MSI GE63VR / GE73VR Raider Laptops

So if I get a new ge73vr, I'll be able to swap out the cheap sata ssd with a new nvme ssd and boot windows from usb? I was told I would need to clone the ssd with a usb adapter. Also how much improvement does one get using raid 0 with sata or nvme? I was told it wasn't worth it in both situations.

 

You'll need to clone it first. The ssd that come a with it isn't a slouch, and using raid with a nvme won't see a gain by much since you only have one nvme and one sata

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In my opinion with the use of nvme drives raid 0 is dead. It is not worth the risk to your data for the little gain you may receive. If data redundancy is needed OK but then you are eating up drive space that could be better use with using Macrium backup software to an external drive.

I have the 960 pro nvme using PrimoCache software and have the following CrystalDiskMark results using Windows 10 no bloatware:

Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) : 16605.837 MB/s
Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) : 13760.961 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 911.608 MB/s [222560.5 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 586.180 MB/s [143110.4 IOPS]
Sequential Read (T= 1) : 7828.681 MB/s
Sequential Write (T= 1) : 10310.168 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 801.665 MB/s [195719.0 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 516.145 MB/s [126012.0 IOPS]

Test : 1024 MiB [C: 12.2% (19.2/157.3 GiB)] (x5) [Interval=5 sec]

Over kill.... most likely but not much more you can ask from the system. Depending on the drive you buy they may include migration software which will help with any transfer.

edit: forgot to give Phoenix credit for:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-bloatware-free-edition.804247/

And

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/phoenix-software-updates.794490/

 

This is the GE63VR not GS63VR

Also my laptop has zero issues with the space bar - replacing SSD could be a bit tricky because its not the easiest laptop to assemble/disassemble but even then its certainly very doable

edit: seems like the post I replied to was removed...

 

I like to think it was my scathing report of his comment that led to the post's banishment to the shadow realm.

 

I'm sure you know you bench your ram @Phoenix @tilleroftheearth

 

LOL, what a joke! Who are you lying to benchmarking your RAM then *thinking* that this is your magical new super duper upgraded SSD speed? You simply benchmarked your RAM not your SSD and cheated the benchmark program

Do you even know how caching works? It's just a way to lie to benchmarks and to yourself *no pun intended*.......

Here is what happens in a real life scenario........

j00 copy a 10GB file..........it finishes in 5 seconds! holy moly! that was fast! I overclocked my SSD The Windows File Transfer Progress Bar says the transfer is complete! Woo hoo! I am the king! Nope! It just copied it to the RAM Cache (your RAM that is) and the progress bar lied to you telling you the transfer was done. It wasn't! Now in the background, the data is being copied from the RAM Cache to your ACTUAL SSD slowly at the max speed that the SSD is/was rated for........ so no sir you didn't do anything but create an illusion for yourself and actually believe it.

Wanna know what's worse?

Cut (not copy) that 10 GB file right now.......and within 10 seconds, after it finishes the cut process, go ahead and reboot.......then try to open the file.......baam.......it's gone! your data is gone! because it didn't actually complete the cut/copy process which was still running in the background.

RAM Caching is the biggest snow flake one could live in. Period.



@Mr. Fox @tilleroftheearth

Now this is my actual NVMe RAID 0 benchmark,, a REAL benchmark with REAL speeds, no fluff, no magic.....

 

Scary fast.

Speaking of scary, you folks be safe out there. Let's have fewer tricks and more treats tonight.

But, snow flakes are so cold, fluffy and pretty. Much nicer than sand and sun. I think both of us get enough of that in a week to last a lifetime. What I would give for cold, refreshing, snowflakes in Phoenix, LOL.

 

Thank you for your insight.

 

Just letting everyone know: I've simultaneously run Prime95 (For 45 minutes) and Furmark. Had to run Furmark 3 times (FHD preset) before the CPU started throttling at 92 degrees on core 1. Cores 0, 2 and 3 never exceeded 86 degrees, which makes me think: Is it normal if core differentials get worse under unrealistic loads? I've never seen differentials of over 4 during realistic gaming loads.
Anyway, as I'm running Prime95 for a further 30 minutes (making it 75 minutes), CPU package temperature stabilized at 75 degrees with core differentials of 6 (max). Running on a custom fan curve which, compared to auto, is a bit louder.

 

Some factors are involved, Intel Turbo Boost and available power and power allocation/distribution (which is limited by EC firmware). What about your power draw? It might be difficult for the system to get full performance out of running burn-in software.

 

Shoot, I haven't checked that...

 

Bump Anyone?

 

I complete forgot about installing Ubuntu. I promise I will get to this this weekend! I will install Ubuntu on a separate partition and install all my usual programs and games, and see what works.

 

Awesome! This is my deciding factor between this and the P650HS-G (System76 installs Ubuntu on it)

 

It should work but if there's any issues that you run into it can be driver related. Also, you will lose access control to keyboard lights, etc.

 

I'm not too worried about the lights. I'll be dual booting. I'm more worried about ports/hardware not working.

 

I've been trying to get dual-boot to work for a few hours now. I'm running into some issues post-installation.

First: getting GNU Grub boot menu to appear was no problem, there is a command you can enter to make it pop up. Right now, the issue I am facing is after installation, restarting from the 'Restart Now' prompt or the right-top Cog-menu restart/shut down doesn't actually restart/shutdown, it hangs indefinitely.

I would just hard shutdown with power button (-.-). So I log-in, but Unity, launcher, and dash don't appear and all I see is my cursor. Guest account loads fine but I can't use the guest terminal to implement the online solutions. I will spend a few more hours trying to get this to work. I've tried dual-booting my old Acer V17 NBE, but never got it to work and just stopped trying.

UPDATE: couple hours later still no luck. I'm very tired. I will keep trying over the weekend. If there's anyone else that wants to try installing dual boot ubuntu please do. Terminal was Ctrl+alt+F6, not F1.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154738
Anybody knows something about this UHD panel? Is it pentile like in Stealth Pro 15"?

 

Definitely pentile. I have never seen an MSI laptop shipping with IGZO panels.

 

Seems like the graphics is cranky. try this:
Install this PPA
https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
Then follow these instructions replacing "nvidia-331" with "nvidia-graphics-drivers-384"
http://www.dell.com/support/article...l-pcs-with-an-ubuntu-operating-system?lang=en

 

Just as I thought so. But 17 inchers got "real" UHD display?

 

Not that I know of...

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Does anyone know where I can get a cheap compatible power adapter (for example for a different laptop that fits)? I'm assuming it doesn't use a "smart" adapter. Can be low wattage, I'm going to chop the cable to use with a battery pack anyways. The real 180/230W adapters are very expensive.

 

Hi guys,

Im about to get the ge73 1070 but with my hot and humid climate was thinking of extra was to cool the laptop without repasting (voids the warranty)
( ill be undervolting it as well just want to lower it more)

Thought
Soooo mind me if this sounds stupid, but would the temps run cooler if i were to cover the top of the heat pipes with thermal pads?
Would it help with the discharging of the heat out?
Would it get stuck in the casing instead? The laptop has really open bottom so i thought it would be able to be discharged from there.
Thank you

 

Fyi anker usb c to hdmi 4k/60hz adapter doesn't work. I get usb and displayport error messages from windows. Even if it can't support 4k60hz it could at least go down to 1080p but alas nothing. Usb c is still an absolute mess as can be seen by the reviews of every single usb c adapter and hub on amazon that go from 5 stars to 1 star and back and forth.

Its not a big deal with all the video ports on the msi I was just testing it out for fun and the adapter was intended for my port constrained yoga 920 ultranook anyway, which works perfectly with the adapter and can go 4k60hz as well as 1080p120hz on my tv.

 

Pulled the trigger.

Got a stock ge73 1070 version.

Ill go home and do some test on it to make sure its all fine.
Screen looks amazing. The colours are vibrant looks like an xps screen.

I have read the windows 10 is giving a lot of bugs, would you all recommend installing a windows 7???

 

Other than under volting, would you all recommend doing anything else????

Do you all still use the dragon center or do you guys have something else instead??? Or using a msi afterburner will be a better choice???

Should i swap the killer wifi card for an intel??

 

Windows 7 may run into compatability with drivers since it is not supported by Kabylake (7700HQ). Someone else may confirm. I've been dabbling with the same thought, but instead just did ShutupWin and that solved most of my issues with it, and increased performance by about 8% overall.

 

Was worried about the compatibility of the newer softwares as well. Ill try to do a bloatware free windows 10 from @Phoenix

Is shutupwin the same as the bloatware free windows 10????

 

Some more recent release data, as I have been blowing through some new titles this weekend on my GE73VR.

Assassin's Creed Origins - 90 FPS, with dips into the upper 60's, with the recommended settings (ultra)
COD WWII - 120fps, some dips into the 100-105 mark on occassion, barely noticable unless you are watching a frame counter. This is on Ultra
Wolfenstein 2 - 90-100 fps,few dips. Using "optimized" settings inside geforce (high / extra mix).
PUBG - still not optimized. CPU Is the limiting factor here. Holds around 90-100 in buidlings on solo, 60-70 when out in fields where draw distance comes into effect. 45-55 when in a squad in a field in battle. . . This is on the highest preset with shadows turned down to low, and textures on medium.

 

Stick to O&O ShutUp10. I have discontinued the Bloatware Free Edition of Windows 10

 

I will look into that thank you for the heads up!!!

 

No, you'll still want to run it. ITs a free software download from O&O s

 

Ill try to do as much as i can tonight. The next time ill be able to touch this will be next weekend... its gonna be a long week

 

Just done some stress testing... undervolted to -140v at first but had a bsod. Then i undervolted to -130v, so far the temps are amazing, ran a few stress test with prime95 and unigine, the temps bearly hit 80c in a 26-28c room. Feel really happy with what I am having right now. Havent really done any scores. I dont really know where to look towards and to test what scores.

Also if any of you could recommend me on how i am able to test the temps of the laptop more i would like to give it a try.

Some feedback -
The power brick is hugeeeeee. Like the weight of it is almost as much as the laptop itself. its heavy and huge.... i dunno if its something i will wanna carry everywhere with me
The fan is a bit loud, but if you are not in a totally silent environment, you wont really be able to hear it.
The screen is amazing. colours are just wow. Its not as dark as what reviews say it is.
A lot of background programs going on. Having to keep killing them. - Not really sure what they are
The temps on the higher sides are really low, so far I havent hit 80c. But my idle temps i feel are abit high still... in their 50c around there. Is there anyway to lower it more?
The keyboard is really nice to type and stuff, its abit stretched cause of the 17inch, but i like how the keys are feeling. really soft and responsive.

Thats all for today. This is amazing so far.

 

CINEBENCH R15 and wPRIME (run as adm. Click advanced settings and select 8 threads. Run 1024M stress test). Post scores and temp with a pict.

 

Ill give it a try this weekend!! Cant wait

 

TEMPS ARE BASED ON A 28C ROOM TEMPERATURE

 

I think my scores are really low.... what am i doing wrongly???

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23152129

timespy score - 5600

 

I feel like I'm missing something. GE63VR Raider 01 VS GE63VR Raider 75. It seems as though there is no difference in the non-changable hardware (aka not storage, memory, wifi, etc). Is this correct? I'm trying to understand the 300 price spread between the two when I change Windows, Storage, Memory, and Wifi to be the same.

 

hi guys , i have a ge63vr 7re and i want undervolt CPU.
what voltage should I use to have the best stability and temperature?
Do iHave to use Intel xtu or throttlestop?
The CPU is 7700hq and i see -0.130mv , it's working well.

 

This has been discussed in the thread. Use the search bar.

 

Ok i see that is a screen 120hz and i have problem with a lot of games like dark soul 2, I don't setting in full screen but It remain in window.
I test bordless window and flawless window but it's nothing. Can anybody help me?

 

Throttlestop is highly recommended as it's used by many professional overclockers.
Regarding the screen issue, can you describe more on the symptoms you were having?

 

By the way, found out Dell chargers work to charge the GE63VR, but not HP.

 

The symptomps appear when i try start a game like dark souls 1 or dark souls 2 , that it work bad on 120hz because there is a bug on this frequences.
The bug there is only on this games and similar , in particular the game no work in full screen but in window screen in a part of screen(even if the game is in full screen).
I will have to test the CRU to change the refresh rate and add 60hz. This is also to windows fall creator's bug.
I tested pes 2018 and dark soul 3 and it work flawless and the temp are 70-66 CPU 55-61 GPU in mode comfort and cooler in auto mode.
I want know stable voltage to CPU because i read all topic and I did not understand how to set throttle shop, can i have the screenshoot of your configuration?
PS: excuse me to bad english but i wrote little

 

So, 2 months have passed, my GE63VR arrived finally, but now Im having with the killer 1535...it says that This device cannot start. (Code 10)....

I tryied to unistall and install again, this resulted in a not possible to enable card (stays disabled forever)...tryied drivers on killer site...got even worse by getting to the initial point (This device cannot start. (Code 10)).

Any thoughts on this??

 

Were you undervolted? If the XTU profile isn't loading at boot time, which can happen if you power off without using Windows shutdown, that would explain the sudden increase in temps of about 10c.

If you are running XTU, go into it and check to make sure it's changing settings. If not, reselect the Profile and Apply the settings changes again. That should restore temps

If you haven't undervolted yet, download Intel XTU and try -100mV to start, that should give you some relief from higher temps, about 10c under load. Some can get even better undervolting, up to -220mV, typically around -135mV - -150mV.