*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

No. That's a different motherboard AFAIK. The MS16L11 were on firesale for awhile. There will be no support for those, but not entirely sure why they were being sold as if they were loose inventory, but people were getting them for like 500$ a system but with Maxwel cards.

 

are you SURE you don't have 24MB of RAM.... windows 3.1 recommends 16MB but I always recommended 32MB at the least.

Sounds like a RAM dim just went "POOF" and died... lol (I'm sorry for laughing, but it's ridiculous... )

 

So... I have tried both Afterburner and EVGA Precision, but no matter what settings I try, OC will not at boot, yet the programs do start.

 

Malwarebytes detected no errors.

Out of curiosity, what brand of RAM do you guys use in your systems? I'm using Kingston HyperX 32gb 2400mhz...

Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk

 

I have honestly no idea... That error message suggests corrupt memory, yet it seems to pass every test. Anyone know of any good VRAM testers?

Crucial 16 GB, 2400 MHz.

 

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/having-problems-with-video-card-stress-test-its-memory/

 

We go with Kingston because unlike the numbers chasing on the label, Kingston RAM actually is faster, almost always.

 

To give you an example, we've shipped out dozens of 7700K systems last year/month, and yet the 7700K just got released officially today. All of you with issues regarding bios, have to be patient and give us time to sort through the bugs. Essentially, you should have all been warned your early adopters of a prototype laptop, and being given an unbeatable price/premium for it.

The CPU and Videocards are semi locked at the moment if you got a 7700K system. If you buy the 6700K system and want the earlier bios, that we had perfected it will allow overclocking galore and all sorts of fun stuff. In time the newer bioses will have this ability too. Just for now, it's a WIP.

If you think your RAM is having issues, run a full MEMTEST. Can't go wrong, go to sleep wake up and read the results. I run this overnight for everyone of my customers. I only ever find issues when it's G-skill or Corsair RAM mind you. Never with Samsung or kingston RAM thoug.

 

I am talking about GPU overclocking software. And I had this issue before Kaby BIOS.

 

Interesting. I stand corrected. My apologies for my reaction to the locked bios. Apparently I am one of the test subjects, as my EC allows me to OC. More information soon. I'm going to sneak attack Mr. Fox before he dumps all over my scores.

 

I just received a delid tool from Rockit and was 100% ready to go for my first ever delid!! The only problem is that Rockit forgot to tap the screws, so it was totally unusable. I guess it will have to be next week

 

The i57600k price option on the configurator went from (sub 163) yesterday to (sub 95) today. Must have been a mistake.

 

Stock - Overall 17459, Graphics 21410, Physics 14376, Combined 8466

This beast has LOTS of potential.

 

How on earth did you hit a 21K graphics score That's approaching GTX 1080 levels

 

I'm running memtest right now
Phase 2/4 no error yet
It's taking forever ...

I think it's a problem with chrome cause both time it happened while opening new tab in chrome. Ill have to investigate this much further cause I had to manually restart my PC 3 times today cause of this

 

Gtx 1080?
No way you got 21,4K stock with a 1070

 

Oh, you're right. It is a 1080

Maybe it might be due to your undervolt? Try bumping the Vcore offset +10 mV.

 

I'm far from a "pro undervolter" but it dosen't make sense that because I remove electricity from the Processor that my ram start acting slow, nah?

 

About correct for 4.4GHz all 4 cores. Thanks for sharing +rep. You should manage +10.70
Try as well wPRIME v1.5 Fire up as adm, select 8 threads and run 1024M

 

Can't wait for the unlocked bios, i'll push this beast

 

Not directly, but sometimes an unstable CPU can cause software to malfunction.

 

There you go guys...
http://imgur.com/a/oqFrn

 

That it does.

can't you just link us the page, otherwise it's the mark's without any useful information, for all we know it's a desktop. Internet is full of trolls and skeptics.

 

What are your settings like?

 

First of all, I have NDA protected hardware running. That's why my results are hidden and I can't show much. Trust me, it is real and this is as much I can show. You can choose to believe me or not, that's all up to you. Goodnight Ladies and Gents

Proof: http://imgur.com/a/jEoMF

 

Running 4.7. Very mild undervolt. Heat is a bit concerning but I'm going to pack it in ice.

 

NDA hardware? What the hell lol

 

Something is odd with the Wprime 1024M scores... If this bench is run with 47X

 

Yes bro, I'm going to continue to work on it. I'll try to catch you bro, hehehe

 

Shouldnt be a problem with OC'd 7700K. But with a heavy OC'd 7820hk BGA filth, I think you would have struggled to take the scores

 

Hi everyone! I just finished reading this entire thread, which was quite interesting and also a little bit worrisome at times. I ordered a Tornado F5 on the 26th, and it shipped two days ago with the following configuration:

i7 7700K
GTX 1070
1x16GB Kingston HyperX RAM (I'm going to install an other stick soon after I receive the laptop)
500 GB Samsung 850 EVO m.2 SSD
Intel AC-8260 wifi card
Samsung 4K screen (I'm looking to get an other 4K panel with better colors, as I do photography and otherwise I'll be using it mostly for video editing and getting back into 3D rendering)
330 Watts PSU

I'm pretty excited to get it, but a bit nervous. I'll be using it with Linux almost exclusively, so I'll have to figure out how to tune it with that OS. I'm not overly worried about the BIOS being locked for the moment, but I'm looking forward to trying to boost the machine a little.

One thing that worries me is the talks about how badly put together some of these machines are. When I'll get it, I won't be using it as my main machine right away, as I'll be dismantling it to see if there's anything I can clean up and improve first. I ordered two thermal pastes. One is Arctic Silver 5, and the other one is Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut. I'm a bit nervous because it's been a good 12 years since I've dismantled completely a desktop and used overclocking (changing the jumpers' configuration), but I'm excited too.

So, for changing the panel, I was considering using either SHARP LQ156D1JW31 or SHARP LQ156D1JW02, depending on which one I can find. Both seem a lot better than the Samsung panel option in terms of optical quality. And I know they don't support G-Sync, but I don't care too much about that. Do you guys know of any reasons why changing the panel wouldn't work? They both use the same connector, so...

Edit: Oh, and this is my first desktop replacement laptop. Currently, I'm using a Thinkpad W530, which still works well, but I very much could afford more power, and seeing the Boxing Day specials on the F5, I couldn't resist.

Edit 2: And thanks a lot to @Eurocom for the RAM and SSD upgrades.

 

There are many panel options, but support for the controls like brightness and stuff is not integrated in the bioses yet. Though any 30 pin eDP standard panel should work.

 

Good to know, thank you. So it would be stuck at maximum brightness? And is the brightness always controlled from the OS through the BIOS, or does the OS have direct control once booted up?

By the way, had I known you were offering your services, I would have bought the laptop from you, woodzstack.

 

didn't mean anything by what I wrote.

So same bios we have now. I don't know where the talk about an NDA your involved in comes in, we've had 1080 and 7700K for almost a month now, and no one I know signed any NDA.

But yeah that's a 1080 and not a 1070 - however I suspect both 1070 and 1080 to be scoring much higher in the future.

 

My services are always available, maybe in the future I can help you. But yeah, I think brightness stays at max, or so I understand, is the same pattern on any unsupported upgrade for a screen.

 

Thanks! I think I'm going to give it a shot anyway, I'm too curious and most of the time I keep my screen at max brightness anyway. And I'd definitely consider shipping my laptop to you if there was something Eurocom didn't manage to fix in RMA.

 

anyone seen what the 1080 looks like in this model? i wonder if it can be taken out and installed into a P870DM-G.

 

https://i.imgur.com/w12W5mc.jpg - Thanks to rageset.

I don't think this will fit, the Core / VRAM positions are changed just like the ones in the GTxxVR laptops, and that absurd tab intentionally blocking the MXM upgrades by the corporate greed.

 

thanks for that. the only issue is the heatsink not fitting. i swear there are so many variants of the 1080 it's driving me nuts as to which one will work.

 

Now ot get this to work in the AW17 and M15X with some MAJOR haxing....

 

You can always ship it to me for a quick inspection/cleanup/tuning and such. Avoid having to send it back again a 2nd time. (which only happens about 20% of the time from what I'm gathering..)

 

Just saw you were from Montréal, i'm from Montréal as well, do you believe it would be possible to meet in person and take a look at the paste job, etc etc?
Of course i'll pay you, i'm just not confident in doing it my self. (You can pm me back)

 

OMG thats so cool, yeah we can meet up anytime and go over the laptop etc..

 

You think about 1 of 5 people buying this machine need to send it for RMA? That is kind of a high percentage compared to any other retailer I'd think. Thats why im so on the fence about this....I've experienced extremely poor service before from a company called cyberpowerPC, where i had to RMA the motherboard after 4 months, but they sent it back to me in worse condition (the plastic case was literally cracked, and the keyboard RGB lighting wasnt plugged in). Now the keyboard doesnt work at all cause they crimpled the ribbon like crazy, and I can't replace it cause so very few ppl own it and cant find the part (its an MXM based machine, but a resell of mechrevo from china)...so I've been super weary. Eurocom seems to reply to emails really fast tho...Very very fast.. even faster than any big company like Dell. Eurocom even replied to me on new years eve at 11 pm my time...while CP would take 5 emails and 2 weeks for 1 response that had nothing to do with what I asked..haha.... If you called they put you on hold, transfer, transfer, transfer, and eventually disconnect...aint got no time for that. haha

Anyways, what do you charge to be a 3rd party re-seller? I'm in the US.

 

I bought two Tornado F5's from @woodzstack and the first one was built by Eurocom, the second was built by @woodzstack himself. The first one arrived with a pinched display cable that would cause the display and camera to randomly disconnect and not work until the EC was reset. It also had way too much CPU / GPU paste, and was throttling at high CPU usage. The second machine has been perfect. I think Eurocom is in a tough spot because they have to price these high enough so they actually make money, but still have to remain competitive with similar BGA systems and the Clevo LGA systems.

 

If I have to RMA it, I will ask them to ship it to you so you can check it before it's sent back to me, for sure. Also, I happen to be from Montreal too, but now I live in Vancouver. Maybe next time I come and visit I could hire your services to double check it?

As soon as I get my thermal pastes, I'm going to look for that.

 

Hi guys,

I'm new here, reason why is that i'm looking for a new gamelaptop. After much reading i found this MSI laptop.
My last laptop was an Alienware 14. I bought it because i throught it was the best. Soon after the Witcher 3 came out. The Alienware with gtx 765 wasn't able to play that game nicely. So i thought, lets upgrade it. This was when i learned about BGA, I was stuck with a expensive gamelaptop that didn't do tripple A wel. Build quality was perfect btw. Not willing to make this mistake again and thinking about this msi 16/13. I had a msi to before that, forgot the model. That one did allright but build quality was crappy.

I had contact with eurocom, they anwer fast but always "short". What i'm looking for is a stabile game platform for traveling. I'm not a overclocker, or repaster. I just need a good high quality peace. But i did read about the bad pasting and issues. I looked at clevo to but don't like the build quality. Is this msi up with Alienware?

@woodzstack, i read that you offer these laptops too?

(Enlish can be off a bit, I'm from Europe)

 

@woodzstack it seems that your getting some attention from people wanting to get this laptop from you. Can you explain the process when someone orders from you from start to finish(sending the laptop to the customer)? I am curious about this as well.

 

From my experience so far, Woodzstack has been really good. It is one of the best customer experience I had yet with computer hardwares and I had a lot....

 

Trust me they make money, these systems are very inexpensive for them. Eurocom says they do not give deals to anyone who asks, but I have about 20 accounts of that being a complete bold faced lie. Anyways, thank you for the mention, I thought initially to save you time and ship direct because of a little setback, and instead of making you wait an extra week. At the time, I only had gone through a few F5's, they all had issues, and were RMA'd but I was reassured that was completely my fault and not Eurocom's and I was ridiculed for it, without apology or anything for about a week. They even threatened to not sell to me anymore, all because I had a few DOA's at my door. Turns out there was crazy issues with the laptops they were sending me, and we eventually found screws under the motherboard, i mentioned this in this thread earlier. So, when I shipped it directly, i had thought it would be fine. However - thank you for bearing with me - we now know not to trust the quality control from Eurocom on these laptops. I've pretty much convo's and sent emails to almost everyone of them individually and as a group in group chats, but the quality never got addressed and very few times even got a response out of them. One of them linked me an archaic design document on 20 year old practices for applying thermal paste, just to show me how outdated they are with thier procedures.
Anyways - had I know ALL of them come with issues, I;d have not sent you directly, I still sit bolt up in the middle of the day just thinking about how bad of a mistake that could have been. ****, I'm trying to do the best business I can and let that one slip up, I relied on a partner that couldn't hold thier end of the deal so to speak.

Well, call me a romantic, but I will secretly convo you on discord or through emails showing you how beautifully your laptop gets dressed when I'm handling it. I literally take time to go through it entirely. Like the GU's I've always sold, I HONESTLY triple test everything. I do not say I double test it ( which for instance, the big guy in the room here, has a new tech assemble the laptop like a chain gang quickly, and then 1 supervisor just nods and does some check marks signing off on it) - and then do nothing but assemble it without looking. I really test it, I send you updates , pictures, thoughts, conclusions - very personalised hand crafted experience.
These laptops NEED to be checked. When 25% of them die right away or within a few days or have broken parts loosely moving around inside, and the company has been notified of this a month ago, and no change has been made - you make sure to triple check things.

I'm flexible and give the laptop an entire evening of my time and share everything I do. Since Eurocom as an example is next door to me, replacing something that is amiss is quick enough. You live in Poland ? Germany ? Russia ? Saudi Arabia, UK, Spain etc... if there si an issue, your looking at weeks before you get the RMA approved, which is weeks after delivery, then your waiting a few more weeks for it to get back to the depot, and then an undetermined amount of time before they contact you or respond to your emails, and replace it. With me, small hiccups like that, you wouldn't even notice because I catch things before having them shipped. ALSO - shipping to me from Eurocom is like 20-30$ max. Also - because I get like 40% discount on shipping, and always give that discount to the client, shipping from me is usually cheaper then with Eurocom. For instance, they want $39USD to ship to NYC. It's $22CAD for me (for an F5 system as an example), but I ship for free when its that low and it's a whole system. I'm not one of those greedy business types that tries to make extra money with the shipping process (MAN do I hate that sooo much, I made a serious promise to myself to NEVER be that guy).