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    Dell Inspirion 7577

    Discussion in 'Dell' started by Sugil1844, Aug 30, 2017.

  1. custom90gt

    custom90gt Doc Mod Super Moderator

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    The power app installed fine on my fresh install.
     
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    Maybe that was because the windows version would be different ? The current version i have installed is 1709 and the one dell ships is a bit old , i think that may be the reason it doesn't let me download it from windows store on the new version
     
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    Download it from the windows store? I don't know what that means.
    I installed the latest creators update.
     
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    Yes I just edit last post :) Finally I have fix maxxaudio, now working fine.. I have just install latest Realtek Audio ALC3246 Driver update (because before I had only run Driver Booster,it wrong)

    PM i only use it to charge on range set 50% - 90%, for plus battery life at long-term
    The software does not affect battery autonomy in using
     
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    actually when i download Dell Power app from Dell website , It downloads "Dell Power Manager Service" and then asks to download the Desktop app from Windows store , and on opening the app on windows store it says app unavailable.
     
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    Weird I see what you mean. I am pretty sure they had the full app listed when I did my fresh install...
    You can try this one for the 9360:
    https://downloads.dell.com/FOLDER04514170M/1/System-Utilities_Application_8MJFN_WN64_2.2.1_A00.EXE
     
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    Are you guys having "Windows Audio Device Isolation" in task manager use 2-10% of CPU usage when playing audio? Noticed some days ago, but haven't found a solution. The Maxxaudio app has too much post-processing that I don't know how to remove. When I had my Dell XPS didn't notice this taking too much CPU usage, not more than 1%. Also, how are your fans when playing games? Mines are louder than my previous Dell XPS 15, and these ones even sound whiny.
     
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    I just barely got a chance to tinker with mine after finishing my homework late last night, but my fans seem quiet throughout their range for what they are and where they are positioned. Certainly a bit softer of an edge than my current laptop's single fan, but overall probably a bit louder... which is to be expected for a "gaming" laptop with dual fans vs an average media laptop with single fan. I was a little bit disappointed and confused why they seem to spin up to high-rpm's every so often while charging and not even doing anything besides slowly poking around the O/S options. I am planning on cloning my current OS install to a temporary disk and then doing a clean install of Win10 today. I will have to check out what you speak of and see if mine is noticeable doing it. FWIW I usually turn my audio processing up to 24bit studio quality at the Windows OS level.

    EDIT:
    Btw, just checked mine while watching a YouTube video and my usage seems to be 2-4% and 28,740 K memory. According to this article this issue is primary to Windows 7. See here: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht069905 to see if any of your "enhancements" are turned on. Also if you press the windows key and start typing Waves MaxxAudioPro you can poke around the audio app's interface. My laptop came stock at 24bit 48KHz also. All considered, your usage doesn't seem to fall anywhere close to the stories on the internet saying 90-100% usage of a core and really high memory usage. Hope this helps you out.
     
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    Yeah, I would think that comparing two different laptops (gaming and non-gaming) is a little unfair. And I have to admit that doing normal productivity tasks, even watching youtube, the laptop is dead silent. My only quirk is during heavy load or gaming, the fans are specially loud for a computer this size and considering the MaxQ technology.

    Regarding my audio setup, everything is in its default options, and even some Maxxaudio options turned off. I already checked the enhancement tab on the sound settings, at it doesn't have everything checked (meaning no enhancements on). However, the Maxxaudio app does a lot of post processing whether you want it or not. I was just wondering because my previous Dell XPS also had Maxxaudio but I never even noticed the process taking up CPU usage as now with this laptop. I don't have any crazy usage, however it irks me a little that such a mundane task is taking around 5% CPU usage when it shouldn't.

    For those of you wondering, the battery life is pretty good for this laptop. I am getting around 6 hours or maybe a little more doing productivity work (ultrabook stuff) nothing fancy, which is perfect for me. Only settings I have changed is the battery slider all the way to the left (battery saver) and undervolt of CPU and iGPU. This laptop already has speedshift enabled, so I see no point in using Throttlestop, specially since I am observing much better battery life using the battery slider feature to control performance and battery, than with Throttlestop.
     
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    As a brief point of interest I ran firestrike for my GL702VM and got a score of 9179, so compared to the Dell 7577 the difference is only around 10% (8307). Given that the Asus has an i7 6700hq and a full GTX 1060 this is actually pretty impressive for the Dell with an i5 7300hq and max-q 1060 IMO.

    Of course neither score is particularly impressive given some of the systems posters own around here!
     
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    Is anyone else dealing with stutters and general displeasing bits of lag in the OS on a clean install here and there? I'm still begrudgingly not liking Windows 10 despite some of its nice additions. When I click file explorer to bring up a new window to seek a file or folder, it just seems like it takes way too long considering I have SSDs on both ends in my machine on a clean install... My old laptop on Windows 7 with a traditional HDD is much snappier than this Windows 10 so far... Maybe I need to disable some of the fluffy windows animations or 'recent' file features? Also when typing, my : 's keep showing up missing... I can't decide if this is a keyboard issue (it seems fine otherwise) or a software / firmware quirk getting in the way... but it is too annoying and important to ignore for the sake of a new computer. It is really messing me up when typing code... Anyone else notice : 's going missing when using " RIGHT SHIFT + ; " to make them?
     
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    I don't know about the keyboard problem. But my OS seems snappy enough with me. Pretty good actually. About the lag in File Explorer, you can go to Nvidia Control Panel, go to the desktop tab, and uncheck "Add Run with graphics processor to context menu". That did the trick for me. GL.
     
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    I'm having the same impression about the slight "laziness" of the os. I'm not on a clean install, but I can notice a slight delay when I click on file explorer compared to the snappiness of my desktop (a 7 y/o system with a 120gb 850evo running on sata 2 ports).
    By the way, the display on my unit has some very bad colours, especially the greens (they are not vibrant at all, the classic lime green looks like the olive). Did someone try to calibrate it and notice some improvements?
     
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    I will give the context removal a try but it seems like that shouldn't be an issue on an SSD-only machine of this caliber. I am still looking into lots of things. I am wondering if it is related to all the networked drive functions and file sharing services that run in the background. My Windows 7 install on my old machine is a custom "Performance" build with tons of the junk and unnecessary services stripped out of it. I never cared much for all the Windows-dumbery that M$ thinks we need nor do I ever rely on OS level file sharing and similar options.


    My greens seem a little dull but idk if I would call it 'olive' but I did have to adjust a purple-ish blue-ish color I use in my coding app to be a little bit lighter so I could see it. Never had to mess with that on my other machine. Either way, I'm not really the one to talk colors, since I don't care too much overall about that sort of stuff. I also have no clue how to calibrate colors aside from personal preference. lol
     
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    Also, I managed to grab the two Dell Powermanager v3.0 folders from the Windows Store Apps directory from the factory install I cloned and tucked away. I copied them into my current Windows App folder but I'm not sure how to trigger a rebuild of the app store library or how to potentially be able to actually use them... Still looking into it. As for my : colon : key issue, it seems to be the keyboard/key itself unfortunately it happens when pressing on the right half of the key and not head-on straight down in the center of it. I compared it to other keys and it is definitely partially faulty compared to edge/light presses on all my other keys. There is a clear press happening but it doesnt register if the pressure is too light or the finger is on the edge. Pretty disappointed and sad I will likely have to send this back to get it addressed (and likely will receive another refurbed machine in return).
     
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    Another review is up for those interested and it's pretty favourable:

    https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/dell-inspiron-15-7000-gaming

    The reviewer is clearly wrong about the RAM (I have 32GB installed in mine, no problem) and his keyboard observations are fairly subjective (I have no problems using it at all), but I think he got most of the important things right.
     
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    Probably with a reinstall without all the Dell bloat. It also might be performance profiles and core parking and various C states. I use Throttlestop which helped abit but a fresh install would probably do the trick.
     
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    "Dell's gaming laptop ran the Rise of the Tomb Raider benchmark at 31 fps on very high settings at 1080p, falling just below the mainstream average of 35 fps. The Legion, with a 1050 Ti, rendered at 46 fps, and the Predator, with a regular 1060, ran at 67 fps. The Strix, with its 1050, can't handle Tomb Raider at those settings, but on our budget version at high and medium settings, the game ran at 44 fps"

    Rubbish. mine 7577 it never drop under 60fps with very high settings.
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dell-inspirion-7577.808514/page-26#post-10622318
     
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    Sounds like they didn't have it plugged in or something stupid...
     
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    UPDATE:

    For those of us who did a fresh Windows 10 install and wish to retain Dell Power Manager v 3.0.81.0 that came on the factory install, I have managed to get mine working relatively easily.

    PROCEDURE:

    I basically used this guide here:

    http://www.fixedbyvonnie.com/2013/12/where-are-apps-in-the-windows-store-installed/

    To figure out the process of gaining access to the folders.
    Next I simply copied the 2 Dell Power Manager v3 folders from my factory disk image that I copied to the 1TB 5400 RPM HDD before removing it.
    Repeat the process once more to gain access to your current (CLEAN) install's C:\Program Files\WindowsApps folder and paste the 2 Dell Power Manager v3 folders into it.

    My two Dell Power Manager v3 folders are named:

    DellInc.DellPowerManager_3.0.81.0_neutral_~_htrsf667h5kn2

    DellInc.DellPowerManager_3.0.81.0_x64__htrsf667h5kn2

    Once the folders are in place go into the ..._x64 DPM folder then go into the Main folder and you will find the DellPowerManager.exe file you can execute to run the app.

    NOTES:
    When I ran the DellPowerManager.exe APP it kept wanting me to install the Dell Power Manager SERVICE (even though I already had it installed prior to copying the Windows Store Dell Power Manager APP as detailed above) so I re-installed ( using the "repair" option since it was already installed) the Dell Power Manager SERVICE (AKA: The DPM file offered for our machine on Dell's website under the Downloads and Drivers section) and then re-executed the DPM APP and the APP didn't complain about the SERVICE again.

    Hopefully this makes sense to those interested in getting this silly app back. My main motivation in getting it back was to preserve the lifespan of my battery since I leave my laptop plugged in 70% of the time.
     
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    Likely :D
    Btw maybe not properly stable 60fps,but on TR benchmark test i got 53-54 fps score with very high settings(max)....

    Thanks,,I will try that
     
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    Right-click Desktop Lag (SOLUTION) :

    Idk if any of you care, but it's the little things that drive me crazy...
    I determined that the " Intel Graphics Right-Click Context Menu Module " is the cause.

    See this guide here:
    http://itechify.com/2015/09/14/how-to-fix-windows-10-desktop-right-click-lag-issue/

    to remove the two entries if it drives you crazy too.
    The 64-bit download of ShellExView is located here: https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shexview-x64.zip

    I included an image of the offending context menu listings.
     

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    Here's a video (terrible quality, sorry) about how long my laptop takes to open file explorer. Spoiler alert: about 3 seconds

    Please, let me know if yours do the same. I'm seriously considering doing a clean install
     
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    Mine isn't quite that bad, but it is similar... Never had to deal with any sort of micro-delays on Win7. Might just be a Windows 10 thing? I'm still looking into things, but homework beckons. I should check and see if there are windows animations that can be turned off.

    Also, my theory on why yours might be a touch worse (as mine was before I had dual SSDs) stems from Explorer querying your secondary HDD before it opens the window so it can use the results of that query in whatever explorer is trying to queue up to show you (AKA 'fluffy' features of modern OS's that I rarely or never use). The delay time on the HDD is significantly longer vs SSD (we are talking millilseconds and fractions of milliseconds here of course). A similar thing happens on fast computers with optical disk drives even if there is no disk in the drive, I can always hear my other laptop ping it at inopportune times and I know it adds a tiny tiny bit of unnecessary delay to whatever I am doing.
     
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    My desktop has windows 10, secondary older 3.5" 5400rpm drive and a 2.5" 5400rpm drive from my dad's old laptop as units D and E, all running on sata 2 yet I don't have a similar delay...
    Tonight I need the laptop for a skype interview, tomorrow morning I'll decide if a clean windows install is worth it
     
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    Since you are still on a factory install, could you do me a favor and press the Windows Key to search and type in System Information and tell me what it says for System SKU under the default (summary) page that it pops up to first? My system SKU on a clean Win10 install is: 0802 and I am guessing yours might be one of the following: 087C | 082A | 080D | 07E6 ? It's worth a shot at least.
     
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    I had the Right-click desktop lag... I did a clean W10 installation before, then a restoring full factory data (because clean install I did not solve it) ,finally I fixed. Maybe you can fix it only with factory reset from windows setting(need a lot of time)
     
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    I too have this lag issue and I came to know that it is because of NVIDIA Optimus issue , when i right click or click on battery , The system switches to dGPU and iGPU (You can see it using NvGPUStateViewer app) is caused lags , whenever i disable dGPU and from device manager the lag is gone , I will try your fix and let you know.
     
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    I have removed my dell factory image when i was doing clean install (Was that a mistake ? is there any way to get it back ? or is it needed at all ?) Can You please zip and upload those 2 files , so that i could try to install the same on my system .
     
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    None of the above, 07FA
     
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    I played COD- WWII for above an hour today and can see the GTX1060MQ continuously runs at ~1550MHZ with peak at 1620MHZ(for a small time) , with max temp around 73C So I guess these results are good for a 1060MQ card and should improve even more with slight overclock. Also while playing audio "WIndows Audio device Graph Isolation " uses around 3~4% CPU continuously. Is it related to MAXX AUDIO ?
     
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    Cool, thanks for saving me the trouble! I am trying to see if I can trick the Dell Power Manager APP into a proper install by editing the xml files associated with it that check for specific laptop and vendor codes.


    I will put my two folders up, hopefully they aren't specific to my machine. (I doubt it.) Somehow I managed to break my Windows Search function partially last night after uninstalling a program and then reinstalling it under a different partition and I spent a long time trying fixes before finally getting one that worked in the wee hours of the morning... I basically had to force a reinstall of Cortana (-_-) from scratch. In the process I learned a bit more about the Windows Store registration process and how to get it to recognize the Dell Power Manager APP as installed but I still couldn't run the Dell Power Manager APP natively without it throwing an error about wrong "parameters". Executing the .EXE located in the DPM..._x64 folder will still run the app but I'm not sure if it is 100% functional since it is not being executed from the base level natively in full.

    Sure, let me know. I went through all of my pink highlighted items in ShellExView and disabled them one at a time (a few are actually linked to one or more additional entries, and the Intel igfx module is one of the linked entries... disabling either one will disable both) and refreshed Explorer each time in between disabling an entry and it was 100% the Intel igfx context module in my case, plain as day. I can still access it from my tray so I don't mind leaving its context disabled.
     

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    Hi all,

    I am having an issue with my Dell Inspiron 15 7577, whereby when the charger is plugged in or out of the laptop and audio is being played through the speakers or headphones, the sound freezes/buzzes for a second or two. Also, in one case it happened that the screen glitched for that second also, meaning the display jumped around the screen slightly. I am noticing also that the sound quality is much different when plugged in to charge (better) compared to when its plugged out (not as good), this may be a simple fix but still something worth noting.

    I was in contact with Dell and they updated all the audio drivers for me to the latest versions and I also did a windows update too. However, still I have this issue. It may seem minor enough but don't want it ignore it as it may result in something further down the line.

    Anyone have this issue too or possibly know whats happening? Thanks in advance
     
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    I quite like the Dell Inspirion 7000 series laptops, they're almost like a successor line to the old y500/y510p Lenovo machines that my laptop is a part of. That said, I'm here to try and address the concerns some of you guys are having with your laptops.

    That should not be happening at all. I read some of your earlier posts as well and have to say that Windows 10 has been much snappier than that for me. In fact on my much older hardware and slower SATA m.2 SSD, my laptop is much more response than that. Even with all my usual programs open:



    If by the "full" Nvidia Control panel you mean all the options like I have here pictured below, I don't think you can get access to that.

    [​IMG]

    You see when a laptop has optimus, it runs everything through the iGPU and as such you get an Intel Control panel to handle all the screen options. The reason I have the "full" Nvidia Control panel is because my laptop completely disables the iGPU when the second Nvidia ultrabay card in physically in the laptop; SLI enabled or not. If I remove the ultrabay card for my blu ray player or HDD caddy, my iGPU is activated and I get the Intel Control with limited Nvidia Control panel like you guys. So you see it has nothing whatsoever to do with the screen, but the with software tweaks allowing the iGPU and Nvidia GPU to function together.
     
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    Hello everyone,

    I'm currently looking for a laptop and i'm hesitating between this 7577 and the lenovo y720, could you help me ?

    - How is the dell screen compared to the y720 ? From the few reviews i've seen they are about similar, I'm coming from an alienware 14 1080p IPS pannel, i don't really care about color accuracy, i am just looking for some okay contrasted display, I don't know if the change is going to be drastic.
    - How is the sound on the 7577 ? Is the lack of subwoofer really a letdown ? I've seen on D2D's review that the sound is precise but lacks bass where the Y720 has distorsion pretty quick and lacks accuracy. My Alienware sound is pretty crap i think except it's veryyyy loud and i don't care about loudness I just want a precise sound
    - How does the maxQ GPU hold on ? D2D and some people talk about frequencies at about 1500-1600~ (which is pretty close to the 1060 on the Y720), is this really true ?

    Thanks ! What choice would you be doing at my place ? I mean performance wise I don't really know what difference to expect between those 2 laptops, and I would like to use that laptop for university and gaming.
     
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    So I was watching numerous of explanatory info and I read some user about this, but i'm still confused. With hwinfo I cant find information about thunderbolt 3 and if has port with a x2 or x4 PCI bus.
    Where is the proper string\tie ? I find nothing about Thunderbolt 3..
    Maybe I need still any Dell's drivers? I have already installed Intel Thunderbolt Controller Driver (v16.3.61.275 ,A03).
    Want remember that I did a clean install to W10



    [​IMG]
     
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    I was undecided between y720 & 7577 before choosing the Dell..
    to answer here

    Similar display, not many difference. good for normal use, decent for gaming. It has inappropriate for professional working Photo\Video. imho
    Audio better on the Legion
    mine maxQ I getting about 10% less to performace than one my old gt72vr with 1060 6gb regular (but on many titles even less than 5%). Not bad
    7577 wins on temps, weight, sober design, and it easy upgradable because there is just one screw to removing the bottom panel,and without "colored"screws or warranty seals
     
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    It's 4x
     
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    Ok thanks. But where can I check it?
    I find nothing that can indicate as here :

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    I mean it literally says "PCI Express x4 Bus #3" and shows a current link width of 4x.
     
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    Im having the exact same issue. Did you manage to solve it?
    ty
     
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    I realize now that the image you posted may be from someone else's computer. You have to have something plugged into the thunderbolt connection to get it to show up in HWINFO. Trust me, I tested mine and it's 4x according to hwinfo.
     
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    Well,now I understand. thanks again
     
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    Just a few questions I have for anyone who has the 4k configuration. How good is the 4k screen for gaming at 1080p? What kinda battery life do you get from mixed usage activity? Also how is the response time of the display?
     
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  45. zev16

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    I did a clean windows installation, reinstalled all the drivers and the problem was still there. Then a friend of mine told me he had some similar issues with another notebook and it was geforce experience's fault (some bad behavior related to the optimus system). I used ddu, removed everything nvidia and the notebook was snappier than ever. But since shadowplay functions are useful for what I do, I will have to live with this slight delay (anyway I discovered that if I open directly a folder like downloads or documents the pc is still snappy, so this habit can be seen as a workaround)
     
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    I noticed exactly the same! Clean install from USB (windows 10 creation tool) solved the issue. But since I wanna capture PUBG videos I can't do without the driver. Sucks that I wiped my laptop to get to know this fact one day after haha. Back to reinstalling everything haha. Thanks for the input though.
     
  47. Maleko48

    Maleko48 Notebook Deity

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    HELPING OTHERS:
    To clarify what you speak of for myself and others, do you mean you used the Dell Driver Update tool and reverted back to Dell's latest NVIDIA driver they issued themselves?

    ***EDIT*** :
    THIS IS THE DDU @zev16 WAS REFERRING TO THAT I WAS PREVIOUSLY UNAWARE OF:
    https://www.wagnardsoft.com/content/display-driver-uninstaller-ddu-v17079-released

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    MY UNFORTUNATE DELL 7577 EXPERIENCE:

    I had to send my 7577 back to get a new keyboard unfortunately but my overall Win10 experience has been less than optimal. I was running into all sorts of quirks and snags with Windows 10 in general, but was not sure how much was me vs Win10 vs Dell 7577 hardware causing the issues.

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    WINDOWS 10 POWER PROFILES AND POWER SLIDER MALFUNCTIONS:
    All of my stock power plans except "Balanced" disappeared at some point soon after a clean install and could not be brought back no matter what I tried. When looking for their GUIDs in command, they were not showing up, however when I looked in my registry, I was able to see the 3 default stock power plans' GUIDs as well as my Process Lasso's non-stock "Highest Performance" power profile and the two non-stock "Power Saver" and "High Performance" power profiles I added manually as 'custom' plans that used their respective templates from the 'create your own power plan' wizard.

    After much searching and poking around, it seems there is somewhat of a consensus that a M$ update was to blame and that M$ is trying to get people away from switching power "profiles" and wants them to start using the power "slider" that is new to Win10 (coming from Win7 at least). It should be noted these issues are mostly specific to laptops and other mobile devices with built-in batteries that we want to last as long as possible. I didn't see anyone complaining running dedicated desktop hardware, so I assume they still use the old style power "profiles".

    Regardless of all that though, it seems there is still some sort of a bug that still exists on current versions of Win10 with the power "slider" feature that causes the slider to go missing if the user selected a power profile other than the default "balanced" and in some cases "power saver" profile.

    I was getting irritated because I have been trying to set up my Park Control and Process Lasso applications that normally do an excellent job of dynamic power "profile" switching based on various factors relevant to my use cases and normally they help me save a good deal of battery power. However, in this case I was noticing only 2 to 2.5 hour battery life due to the power profiles switching but the battery "slider" being left at wherever it was last set (I think).

    The whole damn thing is about as clear as mud and M$ did a **** job informing users of the fact that they were removing the other 2 default power plans. The end result is I don't feel in control of my own hardware, or like I am getting the best battery life out of my machine when I am well aware of how to tune it based on my use cases.

    This seems to be another classic M$ solution for "most" average / dumb users who have no clue and do not know any better. Nevermind the fact that I am not even sure if I am truly getting the best performance my machine has to offer with Windows trying to control all the details of my hardware for me. It's stuff like this that makes me want to go back to Win7 again.

    SEE HERE: https://superuser.com/questions/1260031/power-plans-disappeared-after-windows-10-fall-update-1709
    SEE HERE: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials...ns-default-settings-windows-10-a.html#option1
    SEE HERE: http://www.surfacetablethelp.com/20...skabr-on-windows-10-fall-creators-update.html
    SEE HERE: https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/fix-missing-battery-slider-in-windows-10/

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    DELL 7577 BATTERY LIFE CONCERNS:
    When I could get my power "slider" set to maximum battery life and the screen brightness to 50% my estimated battery life graph would tell me ~7.5 hours till empty, however with light use that realistically goes down a fair amount. However, I still think this machine can do better though if the hardware is dynamically controlled a bit using the 3rd party utilities I have come to know and love on Windows 7, but I could potentially be wrong on Win10... idk yet.
    The other issue I suspect playing a role in some of this is just all of the services, junk, frilly features, and 'dumb-user' automation that even a clean Win10 install comes with. When I can find the time I plan on gutting my services and startup as much as possible. A vanilla clean install seems to keep the CPU awake and processing little bits and pieces here and there too frequently for my likes. My old Win7 install would idle at 0-1% (and rarely blipped when not actively being used) after stripping all the BS out of the O/S and it allows the CPU to go into its lowest power/speed states much quicker and more frequently.

    QUESTION: Does anybody know what the slowest CPU speed the i7 7700HQ can throttle down to? I think the lowest I have seen a core hit was either ~800MHz or 1.07GHz (or somewhere in between there).
    ANSWER: 797MHz is in fact the lowest CPU speed using an 8x multiplier.
    SEE HERE:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/5uh6wo/fixing_your_dell_xps_cpu_stuck_at_minimum/

    IDEA:
    I started messing around with disabling 2 cores (and also HyperThreading which helps lower temps) for when I need maximum battery life. However, I believe I read somewhere recently that the newest generations of Intel CPUs can actually completely turn cores off now, without explicitly disabling them by using deeper sleep/power states. I may also toy around with disabling Turbo Boost when doing super light things such as internet browsing or listening to music to see if I can get any tangible gains.

    SEE HERE FOR MORE RELATING TO THIS LINE OF THINKING:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/47qczd/how_to_disable_intel_turbo_boost_to_improve/

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    WINDOWS 10 START BUTTON SEARCH FUNCTION FAILURE: I also managed to break my Windows start button search function and had to spend an entire night screwing around with that to get it working again. After trying a bunch of fixes that didn't work, the following finally did work...

    SEE HERE: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...arch-bar/c0bc8b3a-e474-443a-b27c-6234b1061360
    SEE HERE: https://www.urtech.ca/2016/08/solved-video-how-to-hard-reset-or-remove-cortana-in-windows-10/
    SEE HERE: https://superuser.com/questions/954...art-menu-program-index-database-in-windows-10

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    dGPU NOT SHUTTING COMPLETELY OFF WHEN NOT BEING USED: Also after downloading and installing MSI Afterburner I noticed my dGPU was constantly pinging on and off based on its temperature/usage graphs bouncing between 0 and ~30-40C instantaneous readings, despite not being used at the times I was looking at the graphs. I'm not sure if it was the Intel XTU application taking readings causing that or what, but I couldn't figure out how to stop it. My old laptop's dGPU sits idle at 0 when not in use, so I suspect there was something not right with it on my 7577's Win10 clean installation. After reading your reply above, I wonder if the driver thing is what was causing it to ping like that.

    dGPU HANGING IN ACTIVE STATE DUE TO WINDOWS STORE: I also caught the Windows Store using my dGPU unnecessarily for some reason despite my global NVIDIA settings set to use the integrated Intel GPU for everything by default unless I specifically set a program to use the NVIDIA dGPU. I ended up fixing this by opening Windows Store and turning off a Live Tiles setting as well as automatic app updating.

    SEE HERE: https://forums.geforce.com/default/...xe-system-settings-exe-hxmail-exe-gpu-usage-/

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    POTENTIAL BIOS ISSUE: I noticed when I disabled 2 of my 4 cores via the BIOS setting, the change went through fine and Win10 booted accordingly and displayed only 2 physical cores (along with their virtual cores if HT is also still on). However, after deciding to switch back to 4 full cores via the BIOS setting, several reboots later, I was still only booting with 2 cores showing. I actually ended up having to go into 'msconfig' and toggling the processor setting under the 'advanced' option to 2 cores, rebooting, then toggling back to 4 cores, and eventually it finally took and booted properly with all cores again. I should note when I say reboot I was actually doing 'shutdowns' and waiting 5-10 seconds before powering back up in between each attempt. Either way, I view this as a BIOS glitch likely on Dell's end, but I wouldn't preclude Windows 10 ****ery either.

    Has anyone else been fighting with these issues? lol Do you have any thoughts or comments to build on this?

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    I was running some brutal synthetic stress tests and my machine runs pretty hot and hits thermal throttles quicker than I would like (I have the i7 7700HQ here) so it got me thinking about mods like this one I pulled from custom90gt's signature that was done on the XPS (very similar configuration / layout).

    COOLING SYSTEM MODS: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...5-9560-kaby-lake.802345/page-12#post-10500419

    Does anybody have plans / knowledge / ambition to attempt something like this to improve cooling and performance further on our 7577's? I get excited thinking about this kind of stuff. I will likely wait at least a year until my factory warranty is completely over with before attempting it while at the same time getting to know my new hardware and its limits better. Unless of course, I come up with a bottom-panel-only mod that works without requiring a tear-down or any cutting to achieve results. I have a few simple prototype concepts I've been kicking around in my head already but would love to hear from others who are into this sort of stuff.
     
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  48. zev16

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    You could try running obs in the background with nvenc code, but you will have to record the whole session, it doesn't have "quick replay" functionalities

    edit: @Maleko48 I downloaded the drivers from nvidia website
     
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  49. vineetpratik01

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    You can right click on batter icon and go to windows mobility center and choose between PowerSaver , Balanced and Performance profiles once you select any of them they reappear at battery settings
     
  50. Maleko48

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    Thank you @vineetpratik01 I am certainly aware of this, the issues I described above outline deeper flaws than simply picking different profiles though.
     
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