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    Ideapad Y510P

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by MJG1492, Jun 2, 2013.

  1. octiceps

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    According to the Notebookcheck.net review, the Y510p has more serious heat issues than the Y500. They noted that Turbo Boost on the 4700MQ was disabled as soon as more than one core was loaded. The i7-3630QM on the Y500 has a less severe throttling mechanism in which Turbo Boost would turn off under simultaneous CPU and GPU load, i.e. gaming, but would not if just the CPU was loaded, i.e. running Prime95 by itself. The way to ensure full Turbo Boost at all times on the Y500 is to use ThrottleStop, and I'm sure this is what you will need to do for the Y510p as well once the latest build of ThrottleStop, with Haswell support, is released.
     
  2. Rooy

    Rooy Notebook Enthusiast

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    Yes, I read the review, I even linked to it. The reason why I am asking for more data is because I want to verify this review. Also, throttlestop would most likely be useless unless you could reduce temps at the same time, e.g. through a massive undervolt. If the review is correct then the CPU should reach above 90°C without the turbo boost and start throttling down to 800MHz. Simply enabling turbo boost would most likely push the temperatures to very critical levels.
     
  3. Jobine

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    I agree with this. I play this game that requires 3ghz per core, and my Y410P has severe issues going past 2.4ghz.
     
  4. Jobine

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    I did the honors:

    View attachment 99964
     
  5. Diaphanous

    Diaphanous Notebook Consultant

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    This is your opinion, but I find it bizarre enough that I have to comment. Care to explain?
     
  6. TheNearEnd

    TheNearEnd Newbie

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    After many hours of Rift and running skyrim on ultra the highest temps that i have logged are 68C (SLI Model) i7 4700
     
  7. Jobine

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    Based on personal experiences/preferences. And yes it's my opinion.
     
  8. octiceps

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    It seems as if the thermal requirements of the Y510p have increased, but Lenovo did not improve the cooling design to account for that. The i7-3630QM on the Y500 only gets into the 90's if you use ThrottleStop to force Turbo Boost. Mind you, this is in demanding games that stress both the CPU and GPU, not an unrealistic test such as Prime95+FurMark simultaneously. The latter would cause it to reach thermal shutdown temperatures in short order, but thankfully real usage scenarios never push the system that hard. If you don't use ThrottleStop, CPU temps are fine and rarely go above 80C. I repasted and use a good cooling pad, so now my 3630QM never goes above 90C even in a CPU-heavy game such as BF3.
    That's bull, unless you're referring to GPU temps.
     
  9. Mad-Hatter

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    Alright, so I ran PS2 on fullest gfx possible for about 2.5 hrs. Logged some info but don't know what to view those .CSV logs with. Anyway, for the CPU temp I was getting around 70-80'C throughout, the average temp between cores was 77.7-79.6'C, and maximum temp was 86.0-90.0'C, although I never noticed it go anywhere near 90. None of the cores went through Thermal Throttling according to HWiNFO. Not sure if turbo was on at any point but it does say maximum core clock was 3396.9 MHz, avg 2440 MHz, min 899 MHz. I'm not sure if I'm understading these right though :D

    As for the GPU, I got 79.3'C average with max at 89.0'C for the 1st card, and 86.8'C avg 98.0'C max for the other.

    Overall, at no point was it too hot to be uncomfortable.

    Hope that helps, if not then I can run it again. :thumbsup:
     
  10. Jobine

    Jobine Notebook Prophet

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    I second that.

    Played BF3 for 2 hours today and wasnt overly hot. My temps were around yours (74 GPU, 65 CPU)
     
  11. octiceps

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    The thermal throttling reading in HWiNFO64 doesn't mean anything and would not be able to determine if the CPU was in fact throttling itself by disabling Turbo Boost, since disabling Turbo Boost is technically not considered throttling. In order to find out whether or not your 4700MQ is actually Turbo Boosting to the highest multiplier in games you would need to add the appropriate HWiNFO64 sensor readings to the RTSS OSD included in MSI Afterburner and monitor them in real-time. I've included an example of that in my BF3 screenshot below.

    I am almost certain Turbo Boost is being disabled in your case because your average core clock speeds are very close to the highest non-Turbo speed of 2.4 GHz. In my case, I'm using ThrottleStop to force Turbo Boost and my average clock across all cores in a round of BF3 is almost exactly 3.2 GHz. If this is indeed the case, your 4700MQ is running quite hot for having Turbo Boost disabled, but I'm not too surprised because it's a known fact that Haswell runs slightly hotter than Ivy Bridge.

    Your Ultrabay GPU is overheating and throttling itself. When the 750M reaches 97C, it will automatically halve the core clock speed.
    That's bull. Pics or it didn't happen. I played just one round of BF3 on my Y500 GT 650M SLI overclocked to 1120/2250 and ThrottleStop on. GPU temps went above 80C and CPU went above 90C. I wasn't using a cooling pad this time so everything is 5C hotter than it usually is but still, there's no way your machine runs cooler than mine. If anything, it should run hotter because Haswell is not as cool as Ivy Bridge and stock core voltage on the 750M is much higher than on the 650M. If you understand physics you'll know that voltage increases raise the temperature drastically compared to just increasing clock speeds.

    fIhIFjo.jpg CPU Temps.PNG GPU Temps.PNG
     
  12. PhD

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    hey guys, i was wondering for a laptop which one would be more recommended, the y510p or the Sager NP 4650, both stock. As i need one for school and a little bit of light gaming.
     
  13. NRSally

    NRSally Notebook Guru

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    Has anyone who ordered a y510 since July 25 received a glossy display? If Lenovo switched (back) to matte displays, it would be nice if they would update their web site. If they switched for the y510p, I wonder what the odds of them switching to a matte display for the y410p are. Also, their web site has a link for free returns at the top of the page that says their no questions asked free returns policy goes through 7/31. If the policy is being continued into August or indefinitely, I wish they'd update their web site, and if not, I wish they'd remove the link...
     
  14. alucasa

    alucasa Notebook Evangelist

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    Their screen has always been glossy on Y510p.
     
  15. BubbaRob

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    That's a negative. The one I purchased from Microcenter in mid July was full matte. The rumor is they discontinued the matte in favor of glossy but now there is question that they may be shipping again with matte or people are getting leftover matte screen stock as they transition to glossy. Not sure what Lenovo is doing.
     
  16. alucasa

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    Mid-july, so I guess the first shipment had matte screen. I stand corrected then.
     
  17. BubbaRob

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    Yeah I think you're right, if I remember correctly the date of manufacture on the box was end of June. So it appears they shipped the first batch with matte screens.
     
  18. lsdaniel01

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    Just use intel hd 4000 or better for light gaming...
     
  19. Jobine

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    This. A u410/u430 will probably handle light games.
     
  20. PhD

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    I was going to use this for dota and Csgo. so idoubt a HD 4000 will work, plus i want something along the lines of 15inch
     
  21. Rooy

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    So, seems there is a Y510PT-ISE coming out in the near future. Looks intriguing, but I'm not sure if there will be a SLI version or not. I also think that if they'd simply put two 755m GPUs in a Y510P, there will be even more serious heat issues. This is purely speculation from this point onward, but a Y510P with a single 755m, a 4700 with full turbo boost and maybe a second fan instead of the optical drive to get the heat in line would be pretty ing awesome imo.
     
  22. panzer06

    panzer06 His Imperial Majesty

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    On the SLI models is there any way to tell if a game or other application is taking advantage of both GPUs?

    Cheers,
     
  23. alucasa

    alucasa Notebook Evangelist

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    The optional second fan bay does not help as far as I know. Remember the cooling system doesn't change. Heatpipes don't connect to the optional fan bay. And there is hardly any difference between 750m and 755m.
     
  24. Rooy

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    I know that the second fan most likely won't help much, but depending on the outlay of the ultrabay it might give you some additional airflow. And I can't find any reliable information on the 755m, but if this thing really has a tdp of 16w and is all around better than the 750m that would be awesome.
     
  25. alucasa

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    There were few posts somewhere here that the second bay fan doesn't do a jack. It was probably from the Y500 thread. And if you think about it logically, it won't help much. If anything, it might rather hinder and complicate the airflow.

    Furthermore, there is no way that 755m could be 16w tdp. Again, logically, that's not possible.
     
  26. Xehanort

    Xehanort Notebook Geek

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    hey guys
    I plan to buy y510p.
    I heard that there are some problems in the intel wireless card 2230N.
    Can some of you share some experiences? Thanks.
     
  27. octiceps

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    Best way is to have an overlay such as RTSS OSD, which is part of the MSI Afterburner package, running in-game which displays sensor information from the GPU and CPU. If only one GPU is seeing significant usage or there is a large disparity between the usage percentages of the GPU's then you know SLI is currently not being utilized in the game. See my screenshot for an example:

    fIhIFjo.jpg
     
  28. SpinalTarp

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    Hey Rooy, what do you know about this Y510PT-ISE? How will it be different than the current y510p models that they're offering?

    Thanks.
     
  29. Ashmedai

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    Download Nvidia inspector, there is a little drop down menu that switches between GPU 0 and GPU 1, it shows the usage percentage, if one of them is at 0% it's not using SLI
     
  30. Rooy

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    To be honest, I don't know anything about it. It's up on the chinese lenovo page and that's about all there really is. According to google translater the chinese configuration has got a 4700, a 1080p display and a single 755m. From the pictures it looks identical to the Y500/Y510P and it most likely is a Y510P with one or maybe two 755s instead of 750s.
    The biggest difference would be the 755m. There isn't much info out there, but the 755m looks like a slightly better 750m. The TDP that is floating around the web and that I quoted really is unrealistic and either a mistype or an entirely wrong number. If it was a mistype that could hint at a 36W TDP, but this is purely speculation. If they really could lower the TDP while improving performance it would be a straight upgrade over the 750m. If the 755 had a higher TDP than the 750 I would stay away from the new model, because the cooling system can hardly keep up as is. And I don't think they are going to change the cooling system. They also changed back to the 4700 instead of the 4702, but depending on your region you can also get a "normal" Y510P with the 4700.
    TL;DR: There is no info out there yet. We'll have to wait and see.
     
  31. ichan323

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    hmmm i thinks that is really y510p with minor upgrade... but i still confuse about difference Nvidia GT 750 and GT 755.. some site give the informations bout gt 755 m walk in 16 TDP... if its really 16 tdp, its awesome.. btw anyone find the real information about the comparison?

    btw i got a little problems with my lenovo y510p 59370005, why my screen doesnt show up when i change my rams?? the factory ram is 8gb (2x4) ddr3l from samsung and i decided to change it to corsair 8gb ddr 3 pc15000... but when i try to turn on my laptop, the screen doesnt show up.. any have some trouble with me? or system from lenovo ignore remove the factory rams?

    coz when i try to put corsair rams to my old laptop its work but why i put in lenovo y510p its doesnt work??
     
  32. Dragnoak

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    For those of you that have the Synaptics Click Pad V1.2 with driver 16.4.1.0 loaded, how can you enable 1 finger scroll? Do you need to disable Edge Swipe, for the right swiping area to be activated?
     
  33. psyauto

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    Try to put the new memory sticks in reverse slots, so if you have:
    RAM module 1 --> slot 1
    RAM module 2 --> slot 2

    Try and swap them

    RAM module 2 --> slot 1
    RAM module 1 --> slot 2
     
  34. ichan323

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    its doesnt work sir...
    hmm... or its coz processor haswell only match with ddr3l issues?? or bios setting default 1.35V? so i can'nt change my ram ddr3l 1.35v to ddr 3 1.5v???
     
  35. PhD

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    Well i just ordered the laptop and im excited as it is suppose to come by August 13.
     
  36. Tonamon

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    REALLY? Wow. I have to wait for a long time.. Probably should have ordered from Lenovo, but they don't have the 16 gb SLI version in Canada.
     
  37. Jobine

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    I dedicate this video to every UPS person who delayed and damaged my orders: (Not recommended for children under 14):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i61aSmql7a8
     
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    So would you recommend this laptop for me? I'm a PC gamer, but would like to focus my power a little bit more towards video editing/composting.
     
  41. Jobine

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    Hmmmm.

    If you are going for *pure* video editing, go for the Thinkpad W530. But the Quadro isnt good at gaming. But W530 is like 300-400 more expensive than Y510P SLI (tho it has better build quality and battery life, but heavier and noisier)

    Hmm, what's your budget and what other options are you considering?
     
  42. Ohfoohy

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    Budget is only $1,200-1,300. Which is why I've been focusing on this one.

    I'm a desktop guy, I know nothing about laptops.
     
  43. Jobine

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    In that price range:

    Either Y510P for Raw power (SLI packs a punch) or Sager NP7330 for some portability. Keep in mind the Y510P is maybe 100-200$ cheaper, and that money could go towards a SSD.
     
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    Hey guys, if I remember correctly, the y500 was unable to use it's integrated Intel graphics. Is this true with the y510p as well or can you manually switch between the Nvidia 750m and the Intel 4600 graphics card?
     
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    Guys, do you know if there is any way to get 5.1 surround sound from a Y500/Y510p?

    Cuz on mine isnt working via simple HDMI conection. :/
     
  46. BubbaRob

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    I had the SLI model and you can remove the extra video card out of the ultrabay and force installation of the HD4600 Intel video driver and then you can use the integrated graphics. You select it from the Nvidia control panel. I am not sure if you can do this with the non-SLI version. Once the extra video card is removed it does take a mintute or two (with a few screen flashes) for the system to recognize you removed the card. This does not require a reboot though. FYI removing one of the cards gave me a lot of extra battery power. By the way I have the HD4600 driver in my dropbox if you need it.
     
  47. egzoti4en

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    Hi can you send a link as i also have the SLI model and want to use the internal card when on battery. Also what happens if you remove the SLI instal the intel drivers then again attach the SLI and after a period remove it again. Do you need to install the drivers again ?
     
  48. Ohfoohy

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    Okay. Placed an order for the laptop! Is there anything I need to do when I first get the laptop?
     
  49. BubbaRob

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    Send me a PM and I'll send you the link when I get to work. You don't have to remove or add drivers again, just put the second card back in the ultrabay and wait for the Nvidia control panel to recognize the SLI setup again. May take a couple minutes and screen flashes again. That's all I did. You can remove and replace all you want once you install the drivers the first time.
     
  50. egzoti4en

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    Thank you for the reply unfortunately i was not able to find a way to send you a PM could you please send me an email with the link to [email protected]. Thank you in advance..
     
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