MSI GE63VR / GE73VR Raider Laptops

Though I own the GTX 1060 model, it never exceeds 70 degrees under gaming loads (with core differentials of 4 celcius at max for those wondering, so I'm not very worried), and I must lower the graphics a bit at 1080p to keep a stable 120fps. Otherwise it's been great!

 

After installing Windows Update 1709, I'm experiencing way more stutters, increased CPU usage -.-

 

I'm using the bloatware-free edition, very mininal stutters and an excellent battery life exceeding 7 hours with an undervolt.

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I need to get around to reading on bloatware-free edition and installing.

 

let's be honest here, I do love this laptop as well

 

How the hell are you getting 7 hours out of it? I also installed the bloat free and get like maybe 4hrs.

Others that have updated to the Windows Fall update, have you noticed a larger core temp difference after? I really don't want to go through the process of another clean install and have yet to crack the back panel to see if my heatsink is all night and tight. I'm out in the **** for work and can't get tools very handily right now.

=Jason-

 

5 degrees is the maximum I see when it comes to core differentials, and it is during heavy gaming loads.
It's easy to get over 7 hours of battery if you make sure you do it exactly as I've set it up:
- Bloatware-free Windows 10 (I use the previous build and not the newest, it might have been using more resources in your case).
- Intel HD 630 set as preferred GPU on both global and per-app settings.
- Power saver mode on Windows + Battery saver.
- ThrottleStop undervolt profile set on boot (140mV on all the CPU offsets)
- CPU frequency capped at 1.1Ghz through TS again.
- Passive cooling
- Cortana, Windows updates, automatic driver updates and Defender are all disabled.
- No apps running on the background except Chrome, Word and Wifi is enabled.
- Brightness at 20-30%

Currently, it's showing 8 hours and 49 minutes remaining at 89%, but it's not exactly accurate. I've had the same estimation last time and the laptop survived for 7 hours and 10 minutes before needing a recharge at 5%.

 

you ****ing madman.

 

Though I ramp it up to 40-50% sometimes, I notice a loss of 30-45 minutes in total...

 

Hey guys any idea where the cheapest ge63 raider can be found? Cheapest one i found was over at ebay for 1699usd with a 1070,7700hq,128gbssd+1tbhdd+120hz panel.

 

out of the box is too much bloatware ? if i don't do clean instal, can u list the program should be remove after first booting from factory,

and how much flex on top of the lcd cover when the laptop is closed ? i m worrying putting too much pressure on the laptop top cover in the backpack while traveling.

i m planning to purchasing 7577 or GE63VR(GTX1060) next week.

 

I got mine with no Windows installed (a.k.a FreeDos laptops) and I already had the bloatware-free W10 saved on a thumb drive.
I've done the usual stuff (a month ago): Install Windows, Install/update drivers from the drivers partition (came out of the box), download ThrottleStop and undervolt by 140mV (Most stable so far), Download O&O ShupUp10 (ticked everything and then restarted the laptop), Download WinAero Tweaker (but didn't change much). I also manually switch power profiles by myself, I currently use 2, mostly:
1- Maximum power: High performance mode on Win10, MSI Shift mode, more agressive fan profile, Undervolt always kept for lower temperatures, Preferred Nvidia GPU, using dGPUidle.exe to get rid of 95% of microstutters (still seeing a few, but it's a rarity)
2- Extreme power saving: Battery saver + power saving mode on Win10 (No need for MSI Eco mode in my case), Passive cooling mode, cap the CPU frequency to 1.2Ghz through ThrottleStop for class, light and internet usage, turn dGPUidle.exe off, preferred intel GPU, undervolt, 30% brightness (sometimes 40%), Keyboard backlight off, USB Led off, most services turned off.
With this configuration, I am seriously getting over 7 hours of battery life.

As for the lid flex, it's minimal. Don't worry, the laptop is very sturdy in comparison to the previous GE62 models. The only fragile area I've witnessed is the bottom-center part of the screen when the lid is opened. It's something you'll never get to touch though.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22936890?

Tonight's score. I installed the 0&0 windows blocker software to disable a lot of stuff before running it. Used Asus GPU Tweak II game optimizer to disable a bit more. Turned my overclock on to my default (1850 core clock, 8300 mem clock) and set the fans on automatic. Attached is the hardware info report from this run.

Cheers,

LOVE this laptop.

 

notebookcheck review(GERMAN)) on GE63VR (GTX1070) :



https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-...-7700HQ-GTX-1070-Full-HD-Laptop.251834.0.html

credit : notebookcheck


man, idk what they doing to make this temperature is able to cook some egg on the top of the laptop keyboard -__- why the hell they doing this ? i i mean, 97 degree celcius ? WTF.

 

The top of the keyboard was only 48 c at its highest temperatures and 29c at idle... the palm rest remained cool and the wasd keys were a warm 42C. No where near hot enough to cook an egg... The cpu temperature does not translate into surface temperature of the laptop.


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How is that even possible for a 45W CPU to get that hot?
When I had a gt72VR (similar chassis as the raider) and a 7700HQ, undervolted at 150mv, not only did the package power NEVER exceed 42W in 8 thread AVX PRIME95 at 3.4 ghz, but at full fan speed, it never exceeded 65C! And 75C at auto fan....

And this was with stock paste.
@Papusan

 

Already seen it. It's what it is... Numbers never lie

 

i see, so u got the FreeDOS on the laptop,

what software did you still using after bloatware-free installation ? besides the dragon center / nahimic sound, i saw several vidoe on the youtube this laptop is too many bloatware out of the box like the GS63VR 7RF

would you mind to share your agressive curve fan profile ?

yeah there's no point to press that bottom of the panel while the laptop being opened, unless it accidentally..

yeah for the surface temperature is okay, due is still bellow 50 degree celcius,

but 97 degree celcius was too much..

yeah idk what notebookcheck labs doing on that review to make that temperature is very high, theres no in real gaming world will that be happend right ?

 

What are your under-volt parameters when you run the CPU at 1.2ghz fixed for battery mode?

 

The Bloatware-Free W10 comes with absolutely no software, and of course, minus the CPU intensive services.
I mainly use the MSI software: Dragon Center, SteelSeries Engine (for fun), True Color (didn't like the stock preset, running at designer mode with a few tweaks). I don't have Nahimic installed because it somewhat makes the speakers sound worse no matter what changes I make, and it also causes some static noise.
On top of these, I use Fraps, MSI Afterburner, HWInfo64 and ThrottleStop. The rest are my daily-use apps.

Here are my fan presets for both the CPU and GPU (Each number corresponds to the next temperature level):
CPU: 25% - 40% - 55% - 70% - 85% - 100%
GPU: 25% - 50% - 70% - 80% - 90% - 100%
With this fan preset + undervolt, I am yet to EVER see 70 degrees on any game I'm throwing. It is louder than usual, but the temperatures are excellent (Considering I'm running at a stock paste).

-135.7mV on all controls (Core, Cache, Analog I/O, Intel GPU, System Agent).
-140mV worked for an entire week before a game crashed. 135.7 is still working after 2 weeks.

For the battery saver profile, I've tested -150mV and I have yet to see instabilities.

 

Guys need help which one is true for msi ge73vr raider screen is it 5ms or 3ms response time ?

 

ge63vr (15 inch): 3ms
ge73vr (17 inch): 5ms

p.s. don't buy from best buy

 

ok but what is that ?
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GE73VR-7RF-Raider.html
https://www.excaliberpc.com/659792/msi-ge73vr-raider-045-17.3-120hz.html

both site says it has 3ms response time

 

okay i just looked at the excalibrepc site. wow you should call them just to make sure. initially, they didn't offer the 3ms for ge73vr (17-inch), but it looks like msi is finally starting to include them! Wow! Definitely call the company to make sure.

 

Hey guys what would u suggest i buy-
The MSI GE63vr Raider-075 OR (1799$) This has no gsync @ 120hz 3ms screen
The MSI GT62vr Dominator Pro 239 (1699$) - This has gsync @ 60hz ips screen

 

Has a *vary based on sku* note. There was a company that tested the 17 and found a 3ms gtg response time though, and said the 5ms nay just be a reporter average of the worst?

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Given how awesome 120Hz refresh rate is after lifetime of 60Hz, I wouldn't want to go back to 60Hz.

 

What's the difference between undervolting all those settings, as opposed to just Core and Cache? Intel GPU is obvious, but I'm wondering about Analog I/O and System Agent.

 

But would'nt not having Gsync hamper performance in long run. Like after 2 years u can approx say that gams at highest settings will run close to 60 or even just below that , then wouldnot screen tearing will happen without gsync??

 

I just undervolted everything on the way and I've had no issues so far.

EDIT: I've made a little research myself, it appears undervolting them does not improve performance or temperatures.

 

But would'nt not having Gsync hamper performance in long run. Like after 2 years u can approx say that gams at highest settings will run close to 60 or even just below that , then wouldnot screen tearing will happen without gsync??

 

Hey guys i think i m most definitely going to buy MSI GE63VR Raider-075 . Any tips like from where to buy or is extra cooling another than stock paste is needed?
And the most important question: Should i go for it (as i am not 100% sure ) or MSI GT62VR Dominator due to it haveing 60hz but Gsync panel?Please tell as fast as possible. I am going to buy in a few hours!!!!!!!

 

Need some general help...i installed the Windows 10 most recent bloat free edition....install all the latest drivers in the proper order according to Phoenix's driver thread, and then installed 3DMark to run some benchmarks. Now granted I installed 3D Mark on teh stock set up on first boot and ran it with no problem just to get some straight out of the box scores and temps....but now when I run it after clean windows boot free install, i get a black screen when the actual Firestrike starts to run...i can hear the telltale sound effects and audio that go along with the test, but nothing is showing on the screen? When I Alt-Tab out, it goes back to desktop no problem. I have the GE63VR. Like i said, prior to reinstall with bloat free straight out of the box no problem, afterwards, black screen when the test actually starts? Any ideas? I reinstalled the Intel and Nvidia drviers with DDU, reinstalled dragon center and SCM, etc...still the same thing.

And can anyone verify, the little tiny power up light by the power button, is it white when just booting and tooling around in windows (using the Intel 630 HD) and then changes to orange when the optimus kicks in for the Nvidia driver? i see it switching back and forth color wise just opening and closing normal windows on the desktop. Something screwy with Optimus? Should i start over and reinstall Windows again?

Thanks!

 

Up to you. If I had to choose between 60Hz with G-Sync and 120Hz with Optimus, then 120Hz all the way.
The GT62VR is much heavier FYI and it should have a worse battery life with the dGPU permanently on. But the cooling should be quiter (not necessarily better, as my GE63VR has excellent cooling even with a stock paste).

The graphics issue could be due to the latest drivers causing an issue. All my drivers are installed from the partition MSI provides with the laptop, no issues thus far. Hell, even the Killer wireless is working flawless!

I use dGPUidle.exe to get rid of some microstutters. The moment it's on, the light becomes orange and as soon as I terminate it, it's white again. You can safely assume that White = Intel and Orange = Nvidia.

 

Well now i notice that as soon as i press the power button and boot my lappy, the light is orange???? I did replace the hard drives in the unit after the original out of box reboot with two Crucial MX300's that were working fine in a previous MSI GS43VR. That little light is never white now...but shouldn't it at least be white when i first hit the power button since the operating system hasn't even loaded up yet? it is orange from complete power off to as soon as i press the power button all the way into windows? Its almost like the computer isn't even engaging the Intel HD at all. When it fully boots to windows, it shows the Intel 635 in device manager with no issues and if I right click on the desktop i can pick the Intel options, etc for it.....i am stumped....

 

I also did the bloat free install and having new problems that I didn't have before hand but my graphic cards are working correctly. In fact I didn't even know that that little light changes until I read your post and now that I've noticed it, it's working as it should. My problem is I'm getting a big peak temp difference where before they were within 1-2 degrees of each other. Have you noticed the same? Thanks

=Jason-

 

**UPDATE**

Well i just went ahead and reinstalled Windows Bloat free Edition again....i haven't even installed any drivers at all...matter of fact nothing besides just the windows install....and the light is orange?????

 

As soon as I turn the laptop on and before Windows completely loads, my light is orange. As soon as I open dGPUidle.exe, the light turns orange for 20 seconds and then becomes white again. Seeing what I exactly do when these colors change, I can say Optimus works properly on my laptop.
Try setting the GTX 1060 as the preferred GPU (for Physx as well). I think it may solve your issue...

 

Is this file which you run?
https://github.com/jobeid/dGPUidle

 

Would somebody please answer this??

 

Yes.

 

Guys anyone here have a ge73vr raider ? can you know the response time of screen 3ms or 5ms help me please. and which one has better cooling ge73 or ge63. bigger chassis is it better for cooiling ?

 

Mine registers as 5ms. There are some that were capable of faster. Cooling in theory is nearly identical as I believe the same size piping is used on both the 15 and 17.



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5ms or 3ms gtg will do a lot for preventing your ability to witness screen tearing. The optimus plus 120hz display trumps a 60hz gsync for me but it's personal preference.... that being said my desktop runs on two ROG swift monitors.

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Well i have GE73 and what i can tell you is that 120hz monitor are good for games like CSGO and Dota2 where you can get 120+fps. And i play those two games a lot, so 120hz is best for me.
Bigger games like Bf1 or any other upcoming games, you will have little bit of problem getting 100+ fps in ultra. So you wont get your 120hz experience in those games.
And im not sure but GT62 may have better thermal/cooling because of their thicker chasis.
I have no idea what gsync or freesync does. But you wont see such tearing because of the 3ms response.
Also check the MSI official forum. i see frequent problem for GT62. So the choice is yours

 

Hey guys so i have finalized and i am going to buy MSI GE63 VR Raider -075 . Just wanted to ask you guys that from where to buy.Like where i could get some free bundle or accessories from it.
Like whether i should buy from Bestbuy, amazon or Xotic pc ?
Are there any other sites would you like to suggest which have good service too.

 

Gentechpc has my highest recommendation. Free CLU on cpu and gpu, free shirt, and customer support here on this site and on the phone easy.

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You know there is a search bar for this thread. There has been plenty of discussion already.

 

Do you guys think the ge73vr will lower in price any time soon? What about black friday or christmas sales? Do resellers of msi laptops normally do such things?

 

Even though i am from india, I agree with them. Buy it from Gentechpc and also include thermal repaste on both CPU and GPU. this will really help you in thermal.