*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Oh awesome thank you for the kind words. I have a feedback thread you people, hahah ! I used to just be able to have my feedback thread in my signature, but apparently vendors and resellers and mods complained, so I was asked to remove it. But if you go to the NBR Market place, there's a feedback area, mine usually has a recent bump in the last month or so so it's on first page. Just look for my Avatar.

Anyways - this thread is supposed to be more about these laptops, and not about my particular services, if you want to know more, just convo me, the Mods on NBR are very chill so long as everyone plays by the rules so to speak you know. Now that being said, what I like to do with any new F5's I have coming in, I would like to share here in this thread, I think i shared 2-3 already, and what the opening experience was, and what was needed from a QA point and so forth.

Threads like this are excellent place to share your experience when you get your laptop and what it can do and how your experience was from purchase to delivery and use. Long live the socketed laptops ! (I can half picture Papusan swallowing a little and smiling to himself..)

 

@woodzstack, thanks for the explanation. I'll send you a confo? Gues that's a personal message.

 

yeah, thats the equivalent of a private convo on Zenforo forums by default. You just click the avatar and 'start conversation'.

 

Can't start a private conversation, not enough post. Need 5 i read somewere. This would be 3

 

4

 

5, sorry guys lol

 

Still nothing, i'll go sleep and check tommorow. Maybe the server needs some time.

 

lol, no worries. I will start one with you, my bad. Should have checked this. BTW, welcome to NBR. Finish your profile, get a picture/avatar or signature going etc.. some people like to see your here to stay, you know what I mean ?

 

I will, know what you mean too. Got your pm, thanks. I'll reply tommorow, realy have to go sleep now

 

I know you're smart Wodz.
Yees to socket hardware... Only soldered trash = Back to desktops!! Why waste money on filth? No thanks Rather put your hard earned money into the toilet and flush down with a lot of water. But I tolerate BGA you know... In my smartphone!

 

BGA DUMBPHONE more like it !

 

My with my second re-paste I return victorious.

I didn't use enough Artic Silver on my emergency strat re-paste, CPU side was fine, but GPU was barely covered. Gelid spread much easier than the Kryonaut, but in the end I settled with the pea method, just using more than I did my previous paste. Switched out the thermal pads, and replaced the garbage screws with the stainless steel ones. Unfortunately, I miss measured my back panel screws, so I got a size skinner than I should of. I'll need to re-order those in a bigger size.

I also figured out what the misc. piece of metal that feel off during my first repaste was. Turns out it's an end cap on the grill for the fans. Unbent it and snapped it back in place.

Ran Firestrike a few times on stock settings and GPU temp is ~75C to 80C each run. CPU temp is between 83C to 93C.

This is my new result:
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11348096

Graphics score is now in the 17K area, and combined score is 14,300 range. Feel all is right with this laptop now... except I'm having problems with Windows 10 with the (plugged in/not charging error).

 

How do you like the Intel 600p so far? Ever have any issues?

Also, you got a link to the screws? After reading about the heat-sink screw-heads stripping due to the soft material they're made from, I might as well order the better screws ahead of time. I think someone (maybe you?) posted a set of links to different screws for the F5 earlier in this thread.

 

I haven't had any issues with the Intel 600p. I run most of my stuff off the SSD for games, movies, etc.

Here is the link to replace the garbage heatsink screws with something that will last:
http://www.laptopscrews.com/M2x4.htm
M2x4mm - Stainless Steel Pan Head Machine Screw - DIN 7985

I "think" these are the actual screws for the laptop bottom panel, will order and give them a shot:
http://www.laptopscrews.com/M2.5x6.htm

Hope that helps.

 

You can get your CPU higher, but your in the right stock score area.

 

Woodzstack, I decided to get your services to check on my laptop once I received it. To avoid RMAs and annoying problems, it seems really worth it. Way more than paying for a longer guarantee.

 

I'm going to post a mini review soon of this amazing beast.

 

Prevention is the best guarantee,

 

Tornado F5 owners I purchased a new LCD for my beast after I grew very disappointed with the 63hz I was able to achieve. Coming from a 144hz desktop at home it just wasn't always cutting it.

Early on with my GT62 I discovered that that the screen was like glued on. My guess was this was done to prevent backlight bleed and make the bezel very secure.

A week ago I read report of the Samsung PLS panel overclocking to excellent levels. Offering good response times, great brightness, same great colors and a high refresh rate seemed like a great deal. I found the screen I wanted for $30 on eBay shipped. It was listed as Used and untested so sold as is. For $30 I took that gamble.

The screen arrived this week and I just got home tonight to install it. It's 100% perfect. Not a single dead pixel or scratch on the screen. After wiping it off with a damp microfiber towel and drying it looks brand new. I also ordered new double sided 2mm 3M adhesive tape and a cellphone tool kit with plastic tools for prying the screen off.

Sure enough it's like glued down with an adhesive. The plastic tool made it easy to get under the adhesive and peel the bezel off from the inside. I have reattached the screen yet with the bezel but initial impressions and testing is excellent.

I am happy to report I am able to instantly overclock the PLS display to 97hz!

Brightness, color and contrast is excellent. Yes I lost G-Sync but the great refresh rate more than makes up for it at this point. It works great in games from a quick test and brightness controls all work.

 

That is seriously awesome to read, as I'm trying to find a good 4K panel for the F5. I'm glad that brightness levels can be adjusted with a "non-canonical" screen. Can you confirm that the eDP connector is really 30 pin? When I check the 4K Samsung panel's specs on panelook.com, it says 40 pins. But it might be that they make screens with both connectors.

 

My screen also tops out at 63hz, and I came from a laptop screen with 120hz. I can see the difference between both refresh rates.

 

For those that may be interested in an excellent non-G-Sync replacement panel this is the model number/panel I bought.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182401472393

LTN156HL02-201

Easily the best $30 I've spent on computer hardware.

 

Hey you guys so I'm thinking about repasting the CPU and gpu, what do you think about this thermal compound? Is it good enough or should I spend more and get a higher quality one? I've had this one since I replaced a CPU in my older laptop so I wanted to just use it out.


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IMO

Kryonaut / Liquid Ultra are the best of the best

 

Speaking of panels, any news on the 120hz gsync panel release for this laptop @Eurocom Support ?

 

Eurocom said last week of this month

 

I can confirm this. The panel your speaking of, is also this panel :
B156HTN05.2

You can see the same panel on upgrades for systems like the X4E2 or such... No brightness control yet, BUT - it will have 120Hz and g-sync !!!!

 

This si what I used to use when I didn't know better 20 years ago. This and AS5. There is Tx-4 which is better. I'm not sure why the similar naming. Get Gelid Extreme, or Tuniq's TX-4 or Grizzly Kryonaught for the best temps, and ease of use. Get IC7 for a no hassle leave it on for 1-2 years paste (but be mindful of scratching it onto a surface, and applying it on cold.)



actually, let me tell you as I tell many people, less is MORE. you want these pastes to be sooo thin, it only covers the microscopic gaps crated by the indentation in the writing/laser etching on the die. So thick enough to blur out the writing, thin enough to almost see through it. That's being perfect.

ALL thermal paste is an INSULATOR, and one selling you the idea it is HELPING conduct thermally is a snakeoil sales man blowing smoke up your ass. So, the thinner it is, the less insulating it is as well. Just like thermal pads, when you fold them or use thicker, they halve the efficiency.

in perfect situations, heatsinks would be mirror shiny and flat and evenly touching the die without any paste. If your unsure if the heatsink is very level of has a perfectly flat surface or the copper is grainy and very poor quality (like in the F5's for the GPU) then you want to be sure to use thermal paste, just enough to even out any unevenness.

You should be able to get like 15-20C better temps with this practice using almost any decent paste, if you learn some tricks in spreading it thinly (keeping it warm, and surface warm enough that it spreads easy but not hot that it bonds/melts/flattens)

 

Cool! Actually, I was thinking of this panel: SHARP IGZO LQ156D1JW04. Eurocom offers it in the M5 R2. If it is compatible, it would be my choice. I'm not looking for G-Sync or fast framerates, I'm looking for 3k or 4k with decent colors and 60 Hz for photography and video editing. I'll play the occasional game, but very casually, so for me high refresh rate is less valuable than colors and resolution. Actually, I'd say colors first, and then resolution/sharpness.

 

Man that's some lazy posting, you must have caught the mods in a good mood! ;-)

 

Well, it was the fastest way and it worked.. Luckely the barrier wasn't set on 50 post before being able to post pm's

 

Anyone else with these two issues.
1. Some keys on the keyboard are kinda lose. My are the "a" and "s" keys, and i think the "q" key will come next. When I press the other keys they dont sound lose. The "a" feels the most lose of all them.
2. The fans at idle sound like the ball bearings inside are kinda dry. The sound is kinda like metal grinding noises but only at idle.

Should I get ask for a RMA.

 

I don't have either of those problem.
Imo if it doesn't stop you from playing / working with it just stick to it. It's not like a whinny sound and a less tight keys is worth the shipping fee + 2 week of no laptop.

 

I might just ask them for a different keyboard and fans instead of sending the entire laptop.

 

MX-4 = Trash. Good enough for desktop hardware, but not in laptop's.

 

^^ THIS!!!! + Get yourself at least ICD, Kryonaut and/or GC Extreme, if you wanna have good results quick & dirty.

Or spend some time, do it carefully, go with CLU and you're golden, provided that your heatsink is making good contact.

 

That's awesome! So the mounting flanges are unused in your application? Is the 3M adhesive the only thing holding the screen on?

Do you notice any input lag being that it's an IPS? Also, in reference to the review on notebookcheck, how is the brightness drop-off after 30° from center?

This is very interesting to me, so much so that I might purchase it prior to the 120Hz screen option (also because of time constraints for me) and get an third party display to toss in.

I wonder if a G-Sync panel would work out of another machine without any modifications..

 

This is the panel I was planing for eventually as well, not sure why the Sharp wasn't offered as an upgrade. I purchased a very similar laptop for video editing on boxing day as well, except I opted for the 1080p screen and 6700k. If I had read a few more pages of the forum before buying, I too would have bought from woodzstack, hopefully I got a good one haha.

 

Man...what's going on here...

www.3dmark.com/fs/11356353

Beating my old score already,

www.3dmark.com/fs/11357291

Trying to reach the 19k mark.

 

WOW ... that unlocked 7700k @ 4.8 :O and that 22k Graphic score ...
Is that at stock voltage?

You have a very impressive build buddy, good job on the scores!
Can't wait to get that unlocked bios and push my laptop to it's limit hopefully i can get close to 17k score

My current score with stock 7700k and OC'ed GTX 1070.

 

Yes, stock voltage. This little machine is beating its big BGA brothers badly.

Now with that said, if you think what I'm doing is impressive, wait until Mr. Fox joins the arena. I think our scores may be close, as my entire basement is my AC. My idle temps at 4.8 is 21C

 

Idle temps at 4.8

 

Who is crazy enough to buy all sorts of Jokebook's when they can opt for this beast?
And ambient temp?

 

Current ambient, -6C hahaha

 

-6C wtf? Is your laptop in the Cooler?

 

I have same idle temp on oc'd processor as Ambient. No big difference idle vs. ambient when I use my Cooler master U3

 

hahaha, yes. Technically that cooler is the northeast. We had a nice snow storm yesterday and we are going in the single digits tonight (9 degrees, -12C). So I'm going to have some fun.

 

Well I live in Montreal, temperature is -14c outside but I keep room at 21c

 

Use those temps to your advantage! I love the cold, so I rarely turn on the heat in my garage where I do most of my heavy benching.

 

Hi Guys
I have a laptop MS-16L1 /i6700K/GTX970M 6GB/DDR4

Where can I find help in upgrading Bios? After connecting a new graphics card from MSI GT72 GTX 1060 6GB, the screen is black.
I installed my previous card (GTX 970M) and everything works correctly.

I think that's Bios issue

My bios version 16L1ED61