MSI GE63VR / GE73VR Raider Laptops

So big fans like GT72VR are actually not necessary for such spec?

 

Hey guys i have been seriously considering MSI GE63vr- 075 . The thing is i have yet to have any experience with MSI laptops so i want to ask it does it have better cooling compared to other brands and basically feedback from people who own it now. Pros and cons.

 

I own the GTX 1060 model and the cooling solution is more than adequate, my temps are excellent and I can barely hear the fans when playing ETS 2 (1080p, High settings, 150% scaling, steady 120Fps). GTX 1070 though may need more oomph in terms of quiet cooling.
The GT72VR uses the older Cooler Boost solution, but it's very effective (Quiet and keeps both CPU and GPU cool). The laptop however almost weighs 4kgs. The GE73VR is a great compromise between weight and fan noise (not talking about effectiveness, it's a fact the new GE73's cooling is on point).

Cooling is extremely good on my GE63VR with the GTX 1060 (Stock paste). The highest CPU/GPU temps I've seen while gaming at 1080p High/ultra, 120Fps are 61 and 64, respectively. CPU is undervolted by 145mV.

Having owned my laptop for 2 weeks, I can vouch for how good it is!

Pros:
- So many rubber feet under the laptop, making it elevated during normal use. It helps a lot with the cooling.
- Excellent screen. High refresh rate and color gamut. It's also bright enough. Games look amazing!
- Excellent keyboard with per-key backlight (cool stuff you can play with), been a formality with MSI ever since.
- Excellent speakers, although some may disagree. I love how crisp it sounds, I don't even need Nahimic to have it tweaked, it sounds great enough with the Dolby drivers installed. The base is at least MUCH better than my old laptop speakers (tweaked with Dolby's suite but still sound too horrible compared to the MSI).
- Excellent cooling with the possibility to set custom fan curves to your heart's content. Even with the stock paste, I have yet to see alarmingly high temperatures (above 65) while gaming. Heat is also very well distributed across the chassis, keyboard and under the screen (which does get a bit hot, but that's an area you'll never get to touch). As a result, the keyboard is quiet warm in the center, the QWERTY and numpad areas are very cool.
- Build quality is not that of a Macbook, but it's a great improvement over the GE62 my friend bought in 2015. It's an expensive laptop so you're expected to take good care of it.
- 2 SSD slots (1x SATA, 1x PCIE) and 1 HDD slot, Hell yeah!
- Battery life is "theoretically" bad at 3.5 hours of regular use and no tweaks. Having installed Windows 10 Bloatware-Free edition and used a few utilities to completely disable Windows 'bloatware' (Cortana, Defender, Telemetry and more) while of course running on power saver and iGPU (+CPU undervolt), the highest I've currently had is 6.5 hours during 2 consecutive 3h classes. For a gaming laptop, hooray!

Cons:
- The screen frame is made of plastic; probably the only fragile area in this laptop upon inspection, so I'd advise against pressing on the bottom part where the MSI logo is.
- This is not really a con,but I've received a lemon before having to replace it, though it was due to a defected screen and a dead line of pixels. My replacement works exactly as intended and I love it.
- VERY huge power brick, I'd expect the 230W brick to be much bigger.
- Fingerprint magnet... I'm literally cleaning it with the MSI cloth everytime I close/open it.
- Trackpad is still meh, although it's quiet improved from the previous GE62.
- No thunderbolt 3, could be a let-off for some.
- Compared to some GTX 1060/1070 laptops offered by ASUS, Gigabyte, Acer, Dell, Lenovo and even MSI (previous gen), the GE63/73 are more expensive, especially with them not sporting a TB3.

And that's about it. You get what you pay for, I'm very happy with mine.

 

Where do you get Dolby drivers?

 

Windows installs them automatically, but I got mine from the "Drivers" partition which came out of the box.

 

I need a big favor from anyone that owns the ge73vr. I am getting bad fps drops while playing heroes of the storm (hots). It might take a few minutes to notice it because it doesn't always happen. My fps goes from 90s to 70s to 50s with drops in the 20s. If you can, please download the game (it's free) and let me know if you experience fps drops and what your average fps is? I am about to decide whether to exchange or return the ge73vr (bad audio output noise), and I need to know if other ge73vrs have this issue. I'd appreciate. Thanks.

 

Did anyone find any fix for the microstuttering? Mouse freezing disappears when I disable the dGPU. So is this an optimus issue?

 

I fixed most of the microstuttering by uninstalling the touchpad driver. Now my trackpad is horrible, but it's much better than the freezes. I also keep opening dGPUidle.exe which always keeps the GTX 1060 on idle mode, when plugged in. With the dGPU always on, Optimus wouldn't work and cause the stuttering.

 

I need to return my computer in few days so if anyone with any raider could do this for me soon that would be awesome. If its just my comp hopefully a replacement will fix the issue.

 

If you have Geforce Experience installed, get rid of it. Also, make sure you disable Game mode (and DVR) altogether.

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What's wrong with GeForce Experience? And how would you update drivers?

 

It's a buggy software. I've seen many people getting very low FPS on some games due to GFE "optimizing" the games, while really, it just makes it worse.
I don't even update my drivers, I use the ones shipped with the laptop as they mostly are tested and work best with the hardware. So far so great!

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Yow people,

I have been getting some bugs with the steelseries software. As in by example : the default configuration changes the colour of a key once you press a key, the awkard thing is that the configuration is actually steady...

FN tends to change colour without asking and a couple of more weird things going on with the steelseries engine...

Anyone having the same issues or has had them? anyone knows how to fix it? (I already tried redownloading etc...)

Cheers,

 

The FN "bug" you talk about is actually a magnificent feature because it lights up all the possible FN+(something) combinations, that way you won't be lost trying to look for secondary shortcuts.
I have no idea about the rest, you probably need to be clearer.

 

I do know that the FN key lights up all the keys associated with it - It just seems there is some faults in the system where the different configurations get messed up. By example the "µ" key isn't totally alligned with the other keys when putting it on "rainbow" mode.

Cheers,

 

I have tried everything including uninstalling geforce exp. Please someone download HOTS - it takes 10min with average internet and its free. I had problems from the beginning with screen tears which I solved with checking v-sync, but I still get the fps drops so I'm not sure if the tearing is still happening or something. I'm worried this is because of the 120hz screen.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22757970 - Firestrike14022 on my first night with the raider.

I bought mine from GentechPC and upgraded to 32gb ram, as well as doing the CLU on GPU and CPU. Thermals have proven to be excellent and no signs of throttling are even near. Using the dragon mobile app while running PUBG last night for a couple hours on Ultra 1080p, my CPU stayed around 78 and GPU around 70. This is with a small overclock on the GPU (+175 core, +220 clock). No undervolt on CPU yet as I didn't have time or need, but will to just keep things rolling smooth in general. Only issues I've seen thus far is microstuttering is severe out of the box. Updated the killer drivers for the NIC and that improved things tremendously off the get go. Disabled the touchpad and that fixed it. However, anytime I opened PUBG, the trackpad software would reenable itself. It didn't bother me enough to see the stuttering, the main time I witness it is during admin prompts - and only when the prompt first appears. . . now to get windows 10 pro on it this weekend, and start running it harder.

 

Ok I'm having some problems with my Raider now that I've been using it with the Oculus Rift. I use to maybe hit 85c at most but usually around 80c with fans on auto running Civ VI plus doing tons of other stuff but now I'm hitting 95c. Also before the temp spread was pretty even with maybe 1 degree off and now I'm seeing over 5 degrees just even on startup. Here's a pic of just starting up with the spread. Is this something to be concerned about?


Another problem I've been having is my Nahimic program hasn't been working correctly so I've been trying to uninstall and reinstall but I keep getting this during my uninstall process.

 

another review from SilencedTech:



after several video review on the youtube i saw the GTX1060 have more heat on the CPU rather than GTX1070? except D2D review,

how much the bloatware coming from the factory out of the box ? is this effect the performance ?especially heat management.

 

Try repasting with Kryonaut. And of course you're going to have that spread at idle. Your system isn't even idle. Notice the c0%? You have multiple threads under more than light load and 22.1W of power. You're already running at 50% max TDP, so you're running something.

idle would have all c0% threads at <5%.
The 7700HQ however should NEVER even exceed 80C. My old GT72VR would never exceed 75C with 8 thread prime 95 AVX at 3.4 ghz, undervolted (-150mv) at 3.4 ghz, which prevented TDP from ever exceeding 43W at worst case. And that's an unrealistic workload no software besides stress tests would ever put on the system. Although shared GPU/CPU heatsinks can vomit heat on each other @Papusan

Buy some Grizzly Kryonaut, repaste CPU+GPU, then undervolt by -100mv CPU cache and CPU core, in throttlestop. Then test.

 

Already has a repaste done when I bought it from HIDevolution and I cannot do it again/send it back in because I'm flying out to Kuwait for work tonight and won't be back for 3-4 months. Already has an undervolt of -105mv. Now if I use cooler boost fan option I don't hit those high temps but out of the box I was getting MUCH better temps so I'm not too happy 2 weeks later.

=Jason0

 

To all the GE63/GE73 owners: Can you guys try closing the lid and pressing on the bottom left and right corners (beneath the screen and not next to the fans)? I'm doing this and am noticing something weird: It feels and sounds like a trackpad click. I'm not sure if this is a non-unibody build flaw, but it sure is annoying (especially since I regularly clean my laptop and tend to press on sides to wipe the fingerprints).

EDIT: It actually DEPENDS on the surface the laptop is put on. Class tables are slightly more fragile and that's probably why the sides were generating a "click" upon hard pressing. It doesn't occur at all in my dorm room. You're still invited to test it!

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Heres my temps after about a half hour playing Civ VI on a cooling plateform MSI dragoncenter set to Sport and Fans Auto. 2 weeks ago I wasn't even hitting 80c. This is with a -105mv undervolt.

 

This is not a total answer but looking at your numbers I see that you have "Speed Shift - EPP" set to 0. Try backing that off to 30 or 70 or 125 and see if the temps go down a bit. Maybe I missed it but I do not recall your ambient room temps when this was taken. It would help to better understand the extent of the issue.

There is something that changed in the last 2 weeks. It could take some time trying to determine what changed. You could RMA the system except the time it would take which is not in your favor or re-paste CPU and GPU to confirm there are no air bubbles and equal distribution. Not what anyone wants to hear but your significant investment will have a shorter life at these temps.

 

I would do a fresh Windows install and only install the drivers and the game. See if your Temps are back to normal. If so, you can narrow it down from their. I'm pretty sure this isn't a hardware issue. Nothing is going to drastically happen with the hardware in 1 year let alone 2 weeks.

Although there is a slight chance one of the screws weren't tightened all the way back down after HID did the repaste. Maybe it's loosened up over the past two weeks which is causing the uneven core Temps.

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Is anyone having problems with the graphics driver after the Fall Creators update? Lots of stuttering and FPS drops in games like PUBG, Dota 2. When I open Witcher 3, I can just see a black screen, but the game is running. I have the 1070 version.

 

Checking local price of 1070 models out of curiosity.
Can the $145 price gap justified by more SSD storage & how fresh it is?
GT72VR 7RE Dominator Pro 120Hz USD $ 2305
GE73VR 7RF (one more 256GB SSD) USD $ 2500

 

Today was not a good day.

You guys remember I had to return my laptop (GE63VR) because it got 92 degrees after 2 mins in GTA V?
The MSI repair service sent it back to me today after 3 weeks saying "we can't seem anything to be wrong with this unit'.. I'm ****ing furious right now.

On factory settings (They had to wipe it) I get a max of 90 degrees after a 5 minute stress test in Intel Xtreme Tuning utility. (no tuning just stress test)

Can other members please post their results of running XTU CPU stress test for 5 minutes? Then I have something valid to compare to.

 

I got max of 79C during stress test. no undervolt. And i have the GE73 with 1070.

 

Can you undervolt the cpu and gpu as a preset when running on battery? The only thing I am not sure about buying this laptop is the battery life. Thinking on ways how I can make it last longer than 5 h... Thanks

 

Time for a repaste with Grizzly Kryonaut!

Make sure you grab some Arctic 1mm thermal pads to go with the Kryonaut. Then you won't have to worry about temps anymore. Assuming the GE63VR uses 1mm pads. You could also grab a small strip of 0.5mm pads just in case. It's VERY easy to eyeball the thickness when you remove one of the old pads and then line it up with the new one. Then just cut to shape (before removing the protective layer) the squares from the new pad and repad.

 

Here you go. Top temps hit 58 for me after a 5 minute stress test. GE73VR, 1070 with a 0.140V undervolt and CLU on CPU and GPU thanks to GentechPC.

 

I've been looking at purchasing the ge63vr with the 1070 when it goes on sale. However, on newegg i found two different models with the same specs and different prices.
One is called the GX63VR-NE1070, and the other is called the GE63VR Raider-075.
Does anyone know the difference between the two models other than storage space?

Links:
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154732

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154701

 

They have an even cheaper version of the NE1070. I'm honestly curious what the heck the differences are as well:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154732&ignorebbr=1

 

NE stands for new egg. It's a new egg exclusive. Really good price too on that particular one. I'd check gpu clock information on them And make sure it's not Max gpu crap.

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I have been waiting to see if the price of the 1060 model comes down. I heard they were supposed to release a 1060 model with a 256 SSD for a normal price. Right now, there is no point in getting the 1060 model when the 1070 is about the same price.

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https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX30...F8&qid=1508757156&sr=1-2&keywords=crucial+m.2

Installed this yesterday into my GE73VR. Took 5 minutes maybe to get it up and running. No issues in bios and was immediately recognized. Did the partition and allocation. Assigned it a drive letter and done. Read / Write is not NVMe since its SATA based connnection, but it still has a SEQ Read at 540mb/s and write at 510mb/s per crystalmark. Temperatures are nice on it as well. The toshiba m.2 that came with that laptop thermal throttled according to HWINFO64 at about 42 C, which seems quite low for an operating max. . . Not sure how much faith I'll put into the toshiba, and just order antoher crucial and rrun them in RAID 0 perhaps.

 

Instal

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Any special tricks to taking the bottom panel off? Going to see if my heat sinks have gotten loose and would explain the sudden 10c+ difference I’m getting between cores now.

 

Use a flat blade of sorts to carefully pry it apart. Mine opened quick and easy but if it hasn't been opened since factory, it may need some coaxing to get it open.

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Try using a guitar pick to get in between and unsnap cover and slide it around the edges. Or order a pry tool/disassembly kit from Amazon.

 

Apparently 98 degrees after 20 minutes of gaming is normal according to MSI!
They sent my laptop back saying they couldn't replicate the problem.



Before you ask: laptop is an airconditioned room, and is elevated on this thing (airflow is great)



DO NOT BUY THIS LAPTOP, you might end up with a bad unit like mine and MSI refuses to acknowledge it.

 

Cool - but where is it running 98? You peaked at 98 but your current temps were lower. While you may hit that point it's not holding accordign to your own video. Since MSI refused to do anything about it, I'd strongly suggest that you get some new thermal paste, even just arctic silver 5, and repaste your CPU and GPU. Once this is completed, go ahead and do an undervolt on the CPU using XTU. If you are not comfortable repasting your CPU/GPU go straight to the undervolt and see how that helps.

In PUBG I hit 82 after 4 hours of gaming with CLU and a -140 undervolt and thats because the game is so CPU heavy on one core and poorly optimized. And that is on normal fan profiles. During any normal stress testing on all 4 cores, my unit doesn't break 60 on average.

 

Cool - but I get 93 degrees in GTA V after a cold boot

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You can clearly see that I boot the laptop, nothing is opened except for hwinfo, and the dragon center is set to "sport", yet after simply loading up GTA V I get 93 degrees on core #1
Also if I open up the laptop myself I lose ALL WARANTY (Belgiun)

 

Confirm that with msi. User modifications are meant to happen. And since they aren't taking care of the warranty anyways does it matter at this point?

Gta is very cpu intensive. I'll download it this weekend and see where it hits. Might just be the game.

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Hello Guys,

due to a good offer I would like to buy a GEx3VR. The problem is, I'am not sure if I should buy a GE63VR or a GE73VR.
Is there any difference besides the dimensions or weight, which speaks for one of the two models?
The GE73VR costs 50,-€ more (which is no problem at all).

Please help me.

 

This.

 

This message goes towards fellow msi ge63/73 owners,

I found out that my keyboard lightning isn't totally synced well. (this occurs on two keys for me)

The (µ) key has two lights underneath, the right light is synced with the (<) key.

I tested this quiet easily (put the setting to reactive key mode and when I press the (<) key the (µ) partially lights up.

Anyone knows how to fix this?

 

I don't think this can be fixed. Probably a later firmware update will.
But really, if this is the only "issue" you have, you must be thankful. I LOVE this laptop.

 

Same, performance on this thing has been excellent.