G1S 8600M GT vs F3SV-B1 8600M GS Benchmark

I don't think they make a 128 8600M GT...do they?

 

The memory module is added by the manufacturer. And a 128MB 8600GT is available. The refreshed MBP. I'd imagine it's a bit crippled, though. Even the 7700 could use more than 256MB. Still, it'd be better than a 8600GS.

 

Thanks for the help! =)

 

The 128mb MBP performs about 25-30% slower than the 256mb version, in Source games. I'd imagine the difference is even more pronounced in newer and or DX10 games.

 

Thanks Sesh, rep up =)

 

Am I missing something here..if the ram runs paired mode how are you putting in 3GB of ram? Are you saying that adding 1 more GB of ram outweighs having the ram run in paired mode?

 

Yes, dual-channel ram has little or no effect on the performance of a computer, but adding 1gb has a huge effect. Quantity is almost always better than quality, in terms of ram. The only exception might be the new low latency 667mhz DDR2 ram, which is supposed to be extremely fast running in dual-channel.

 

Can anyone comment on the actual gaming experience with the 8600m GT compared to the 7700 go?

 

Based on the benchmarks on the last two or three pages, I would say there is about a performance double between the two models.

 

Armed Assault Demo

G1S
2GB RAM
160GB 5400rpm on eSATA
Stock driver no overclock:







I guess the video settings are too high.

 

What is armed assault? The graphics in it look pretty cruddy to be taxing the G1S, is it an indie game or something? Possibly a big memory leak?

EDIT: I looked at the website, looks like there is a ton of detail (spinning blades, AF, etc.) on objects, and not much cropping, so it is probably just filling up the memory and over taxing turbo-cache.

 

I never play it, the graphic looks like it's a very old game, the test was requested by emppapy.

 

Update: The site (or a some support offshoot of the site) specifically says that the game sucks on Vista. The recommended requirements are Windows XP (not "or above" or " or "/2000/Vista") so that could answer that.

 

From the official site?

 

Off topic:

Ken

Whats the update on the 7200 RPM 160 GB HD's for the G1s?

I have been waiting for a while.

I hope to get my laptop next week. Is this possible?

Thanks,

Jeff

 

This is on the KIL for the game.

Here are the Recommended Requirements

 

Coming this Thursday, thank you for your patience.

 

Thanks.

 

Thx Ken ! Well actually this game isn't a really pretty one, but it needs a very powerful comp.
Anyway even if the results could be disapointing, I'm not afraid because I can run it with an f3jp (X1700 graphic card) at med settings 1024*768 and I get around 20-30 fps.

Now I'm sure G1s will do way better
Thx again.

 

no problem.

 

FEAR DEMO

F3SV-B1
3GB RAM
160GB 5400rpm:











The F3SV-B1 with 3GB perform much better than G1S with 2GB RAM.

 

FEAR DEMO

G1S
3GB RAM
160GB 5400rpm on eSATA
Stock Driver no overclock:









Now the FPS gets double from 2GB of RAM to 3GB of RAM on G1S.

 

Impressive ! Maybe because of Vista...

 

needless to say, 3GB is must have.

 

Do you have 2x2GB sticks so you can test with 4GB too?

 

I want to do it but the pre-installed vista 32bit only reads 3GB.

 

Well you could still get about 500MB more. 3.5GB is the maximum Vista 32bit will detect I think. It would still give us an idea if 4GB and Vista 64bit might be worth it. If 3.5GB performce the same as 3GB then 4GB wont do any better either.

 

Okay, I'll do it again tomorrow with 4GB of RAM on Vista 32, the BIOS reads 4GB but only the Vista reads 3GB.

conclusion:
The GeForce 8600M GS with 3GB RAM performs better than 8600M GT with 2GB RAM according to the real world test, but 8600M GT performs even better with 3GB of RAM, the more RAM the better.

 

6 to 18% average increase in fps for desktop going from 2gb to 4gb of ram over an array of like 5 or 6 diffrent games. (vista x64)

Im supprised to see it effect a notebook as much tho.

 

Yes, so if you are going to get 3GB on F3SV then it's going to perform better than 2GB of RAM on G1S according to the real world test, but you get double FPS on G1S with 3GB of RAM.

 

Was kind of RAM did you use to update? As far as i know it should always be fitting the actual DIMMs... And does the G1s have a free slot or do you have to replace the actual DIMMs?

 

I use SODIMM not DIMM.
There are 2 RAM slots and it's filled up by 2X 1G so I have to pull one 1GB out and replace it with a 2GB.

 

right, of course SODIMM, sorry about that. Did you use a chip from the same manufacturer?

 

This is really quite interesting news! Would be great to see if this is Fear-specific, or if it holds true in other real-world tests?

Petrov.

 

Ken - how much does a 2GB module for the G1S cost?

Petrov.

 

So 3GB of ram in a G1S can double the performace compared with F3sv 3GB ram ?
did the tests on FEAR use 1400x1050 ? if yes its almost double more FPS on a G1S then F3sv (both with 3GB)

do u guys recomend 3gbs or 4GB dual channeL?

hope the G2S have the same performace

 

Wow, that's quite awesome. Looks like I'm in the market for a 2GB SO-DIMM (I've got a G1S here)

I'd be interested to see tests with 4 GB..if the performance increase as significant as 2GB->3GB then I'd consider getting a 64bit copy of Windows and 4GB RAM.

 

Thanks Ken.. Looks like investing in RAM was a good decision after all... I will be receiving my F3Sv in a couple of weeks.. Man, the wait's unbearable....

 

What about using readyboost? Think 2GB+ Readyboost will have similar results?

 

u dont need more than 512mb 4 readyboost 2 b effective on <1gb. Anything more than 1gb is unaffective
http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6167115/index.html

 

Just so that everyone understands...The big performance boost with the RAM increase has to do with Turbo Caching. It is the same as having a 512MB GFX card with 2GB system RAM (just about). with the 724 MB difference going to the performance losses of Turbo Cacheing itself and that DDR2 instead of GDDR3 takes some of the edge off. 512 card with 2GB of system Ram would probably perform about 2-5 percent better, roughly estimating and only if that.

 

I mixed the RAM, it's hard to find same chip with 2G and 1G.
The 1GB RAM is the one originally came with the laptop which is Nanya, the 2GB RAM I put in is the Micron, still run at dual-channel.

 

The performance boost is not FEAR specific, see this link the G1S with 2GB RAM on BF2 at 1400X1050:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=125246&page=29

And F3SV with 3GB on BF2 also at 1400X1050:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=125246&page=34

F3SV got better FPS with 3GB than the G1S with 2GB RAM, just like AlexOnFyre said, it's TurboCache.

 

Hmmm... I guess these results show that even the 8600M GS can use more than 256 MB of VRAM. Possibly, it could have benefited from 512MB dedicated.

 

I don't know but lets find out, I still have 3GB in F3SV so let's compare F3SV/3GB/No ITM with F3SV/3GB/1GB ITM.

This is the Intel full size ITM card with driver CD:


This is how it fits into the internal PCI Express slot, you need 2 screws which is not included so find the screws:


Install the drivers after booted to Windows:


Enable Ready Boost and reboot:


FEAR Demo setup:
F3SV-B1
Stock driver no overclock
3GB RAM
160GB 5400rpm
1GB ITM Card with ready boost enable








the result, No difference with or without the 1GB ITM Card. in 3D performance the system still take advantage with more system RAM with Turbo Cache.

With 3GB of system RAM the GeForce 8600M GS still perform faster than GeForce 8600M GT with 2GB of system RAM.

 

Was the boot time or anything like that different?

 

Not really, I don't see any different in boot time, but wait, let me try time the boot time with and without ready boost, will let you know in few minutes.

 

Ahh now it makes sense to me I just knew there was know way that a desktop getting 6% boost from 2 --> 4gb ram

Then a notebook getting 80-100% boost from 2 --> 3gb.

Turbo cache it is! its being emulated as gpu memory instead of system memory wich really is cool, wonder if desktops could get any advantage from the same tech.

Probably not somthing like a 700mb 8800gtx card but me with a 256mb 7800gtx and 2gb system ram it may just work.

 

They could, but it is more cost effective in a desktop to just buy a better GFX card...

 

You not gonna believe this and I can't explain why in real world test:

F3SV-B1 boot time:
3GB RAM
160GB 5400RPM
CPU T7500

Start time: press the power button
Stop time: Asus Splendid splash screen

Without 1GB ITM card: 1:02
With 1GB ITM card ready boost enable: 1:33