 (USA prices) give or take. That is still less than the $600 extra you would have spent on that 4K model and you would have the same memory amount and a larger SSD for cheaper.

The GE63 is nice in that when you pop off the bottom panel the 2 hard drive slots and memory (basically everything) are right there and easily accessible to change what you want. The wireless card is buried under the heat pipes though so the only way to change that (if you even want/need too) is to take off the heat pipes. So if you are fine with the Killer wireless then no worries there. I am just an Intel wireless guy so when i re-pasted i changed out the wireless card too...

 

Thanks.

I will add SSD after 14 days. I don't want to remove a warranty sticker seal

Previously I thought to replace SSD in GT63 by 1TB (in fact the official technical support allowed me to do that (I've made a call) but they said that MSI doesn't recommend higher then 512 GBs). Fortunately I delayed my plans for some time in the future and that really saved me from lots of troubles, cause when I returned the laptop back - the seal wasn't touched.

The same I plan to do this time either. Let's wait first.

I'll see the Temps and then probably shall do repasting and pads. The guys here know what to do.

 

Thanks! That’s what I was thinking. I’m curious about the wireless card since the specs and reviews state it’s an Intel 9560 chip. The LAN is the Killer chip. You saw the wireless chip as Killer too?


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Hi All. Do anyone here knows how to unlock core voltage (mv), power limit (%) and temperatire limit(degrees C) in MSI afterburner for this laptop model? It is greyed out for my unit. Also, the fan speed (%) is also greyed out. I dont want to use MSI Dragon Center app since I lose several fps in games when its installed.

 

This is the video I followed to do what you want.

 

Yeah when i got mine it was the Killer Wireless...and I changed it to Intel. But i got the 7RF version (model right before the RGB version.) So maybe it is a Intel 9560 card? Just ask Microcenter to let you look at the device manager on their display unit and you can confirm what wireless card is in there before you buy.