Aorus X5 V7, X7 V7, DT X7 all estimated for June release in USA

This is my first laptop, moving away from building desktops after so many years. That 7820hk does incredible boosting performance past gtx1080 max Q 8 out of 10 games.

Considering i really wanted a zephyrus this works out even better.

I was going to buy a Eurocom X4C with 8600k, and gtx1070 or 1080. But I really wanted something sleek and slim, and easy to carry. Plus, the socket is ticking on time just like any cpu.

 

After having both, you aren't missing anything with the Zephyrus. This is a far better value.

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Thats what i was thinking. Ive never owned a ips gsync panel, or even a 4k one. I wish it was the ips 2880x1620 ips version. But considering it will be for alot of media and cad work im excited.

The pixel density is so great, i think for 1440p will still look great on this 4k panel in my games. Id rather do that, than turn down detail.

Do you still have the aorus? I plan on keeping this one itleast a year.

 

I will sell this one next march of 2019 re coupe some money, and purchase a X7 V8 most likley.
Id like to stay on the yearly cycle, without losing any more than $500-$600 each year.

 

Why do you say that?


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Yup, still got it. I did swap out the qhd panel for a 4k one though.. I'm still very happy with it, even with the old panel.

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Well for one, a Aorus X7 V7 with gtx1070 is faster than a Zephyrus with a gtx1080. 17.9mm vs 22.9mm

And the Zephyrus is probably the fastest gtx1080 max Q design, of all of them. It beats it by not a hair, but were talking a good gap. Read this review.

Thats the X5 V7 review with the same specs.
It changed my mind about the whole max Q thing, after i read the gaming performance section

Overclocking the CPU, and GPU And a repaste, will show even more improvement!

I play Fallout 4 99% of the time, so upgrading to DDR4 3200mhz, from the factory 2,444mhz is inevitable. It shows huge gains in this title for some reason.


https://www.techspot.com/review/1466-aorus-x5-v7/

 

Ok. Thanks.

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What is the fastest ddr4 the 7820HK and aorus will support?

I see ddr4 4000mhz sodimm sticks are available. Is it even possible to run memory that fast? The 7820HK natively supports 2400mhz, and laptops like the Omen x run ddr4 2800mhz. Some people have reported 3200mhz works with xmp. But, due to the extreme expense of anything faster, there is little info if any.

You think XMP would boot up at 4000mhz?

 

The Zephyrus trackpad is awful. Speakers are crummy in comparison. The plastic bottom feels cheap. The red lights are annoying. Only a single m.2 slot. Limited to 24gb of ram. Those are the quick and dirty for me. The only real positive for the Zephyrus in comparison is portability.

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These are all the same cons i read in every single Zephrus review! Lol. And, i read everyone on google.

Yea 8gb is soldered to the mainboard unfortunately.

Newegg does have the Asus Zephyrus gtx1070 on sale, it is an open box with 10% off. So its only $1,798 shipped. If you can deal with the use of only 16-24gb of memory, and a 1080p panel its not a bad laptop.

But, the aorus x5 v7, or x7 v7 gtx1070 straight smokes it by about 30+%. Albeit the cpu helps with the beat down.

Nontheless its a nice slim laptop. With good build quality.

 

The trackpad was truly the deal breaker for me. When I wrote my original Zephyrus review by with the 1080, I gave it a pass since I didn't have any major issues. But when I bought the 1070 version a few months later and spent some hard time with it, it got worse and worse. There were points where the trackpad just all of a sudden stopped working. It could have been a defect, but others on the forums had similar issues so I returned it. I got a similar deal on Amazon for 20% off, leaving the final price after tax at $1550, if that tells you anything.

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People are saying the Aorus X7 V7 uses a crappy E lan track pad. While other reviews make it out to be the best thing since sliced bread.

What are your thought on the X7 V7 track pad?

Anything I should be aware of on my used X7 V7? Repaste etc. Etc.

I got it for $1,725 on ebay used, but for only 1 month. Its like new. It is the 4K4D model, with 512gb ssd. I haven't received it yet.

 

It's all about the drivers; the hardware of the trackpad is great, but if you're using the stock ELAN drivers you're not going to have a good time, but switch to windows precision drivers and it's on par with the macbook.

 

Exactly this. I thought the trackpad was just ok before, but after switching to windows precision, it's great.

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What driver did you use? I had an earo 15 that i returned because it took a dump in me. But i had used windows precision drivers from lenovo and they were horrible.

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I can't remember off hand but someone posted a link about 6-10 pages back. I'm pretty sure they were Lenovo drivers though.

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Sweet! Im ready to get this thing.

This laptop is so slim for a full gtx1070 and 7820hk. Virtually every other laptop that competes with the X7 v7 is extremely fat.

 

Does anyone know how to make the fans on this laptop not turn on while normal web browsing or even at idle with and without undervolting. I cant figure out either way.

Edit. On the x5 v7 that is.

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In Command and Control, you should be able to switch fans to quiet mode. That turns them off until about 50C. With a properly pasted CPU, you can pretty much browse all you want with no fans. Unfortunately the manual fan settings don't allow zero fan speed past the first setpoint for some reason.

 

Well i got all of the commands center controls to power save and quiet. It hovers aroun 55-58c. At idle. Im not cracking the thing open because i dont want to void my warranty. I messed with undervolting but it didnt seem to help.

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seems like a bad paste job. my machine can browse on quiet mode for quite a while with its undervolt. the whole warranty thing if you open it depends on your region/distributor i guess. mine was okay with me opening mine up to repaste and adding another m.2 stick

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Im not to impressed with this laptop so far.

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Ive seen people repaste these and show very little difference, reflecting how good the factory paste already is.

You`ve got a really thin laptop, With a full power gtx1070.

Try proping the rear of the laptop up some. This may help.

Also, sometimes a bad windows 10 will heat components, several apps running in the back ground can create more load and power draw.

This can easily be user error. Id look in to a windows 10 pro fresh install, and removing the performance hogging background service that are on your OS
People easily achieve better temps, faster OS, and quieter idle machines by following the the right guides.

 

I would guess it kinda depends on what paste you're using. For me its TG Kryonaut and it has shown some improvement so thats all fine by me. My factory paste job was questionable as well so thats definitely a factor

Perhaps use the feet included in the box to prop it up?

 

What kind of overclocks do you get on your gpu?

Can you get 9,000+ on the gtx1070's memory? Usually the samsung memory does good.

Im still waiting on my x7 v7. So, no experience yet.

 

+168 on core and +690 on memory

thats the highest i went

 

It has a fresh install of windows home. Cpu idle is less tha ln 2%. Nothings running in the background. Yea nothing really cools this down unless you tear into it. Limiting max cpu percentage in battery control to undervolting to lower frequency of the multiplier.

I understand this is a semi thin gaming laptop but honestly somewhere there needs to be a line drawn where the thing is idle and should not be able to cook an egg on it. That can be said for any laptop. The aero 15 i had the cpu never go that hot even though it was a 7700hq. Not much different clock speeds.

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And to add to all that the hdd on here is noisy.

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Im going liquid metal repaste right out of the gate. It will be silent upon idle or light usage. And, it will not throttle, EVER.

The design of the x7 v7 is better thermally. Than would i listed below this. So, just imagine

You know the zephyrus? People repaste it with liquid metal, and get 2,000mhz core clocks on that gtx1080. Its not even close to a max Q at those speeds. Its no longer a max q.

20+ celcius drop in load temps on average.

Less power usage, due to less heat.

Ive delided quite a few cpu's.and used liquid metal before. So i feel confident about it, due to moving it around alot ill use electrical tape as a barrier, or saftey net just in case.

Im expecting no less than a stable 1950-2,000mhz on the gpu with the Aorus x7 v7. Possibly 4.3Ghz on the cpu to.

 

Thats great and all but that doesnt stop the fact that it voids the warranty and im not doing that.

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Who did you buy it from and where?


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Amazon.

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Have you checked with Gigabyte about whether you can open it up? AFAIK those breakable seals that void warranty aren't legal.


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Mine didn't have any seals at all. And yes, you're right, if you live in US or Canada, they can't enforce them.

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Besides the cpu difference, doesn't the aero 15 use optimus? That's a huge difference since you don't have a second piece of hardware always spitting out heat, raising the overall temps (especially since they have a shared heatpipe). Pros and cons of optimus vs gsync.
Like others said though, after repasting, the fans are off on 'quiet' mode when browsing the web.

 

Yes it uses optimus but thats for the gpu switching and better battery life. The cpu does not get nearly as hot on the aero as is does the x5 v7. I have to turn power setting on and reduce the cpu max percentage to 70% to keep the fans from turning on in quiet mode. The gpu idles at 47 to 48c the cpu idles at 55 to 58c. While the cpu usage is at 2% and the frequency is around 1.6.

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Right, so on the Aero, unless you're gaming or doing something that would force the dGPU to turn on, you have no extra heat produced by the hardware with the highest TDP in the laptop. On the contrary, in the x5/x7 the GPU is always on and always generating heat, raising the internal laptop temps, and therefore raising the temp of the CPU, not to mention the shared heatpipe between the GPU and CPU further raising temps on the CPU.

Note that "better battery life" is directly linked to how much power is being drawn, and that is directly linked to how much heat is created and has to be dissipated.

 

Right, so on the x5 v7 the gpu is always on. The gpus temp is 48. While the cpus temp is 58c on power save. They pretty much have separate cooler besides like one heat pipe. The gpu is not heating the processor.

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of course it is; it's raising the ambient temperature in the laptop and therefore raising the temperature of the cpu. Anything inside the laptop creating temps over the ambient temperature will raise the temp of the cpu. Pair that with a heatpipe connecting the two and a more power hungry cpu than that of the Aero and it's not surprising why the temps are warmer without fans actively dissipating heat.

 

You dont get it do you. So if that were the case then why isnt the gpu temps higher? Same idea. Gpu heats the cpu to a higher temp. Why isnt the higher temp heating the lower temp.

So if the cpu is at idle and hardly working and the gpu is working then why is the cpu temp higher than the gpu?

My whole point is the gpus heat is not causing cpu to miraculously heat higher than the gpu temp. The cooling system cannot even keep the cpu reaonably cool at idle. What makes you think the cooling system can keep the cpu cool at max? If anything the cpu will make the gpu over heat.

No duh the cpu runs hotter in the x5. Thats why theres 6 heat pipes in the x5 instead of 2 in the aero 15. Even though those two heat pipes keep the cpu cooler that are shared with the gpu than the x5s 3 of their own for the cpu.

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I don't think there's ever a good way to explain it. I don't care how many heat pipes or fans you have, as long as poor quality control exists, YMMV. All it takes is a slight bend in the copper for improper contact. And I about flipped my lid when two of the screws on my x7 CPU were loose (when I went to repaste). The fact is, they'll never start caring to do better because most people don't know any better. Most people are just naive to it and just play.

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I bought mine used for $1,700 with the 4k panel, and 512gb ssd W 1tb hdd. He bought it last month brand new,

Im not worried about warranty. This is not a new product. As in, its not a brand new design. With kinks and issues under neath.

Aorus has built several variants of it, and they all hold up well on the used market.

Repasting with liquid metal is worth having 30c/ 30c cpu and gpu idle temps. You will not throttle anymore, and your laptop will boost much higher all while running cooler and using less power.

Ive ordered liquid metal, i should have my x7 v7 by friday or saturday. I could do a small write up on this, and post back with pics.

 

The cpu cannot cool as easily because there is now something (the GPU) making environment warmer. So you almost have it with "Why isnt the higher temp heating the lower temp." because yes it is, the problem is that the delta in the temps is much smaller between 58C (CPU) and 48C (GPU) than 58C (CPU) and 20C (no GPU).

Think of it this way, if you have a heater in your room raising the ambient temperature, obviously the laptop and its CPU temp will be warmer (even though the CPU is FAR hotter than the room) than in the scenario where you removed/turned off the heater, lowering the ambient temperature of the room. Now swap out heater for GPU and there you go.
This is why people that oc/uv and compare thermals afterwards, always specify the ambient temperature because someone living in Alaska in the winter will get vastly different results than someone in Texas in the summer.

This is my final attempt at trying to explain this as I can't make it simpler (maybe someone else can), and I don't want to further pollute the thread with basics.

 

Its not so much the fact that im worrying about it failing more than i am annoyed with. The only reason why i worry about it taking a crap on is my aero 15 died 29 day after purchase. Could have been a fluke but with the way my x5 is acting compared to what others are saying i have my doubts itll be reliable.

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You are missing the whole point. With the way you explain it. Then the gpu would become the same temp as the cpu when there is not active cooling going. They share a heat pipe, ambient air temp close quarters. You are referencing that thengpu is causing the cpu to become hotter. Heat moves to colder temps. A colder object does not make a higher temp object hotter. They will equalize.

My whole point is even undervolting and underclocking the cpu does not idle at a reasonable temp. Therefore it leads me to believe something is wrong inside.

Think about it this way. You do not walk outside in cold temps and get warmer. The way you are explaining it means you walk outside in cold temps and got warmer.

Heres another example. If you have a hand warmer that is only heating to 90f amd you are holding it in your hands and your hands are 98f. Then you are warming the hand warmer. If the hand warmer does not get hotter than your body temp them your body heat is transferring to the hand warmer.

I dont know how else to explain it.



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What mV you running at that?

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You're so close... in your example, ask yourself how long will it take for your hand (cpu) take to fall to 80F or even 90F while you're holding the hand warmer (gpu) vs if you dropped it (turned off the gpu).
Unfortunately I'm an engineer and not a teacher, so I don't know how to make this easier to understand.

 

I dont understand. The hand warmer is producing heat, just not enough to make it the same or hotter than your hands. No matter what the hand warmer in this case will not get less than 90*f or above 98*f. Same for your hands. So in your question if you dropped the hand warmer your hands rise back to 98*f and the hand warmer will go back down to 90*f. The only way your hands will get hotter is if the temp from the outside is hotter than 98*f.

I get what you are trying to say, ambient temps rise cause other temps to rise. point being the cpu will be that temp once everything normalize. it has x amount of power being used. Unless ambient temp is hotter than the cpu, the cpu will not get hotter. with your analogy there is more than a heater and a laptop in a room. There is also another form of heat, the gpu. If the ambient temp is 50*c from the gpu heat and the heater in the room. The laptop cpu is 55*c, the laptop is transferring heat to the ambient air and the gpu. There is still a cooling process going on. if the ambient air rises then the cpu temp will also rise. but everything has normalize. The gpu is not getting hotter and the heater is not heating the room anymore. until the ambient air is increasing the the cpu temp the cpu temp will stay the same at idle. The point is the 48*c gpu temp is not causing my cpu temp to go from 55*c to 58*c. Thats the cpu causing that not the gpu. The gpu at this point is still acting like a heat sink. If the gpu temp was 40*c then the cpu temp will most likely be 50*c. not rocket science.

The aero 15 had less cooling capabilites in a small chassis. The x5 has more cooling capabilites in a larger chassis. 3x times as much maybe even more since it cooled out four different vents instead of two. it cannot keep a cpu cool. it can keep the gpu cool but not cpu. do you get that part? Id hope you are an engineer (by the way thats just super.) Is there any more useless information about yourself you want to share?

 

Thats a nice setup your running.

Are you able to overclock system ddr4? I see alot of sets of sodimm memory available ddr4 3200/3800/4000.

Im finding very little info if we can run such fast ddr4 on a 7820hk, i play alot of Fallout 4 so going from DDR4 2400 to DDR4 3000 or higher than that shows huge improvements.

I cannot find anyone who has pushed the 7820hk imc to see if its possible to run such fast options of memory

Every 300mhz faster the memory is, literally imcreases 5+fps more.

So its worth it, especially with huge 4k texture packs, and running the most demanding game on the market "Fallout 4 VR" it easily makes 1080Ti's whimper.


How cool would it be to run a steady 4.5Ghz on the cpu with ddr4 4000mhz? This would be nice