BGA only??, is it true?

The difference is you dont seem to mind used stuff. I really do not like buying stuff that others used. Anyway we both got our opinion about it

 

For those who have been wondering, i received the replacement lappy this wednesday, and so far my impression is very positive (where it matters anyway).

The 300 nits FHD Anti glare IPS panel looks beautiful, there is no yellow tint like the 220 nits on the r15, however there is one pixel that seems to be dead (particularly the green subpixel) so i'm gonna see whether i will get dell to fix it now or later once i've had some fun with it.

The warranty still hasn't shown up on the dell support site so i am still in the process of sorting that out.

As for the performance of the machine, i have not yet explored it as my internet connection is currently dropping constantly so i cant download a lot of things, but from what i've been able to try (guild wars 2, world of tanks, chivalry medieval warfare, natural selection 2) on high settings, the performance is astronomically higher than the 675m, the increase in shading power really shows and brings out a lot more visual beauty that i have been forced to lower or turn off before. Currently 965m, the temps also seem to be quite low with a high spike of 67 degrees, otherwise it floats around 56-61, take that figure with a pinch of salt however, because that test only lasted 20 minutes at best.

As for the processor (6700HQ) can't really see a difference in performance vs the 3720qm i had, 4 core clocks float around 3.0-3.2 when gaming, and the temps are at most (i.e the highest one of the cores has reached) was 89 celsius, other than that gaming temps seem to be around 70~85 without overclocks.

While idle the cpu temps float around 30~40 degrees depending on the background programs running, but that is still very cool compared to the old which idled at 50-60 and 85-95 when gaming.

Overall performance looks pretty promising, but i'll have to wait for an extended gaming session to see how the temps hold up.

Edit: i would like to point out that on both the old and new laptop i have used rubber stands to elevate the laptops about 1cm to allow for better heat dissipation and more airflow, as well as use Nvidia Inspector to limit fps to 55, this allows me to keep vsync turned off (so no screen tearing without it, nor input lag and drops to 30 fps with it), not to mention keeping gpu load low when there is no need for it to render so many frames (eg. 120 fps when looking at skybox vs 55 fps when looking at skybox).

 

@rinneh Do you remember I talked about that Dell should merge with Acer to you earlier (Dell should perhaps consider this strongly) http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/bga-only-is-it-true.783466/page-15#post-10149106 and http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/bga-only-is-it-true.783466/page-13#post-10145721 Maybe it's time now for this

 

Actually, it would be best for Acer to purchase Alienware away from Dell to build up the brand again.

Dell would just do to Acer what it did to Alienware...

 

Yes... You're absolutely right . But what do you think about the late 2015 line of Alienware's performance is under par with an Acer in benchmarks?

 

Umm lets see, benchmark scores can vary chip to chip, which means its 100% feasible that an alienware that benches a little low vs an acer that benches a little high with the same specs would account for the difference

 

Take a look at previously Aw15 reviews then you see the same trend. This is nothing new .

 

Dellstruction of the Alienware brand

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omg.... *lol* i should consider getting my acer aspire back from my gf's nephew

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Some small differences in the testscore? Can be a lucky draw with the chip, driver differences etc. Should that be a reason to buy a brand?

Acer did release a fairly well done laptop in that price point. I dont like the Acer brand but kudo's to them they could build it. The internals look cheap though.

But your post is entertaining. Always over reacting and over stating.

 

Maybe I should put it another way; Acer and Dell should collaborating on gaming laptops. Razer + Lenovo has begun as you know. Why not ? Cheap gaming laptops with medium performance can be a way to go as these OEMs don't want-make high end performance for enthusiasts.
I think this is a win win for both Acer and Alienware.
The new name will be ALIEN PREDATOR

 

LOL love that name!

 

Maybe BGA is a good thing the way Intel are heading with thinner substrate. Although likely would not apply the same pressure in the notebook.

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/88628-intel-skylake-cpus-bending-due-cooler-mount-pressure/

 

Surprising, pleasantly surprising

 

You are a funny guy. Medium performance? I have debunked that multiple times in this topic. In the meantime I am enjoying my AW15 with OC-ed CPU, OC-ed gpu and outpacing your machine

 

aint high enough for this thread



livin in a dream wooooorld... *hums along*

 

then do not post. contribute with facts instead of coming with childish crap. Go play with your "dark knight"

 

haters gonna hate *shrugs*

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LOL... that Dark Knight shreds it.

Getting beaten by an Acer... wow, it doesn't get any worse than that.

I feel like I need to puke now.

 

You and me both bro

 

Getting rekt by ACER, ROFLMAO !!!
Mr. Frank where is your AMA now ? I'd like to ask some serious questions ..?!

Really dissapointing, I waited so long to get an SLI successor for the M18x R2 Avenger Mark II, but Alas !! good things never last, all that name and fame that the brand built was so sophisticated and recognized by master OC enthusiasts and hardcore gamers alike went to oblivion and never coming back thanks to BGA filth but that's only 1/4 the Dell messed it up, Mr. Azor blew it up, he was a member of the Alienware since it's inception and now ? the case is all different the money hungry greedy corporation's filthy / shameless buisiness style is utmost disgraceful.

Such a brand it was and now where it stands, a million steps behind using / impersonating the brand it was and now it's just a bgaturd jokebook...Period.

These are facts, not opinions or wtvr. Accept the reality, even It's hard for us previous AW owners to believe such fate to this brand.

Spoiler: EDIT

Even after so many tries to enlighten people we get such backlash, this is known by all these BGA embracing corporations that world can run without any proper advertised performance / ony a few just care for the top of the line when investing $$$$ for their hobby, 95% of the people care for show. This is the real reason that corporates get what they want not what we want instead. The whole user centric way the world works is coming to an end, we get what they feed us, Only a few stand against this, we are proud to be those few & thanks to the great people and communities who make this possible..

Hail Clevo for their desktop class performance machines.

 

I expected much more from you. you definitely have credibility on this forum. But a few hundred points with different driver versions etc and call it beaten? If you run the benchmark multiple times in a row you even see almost the same amount of variation in scoring. You should know better.

Its ridiculous to give a laptop a name like "the dark knight".....But its hardly a laptop. even when idling it struggles to get 2 hours on a battery.

 

Yeah, I think Mr. Fox needs to bear in mind that when he says he wants to puke he's talking about puking on many of his own Forum Members, who are happy alienware customers.

 

No matter what is said, for my specific use case any many others this is the best and only laptop they would ever need.

 

There are codenames to every product you use, and that's it. EOD, Period.

Alienware M18x - Avenger
M18x R2 - Avenger Mark II
AW17 - Ranger
AW18 - Viking
AW15, AW17 R2 all BGA names are called ECHO - An Echo left behind of the former Alienware.

So are Clevo's called - Phoenix, the best portable workstation in the world right now, Wingman the next best, then Batman 2.0, Batman (a.k.a The Dark Knight - this is capable of using the Broadwell 5775C which has huge potential to beat Skylake 6700K in cpu intensive gaming because of the hybrid huge L4 eDRAM cache)
And then there's this Panther a.k.a P570WM, you couldn't possibly know that old machine by any means, its capable of handling Xeon CPUs, Hexacore X class CPUs with an X79 Chipset which is capable of 27K 3DMarks where even desktops need proper expertise..and no owner of the Clevo machines / older AW machines expect battery / size & performance, it's just dumb, against the physics.

Score's are there infront of you, an AW 15R2 getting REKTD by Acer predator plus lowest quality IPS compared against the predecessors isn't that enough to accept the fact ?

Please go through tons of pages in that AW BGA forum people are bashing the brand for not including the correct PSU for 980Ms and the CPU getting downclocked due to TDP throttling, thats a mess by AW. Who wants to run a bench when the machine itself is broken and can't handle loads ??

That's how AW BGA owners get punished by AW for buying their crippled BGA filth !! Have a look at MSI's offerings despite BGA they bash these new AW machines to paste for a similar pricing bracket with MXM GPUs.

One more thing AW failed is at advertising, the new machines are M.2 right ? but the funny thing is those are not Pcie ssd ports and ASUS, MSI, Clevo all offer pcie SSD ports, that's a huge misleading quote from the AW, then for just removing the battery you'll have to dismantle the whole machine ?! Isn't that downgrade ?

They even used a desktop CPU when the AW18's fate was hanging by a thin thread after the 980Ms released and Clevos / MSI / ASUS jumping onto the 200-150W DT Class 980 select binned GPUs, and it was a typo, LOL. People who ordered the AW18+maxwell didn't even get the machine and now EOL, after 1 year ?
And now they are advertising the vRAM for the AW17 R3 to be 8GB which is only for MXM, time will tell how that unfolds...

Dell going private started all this and made the brand die sooner than expected, not limited to Alienware btw the Area51 is also a massive downgrade vs the predecessor, the Precision series, XPS died before it made to masses, the warranty.
It's ridicolous, everything associated with dell is a joke now.

 

More candy... The budget brand Medion Erazer also deliver better performance in 3Dmark11 and 3DMark than the modern AW15R2. I know this Medion is a 17" but both laptops run the same BGA hardware (i7-6700BGA + gtx980mBGA).

VS
AW 15R2 getting REKTD by Acer predator

@Ashtrix You forgot one essential thing; Customers who bought the Awbook with gtx980m + the weak 180w psu must still arguing with Dell support to get replaced this junk, with a more powerful 240W psu. Even Dell support knows that the 180w failing to deliver enough power. The newest AW models with gtx980m comes with 240W but DEll will not accept that the previous Aw models with similar hardware uses the same energy under load .
Can not wait to see the new eMachines gaming laptops come with a similar reviews from Notebookcheck.
@rinneh The battery capacity of AWbook vs ACbook is also quite similar
Almost like both those high end laptops from Dellienware and Acer are made by the same OEM. Maybe Dell and Acer cooperate as we know nothing about? But I'm not sure... Because Acer deliver better performance, LOL

 

the R3 would need to have a full redesign on the internals for it to fit the MXM. I also think that going to MXM it might provide better power as i think a BGA GPU would be quite limited to the what the motherboard has.

 

Mr Azor + Dellienware don't want MMX in their modern gaming laptops. He want BGA and a thinner design. Have you forgotten that?

 

how unfortunate. that would mean it would have to be a custom 8GB variant that's not official and the vbios would have to be modded also. though my thoughts are that it would perform worse than the MXM variant.

 

Dell already use the upgraded GTX 980mBGA with GDDR5 8GB on their AWbooks.
Performance is not the most important thing anymore for Dell... The main thing is that the newer gaming models are light/thin and very portable. Dell has this graphics amplifier lying for those who want better performance.

 

ah!

i still think the GA is a bit pointless when if you're willing to spend so much on a laptop + GA you may as well get a custom built PC for less. once you buy the GA it's no longer portable...maybe not physically but your habits will change and no way would i carry a GA.

 

Just buy a big bag to this G / A in addition to the one you already use for your laptop. You have two hands if you want to take it with you other places . But what's the point of buying a lighter/thinner gaming laptop if you must bring this amplifier in addition on the road?

 

i don't need a bad back

 

Rekt? no it scores a little bit better which can be variation in GPU's boost speeds and even temperature. So no. Its all within margin.

The rest I posted a lot of arguments with proof that a lot of users are overstating things in this topic. Not going to repeat it. Learn to read it, come with proper argumentation and proof.

and the names are childish. Sounds like kids that need to compensate something or play too much COD.

 

Those are the actual Dell internal names for those systems. We didn't just make them up (for the Dells, the Clevos are made up). It is akin to a 2005 BMW 325i actually being call "E46" or a 2008 Mercedes C300 being called a "W204"

It's an internal chassis code.

 

would have been better if the AW17R1 was called Batman instead of Ranger but can't win them all.

 

I believe he is referring to the names like crapple, turdware, aw book, and other idiotic names being tossed about.

The funny thing is that alienware has been a joke for so long and people are arguing over when it became a joke. Alienware has been a joke since they went mainstream in the early 2000s and to hear people making fun of current alienware owners while "remembering" the glory days of alienware is even more amusing.

Buy what you like and be happy with it. The vast majority of people don't replace their laptop parts, or want to resolder traces, or replace screens. So if someone wants to replace their laptop every couple years so as to maintain relevancy in current games then go ahead. If you want to keep your laptop for 6 years and keep replacing parts to maintain relevancy then go right ahead.

Alienware is just fine for modern gaming. Regardless of whether you think so or not they work just fine with many happy owners. You notice how it is the same 3-4 people using the same childish and idiotic names and arguments? Yea, the same people from 6 months ago still using the same childish and idiotic names.

I'm not even sure why I chimed in, I just spent the last 2 hours reading this soap opera and the only thing getting "rekted" here is my IQ.

Simple fact of the matter is the guy enjoys his alienware. Why you got to **** on him and keep trolling these threads is beyond me. Guess when you have the moderators jumping in and taking the side of the trolls you're not going to get much fairness or discipline.

 

Was just playing Assassins Creed Syndicate on my 17R2 on very high settings with 60fps locked last night, haters gonna haateee

 

Raidriar is correct, please do your research before spouting uninformed crap!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alienware

 

Posting benchmarks, relevant information regarding hardware, discussion of hardware and software limitations in enthusiast point of view - This is called comparing and debating not trolling mind you, this is how NBR works Vs the other forum where people say "Overclocking on Notebooks ? Get a desktop".. Have a look at NBRs petition / thread for nGreedia's OC lock.

This place tends to be home for true enthusiasts for uncompromised performance, optimizations, being smart while purchasing, learning about how things work.If one can't contemplate about the nature of NBR and the discussion threads - weighing advantages and disadvantages, then there is no need for an induvidual to be a part of it or discriminating the thread.

EOD.

 

This thread moved way past discussion into personal insults, derision, and beratement.

This thread was never about the "discussion" it turned into. The OP has stated he received his new alienware and is currently happy with it and is offering him a much better experience then his previous laptop.

This thread turned into another bga is crap and you're an idiot if you think otherwise thread. The only one posting benchmarks is the one in favor of the alienware. You have a couple people berating him and not posting anything other canned responses.

I really want to see the dude post his benchmarks with the 680m claiming his 5 year old alienware is better than the new 2015 with a 980m. There are a few other outlandish claims that I want to see some benchmarks on but I'm guessing it isn't going to happen because the trolls are more happy being forum warriors than being in an honest and open discussion.

 

lol, whenever i need a good laugh these days i pop into this thread and do a lil drive by comment on jokebooks, turdbooks aw bga crap and off i go, haters gonna haaaaate *rofl*

oh btw @Dilanio the dude with the 5yr old alienware is sporting a 970m and if u check youtube u can watch videos of side to side benchmark comparisons where the current aw 970m machine is actually beaten by the m15x

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At first the thread was funny with some decent information, then it just became a train wreck I couldn't stop reading.

And jaybee as cool as it may be, the guy has a 980m so you point is... Oh yea, you're just stirring the pot. No clue why I'm in here white Knighting the alienware.

Glad a couple of you guys enjoy your laptops. My sager has been in the shop for a month now and I'm really regretting my purchase. We'll see how xotic handles the delay this time.

 

thats right@stirring the pot, love my cooking

sorry to hear about ur machine troubles mate, as far as ive heard based on reports here u should be in good hands though with xoticpc...

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Your cooking is pretty good!

 

I think this thread has run its course, needs to be locked.

 

The 5 year old Alienware beats the brand new Alienware models shipping now...

...but does it beat the Acer Predator??

 

Congratulations on getting your replacement laptop from Alienware, and it's nice to see you are happy with it.

 

Source, because i find this very doubtful. Because i cant find m.

I hope you are not referring to this youtube video



which compares an 970m m15x laptop again st 965m aw15. Which is ofcourse not a fair comparison, especially when the cpu is an i5 dual core in the AW15 versus a quadcore. Do this again versus an AW15 970M laptop and it will be a whole different story.