BGA only??, is it true?

M15x is 4.5 KG with 150W slim brick

1.5KG extra !! It's a man's laptop I am sure most men have the strength to lift an extra 1.5KG

Yes new Aw(ful)book's will arrive with Pascal no doubt. Then the old Maxwell 15s get trashed. Fantastic for the environment.

Your comment just reinforces my point that you guys with the machine will buy a new machine when it's barely 2 years old....because? Well we all know the answer.

 

150watt is not enough to even power the AW15

and i was talking about anothe rlaptop. 4.5kg is still too heavy in my opinion. But i carry my laptop daily. 2.5hours a day while commuting from home to the office and back. I also fly multiple times to Asia a year. You might understand my thinking behind these laptops a bit more now

Yeah its a waste to get rid of a laptop after 2 or 3 years. Thats not only because of pure specs. The rest isnt being upgraded. New screen panels with better proporties, fresh battery, new fans and also new technology such as thunderbolt etc. MXM cards are jsut too expensive here as well for what you get. 400euro for a 970m? That is crazy in my opinion.

 

150Wx2 for gaming single for transportation.

msata is possible with modding in the M15x and so is 4k. Who cares for thunderbolt New fans also possible as I will demonstrate shortly.

As for upgrading the MXM card you have to be clever with timing and be patient. Keeps costs down and sometimes even free to upgrade through trades..

So basically you can upgrade more than you think. Difficult when the machine is soldered and sealed though..

 

ofcourse you can new fans, but in the end all the parts you need to change to get it back up to date is the price of a new laptop. I love to tinker with my desktops, with laptops not so much due to the prices. Logical ofcourse considering the smaller market. But if i want a machine with a 970M, I want it now and not wait till i see a MXM somewhere for a nice price.

 

I am currently refreshing the M15x. New heatsinks, fans (2 originals and 2 for modding), access panel, 500GB 850 EVO, 16GB ram, 150W slim x 2 PSU, and some other small bits the total cost including shipping of these parts comes in at 600 dollars. The 680M and old SSD, ram PSU etc will go for sale cutting that in half to about 300 dollars.

Then factor in a new GPU at say 500 dollars. 800 dollars total. Try to buy a modern 15" laptop with the same specs and performance for 800 dollars...

......let's see on ebay I see a used 15 for 900 dollars with mediocre 965M and 8GB ram and a piss poor i5 4210! Not even an i7.

You have to admit you are wrong. Buying a new laptop does not work out cheaper if you actually want performance that will outclass an older upgraded laptop. If I were to put a 970M inside right now I would be fully configured at 700 dollars man

 

i have to admit nothing, who would spend for example a 680m these days? I wouldnt even pay 100bucks for it. You still have your old battery, still an old screen etc. Fine that it is okay for you. For me it isnt. The jumps i saw in screen quality as a designer are enormous the past 8 years every 2 years. With ever part accounted for the price is becoming quite high to upgrade. While you machine is much biiger as well.

500 for a new gpu is btw in my opinion not worth it, in this class. For that money I expect a fullsize 980 which isnt even available now.

 

I quote fact while you are entitled to your own opinions.

I wont sell my 680m to you dont worry one last thing the alienware 15 weighs 3.2 kg without the brick. That makes it a bare 1kg lighter than the M15x not much lighter really...

 

congratz, your 980Ti egpu system is on par with a clevo p870dm sporting a 980 (without Ti and stock clocks ) internal gpu system

people defending BGA turdware, unbelieveable...

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your position is entirely indefensible in terms of people who have purchased one of these systems, nearly insulting, this type of comment divides the community

 

well what can i say? the truth hurts sometimes

btw, commuting, no matter how many hours, and taking flights to asia....seriously? that basically means ur laptop sits next to you or in the baggage compartment above you the whole time, so it doesnt matter how much it weighs...

sooo, how about going to work and everywhere else using the bicycle? taking my dark knight everywhere with me, proud 3.5kg + massive psu, no problems whatsoever naturally, it helps to stay in good shape and do sports every once in a while, but yeah, i get that many "guys" out there just arent made for real performance laptops....their poor little backs!

aight, nuff teasing back to pumping some iron here at the gym

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sorry I may have taken out my frustration in that one comment, I just feel like we should not be so divided based on what is available

 

Dont make assumptions you cannot make. I take the bicycle everyday for 40 minutes total to get to and from the station, i walk between stations and offices for 30minutes a day, with my laptop.. The insults by the way....do not help your point. But yeah not everyone wants to be just a meathead annd with my shape is nothing wrong without hitting the gym, I come from a family which includes worldwide top athletes. Oh and when I travel, you think I go outside of my apartment, step directly into an airplane and arrive at my apartment in Japan right in front of the door?

Talk to you when you are like 60 years old, i rather preserve my back and not waste it.

Also, the 980TI in a GA performs better than a 980 in any laptop which is even performing lower than a desktop 970 (a bit). You do not lose 30 to 40% of the performance in a GA. The interface is a PCI express 3.0 4x interface which is the same speed as a 8x 2.0 interface. I have a sandy bridge sli system running at home with both on a pci express 2.0 8x slot ofcourse. You hardly lose any performance. The truth hurts sometimes

No not really there arent a lot of facts apart from the costs in your post. But neglecting all the other parts that costs as well which are renewed when buying a new laptop. Fine that you dont mind that, as I said. But not for me. 1kg is almost an extra ultrabook in my bag. So no not worth it.

 

This back and forth is pretty silly. I just wish Alienware had released a pga 15 not bga

 

ah well the real issue is that manufacturers are slowly but surely taking away choice from us enthusiasts. let the apple fanbois have their crapple laptops, let the dellienware fanbois have their beloved GA-powered bga-turdbooks, but of that means that soon we ALL have to jump on the thin & light wagon just because theres NOTHING ELSE AVaILABLE, well then thats just plain wrong...

how would u guys feel if ALL there was in the market were 10kg laptops with 500W 2kg psus and like a total of 2-3 slim laptops worldwide?!

@rinneh: check ur numbers, i was talking about the 980, NOT the 980M and yes, a stock 980 in a p870dm or p775dm does indeed get the same 13k+ score in firestrike that that GA 980Ti does so yeah, laughable, really....

got another long day ahead of me tomorrow working on my PhD in biotechnology, so meathead out

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Fantastically well! I edited the weight for you to give the ideal

 

lol, psht @King of Interns, this wasnt directed at the likes of you, youre ruining my point here

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Well then it seems that you have at least doing a similar level of education as I have finished years ago.

And I hardly doubt a stock 980 in a laptop gets the same as a 980ti in a GA, well with the latest bios updates and drivers ofcourse. Because the previous ones where running at 4x 2.0.

But why constantly throwing insults like crapbooks, allienware turdbooks or whatever you want to name it. It really makes you look kinda like a typical dudebro in highschool that is trying to make a point without arguments. The Macbook pro;s are for their purpose oné of the best machines someone can buy, ultraportable productivity machines. Does that make them crap? Nope they just do not suit your needs. Just like your AW15 for example does not suit your needs.

I am all about choice for consumers but the market for these laptops are dying for a reason and people simply do not want these machines anymore. Too big to really be laptops, to underpowered to measure up aganst even mediocre desktops for twice the price. That is just how it is. They where great for their purpose and to tinker around with but keeping an ecosystem for these systems with this small of a market is bad business.

The only issue I have with this argument how some of you guys kinda insults others that want different laptops than you guys and highly, and I mean highly overstating "facts".

 

Legit statement we should all switch to desktops in the current climate

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Look up them facts rinneh. The full fat mobile 980 gets 40w headroom for overclocking. It can match the 980ti especially when it is tethered to a slightly crippling x8 pci connection and mediocre bga cpu.

Cant believe you think top end upgradeable laptops are underpowered....Mr Fox with his Alienware m18x with dual 780m routinely trounced high end desktop owners. 980M is even more impressive!

The market is dying because the likes of intel nvidia have a monopoly and are looking to cut costs universally by providing crap bga rubbish.

We are all consumers. Choice and competition in the marketplace is something EVERYBODY should fight for! Without it costs for us go up and quality goes down the toilet.

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Delete.

 

Did you feel the 1080P screen Dell upgraded to final Aw model was an big upgrade from last one from early 2015??? Read; Or rather See the photo


So you think also upgraded fans is very important reason why you want to upgrade? Maybe you don't clean your laptop inside? Difficult ? Not sure? These new Aw models must be dismantled completely as I remember. Innovative or better? Look at your hardware spec in your sig... Everything is ok but all your purchases deliver low performance. You want obviously the smallest and thinnest laptops for your use and not performanc. Then you have to make a compromise. Not everyone want performance in line with previous Acer / pacard Bell or eMachines as you want. None is equal. Thank goodness for that .

 

I have tested the GA myself. and no Mr Fox his laptop cannot come even close to my sli desktop with both gpu's 40% overclocked without even touching the voltage (2x 970s which will be replaced by 2 980ti's). The 980m can barely hold its own against a 970. The 780m is not even fast enough to hold its own against a desktop 680. Now these are facts. But I do not want to turn this into a pissing contest. You cannot deny the fact that laptops are underpowered to desktops. Which is logical, they are bigger.

The market isnt dying because cutting costs, it is dying people are not buying it anymore, the PC and laptop market have crashed because of the tablets. Also people are looking for convenience.

I do agree people need choice, but they cannot just give it away.

I do agree the new fhd panel is total ****, I have stated that in multiple topics as well, something seems to be up with the supply chain, MSI is dealing with the same issue. The UHD panels on the other hands are incredible and can be used for proper professional graphic design.

The systems in my signature, these are not all by the way just the last 4. For example the Vaio Z13 was one of the fastest laptops around except for gpu power in a laptop that only weighs 1.3kg, it had even a quad raid SSD option and thus offering the fastest storage available in any system. low performance? I do not think so. The Samsung laptop was chosen because the 9hour+ battery runtime. I jus tneeded it because at that time I was often away from a wall outlet. The Gigabyte though was powerful, same as the AW15 but had a too weak chassis so I consider that one of the worst laptops I ever bought and thus returned it. THe only better laptops than the AW15 laptops are the much bigger laptops that offer SLI or a single 980 (because 1 980 takes more space than the regular mxm boards it seems). Thus trading portability. Low performance? How does for example 80% of the performance to the best and thus biggest single gpu solution laptop which has a lot bigger footprint translate to the term low performance? Do you knwo what is low performance? a core m notebook.

Also, I was talking about the total package, not just fans, new battery, new screen, new technology (yes I care about thunderbolt), new keyboard etc. Ofcourse you can clean it but all these parts have a lifespan to begin with.

 

You have to excuse us. Alienware used to be a brand for enthusiasts.

Not any more as this conversation proves. I wont comment anymore because it is pointless.

You dont understand where we are coming from because you are simply not a laptop enthusiast. I am quite frankly saddened that the spread of BGA has bought this kind of "proud" Alienware owner into the mix. It's a total affront to everything the enthusiast community here has achieved. You are one of those that doesn't care what has been accomplished nor respect those that spent time and effort to do so and share with the community here.

Yet you proudly defend BGA products that were never necessary in the first place.

This is what made this community quite special!


Jaybee, papusan lets leave this thread and withdraw to where things make sense and where people have RESPECT for what has been done and GRATEFUL from what they can and have learned from the community here.

 

Respect has to be given for it to be earned, some of the users in this thread really lack some respect while discussing these products and are bordering insulting other users with a very arrogant aura around them.

I am a technology enthusiast, i have sold high end desktop systems with the highest end liquid cooling possible as a hobby next to my work, I litterarly grew up with technology and started coding while I was still a child. So I am sure I can considered quite the enthusiast. But for laptops I want to take them with me everyday. Finally Alienware came with laptops that are portable. Is it so hard to understand that people want this?

Fine that you do not want a BGA laptop, but constantly calling it crap, **** and overstating " facts" surely doesnt help the whole discussion and is bordering a ps4 vs xbox one fanboy discussion.

 

This says everything about the quality of the latest Aw models... Has seen similar several times over the last year now. Worse than before. Much worse. Throttlegate, Psugate, Raidgate and now screengate. Did I miss any? Definitely. It is possible to be unfortunate first time. Perhaps also the second time. But for the third time must also even Aw fanboys say that enough is enough. The product quality Dell has chosen for their newest so called high end products has become miserable. Wrong choices throughout the line.


@rinneh You want small thin lightweight laptops for traveling. Not high performance as some other. You can not have both. So simple is this. This is your choice, Great for you. But performance enthusiasts who want high performance in laptop design can't see Aw as a good choice anymore. Was it before but not anymore. End of story . Dell want to deliver very lightweight thin *gaming* laptops you can use when you travel. When you come home want Dell that you buy and use their G/A when you are on a fixed space. Not everyone agrees with such thinking. If the G/A from Dell will be the compensation for a more powerful graphics card <+200w> in their thin laptops I mean this is flawed thinking. Most performance enthusiasts can see that Dell has totally changed direction now. But that said; Some don't see this big change no matter what others say.
A pretty simple explanation from one of many Av owners. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...levo-lcd-panels.779449/page-299#post-10146998

 

@Papusan There were also cases like this with previous laptops.....as with any brand. I have not come across 1 laptop brand with a clean record unfortunately.

and again you come with the term high performance. Where is the big difference between our systems? You cpu is clocked higher, my gpu destroys your gpu. While my system is a much more light package. So what what part makes it high performance? It is a friggin laptop. High performance is a x99 system with a hexacore or octacore cpu. We are talking about systems with only minor performance differences. Seriously change your perspective of the words " high performance". The only laptops faster are the ones with 980m sli setups. Aka desktop replacements because they are twice the size. They are high performance laptops in their size class.

That is like saying a desktop workstation is not high performance because a fully tricked out workstation server is faster. But ofcourse it is also 4 times the size.

Also the screen problem is because of nvidia, just as AMD released a driver past week that kills gpu's due to fancontrol issues. Do you blame MSI or Asus for that when it happens? Its becoming hilarious. Buy a Clevo, enjoy it and dont come constantly complaining here with flawed reasoning.

 

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Eh? You surely made a mistake here! It's the other way around.

Quick feedback Rinneh...you still keep bringing up desktops during this discussion. You are aware this is a laptop forum? Sorry for the heavy sarcasm and all but hey!

There are many systems that far outperform your BGA aw(ful)book. These laptops also crucially can be overclocked to desktop levels of performance and not die...(don't use this to bring desktops into the conversation..please!)

Also as already stated many times any upgradeable machine including my own ancient M15x far outclass your machine for games or gpu reliant activities. Once Pascal arrives the soldered 980M in your laptop will not even hold a candle to the card that will go inside my old laptop. As for the GA you use that and you hardly can argue portability...

 

Again with your childish play on words regarding brandnames etc. If you make a conversation like that you do not deserve lot of respect. So in that case, respect must be a given before you will receive it back.

First of all, your laptop cannot cool a 200watt gpu like the 980 MXM version. If Pascal continues on the same path you are **** out of luck as well. You machne doesnt outperform mine in terms of gaming, hell a few pages back I came with proper benchmarks as proof. So unless you come with some proper proof to back up your statements, you can talk all you want but there is no substance. The only systems that perform current Alienwares are the much bigger laptops and than still only with a slight edge. Anything can perform better when you simply make it bigger and add "more" to it. So who are you or anyone else in this topic to state what is high performance or not? This is exactly my point and why I bring desktops to the table (because in the end, any laptop even the biggest clevo's cannot hold a candle to the performance of a desktop, yes mid range quad core systems it can). Saying a product is ****, low performance etc simply because it is smaller and performing marginally less is putting things way out of perspective and clouds the judgement of people that still need to research about the products they want to buy. It is a trade off, want to upgrade your laptop? Buy something else (and hope you can get compatible MXM cards because the current 980 doesnt even fit in every system, card doesnt have a standard size). Want something mor elight while still offering performance without the crappy noise levels? Get an AW15/17.

and no your alienware does not outclass mine in the current state. a 680m isnt even enough to run the latest AC game for example in fhd while I can run it on full HD with everything on high settings with a framerate between 45~55fps (got it vsynced on 48hz).

 

hey guys, fun story: just spent 100 bucks, upgraded my gf's 4 yr old dell vostro 13 incher with a quadcore (vs. her previous dual core), bam 90% more cpu power and 10% more gpu performance (shes got igpu only). admittedly, i needed to remove the whole mobo to do the upgrade, but hey... guess what the bga turdbooks cant do?

also ordered some nice 2133 mhz ram to boost her igpu another 30% or so vs. her current 1333 mhz setup.

good times with socketed hardware

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Why are you conveniently ignoring that I said "when i upgrade to pascal"

970m is half decent. 970m replacement will work fantastic and blow the 980m clean out of the water.

Where did i ever say i would stick a desktop 980 inside(doesnt fit anyway) or put the 680m against your 980m.

Your arguments are incredibly pointless and false...at least judge me on what i ACTUALLY say. Please!

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I'm kinda curious what you think a faster CPU in that machine can accomplish. I know you said 90% more CPU and 10% more GPU, but apart from benchmarking what good is it? The rest of the machine is still four years old and four years slow.

IMO, that's a waste of a hundred bucks (and counting).

 

Because in the end that is what you said "Also as already stated many times any upgradeable machine including my own ancient M15x far outclass your machine for games or gpu reliant activities.".

Or do you have a disclaimer that onyl after a gpu upgrade which is probably more than 8 months away with an ancient CPU. In the end you have to upgrade so much that people can buy a new laptop. Again my point by the way. Also disregarding my previous posts where I came with actual benchmarks and then accusing me of making false arguments?

The "desktop" 980 MXM is another point I made just to show you cannot always upgrade endlessly because they just changed the MXM board size of that card, something that papusan constantly fails to mention when pointing out that current upgradable Alienware systems cannot upgrade to such a card. Well there are only less than a handful of laptops that can fit that mxm board to begin with (maybe will be used for Pascal as well). But still bringing it as if it is a valid point in this whole discussion.

This whole discussion is really becoming pointless. Multiple times I came with proper arguments, with proof that the performance differences are very small and in the end I only see counter posts such as "Your crapplebook alienware sucks, bgashit cpu in your laptop gets destroyed to infinity by my 4 years old laptop~!". While that isnt even the point.

Upgrading is nice, but not with these prices
980M for 680usd (almost half with what i paid for a full AW15 laptop!) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nvidia-GeFo...491913?hash=item41a0d9a349:g:smoAAOSwp5JWU5Ae

980 for 1350usd http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-NVIDIA-...684725?hash=item1ea7b52235:g:8BkAAOSwAYtWMTGQ

 

What is most profitable for me and that gives best performance for each dollar? Buy a new Awbook with BGA Gtx980m or upgrade my Aw17R1 "Elitist" with a Gtx980M for $ 650 ? Will an AWbook with BGA gtx980m give +14500P in 3Dmark11 as my old Aw17 will provide with this upgrade? Or give +11000P in 3DMark11 physics score? Of course both laptops; BGA and "Elitist" model well Oc'd. So the question in the end; Do I get a better laptop that also give much better performance if I buy this BGA AWbook instead to use $ 650 at this upgrade? I know in any case the answer . But what about you @rinneh ? It's great with socket hardware when you know that a 3 or almost 4 year old "Elitist" laptop that can be upgraded with the latest GPU and run bench better than latest BGA turd. I know .

 

Read my previous replies. I can with benchmarks that contradict your numerbs many pages back. Also the arguments you are stuck with an old laptop chassis (with old parts) which many people do not want. So no in my opinion it is not more profitable.

 

Por favor. Wake up . You should test the search button in 3Dmark.com. Good luck.

 

To back my claims up for the like the 3rd time.

Wow such difference! (sarcasm) http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...technology=0&architecture=0&64bit=0&daysold=0

Overclocking excluded because too many unknown variables. Again performance differences at stock are very marginal. But I will run a benchmark specially for you later with overclocks. This is just the cpu performance alone since GPU performance is pretty much just equal on all machines. Currently running my gpu with a 200mhz overclock on core and 200mhz on memory with zero stability issues. CPU with all cores running steady on 3.8ghz and didnt do a repaste.From there I need a larger psu. People are buying these machines for gaming and there the differences are even smalle rsince it is heavily GPU reliant.

The only argument you can bring to the table is that you like to upgrade your laptop, which is totally fine. BGA has nothing to do with performance perse, it's just the way a cpu is mounted on the mainboard. So in the end, do you want to upgrade? Dont buy a BGA system. Not caring about upgrading? Perfectly fine to buy a BGA laptop. SImple as that. Pretty much done with this discussion.

 

There is an underlying consensus among those that support bga that 4 years old laptop is slow.

Real world speed is what matters. For most tasks real world an older well maintained and upgraded machine retains the real world performance of a new machine.

Benchmarks are just that. My 850 evo on sata II is just as "fast" as pci drives with three times the throughput.

Who cares if the rest is old when the rest doesnt actually matter....fact is my m15x will outlast the 15 like it has done other "superior" bga machines before it.

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You mistake some facts of past years. the only real differences between CPU's the past generations have only been efficiency and slightly higher performance. Do not misjudge that fact as if it is because you got an upgradable machine. Performance has been stagnant and this made even the sandy bridge architecture still very viable today. In real life the differences are even less and my old bga machines quadcore machines still perform wondefully except for their gpu's which are ofcourse old. So thank you for just supporting a large part of my previous arguments Because real life performance is what I have been saying in the beginning of this thread all along. Oh by the way, arent you already maxed out with your cpu? Sorry but with even real life performance it is lagging behind. The architecture is running on its last legs now and you cannot upgrade to more modenr architectures. So no your laptop will not last longer than the current AW15 series.

Personally for me it matters if the rest is not up to date. Like I said screen panels have been improved past years, you have to take that in account too (unfortunately the last R2 AW15 models have terrible fhc screen though, thank god for the igzo panel upgrades). It is fine that you do not mind the quality of the panel you are using. I do and I had laptop with the best panels in the business for past years and I still notice a lot of differences. But that might be just me as a designer.

 

You can keep anything running as long as you put time,money and effort into it.

Hell, ive got a '98 Ford explorer that got 300,000+ miles on it and its outlasted many of the "better" generations that have come after.

But just because its lasted longer doesn't make it faster, better or more advanced. But it gets me to point A to point B just like any new $30000 2015 explorer would so it all depends on your priorities and how you look at it I guess.

Eventually its time will come, as will your Alienware 15x's and youll be forced to get something else.

 

920xm is pretty much at its limit yes. Still good enough for a final round of upgrades though.



With decent ram and clocked close to 4ghz its no slouch and can still be aircooled. At these speeds in many instances i get the raw power of the better mobile sandy bridge chips.

Nehalem is an outstanding architecture. It has managed to stay relevant up until now! 7 years since it first came out.

As for cpu development being stagnant iam well aware of it. Thank god it wasnt a Bga machine huh otherwise all that potential would have gone to waste like numerous iterations of m14x since
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Overclocking excluded because too many unknown variables... Yeah. As for example; A laptop that is designed totally wrong... Such as use of a thin light design and in next step get problem such as a insufficient cooling. Buy a laptop that you can overclock your hardware. Pretty simple. Thicker laptops generally have better cooling (as some newer Clevo models and those nice old Aw models). You can't put a i7-6700K in a laptop such as AWbook, Applebook or Chromebook and overclock it to +4.7Ghz on all 4 cores. You also realize this?
Many of the the former Aw owners who like overclocking have removed from Dellienware as a brand that deliver products that it is worth buying. This is not surprising when you see what the reason is. See the pict

Dell should perhaps collaborate with a competitor such as Acer now so they can create world's thinnest gaming laptop series... Lenovo has already started cooperation with Razer. These two companies are teaming up on a new series of games focused PCs «Lenovo Razer Edition». Why can not Dell and Acer working together? They share the same philosophy about cheap gaming laptops. Perhaps AWACbook edition had been a great name for a possible new world' thinnest gaming laptop series from these two companies? Performance is not meant to be at highest level but the main thing is that these laptops are thin enough. Maybe the sales of Dell G/A bundled with a overpriced desktop graphics cards increases to a very high level in 2016/17. OEM manufacturers do not need to merge, just cooperate .

 

please detail "the rest" of the machine and how "slow" it is to me

ddr3-2133 is on par with ddr4-2400/2667 (far lower latencies), the now installed 2760qm beats the skylake bga turd cpu models and the installed 850 evo is among the top 5 sata ssd models. she also sports usb 3.0, soooo....yeah 100 bucks very well invested, definitely better than spending 2000 bucks on a new aw machine with crappy hardware

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The cooling is fine on the latest models.... how can a laptop be designed wrong for being portable?


you guys are unbelievable.

how old are you guys by the way? crapple, turd bga etc? Thaank you for entertaining me

 

Nice. I know you would like it

 

Jaybee, so that 850 is included in your budget of $100?

Nothing wrong with USB 3.0, and you make a good point. Only thing is, the USB 3.0 is FAR more important to the computer's overall speed than the new proc is! So yeah, the hundred bucks is wasted!

The new mobo has USB 3.1/Thunderbolt, support for PCIe SSDs and the proc and the DRAM subsys that you say you wouldn't spend $2,000 on, but are already approaching that on a machine that wouldn't be worth $100 at a swap meet--otherwise I'd sell my old one for that.

These machines depreciate rapidly, and more money into new parts can't reverse that. If you're getting more functionality out of an old machine, congratulations. But the new machines aren't crap, they're just something you say you don't want. So don't buy them. And maybe stop whining?

 

We are not spending much money Mr Green.

It is simple economics. The longer something lasts even if it requires some upgrading the cheaper it becomes over time.

You guys no doubt change up every two years. I change every 5 or more years.

Changing a few parts after a few years to enable a further couple years of top performance is far better value for money and far better for the environment.

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No you just do not mind using an underspecced computer. You are using a 5 year old laptop with 5 year old specs. You cant change up to a much better cpu, and your gpu will probably bottlenecked as well. Even a 2500k desktop sandy bridge bottlenecks a 970gtx slightly compared to the newest skylake i3 as demosntrated by digital foundry in one of their later comparison videos on youtube. I can ofcourse keep a machine for 4 years but I wouldn tbe happy with it. I want something new and more efficient. If you want to upgrade everything then it is more expensive than buying a new laptop (new screen, new keyboard, new battery, new fans, new gpu, new cpu).

 

Iam happy with it and no you dont understand my point.

I keep the machine so long that even after you factor in upgrades and the cost of a new machine after the 6 year period (m15x will likely stretch to 8) it is still vastly cheaper than replacing constantly.

Now yes there are decent advantages over the old m15x platform 2 years ago not so much. 4 years ago certainly not!

Simple economics. The longevity of nehalem cannot be denied. It is still fast enough when it ought to be totally obselete...

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I totally udnerstand your point and its cool you are happy with your machine. But you do not understand mine it seems. I bought my Alienware for 1500 euro including 2 years of warranty. I will keep it for 2 or 3 years and buy a new one. If I wished to upgrade everything I have to spend maybe even more. Also I love the battery life of newer machines but that is something I jsut personally wish for.

 

I bought my M15x for 400 euros. Already had the 920xm at the time. Sold two gpus to buy a 7970M and already had ram.

680M was a trade. SSD cost me. Total costs come in at about 600 euros and owned the machine for nearly 5 years. Now spending another 600 dollars to give it 2-3 more years life.

Yes I am happy with my choice yes you are happy with yours.

However while I spent 1200 dollars over a 7 year period you will have spent about 3000-5000 euros. BIG difference in price. More money spent than performance gained (IMHO).

So please don't say upgrading is more expensive anymore. It really doesn't have to be.