*Official ASUS W90Vp Owners' Lounge*

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It's time to change your sig
(or at least amend it)

 

I'm guessing he means as possession is 9/10ths of the law you aren't really a W90 "owner" any more! The same thought flitted through what I laughingly call my mind...

 

Exactamundo!


Ok Striker, how about this then?

1st Officially Known "deprived" U.S. W90Vp-X1 Owner!

 

Ahh... but served with a writ of habeas corpus for the W90 you could not, in fact, comply so your ownership is at best intangible and therefore theoretical: you own the right to possess the good, there is no doubt, but not the good itself.

And yes this is totally irrelevant to anything so I'll quit now... .

(I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV!)

 

Well boys...turns out it wasn't my laptop on the front porch...it was my laptop cooler!!! Wheres my laptop?!? (*Weep, punch, yell*)

 

Has anyone ever had something like this happen to them? Honestly like I'm going nuts over here...and all I can do is send Newegg emails. What do you guys figure, am I screwed or is UPS/Purolator at fault for not getting a signature/falsifying delivery? Like I feel like the shipping company's are out to get me right now. Complete mind f*

 

hehehehe, why do I feel so smug.

Check out my new sig...no more W90/GT725/G71 wait, it will be here soon...

 

OK, this laptop got me REALLY interested, and for the most part I still am. I stumbled across this thread (site in general) while trying to come up with some benchmarks for it (there are still very few extensive reviews on the web) and after 3+ days of reading through 1767 posts there are a few things I've gathered. The first is from generally following the product, and not necessarily limited to information on this site.

ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 and ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4870 X2 are NOT the same video card(s). The first is the desktop card which runs GDDR5 VRAM. The second is the mobile card which runs GDDR3 VRAM but has the ability to support GDDR5 VRAM in the future. While somewhat vague and even slightly misleading ASUS has made this VERY CLEAR to those who have looked closely enough. That said, this laptop WAS advertised up until late Sunday 3/8 or possible even mid day Monday 3/9 WITH GDDR5 VRAM when they changed their listing (and highlighted it in red text) to Equipped with GDDR3 ATI CrossFire Solution. Unfortunately I didin't print the original page as it was out of stock at the time so I couldn't purchase the item. To me that is all the grounds needed for a Newegg return for false advertisement. I would imagine that information could be found on an original purchasers transaction record?

Now on to what's been posted here...

Of the people that have posted extensively, there are two people who have been frustrated with small issues but have had a somewhat successful experience with their first generation W90. Striker, who did a F9 factory reset and as advised by ASUS technical support, disabled (until the problem is resolved) the two items that were discovered to be the possible source of the problem, and has not rushed to upgrade ANYTHING that he has not been instructed to upgrade by ASUS. The second is Madmech. If I recall correctly, he did a fresh install with a Vista 64 disc BUT installed all drivers from the disc that came with his W90.

NO ONE else posting extensively has been patient enough to keep the ONLY APPROVED drivers for a BRAND NEW video card setup on their system. They are all rushing to upgrade to the 9.2 drivers (which ASUS specifically said NO to).

Unless I've missed something, both Striker and Madmech have had extremely stable systems under those circumstances, including the boot lock issue being "resolved" (temporarily) with the 2 software items disabled. I know Striker RMA'd his, I probably would as well if mine had become a the test dummy for ASUS technical support until they got their own test unit.

From all of my reading and research I am fairly confident that while the W90 may have been rushed a bit, a fairly solid set of drivers shipped with the system. While they may not be upgradeable at this time or allow for people to min/max the system to their own personal expectations, this system is EXTREMELY powerful and can be made to be extremely stable by disabling/removing a few things until they are fixed.

Now to me that sounds like an acceptable outcome for a brand new hardware/software configuration. I have no doubt that ASUS/ATI will provide the update we all want to see in a timely solution. Unfortunately for the time being that solution will not be timely for the people who have unsatisfying systems already at home, rather for the W90 community and the long term run it will have as a top end laptop. If the issue was as widespread as this thread makes it out to be don't you think the reviews on Newegg would just absolutely tank it??? It is the only place it's been available to date.

I appreciate all of the early adopters for taking the time to keep other owners and potential future owners informed. If I misread anything or mis-posted what I've gathered, I apologize, it's been a lot to read. Feel free to correct me on anything, I'd like to know if my perception is incorrect before I drop $2200 on this beast.

Thanks,

DC

PS First post!

 

After all, I continue not understanding how a video card directly derived from a desktop 4850,( wich struggles with GTX 260 192 ) can't decisely surpass a 9800M GTX with only 112 sp..
From what you guys said, there was someone who tested it with catalyst 9.2 but with wich results??

 

the gddr5 is up for grabs at the moment anyways...since they do a 1/5 down clock on it. so not sure how much of a performance gain you would even see if they did run them. (speculation of course)

 

up for grabs where? or do you mean up in the air?

GDDR3@850Mhz produces 1700Mhz worth of memory clock speeds
GDDR5@700Mhz produces 2100Mhz worth of memory clock speeds

So less is still more. Throw on that extra 512Mb of VRAM on each card and the 3D-epeen-Marks should gain at least 1-1.5K points on a single card.

 

Well, after reading 177 pages (no not in one day) I want to join the appreciation for the early adopters as stated by me010698 and made herewith my 1st ofiicial post here

I am also very interested in buying this laptop. I also believe this is really worth the money despite the difficulties described. I really hope Asus will use either other drivers or components in the european released model. Price here is starting about $ 2650 which is not something I spent every week on a lappie but I still believe it's definitly the best value for money compared to other machines.
As stated a few pages earlier the european (mainland) release will be the W90VP-UZ003K and is available form end of March. If everything goes well I might be the first dutch owner of a W90

 

An extra 512mb of ram won't do much for 3dmark06 due the relatively low resolution compared to when the framebuffer kicks in. You may see a difference in Vantage under High and Extreme settings though. But yeah it's been repeated a couple of times that GDDR5 is twice as effective as GDDR3, so whether the GDDR5 versions are clocked at 700mhz or 888mhz, it'll be much higher than the effective GDDR3 clocks (2800mhz and 3552mhz respectively). Although it seems like a lot, it'll translate to only about 5-10% performance improvement over GDDR3 at normal settings with the gap increasing as higher resolutions and AA are involved. Just a matter of if and when a system with at least one of these cards arrive.

Also, since we're having fun with signatures, bibsybob's sig should read "First official W90Vp-X1 Owner to post a gaming benchmark." haha

 

with all this high tech, they should be killing nvidia right about now...but they ain't. i sure hope gddr5 helps change that. and soon. getting close to me making a choice what to do next.

 

If Bibsybob gets that, I call the first 15k 3D score Lol!

No, but really, me010698, before it sold, mine ran solid with only one lockup incident using the F9 method straight out of the box, it gamed, it did everything (The Crysis benchmarks not working was *I think* a Steam problem) and it did it well.
I think NewEgg's legal has a statement about accidental listings and how they aren't at fault for a mis-advertised products, as someone pointed out before, but I don't remember.

 

speaking of scores..have any of you ran 3dmark06 @1920x1200/1920x1080/1680x1050 yet?

templesa:
which crysis benchmark tool are you using?

 

Crysis WARHEAD Benchmark Tool BETA
Was what I had been using. (Remember, I don't have the W90 to test it again sadly)
Though as I reported before, and I wish you guys could've seen it so you could believe me, was approx 18-22 FPS on 4xAA DX10 Textures and set to Enthusiast (Or whatever the top one was). 8x took it to unplayable. It seemed pretty steady, a little choppy and a little too low to be fully playable yet (I think 30FPS is necessary but it differs by person) but for some reason Steam also wouldn't download the x64 version, and kept giving me the 32 bit. I thought this might help bring the score up a little. The tests were run with OC'ing of CPU on.

 

nothing personal..warhead benchmark tools version 24 through 32 are very very iffy. it would have had to be done with version 1.05 to be valid. no mobile cards are beating out high end desktop cards just yet.

 

That's fine, like I said, I was hoping to get actual results, but I see where your coming from. That's not beating desktop cards though is it? I see people testing with 2500x1400 or whatever the monster resolution is with better results...
I thought desktop cards were already killing this game. And for all intents and purposes, isn't this card a desktop spec card?

 

that's 2 or 3 desktop cards are killing this game, not 1 card.

put it this way...would you rather have that card or a desktop card in your desktop computer? (4870m or 4870) since they are suppose to be the same..
im thinking you would go with the desktop card. why? it uses way more power than a mobile. so with this in mind...your mobile version doesn't have the power to run it like it's desktop counter part. one desktop card uses more watts than both your mobile cards put together.

 

I suppose. I forgot you could get dual 4870x2's.

Doesn't matter to me anyway, I've no longer got one
But, it does make sense.

 

yes,I agree.. but wouldn't you expect much more power from these 4870M ??
Let's say at least near a desktop 4850..

 

i wasn't even using the 4870x2 only the 4870 as the example.

oile:
i expect better than a gtx280, but that doesn't mean it's going to be so...lol

but i can wish right?

 

yes...but these cards have the numbers to do it!!! why they just don't perform as they could ??
only a driver matter??
I say this because I'm interested in ATi cards...

 

One somewhat unrelated question from me. The only concern from me regarding the W90 is that it may be overkill for what I will use it for. The only game I will really play on it for the foreseeable future is WoW which doesn't even utilize x-fire? What has drawn me to the W90 for the most part is the overall bang for the buck and the epeen extension it provides. Does anyone have an alternate Laptop that I should look into that may be less expensive and still give me 60FPS in everything Warcraft will throw at it (Raids, Wintergrasp, Dalaran, etc.) at a lower price point?

 

msi gt735(I wouldn;t recommend), XPS m1730 (with sli 9800gt), gateway fx series with upgraded CPU and sager 5797 with gtx 280m.

 

Look at the Asus G50VT-X5 from best buy. Cheapest G50VT model (1000) and still has a relatively high end video card. Resolution is lower, but hey, it's cheap, and it'll run WoW well.

Maybe even like a Clevo or something from xoticpc.com (Their 15.4" is pretty wicked specs for the price)

 

BTW it appears that the A1 is available at xoticpc.com with a 3% discount as long as you don't pay with a card in any way. It's also slightly customizable. With a Blue Ray drive (Read only) and an 80GB Intel X-25M SSD primary drive and 320 GB 7200 RPM secondary drive it's 2733.46 and they'll ship it to you free. Probably still overkill for me but the SSD boot drive makes this exactly what I wanted in my next PC. That's also with the Core 2 Quad Q9000 2.0GHz "Montevina" processor. Good luck upgrading that one, it's spendy. The QX9300 adds another $1147.

 

$2350 shipped with no tax!!! Xoticpc deal is better than newegg. It comes with Q9000 and 2x320gb 7200rpm hdds. Plus this one has blu-ray.

 

Unfortunately you can't "Downgrade" the CPU in the A1.

 

really? i get like 300 plus frames with sli

side note:
this epeen is really starting to sound really gay. just because people want their machines to be in the elite crowd has nothing to do with epeen or what ever. if that we're the case, everything in the world would be consider for an epeen contest
car
house
job
life
clothes
shoes
jewelry
and so on and so on and so on etc. etc. etc.

 

While this may still be overkill for me, what keeps me coming back is that EVERY time I keep looking at any other PC someone suggests, I add a few things I want (that the X1 already has) and I'm over $2000. I don't want to settle and save $500 when that $500 could have gotten me everything I want besides an SSD boot drive which at least can be added with the W90, most others can only house 1 drive. I have a feeling that when payday rolls around, I'm an owner.

 

That's why I'm asking. I'm currently playing on a stock Gateway MT6821 and getting 3-10 FPS when anything starts happening and I'm DONE with that. I don't want to lose mobility of a laptop so a desktop is out, so if I'm truly spending WAY too much with the X1, educate me. I do want at least a 17" monitor.

 

Get the gateway then. It has raid and it has a nice gpu. Add a nice CPU and you are a winner.

 

a gateway fx or the msi gt725 4850 (showing very good scores)or the whitebook dual 3870's(hard to get now)5793 with 9800m gts will run wow
and don't be fool by people constantly saying what is or isn't utilized by sli/crossfire...those we're the old days... allot more stuff is starting to use it. it may not run 100 percent super smooth yet, but it runs far better than one standard card (about 99 percent of the time)(since they fixed gta4 to run better using 2 cards)

but if you want to own people in wow...you better get a w90 something/clevo901c or a m980nu or any other dual card lappy. and a real high speed internet connection..lol. with high uploading speeds. that 128 upload will get you killed off fast in there as well.

 

I hear John is a Keyboard turner? Confirm/Deny??? Thanks for the help guys, I'm still lost as to which lappy to buy but considering I have another 8 days to figure it out, I think I'm in headed in the right direction. If what I was using now wasn't such a big POS for gaming, I think this would be easier, I'm trying to fix my problem with overkill.

 

that most of the time part comes with a lot of help from my friends here at nbr and around the world..

 

what gpu is in that laptop?

 

My current one??? None.

 

Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950<--- set the video memory to as high as it will go...might be 128 if your super lucky

 

Mine's the 945GM, minimum is 8MB, max is 256 but I can't find a place to specify a use amount. This is probably getting off track though.

 

haha, I wonder how far this W90 could OC a Q9000

 

Well, after looking at everything that's been suggested, I think I'll be going with the Gateway® P-7805u FX. I can eventually upgrade the CPU and add the SSD boot drive like I want, but I think it will do what I want VERY well. Thank you all with your input and help, I really do appreciate it.

Best of luck with your W90's, once they get things straight it will truly be a BEAST!!!

 

ggood choice. Congrats

 

Just confirmed my order about 10 mins ago.
With any luck it'll ship out today...

 

Not sure how many links you followed but it's $1149 at Best Buy and has been seen as low as $1049. Again, Thank you all for the help and best of luck with the W90's!!! I'm sure if I wasn't a husband and father I'd be an owner as well, just can't convince myself to spend double the money at this time. Even though the W90 is completely BADA$$!!!

 

yeah, don't know what that other guy was talking about, but that is good for around 2.6 to 3.0 ghz at least

just remember in the end...you will have a 9800m gts card. and it's not upgradable ever.

glad we could give you some insight.

 

Your doing just fine on your own striker

 

FYI: Looks like Newegg has more units in stock!

 

Getting this BD-ROM drive to go with my W90Vp : http://www.fazecomputers.net/servlet/the-71/CT10N/Detail