Asus ROG GL702ZC owners lounge

Quick thought of the night, I left my computer at the office... If someone sees this tonight, go into power management and set the cooling management to active on both, put the gaming center to auto and and put a load on the cpu... I think one of mine(on battery) was set to passive.. And I think we all notice a lack of automatic fan curve... I'll test tomorrow if no one does tonight.

 

If you update the ryzen drivers you will see another power management state called AMD balanced which is allot better then high performance mode from Windows, it's snapper in heavy workloads multitasking while rendering etc.


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Im actually running 'Ultimate Performance' Mode. I will try to update today/tonight to see if I notice any difference.

Edit:
Both my cooling settings were infact set to active.
Running the 'AMD Ryzen Balanced' now... maybe feels ok... This could be the updated drivers alone. But I was not able to keep heat under 80 with Auto Fan curve on my overclock.. So I am currently rerunning this program that ran last night... a couple of tweaked power options, 30% Fan boost, and dropped my OC to 3.2MHz... Im typing this right now with the slightest bit of lag while the CPU is 100% and 72-75* and some spikes to 78*. I was doing this last night as well, browsing around while my CPU was pinned and it hardly seems to slow down, it's actually very impressive....

 

i got my laptop back and it shuts down again after i stop the rendering. has anyone use this machine for long periods of full load on cpu? is it possible that all gl702zc`s have this same problem?
by the way i use it in a room with 30-35 degree celsius on a turned off! cool pad.

 

I will be printing off the first set of ducts overnight tonight. ANDDDD I will be making a revised version to fit to sucker fans. That way they can control an auto fan curve better than stock...

 

Hello,

I posted this same issues before, but no one got back, just getting concerned now whether i should RMA or return it as the issue keeps recurring and i think it's still within the 14 days. Basically the laptop is being very eratic in terms of reading the 1700 8 core cpu. Attached are Cinebench screen grabs (i;m getting scores of 236), which show that the CPU is not being 100% stressed. It has worked before fine - i've got normal scores - but things have changed now and sometimes it performs ok, other times (more so recently) i get this single score result. Can anyone suggest something that I can do to try and fix this?

 

Edit: It seems Ryzen Master was responsible. I reset the configurations, which prompted me to restart my system. Things are working now. Guess I have to be careful when using this utility.

 

Hello. Is this Gpu memory normal ? It is always 2000mhz. If not , how can i fix this ?

 

new bios update is available v305

https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/ROG-Strix-GL702ZC/HelpDesk_Download/

 

In the US BIOS 303 is the newest download available:

Version 303 2017/12/29 5.62 MBytes
BIOS 303
Optimize system performance
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/GL702ZCAS.303.zip

Can you please post the 305 download link and other info as above example for 303?

 

Version 3052018/07/205.62 MBytes

BIOS :305
Improve System Stability

https://ufile.io/ctyi0

i downloaded the zip file from
https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/ROG-Strix-GL702ZC/HelpDesk_Download/

 

Cool, thanks, and now it's showing up here in the US as well:

Version 305 2018/07/20 5.62 MBytes
BIOS :305
Improve System Stability
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/GamingNB/GL702ZC/GL702ZCAS305.zip

 

Anyone see a difference

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Thats a good question to ask before updating.

IDK about this update, but in the past with Asus laptops the "Improve System Stability" updates have often reduced performance, including dropping multiplier headroom for the CPU (Intel) and are done along the lines of giving lower heat at lower fan speeds to keep the quiet operation stable. For those of us that tune for higher fans and OC, this isn't desirable.

I recall one BIOS update that reduced multiplier OC, and even backing up to a previous BIOS didn't restore that 1x loss in multiplier headroom. So heads up, keep around a previous BIOS version(s) and benchmark to get an idea of your performance before / after the BIOS update.

 

Ok here are benchmarks

1. Before BIOS 305 : http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/9693395

2. After BIOS 305 : http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/9826958

 

Time to compare AGESA / microcode changes and see how my hack work compared, lol .

 

I've left it on Balanced - even gaming. Have I been doing it all wrong?

 

What problems, if any, do you experience w/o a pagefile? I hate the idea of my SSD getting rewritten over and over and over again. I need to get an additional 16 GB stick of RAM first. Then StoreMI.

 

do you see any difference in cup heat and fan speed?
i have got so many shutdowns due to overheating i guess. is there any hope that this update will fix my problem?

 

It's working like that even when pc is idling. Is it normal guys ? Anyone experienced this ?

 

I think what is happening is, since there is no iGPU all graphical processing gets done on the dGPU. Web-browsing, and even displaying the ROG Gaming Center, uses the dGPU. It's entirely normal.

 

I've never suffered a shutdown. I only overclocked it once and the temperatures were unacceptable. I also realized there was no point in overclocking. The R7 1700 chews through everything I've thrown at it. I do a fair bit of gaming and, after undervolting the GPU and using Radeon Chill in some/most games, I've had no issue with temps. Usually south of, or around, 80c. Ambient temperatures where I live in California was around 27c/81f today. BTW: Updated the BIOS today to 305. I've witnessed no change in temperatures.

 

You'll get out of memory dialog warnings usually first, or an app will not start or it will exit as you get near the end of memory.

If you have at least 8GB you should be ok - 16GB or more too, unless you use something like photoshop, or other photo / video editing program, those usually like a pagefile and lots of memory.

You'll need to try running without a pagefile to know for sure. I'd monitor memory usage with a dialog open to view while running.

Windows will still try to use more memory than it needs, and some apps too, so don't get too worried unless you get memory low warnings.

As far as moving the pagefile off of the SSD, I've tried moving the pagefile to the HDD, that can work ok in some circumstances, at least until low memory hits and paging starts and then it gets laggy.

Just don't have any important work open while testing.

 

Unlike the old days, Windows now tries to use the page file as little as possible. If you've got loads of RAM and aren't using it, Windows will both cache frequently used files, and it will minimise page file usage. I have 32GB RAM, and after an entire day of usage (games, Office 2016, etc), my memory breakdown looks something like:

- 5GB in use
- 15GB cached
... and a 500mb page file.

I'd leave it be.

 

Did you set it to 500MB manually, or is your pagefile allocation set to variable - system choosen - which is grown as needed? Did you check the pagefile.sys hidden file size? Disabling pagefile removes that file.

pagefile can still be used by applications, requiring size allocation greater than memory size would indicate, but you'll know if you need that.

Disabling an unused pagefile isn't going to hurt anything, and can recover space on the C drive, along with saving activation of the pagefile at boot time.

Each individual process, service, feature may on their own be a minor thing to take control over, but all of the configurable OS services - like indexing, VM, hibernation, monitoring and reporting services and scheduled reports, disabled and under your control make for a noticeable improvement when taken together.

Ignoring anything you can control in the OS leaves it open to abuse and lost hardware resources.

By disabling everything possible, I've controlled unexplained lag in games, unexplained CPU usage and system wakeup, and when I notice new resource usage I am not initiating I've knowledge of where and how to look for it's source, and disable that as well.

Windows Update is the king of interruptors, so don't forget about killing that sucker.

 

Can anyone tell if the new BIOS made adjustments to the fan(s) curve(s)?

 

I couldn't notice any difference. How can figure out new adjustments ?

 

It's set to variable (system chosen). My point was that given enough RAM the OS won't usually allocate an enormous page file and relentlessly write to it, such that he would have to worry about wear and tear.

I used to disable page file as well, but every now and then there are compatibility issues (usually with older programs). It's smart enough these days that it will rarely, if ever use it provided it can comfortably fit everything in RAM.

 

I just updated the bios to v305. Don't be dissapointed but it looks like it's only micro code update for cpuid 00800f11 from 14.07.2017 to 14.02.2018.
There is no zen+ microcode included.
I did not notice performance drop nor increase (avg. cb scores single 149 / multi 1407 are within 0,5% tolerance). I did not notice any fan curve modification or temperatures load/idle difference.
VGA bios did not change as well.

By the way i'm after second RMA (this time not because of fan).

I have some information about two mentioned before coolling systems too.
First one (with B350 heatpipe) is early engineering and marketing version. It was replaced by current version with only plate on top of B350.

To those of you who have 94C on load, can you give me your workload conditions? What was CPU fan speed? What was GPU temp and load?
I just tried with 30min. OCCT and it's impossible to have such cpu temperature with properly mounted radiator.
But i had such temperatures before.
You should realize that in this particular laptop, CPU fan speed is not dependent on CPU integrated temperature sensor directly (yes, i know how radically it looks like). There is another thermal sensor to manage fan. This thermal sensor is somehow connected to radiator and fan speed is dependent on this temperature. If radiator is mounted unproperly fan speeds are understated just because radiator is not hot.
I realized about that couple days ago, after second RMA... after which I wasn't (to put it mildly) happy , but finally everything is fine and i'm happy with asus reply.

I supposed some of you will begin discussion after my controversial opinion / post .

 

Windows 10 recently did an update and I believe after that my FPS in Overwatch went down terribly.. It's like molasses now - it lurches and slows down, the cycle keeps repeating. I guess it's to cover for that CPU bug, microsoft added something to the recent patch.. Considering going back to Win 8.1 or even 7 soon

 

The copper piping that conveys the high temperatures from the CPU and GPU is at the bottom of the laptop. Perhaps it would be possible to cut a window at the bottom of the laptop where the copper piping is, and connect that to either an external cooler (a CPU cooler perhaps), or some peltier solution.. Forget about selling the laptop afterwards tho

 

Yup, I've heard from a number of people that were "fine" with Windows 10 that have recently had this happen to them.

Spoiler: Windows 10's sad saga...

With the same response after several failed updates / re-installs trying to restore performance:
" Windows 10 - HELP!! - STOP this Crazy Thing!!"

All I can say is..." Welcome to the Party Pal!!..."
Everything is fine until that first dead body hits...
" Windows 10 - Falling Corpse Edition"

It's so sad, because it happens to most everyone, Windows 10 Update catastrophe's take a little longer to show up for some than others, so far it's hit everyone " with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season..."

Windows 10 for some immediately becomes intolerable - even before installing it - they can see the suffering around them. For many more the rolling tragedy that is Windows 10 is a slow burn over time - a drip, drip, drip of terrors that numbs the sufferer to their pain, and to the pain around them...

Windows 7 / 8.1 are much nicer to live with.

 

I fixed this. I don't know how but I've disabled a lot of services. Superfetch, win defender, SearchUI, gamedvr and more unnecessary services. I disabled those by regedit and gpedit.msc. Now It works stable, not stuck in 2000mhz memory when idling and no more strange fan noises. Additionally you can disable most of privacy settings (weather,map,location services etc.) Hopefully you all guys can fix this problem. Also you should switch your power settings to balanced when you are not playing games.


Seems nice

 

It is a nice feeling isn't it, having gone through everything you know what is running and needed and what you can disable to save resources and stop random load interruptions introducing lag.

With the nice side benefit of introducing stability and function, you've solved another problem with memory.

If you get a chance, please write this up and if you have a note for each item disabled, what it's used for, and why disabling it will help. If you don't know specifics, you've currently disabled it for experimentation, that's cool too.

Maybe if you go through it all again once more, note each change one at a time so you can look for the memory issue after each feature is disabled so you can find out which service or feature was breaking the memory.

 

Of course. I’ll try again with all services open tonight. I’ll notice you guys.

 

Hello guys,

I wanna buy a new laptop mostly for gaming (like 2-3 hours a day) but i wanna have some raw power for later (might come in handy in the years to come).
So, i wanna ask if you would recomand this laptop over the new i7 8th gen +nvidia 1060 from diferent brands (hp/dell/lenovo).
I was thinking to buy it with an extended 4 yrs warnity (heard the laptop dies after 3-4 months of intense use)

 

I think there are better laptops for gaming - the RX580 is, as someone here has said, a slightly gimped 1060. The CPU on the other hand is very powerful, but has low single core speed (compared to other laptops currently on offer). As a workstation it's maybe the best value laptop you can buy atm (imo) - it's a desktop cpu - but for gaming you don't need such a big machine. Plus the battery life is abysmal. I'd say an 8750h laptop would be fine - maybe that new Tong Fang laptop with a 144hz screen if you want to save a buck and have a pleasing looking (and light) machine - here's the spec - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/recoil-II-15/

 

i detest windows. every update robs me of more and more performance.

 

If you're comfortable with Linux it's worth having a look there. DXVK (DirectX > Vulkan translation layer) is making AAA games playable finally. I've been able to play Far Cry 5 at high detail with little to no performance loss in comparison to native, which considering DXVK is alpha/beta quality software is frankly incredible. AMD's open source GPU drivers are incredible and work out of the box too, unlike NVIDIA were you need proprietary binary drivers that can break on kernel upgrades.

 

Awesome to know. I've thought of Linux, but, you know, Direct X... Nice to hear there's a workaround. I had heard they were working on a thin, lightweight version of W10.

 

I still take the asus into consideration ( i want to buy it with my credit card and pay it in 12 months - i can't buy something outside of my country ). As far as i saw in benchmarks we are talking in about 10 fps +- from 1060, depending on the game. The 144hz monitor is a joke to me because the cards can't play games higher than 60 fps at max settings ( 580/1060) and i will use it mostly as a desktop (plugged in) so i don't really care about battery.

I was asking how much do you trust this laptop, do you think it will last 4-5 years ? Everywhere i ready about it, ppl tell that the laptop dies after about 3-4 months ... Would you recommend it after using it ? If you would have the money to buy another laptop, would you still buy it ?

Thank you,
Alex

 

Judging by your forum name I assume you are from Romania as am I, if you buy this laptop mostly for gaming your money's best spend elsewhere. If you wish to do some rendering maybe computing then this is a good beats of a laptop, my main useage is Cgi and zero gaming, and I don't think it will last 3-4 years when it comes to games demand, meaning even if you buy it and it never crashes or gets a component burned out, after 2 years this gpu will not be able to run AAA titles, even at high 1080p settings, not to mention Ultra etc.
This laptop should not be purchased without warranty and even then you should extend the warranty period for another 2 years or so. It comes down to you luck in having your laptop shipped from a good pile or the first rushed pile batch.
This laptop can support 144hz displays but you shouldn't if freesync is active, not all games can run on this laptop to 120+ fps, but some can and you will be able to enjoy a 144hz experience only on an external monitor.

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I absolutely LOVE this computer. I never use it on battery, so no issue there. Consider this a portable desktop; which is what it actually is. This thing is a BEAST! I run every game on ultra or very high at 60fps solid, or with Radeon Chill (40 - 60fps), which, with Freesync, is a seamless, butter-smooth wonder.

 

I'd like to know where did you get this info from. Could you share link?

I'm using it as "portable desktop" just like my previous computers.
For mobile use i have HP envy x360 with ryzen 5 2500u.

GL702ZC is really good for compiling and electronic CAD programs (I'm using it for these purposes). It is really good for all heavy multithreaded workloads.

I compared it in games with acer nitro 5 (7700hq+1050ti) some time ago and asus is incomparably better.

I think with new amd drivers rx580(laptop) is quite comparable with 1060(laptop) in most new titles. It is slower in almost all dx9 (GTA V) but it is faster in dx12 and a lot faster in vulcan (Wolfenstein).
You can easly boost single thread performance in older games by tweaking windows process scheduler:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/601828/how_the_windows_high_performance_mode_is_limiting/
After tweaking scheduler, CPU is almost all time in XFR mode (3750MHz) in "single" core usage (somehow it is working with up to 4 threads).

I'm also prety sure that there will be cpu upgrade option to zen2 if it will be compatible with AMD B350 chipset. It will not be provided by asus but by community. There is one guy who made microcode injection for zen+. I checked and it is not as difficult as you would think it is.
I will probably try to do it after warranty (warranty void isn't woth it).

There is couple problems with this computer (mine was two times on RMA for main board replace, each time for different fault).
Now it is everything OK.
But this is not common issue i think - I have two GL702ZC and second one wasn't on RMA.
Some of people reported critical CPU temperatures (95C) after long cpu workload.
I think it is problem with radiator mounting (i had this one too after RMA).

If you want to know how GL702ZC is performing in some specific title or program that I can provide, let me know i'll do some benchamarks.

 

Im sure I will open my computer up again to see how the radiators look... @meteeusz is there a diagram of the radiators as they should be installed as noted? Considering the heatpipes have to be removed to install ram, that would be nice As a PSA..

I'm running a undervolted clock today Temps are doing well. 3.5ghz at 1.1volts... Ran a program that was 100% cpu load for approx 15-20 min and it just hovered at 58-60*c.

 

By not properly mounted radiator I mean... not mounted at all . You should check screws of CPU radiator (are they tightened) if your CPU temps are critical.
I had this issue (94-95C on cpu workload with only 4200-4700rpm on cpu fan) with not tightened screws. After "repair" temperatures decreased by 20C and CPU fan now can work on full speed of 6000rpm.

If you are gonna dismantle radiator you will void your warranty! Be aware of that.

I'm also using +20% fan curve to avoid problems with overheating of B350 chipset. Previously fans were able to turn off completly on idle, now they are at 2300rpm on idle.
I did not OC CPU nor GPU.

 

Replacing RAM is then 'Dismantling the radiator'. And as of currently, I haven't found a way they could tell if I had or hadn't... maybe they can tell if the screws ever got tightened.
I just returned my warranty 702ZC that I replaced the thermal compound on.. again.. that would be a tough one for them to prove.. no tape removed to access screws.. both drives swapped.. it wouldn't even go back with any logs of ryzenmaster..

I'll probably crack mine open one more time before my California trip next week and apply new paste and or cut some holes under the fans for more air intake provided I can 3d print a set of vent covers so I'm not walking around with some ****ty holes in the bottom of it. I'm sure that will void the warranty too.

 

Hi everyone, great to join the GL702ZC owners club. I took delivery of the laptop today, and am impressed with how it is performing so far. It's still doing Windows updates at the moment, so I've barely had a chance to properly use it. As I enjoy tinkering with PC's/Laptops, I thought I'd take the bottom panel off before even booting it, just to see what type of SSD/RAM are being used in my unit. I unscrewed all screws, but the bottom panel wouldn't budge, even using a credit card to seperate the panels. Eventually, I gave up and thought I could do this another time instead. When taking the screws out, I noticed that the rear 2 are slightly shorter than the rest - However, I didn't notice that the side screws were slightly longer than the rest.

Guess what, I tried putting the side screws into the front holes, and I now have lovely dimpled areas on the palmrest! I am literally so upset it's not even funny, so angry at myself! To start with, the dimple was singular, on the left side. I ended up putting the longer screw into the rest of the front holes and making 4 dimples on the palmrest in total. To my surprise, it actually doesn't look too bad now. If you didn't know that it wasn't part of ASUS' design, you probably wouldn't know otherwise. But yeah, I'm still pretty pis**d

Anyway, time to get the latest Windows installed and have a play with this thing.

 

I too would love to see the link. I've had mine since February and have had zero problems, (except with Windows updates, of course). I've been impressed by the build quality and the design. The two pounds of copper heat pipes and dual radiators/fans really does the trick. I live in the S.F. Bay Area and it has been hot lately, still, no problems, especially with Radeon Chill/Freesync.

Getting ready to listen to AMD earnings conference call. Paid for this laptop with some of those profits. Maybe, In a few years I'll be able to buy a house will the rest of my AMD profits! Started buying at $3.33.

 

I dimpled my case trying to open it to check on a bad speaker. I RMA it and Asus sent me a new one within two days and I didn't even have to pay for shipping. I couldn't have been happier.